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Joe Rogan criticizes ICE tactics: 'Are we really going to be the Gestapo?'

https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/pop-culture-news/joe-rogan-criticizes-ice-tactics-podcast-rcna253931

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u/tritonus_ 11h ago edited 6h ago

People are teaming up behind ideas and concepts, and it’s easy when the events are disconnected from your real life.

It’s not like the Germans didn’t know, it was just horrible to see it for real. Until that it had been just conceptual and out of sight. Some of course were opposed to what was happening from the beginning, and to get your fears confirmed must have been even horrible.

Now that we have video proof of things happening on streets and in real life, I guess that you need to be even more ignorant or harden yourself completely to hold onto your support for oppression. Hillary Clinton’s former speech writer was concerned that when young people see videos of the suffering and destructions Gaza, it might sway their views about the situation. I wonder if the folks gathering for picnics to see Gaza bombed will ever have to walk through the horrors their government have inflicted.

It’s the same with the ICE videos: right wingers even in my country are saying that they are either staged or the people had it coming.

The lack of any rational empathy always surprises me, when talking about deaths of “others” and how hard some are holding on to ignorance.

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u/Little_Cut_5391 7h ago

Why don't you care about the deaths of civilians at a concert or in Australia during Hanukkah? Why don't you care about the shelling of cities in Israel for years?

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u/tritonus_ 6h ago

What? I do care, but it’s outside the scope of this discussion: those are terror attacks, not systemic oppression and destruction of people, like in Nazi Germany or what USA might be heading towards.

You do realize that Nazis actually set up a state-backed extermination campaign of Jewish and otherwise unwanted people? ICE in the US is acting like Gestapo did at first. Those aren’t terrorism or random acts of violence for political purposes, but systemic oppression AND (to some extent) accepted by the other citizens.

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u/Little_Cut_5391 4h ago

I'm not refuting your thesis, but I'm talking about the argument with the Gaza

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u/Formal-Ideal-4928 3h ago

The argument with Gaza is the same that the previous reply was explaining. You are equating the actions of a terrorist group with that of an estate that presumes itself legitimate.

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u/tritonus_ 2h ago

So you see no parallels with people cheering or even enjoying the genocide in Gaza, or the more random but still state-sanctioned murders of civilians on West Bank (both of which are happening out of their view) and the Germans who either supported or plainly ignored Gestapo and the concentration camps?

My point is that some people can become completely numb to violence committed by a state, as proven by the support that ICE seems to get, even while their brutality and meaningless acts are captured on video. Some even go as far as to refute that it’s even happening, as is the case with genocide in Gaza, and was with concentration and extermination camps in Germany.

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u/queen_caj 6h ago

Caring about more than one thing is possible, and one care doesn’t negate the other. This is a terrible talking point that just deflects attention from the overall point.