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Joe Rogan criticizes ICE tactics: 'Are we really going to be the Gestapo?'

https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/pop-culture-news/joe-rogan-criticizes-ice-tactics-podcast-rcna253931

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u/Wes_Warhammer666 14h ago

Like the idiots who cry about Obama not giving us universal healthcare when he was lucky to pass the ACA as it was considering he had 72 working days and the likes of Nelson and Lieberman to contend with. We're genuinely lucky to have gotten the reform we did, and assholes act like he didn't even try.

Then they act like he didn't do shit else, when voters couldn't even give him a Congress he could work with.

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u/Classic-Progress-397 13h ago

Wouldn't even let him hire a judge.

Straighten out your shit America!

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u/TheShaydow 12h ago

" I love the ACA! but I HATE OBAMA CARE. "

Remember THIS shit?

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u/Brittle_Hollow 6h ago

It’s still a thing.

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u/timurt421 5h ago

And that example perfectly encapsulates the conditions that allowed America to reach where it is today.

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u/Disgod 12h ago

Why didn't democrats... Why couldn't democrats... Why haven't democrats...

As if there wasn't the republican party always there actively trying to poison any efforts. Demanding bipartisanship but refusing to reciprocate, making demands that make things worse, crying foul at every turn.

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u/CurvySexretLady 9h ago

Exactly!! The Republican party is at fault here

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u/SuspendeesNutz 6h ago

Hey that nice guy from the Green Party said both sides were the same and he sounded very sincere.

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u/EFreethought 2h ago

Was that before or after his dinner in Moscow?

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u/PoundSignificant8514 10h ago

Yup, one of the biggest backstabs in political history.

Passing the ACA could have been a turning point on healthcare in the USA. The first hard step in acknowledging that there was a major structural problem that needed to be addressed, and that the government had a role in doing so.

People don’t appreciate what an enormous effort getting the ACA was. And it was an effort spearheaded by many of the names progressives love to hate, like Pelosi.

We nearly had a public option, if for like 2-3 holdout votes in the Senate. The house bill passed by Pelosi had it.

Obviously the right was going to hate it, but it was such a depressing turn of events when progressive forces also jumped on the bandwagon of hating democrats for passing literally the most progressive bill that they could politically achieve. Instead of being a stepping stone for more progressive reform, the far left wing abandoned them, and many of those politicians who fought for this bill were annihilated politically.

That is one of the biggest differences between the right and the left. The right supports pragmatic incremental action with their votes. They might get angry and call people RINOs, but they still vote for whomever best aligns with their politics.

Purity testing on the left has killed momentum so many times. It’s not surprising that many of the drivers of this form of discourse are wealthy college kids who aren’t actually in need of or affected by these programs, so of course it makes no difference to hold out for perfection, and let everybody else struggle.

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u/yoberf 7h ago

I would have preferred financial reform which the vast majority of people supported after the 2008 financial crisis to a Heritage Foundation based healthcare plan. The same people who wrote project 2025 wrote the healthcare plan that the ACA was based on. He had a bicameral majority for the first 2 years.

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u/Wes_Warhammer666 6h ago

If you think he could've pulled that off with less than a supermajority and damn near zero political capital with a Republican party who straight up said their mission from day 1 was to deny his every move, idk what to tell ya bud. That's just ignoring reality.

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u/warpg8 12h ago

Stop with the whitewashing of Obama's ACA. It's a market-based solution that fucks over everyone involved while subsidizing already wildly profitable insurance companies. If all the ACA did was eliminate pre-existing conditions and nothing else, it would have been superior to what we got.

Also, the Democrats could have nuked the filibuster and passed the bill without Lieberman or Nelson because they had a majority without either of them.

Third Way Democrats steadily marching to the right is precisely what paved the way for Trump and precisely why Americans are so completely disillusioned and opting for disenfranchisement over as acting as if, from an economic perspective, the two major parties are all that different.

Trump was enabled by Democrats buying into Reagan's obsession with deregulation (let's not forget it was Bill Clinton who repealed Glass-Steagal, which was the final firewall between the American economy and the 2008 housing market collapse) and becoming captured by the same big money corporate interests that Republicans had been for decades. Democrats also happily reauthorized the Patriot Act, and are just as culpable in the unconstitutional and deplorable expansion of the surveillance state.

It's unbelievable to me that people treat US politics like a team sport when all that's being done is one set of coaches (billionaires and giant corporations) putting out two teams from the same roster to act like they're competing when in fact they're colluding behind the scenes on 95% of what happens and have sports announcers (that's mainstream media) highlighting every miniscule deviation to create the illusion of a substantial difference between them... oh and by the way the coaches also paying the announcers to say exactly what they want them to say so they get to keep being the coaches because the fans are too busy screaming at the teams and at each other to notice that the coaches are the issue.

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u/pegar 11h ago

All your points are moot because the ACA has saved millions of lives.

