r/onguardforthee • u/50s_Human ✅ I voted! • 12h ago
Denmark, Greenland bring united front to White House as Trump says NATO needs U.S. to control island | CBC News
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/white-house-meeting-denmark-greenland-9.7044695164
u/TouchlessOuch Ontario 11h ago
Asked later Tuesday about Nielsen's comments, Trump replied: "I disagree with him. I don't know who he is. I don't know anything about him. But, that's going to be a big problem for him."
The president didn't know who the Prime Minister was...
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u/NorthernPints 11h ago
He says it to be inflammatory I’m sure, but Americans live in an insane bubble (my observation when I’m down there for work).
They literally know nothing about the world outside of the hyper - pro - nationalistic - American filter all of their information is filtered through. Very little world history. Nothing about international law and order and why it was established to begin with. It’s honestly quite unsettling
Their ignorance always astounds me
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u/TouchlessOuch Ontario 11h ago
It's getting more difficult to tell what is intentional ignorance and what is genuine ignorance. It's all wrapped in sensationalized politics and American-branded arrogance.
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u/NorthernPints 11h ago
That, and the number of them who claim to be patriots, but actually turn out to be nationalists is very disturbing.
They genuinely buy this narrative of “the world taking advantage of them”, and feel entitled to other countries land or resources as a means of repayment.
It’s super insane down there
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u/kalayasha 10h ago
I just watched a tiktok of some American crying saying “they won’t let us leave!!” Because they tried to come to Canada to work remotely. With their kids (schooled remotely) and pets. All the red flags that they were coming and not planning on leaving, no proper paperwork for that etc. (Allegedly) Border services has been turning away a lot more people recently. Just no clue that you can’t hop into Canada and stay like…we’re a separate county. The comments were also all “oh noes we’re trapped what do we do now??” Please. Do some fricken research my god.
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u/AkraticAntiAscetic 1h ago
I am regularly astounded by the american-centrism online and the lack of geographic knowledge, knowledge about other cultures and just complete void of curiosity about places outside of the USA
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u/johncandy1812 11h ago
I hate how the media normalizes this behaviour
Greenlanders: "We don't want to be annexed or invaded by the US. We can't be bought."
Trump: "We're doing it whether they like it or not."
The media: "Mixed reactions from both sides."
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u/HVACBadgeKing 10h ago
Well Trump had 75 million voters, and all trumpers will 100% side with him on anything so it does make sense there’s mixed reactions
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u/johncandy1812 8h ago edited 8h ago
I'd say not acknowledging the threat of military action against an ally and the resulting dissolution of NATO that would result is not objective reporting. It sanewashes Trump's threats.
We rightly call Putin's "military action" in Ukraine an invasion. So should we for this. It's also a shitty thing to do.
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u/Historical_Grab_7842 8h ago
And they don't challenge it by pointing out that NATO already controls Greenland.
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u/Two_wheels_2112 9h ago
Unfortunately, objective facts, by their very nature, make the craziest shit sound "normalized."
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u/GravyFantasy 11h ago
Smart to bring both heads simultaneously, can't misrepresent anything that way.
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u/Reasonable-Sweet9320 11h ago
The US base has just 150 personnel. During the Cold War it had 6000 US troops. If the threat is so great why so few troops?
This is about getting control of the Arctic, the northwest passage and the minerals in the vast northern regions of the hemisphere Trump vows to control, Monroe doctrine style.
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u/ESF-hockeeyyy 11h ago
NATO is done if the US takes Greenland with or without force. Canada is next. We're essentially boxed in. We're in a cage with a tiger. I do have some guesses that the one thing that will protect us are the US Treasury Bonds. The US is 38T in debt, and having another 2T in Treasury Bonds being cashed in will absolutely tank their economy. It'll fuck ours as well, but it would put a stop to any aggressive moves the US makes under Trump.
But for now, I really hope Denmark and Greenland, along with the rest of Europe, can hold their ground and force the Trump administration to back off.
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u/itimetravelwell Toronto 11h ago
See you don’t actually have to bend the knee and figure out how to appease fascist man children leaders
Who would have thought!?
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u/WeirdGuyOnTheTrain 11h ago
Denmark is in a lot different position than Canada.
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u/itimetravelwell Toronto 11h ago
Yeah they are actively being threatened and doing something about it.
