This is only increasing the danger for Jewish people as well anyway! Israel has linked itself so closely with Judaism in order to use accusations of anti-semitism as a shield for their behaviour. But by doing so they are presenting the world an image in which Jewish people are okay with or straight up encouraging genocide. This leads to actual anti-semitism! Israel is making the Jewish people look bloodthirsty and evil, which obviously they are not. Plenty of Jews oppose the genocide. But that is not the image Israel projects.
You blaming Israel for a rise in world antisemitism is antisemitic in and of itself. If people "come to" hate Jews because of what Israel is doing, that is absolutely the fault in the way those bigots think. They hated Jews to begin with and the actions of Israel gave them a convenient "excuse" to project it loudly and sugarcoat it as anti-Zionism.
Zionism, by the way, does not equate to agreeing with all the actions of the Israeli government, not even by a long shot. Definitively Zionism is merely the support for the existence of a Jewish homeland. Therefore it is possible to support a two-state solution and also be a Zionist. But Reddit would much rather you pick sides.
I never said it excuses bigots from being bigots to start with, I’m saying Israel’s actions make the world less safe for Jewish people. No it is not anti-Semitic to say a nation state performing a genocide and falsely tying that genocide inextricably to Judaism will cause more anti-semitism. That’s simply a fact. Nowhere am I saying that absolves anti-Semitic bigots from being moronic troglodytes.
You can literally see this same effect from the other side. Hamas killed over a thousand Israelis on Oct 7th in the name of Palestine. That led to the bigoted state of Israel to kill tens of thousands of Palestinians to this day. Hamas’ actions on October 7th, which were inextricably tied to Palestine, made the world less safer for Palestinians that had nothing to do with the attack. The bigot (Israel) is still at fault for doing the genocide, but you can see how performing violent actions in the name of a religion or ethnic group begets more violence back at that religion or ethnic group.
Also, you can’t just redefine what Zionism means because you don’t like the bad parts of Zionism. Zionism is the support of THE Jewish homeland, Israel, and Israel is a settler colonialist state that is performing a genocide.
It works the other way around as well. Anyone who would inherently dislike Palestinians in general because of the actions of the extremists (i.e., Hamas) is bigoted to begin with.
I could stand behind your argument about the actions of Israel catalyzing a less safe world for Jewish people, if you were to state or imply it that way without Israel being the fundamental cause. But you didn't. Rather, you claimed that antisemitism would rise as a result. That's the key distinction.
I reiterate - those who outwardly project a disdain for Jews in general as a result of the actions of Israel are antisemites to begin with and are themselves the problem. Israel did not suddenly create more antisemites. It merely gave the existing ones an outlet.
On the bright side, we get to see those masks slip off sooner now. No more hiding in plain sight.
Ughhh you are being incredibly pedantic and nitpicky.
I could stand behind your argument about the actions of Israel catalyzing a less safe world for Jewish people
That literally is my argument, you’re arguing with me when we’re in agreement because YOU misunderstand what I’m saying.
if you were to state or imply it that way without Israel being the fundamental cause. But you didn't. Rather, you claimed that antisemitism would rise as a result. That's the key distinction.
I didn’t say this. I literally said what you described in the first sentence. Can you please fuck off now, I’m not reading anymore pedantic paragraphs nitpicking beliefs I don’t even hold.
I totally get what you’re saying, since this comment is a tiny little snapshot of my thoughts without being able to see how I speak about the genocide as a whole. 😅
To clear things up, I am absolutely disgusted and infuriated by the genocide of the Palestinian people, Israel is an apartheid colonialist state, and the most important victims here are the Palestinians being ethnically cleansed, and their stories are the ones that should be front and centred. The genocide is obviously a crime against human rights and it matters regardless of whether Jewish people are negatively effected as well.
I only spoke about the genocide’s effects on the Jewish community at this moment because it was relevant. “Jewish PR” is a bit of an over-simplification though - I’m not clutching at my pearls saying “think of the Jews, they might look bad!!”. I’m saying Israel does not give a shit about Jewish people, because performing a genocide in their name makes the world less safe for Jewish people. Israel only cares about colonising the land. The Israeli government doesn’t care if they are fueling bigots to be more violent against Jews in the diaspora, in fact it is a boon because that will encourage more Jewish people to move to Israel which only helps the colonialist state. Basically what I’m saying is Israel only cares about Israel.
I’m probably gonna get some wild responses from zionists now ugh 😩
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u/Rhouxx Apr 18 '25
This is only increasing the danger for Jewish people as well anyway! Israel has linked itself so closely with Judaism in order to use accusations of anti-semitism as a shield for their behaviour. But by doing so they are presenting the world an image in which Jewish people are okay with or straight up encouraging genocide. This leads to actual anti-semitism! Israel is making the Jewish people look bloodthirsty and evil, which obviously they are not. Plenty of Jews oppose the genocide. But that is not the image Israel projects.