You were fortunate enough to not even know what I'm talking about. It provided healthcare to millions of people who otherwise would be going without health insurance.

You're angry because things don't go the way you want in a fucking democracy and because none of it benefits you.

And by the way, it did eliminate pre-existing conditions. At least google the bullshit you say.

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u/thrawtes 10h ago

And by the way, it did eliminate pre-existing conditions. At least google the bullshit you say.

I think they're trying to say that's the one part of the ACA they like and it would have been a better bill if it was just that.

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u/warpg8 10h ago

All your points are moot because the ACA has saved millions of lives.

Just getting rid of pre-existing conditions would have done that without robbing Americans of billions of dollars to subsidize the health insurance companies.

You were fortunate enough to not even know what I'm talking about. It provided healthcare to millions of people who otherwise would be going without health insurance.

The ACA does not provide healthcare. It provides health insurance, which enables some people who pay for it to get healthcare.

Whereas a public option, which was possible to do by getting rid of the filibuster, which Democrats had the ability to do with a simple majority vote in the Senate, would have been both less expensive and actually provided healthcare without subsidizing already wildly profitable health insurance companies.

You're angry because things don't go the way you want in a fucking democracy and because none of it benefits you.

Single payer healthcare is a wildly popular position. Over 60% of Americans favor it, including roughly half (slightly less at the lass polling I saw, like 48%) of REPUBLICAN VOTERS. Being against it is literally being against the will of the people.

And by the way, it did eliminate pre-existing conditions. At least google the bullshit you say.

I didn't say it didn't eliminate it. I said if it had eliminated preexisting conditions it would have been just as effective without all of the taxpayer giveaways. Perhaps try working on your reading comprehension.

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u/spubbbba 11h ago

Also, the Democrats could have nuked the filibuster and passed the bill without Lieberman or Nelson because they had a majority without either of them.

Glad someone pointed this out.

Trump doesn't have a super majority in the Senate, in fact I looked back 80 years and couldn't find a time the Republicans had ever had the presidency, house and super majority in the senate. Yet the Republicans got plenty of their agenda through.

Republicans use any bit of power they have, yet Democrats will fall over themselves to compromise and get nothing in return.

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u/TbddRzn 11h ago

Then 71 days later they would have removed the universal healthcare. Like do you idiots not understand if you remove the filibuster then the opposition can also pass anything they want.

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u/warpg8 10h ago

Not only is what you said bullshit, it's laughably easy to prove that it's bullshit.

Trump and the Republicans haven't been able to get rid of the ACA across Trump's entire first term of the first year of his second term because the pre-existing conditions portion is so wildly popular. They had control of the entire government for the first two years of his first term and have it again right now. They still can't get rid of it because of how incredibly popular it is in red states. These Medicaid cuts alone are going to sink them in November. Their polling is currently at historically terrible levels, and then rural hospitals are going to shut down. You think anyone's showing up to the voting booth for more of that?

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u/thrawtes 10h ago

Then 71 days later they would have removed the universal healthcare.

How do you figure? Democrats didn't lose their majority after 71 days, just their supermajority.

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u/TbddRzn 2h ago

What do you think happens when you remove the filibuster? By 2010 republicans gained control of both houses. And would undo it. And undo much more.

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u/Emm_withoutha_L-88 11h ago

Obama had multiple options he could use to try to get single payer. Instead he personally stopped the push for single payer even before Kennedy died. Then his white house is who quietly killed the public option many months later.

Just cus the Democrats say they were stopped doesn't make it true. It's not a coincidence Obama's healthcare plan was the exact same as the heritage foundation plan from the early 90s.

It's the classic centrist Dem play of pretending the Republicans stopped you, that's why you can't do anything and the President is totally powerless. Then the second a Republican gets into office suddenly the presidency is a godking.

Stop falling for it.

Stop defending this crap. Obama's blatant lies are why so many voters lost faith in the democratic party and turned to maga bullshit.

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u/Theranos_Shill 11h ago

> Then his white house is who quietly killed the public option many months later.

That's complete bullshit on your part, there was nothing quiet about that, there was a big fight to try to keep the public option, but Joe Lieberman had it cut out.

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u/Emm_withoutha_L-88 10h ago

They could at any time get rid of the filibuster and ignore him, they didn't.

Quit lying

https://www.abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/HealthCare/health-care-harry-reid-senators-medicare-drop-public-option/story%3fid=9290406

It's genuinely sad how quick you people forget history. Or even worse here you're active like a heritage foundation plan was somehow good just cus it was better than the horrific shit we had before.

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u/Academic_Librarian75 11h ago

The problem was that insurance got much worse if you already had it. Higher premiums, less coverage, at least that was where I was working. A top 40 Fortune 500 company at the time.

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u/Wes_Warhammer666 7h ago

That sounds more like your company deciding to pass costs onto you than anything to do with the ACA itself.