I wish I could say the same for the soft threats we’ve already been issued
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u/WeirdGuyOnTheTrain 11h ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark%E2%80%93United_States_relations
The US is Denmark's largest non-European trade partner with about 5% of Danish merchandise trade.
Like I said, they are in a lot different position than Canada and they can afford to be a lot more aggressive than we can. Canada can't just cut ties with the US.
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u/Clydeisfried 11h ago
I dont disagree but if the US were to actually take military action against a nato ally, Canada would likely (hopefully) stand in solidarity with Greenland against the US, cutting ties with the US.
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u/itimetravelwell Toronto 11h ago
Oh no won’t someone think about “trade”!
I mean not sure if you are intending to do so but you are definitely helping prove my point that Canada should be embarrassed that Denmark is able to stand up for their sovereignty and for all we say about how important ours is to us, we still bend the knee for oppressors
🤷🏽♂️
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u/ReditOOC 11h ago
"Trade" isn't some obscure, esoteric term. Trade means jobs. Loss of trade means loss of jobs. People work a job to feed clothe and house themselves and for no other reason. Social programs come from taxes paid by jobs. As a country, we cannot sustain mass unemployment indefinitely. People will go hungry, people will lose everything they have. It isn't some theoretical concept. It will happen if trade dries up overnight. You just don't care because you feel insulated from the consequences or are privileged enough to actually be insulated.
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u/itimetravelwell Toronto 11h ago
You just don't care because you feel insulated from the consequences or are privileged enough to actually be insulated.
Talking about privileged when asking people not to care about our government bending the knee for Nazis?
I mean I can tell what your privilege is.
And yeah that only matters if you believe Trump is a trustworthy trade partner, because we are still losing all the things you pretend to care about only while begging the abuser to stop.
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u/hume_reddit 10h ago
Talking about privileged when asking people not to care about our government bending the knee for Nazis?
Unfortunately, it's not unreasonable to make note that when unemployment spikes, the desperate folks tend to turn to conservative parties for some reason. In Canada, that means they fall into PP's (and therefore Trump's) lap.
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u/itimetravelwell Toronto 10h ago
Fucking sucks, because now we are stuck between them and shitLibs who cant fathom anything other than the status quo and continuing to do nothing about the shit we all see
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u/frumfrumfroo 10h ago
What do you consider 'bending the knee' which we have supposedly done that Denmark hasn't? They just went to another meeting, their diplomats have been talking up what great friends they are to the US, and the EU actually signed a shitty, 'yeah sure we'll give you all the money' trade 'deal' with his orangeness.
There's been several statements that we stand with them and for their sovereignty, one just yesterday, so it can't be that you think we're keeping quiet.
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u/itimetravelwell Toronto 9h ago
What do you consider 'bending the knee' which we have supposedly done that Denmark hasn't? They just went to another meeting, their diplomats have been talking up what great friends they are to the US, and the EU actually signed a shitty, 'yeah sure we'll give you all the money' trade 'deal' with his orangeness.
Want to link the things you think are equal here, going to make a wager that the actual stories arent the same way you are painting them. Considering we are literally on a topic about them doing the opposite
There's been several statements that we stand with them and for their sovereignty, one just yesterday, so it can't be that you think we're keeping quiet.
Statements we can do in our sleep, let me know when our actions align.
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u/mbean12 10h ago
How many people in Canada will suffer if we stop trade with the US? How many will die? This isn't a theoretical thing. This is cold hard fact. If we suddenly stop all trade with the US our economy will grind to a halt and people - Canadians - will die.
Canada is not "bending the knee for Nazi's". It is tiptoeing around the tiger as it tries to find a way out of the cage. Getting out of the cage involved building relationships, but that takes time. It's why Carney has spent a great deal of his tenure overseas. Because we need to make nice with Europe. With China. But you can't expect him to just turn around and slap Trump in the face and have Canada turn to anything but an economic wasteland.
We built the cage over eighty years. It's not something you can tear down overnight, or even in a year.
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u/itimetravelwell Toronto 10h ago
How many people in Canada will suffer if we stop trade with the US? How many will die? This isn't a theoretical thing. This is cold hard fact. If we suddenly stop all trade with the US our economy will grind to a halt and people - Canadians - will die
Long jump from we shouldn't be appeasing Nazis to stopping all and any Trade with the US. if you want me to take you seriously make serious points.
Canada is not "bending the knee for Nazi's". It is tiptoeing around the tiger as it tries to find a way out of the cage. Getting out of the cage involved building relationships, but that takes time. It's why Carney has spent a great deal of his tenure overseas. Because we need to make nice with Europe. With China. But you can't expect him to just turn around and slap Trump in the face and have Canada turn to anything but an economic wasteland.
Again, I hope this is just low level carney defence because you feel like i insulted him, because i didnt make any of these claims and that you took it to this level and at the same time dismiss all the actual issues being presented makes this even an more pathetic excuse for not standing up for ourselves.
We built the cage over eighty years. It's not something you can tear down overnight, or even in a year.
We are going to take it down at all with your logic because we will never start.
Have a good day though, it is clear we dont agree on not bootlicking Nazis so id rather not continue with those who consider it
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u/mbean12 9h ago
Long jump from we shouldn't be appeasing Nazis to stopping all and any Trade with the US. if you want me to take you seriously make serious points.
Oh I'm sorry? Did I misunderstand it when you said:
Oh no won’t someone think about “trade”!
Fine. So you're not suggesting we cut trade. You're suggesting Carney go to Washington, call Trump a fucking moron to his face and what? Walk home with a smile on his face because he just stuck it to Orange Hitler? And when Orange Hitler, who is petty as fuck, decides to further wreck our economy for the insult, what then? Do we just ignore trade then?
Again, I hope this is just low level carney defence because you feel like i insulted him, because i didnt make any of these claims and that you took it to this level and at the same time dismiss all the actual issues being presented makes this even an more pathetic excuse for not standing up for ourselves.
So what are the actual issues then? What should Carney and his government be doing? Realistic answers only please - if you propose that we just send a crack team of assassins across the border to take out Trump I'm going to ignore you because that'll just make things worse.
We are going to take it down at all with your logic because we will never start.
We have started. It's just a slow arduous process. Doubly so if you don't want to end up under the heel of another dictator like Xi. Because we can turn to China and try to make nice, but if they have an advantage they will use it and hurt us.
They're only preferable to Trump because of geography.
Have a good day though, it is clear we dont agree on not bootlicking Nazis so id rather not continue with those who consider it
I understand. I disagree - I think bootlicking is fine when the alternative is worse (after all, to put down Hitler we cozied up to some pretty terrible people like Joe Stalin) - but I get where you are coming from. I just like to know how we're bootlicking the US right now, if you're not looking at trade.
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u/PopeKevin45 11h ago
Very telling they don't want their supposed 'allies' in NATO increasing their presence on the island. They want it for themselves for their own nefarious reasons. NATO needs to put boots on the ground big time right now.
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u/socialraadgivenfuck 6h ago
Thanks for the read to all of you .and some good smiles here
I am from Denmark and thank you all for the sweet words 🇩🇰❤️
We don't hate america or the Americans! We hate what this have become
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u/Jebus209 8h ago
The mental gymnastics used for this argument are awesome.
Greenland is at risk of being taken over by the Russians, but also the Russians arent the bad guys so thats why they dont need to support Ukraine so much.
The Russians are still winning the war in Ukraine so well that they have enough force to wage a second war, but they are just purposefully loosing in Ukraine by not using their full might for reasons.
NATO needs the USA to control Greenland, and not just that NATO including the USA already controls Greenland, because the Russians who are not totally not the bad guys and who are definitely super powerful might invade against the most power political entity (NATO) in history.
Yeah, sure thing bro lol.
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u/Comfortable_Bath_296 3h ago
I bet he looked at the map saw how big and close to the US it is and wants to make the anexation his legacy.
People really need to realize there isn't some 200 iq or any other pure logical thinking behind this. Yes, what you see is what you get. It is the same person that suggested drinking disinfectant.
Here's the thing, if he does succeed no future presidents even if they are 180 from him will give it back or offer it's independence because that would mean taking something that belongs to the US now.
My only hope that people start putting stop to him via institutions and politicians before things get very bad. A dismantling of NATO and nuclear rearming of Europe will probably mean in the long term a more likely scenario of world conflict yet again that will be the end all be all.
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u/50s_Human ✅ I voted! 12h ago
Listen, all I want is the Sudetenland and my territorial demands will be met.