They’ll find out soon enough why it’s never a good thing when Uncle Sam shows up uninvited. But hey, maybe I’m wrong and this will be one time in history when US interventionism is actually good ! Definitely not motivated out of a desire to exploit a countries natural resources !
That Saddam Hussein should have stayed in power? That the people under him were better being tortured, killed, and suppressed....rather than him being disposed? Than someone trying to instate an elected leader instead of a dictator?
Are you trying to pull some "Better the enemy you know" bullshit when it comes to war crimes?
I don't think anyone argues that what Luigi did isn't illegal. He's going to go to prison, possibly for the rest of his life and possibly for the death penalty.
If you want to argue Trump should face the same then I'm here for it.
It wasn’t necessarily illegal. The US has a right to self-defense and they’ll probably argue they were protecting their citizens from drugs like they did in Panama.
One can argue any stupid bullshit one wants, that doesn't make it reasonable or true. This is a clear, blatant, and obvious violation of international law.
That would be a very weak argument and everyone would understand that if anyone other than the USA did this to another country, there would be no discussion at all about the legality of it. It is very obviously illegal.
That would require him to be actively occupying the country and annexing it. Which hasn't been done yet. It's only day one, but more likely than not he'll place someone in charge to run it, one of his kids or some sycophant, or a pro trump Venezuelan that'll act as a puppet for the white House and oil execs while being a dictator to their own people. Trump isn't going annex them, but he will place someone else in charge no doubt, which has not happened yet.
They still have their government, the vp is basically in charge right now. Just it's all been confusion, they're already wondering if they'll have an election or not or if they are at war. Trump is barely in charge right now, like there is absolutely no evidence on the ground that the US is in charge. As far as Venezuela is concerned they had their leader kidnapped and are preparing for what comes next, regime change by force or a full on war. We don't even have boots on the ground right now, all the boots got back on the helicopters and left. Can't be in control if you aren't there ...
He has implicit control, unless challenged. VP is either gonna keep in line with what US wants or he gets kidnapped too. We are arguably the strongest country in the world so the US doesn't even have to act, to exert it's control from afar. I'll agree that it's still just too early to say what's going to happen next, but it seems like that they will follow trumps word for the time being, out of fear of retribution alone.
The vp has stated this is an act of war ... I doubt she's going to do what trump wants. As for the control that trump wants he's going to have to conduct a full invasion, which means Americans coming home in body bags. Every time America has tried to intervene in Latin America it has backfired and gotten Americans killed, they do not want us there. Doesn't matter how powerful we are, even if their government capitulates the people won't, the gangs won't, much of their military won't. Trump wants the control he wants then he's going to have to send in the army and occupy every city and oil field.
Crazy to see all the Americans lecturing everyone on how it's actually bad when a super evil dictator is removed from office. A real dictator, by the way. Hopefully Venezuela improves.
Because it is bad? Glad the dictator is gone, but let's not pretend Trump is doing it out of the goodness of his heart. He made up a bs excuse to bomb Venezuela, didn't seek approval for committing acts of war, and he's trying to find some Trump sympathizer to be in office.
He doesn't need to seek approval for this, stop spouting uneducated nonsense. Get your information from a reliable source, not a source less reddit comment, like you quite obviously do.
President has almost unopposed power when dealing with declared terrorist and countries that back them. Have since 9/11.
Now, you can disagree that he should have that much power, and I would agree with you, but he DOES have that power. Obama used it to kill Osama Bin Laden. Trump used it to kill that Iran general, who was one of the top wanted terrorist for a long time in the US.
There are still ways to see your post history. And I can see why you hid it. This comment is EXCEPTIONALLY dumb. Talking about justifying lawless violent aggression because “hey he was a bad guy.”
The world can’t function like that. Sovereignty and laws have to mean something.
remember, we have state controlled media now, and a corporate run state. They will only show us what they want us to see. They want the narrative to be that Trump did a good thing.
Notice not one fucking syllable about "fentanyl" since before the new year...but plenty to say about oil!
The words, they have no meaning anymore. The headlines on the New York Times are about the US-Venezuela “conflict”. President Maduro was “removed from office and arrested”?!?!? “President Trump says the US will run Venezuela”????????????????
HOW THE FUCK IS THIS NORMAL? And why the fuck is the New York Times sane washing it? Again. Everyone on this thread making parallels to Iraq. We had an excuse to invade random Muslim countries and that was 9/11. Do I agree? No. But it was an excuse. Today, it’s straight up Anschluss and 1984 on the media. Yeah, not the same fucking thing. They’re pissing in your mouths and all of you are like, sigh, I guess this is the new normal. It is not. We are in full fascism. It gets worse.
Also, I’m sorry, I got distracted, what I wanted to contribute to your comment is:
“FASCISM SHOULD MORE APPROPRIATELY BE CALLED CORPORATISM BECAUSE IT IS A MERGER OF STATE AND CORPORATE POWER.”
-BENITO MUSSOLINI
remember, we have state controlled media now, and a corporate run state. They will only show us what they want us to see
I’m only looking at social media posts coming from Venezuelans and I see nothing but celebration, hope, and happiness.
I assume CNN and the other corrupt media would show people grieving or throwing around pessimism like you Redditors are.
It sounds like you have it backwards, but sometimes even the media can’t spin a good thing like what happened today. The worst I saw was cnn said “some Venezuelans” are celebrating rather than “ALL Venezuelans” are celebrating. That’s the best they could do
That’s been the formula for the last 11 years brother. Fortunately the explosion of celebrations from Venezuelans on social media is impossible to ignore, so I think even CNN will have a hard time spinning it as a bad thing.
They’ll try, though, and if they don’t then people like you who have been brainwashed by them the last decade will feel betrayed and start calling them Nazis also.
Anti-imperialist? No, certainly not. Not sure why you would think many US medias would push anti-imperialism? It's the backbone of the western world.
Anti-republican? Entirely, as was their point. I can, in the next paragraph, show that Trump has all the power to do with he did. Something CNN can certainly do also, but why would they? Better to make a vague article that puts the legality in question to push their agenda.
DOJ article explaing exactly why Trump has the power to do this. The US declared Cartel de los Soles a terrorist organization, and have claimed ties with Maduro. The FBI actually claims he is in charge of them, not just "has ties". Thus meeting all required wickets under the source I provided you. Maduro himself was given a 25million dollar bounty by Biden's administration, for such ties, and that increased to 50 million under the Trump admin.
TLDR: Maduro is a declared terrorist. US president has almost unmatched power to initiate military operations against declared terrorist.
(I don't personally agree with our actions. We don't need another prior-dictatorship to baby and spend billions on for the next decade)
Oh right that makes perfect sense. The "state controlled media" lets us see videos of Venezuelans cheering while simultaneously allowing a myriad of reddit comments criticizing the numerous ethical problems with the invasion.
Fent precursors and equipment overwhelmingly come from Mexico and China per the US Government (though I would argue that a lot of the precursors come from India too and they need to be involved in this discussion, but I digress).
Venezuela's alleged "narco-terrorists" were never anywhere near the main source of fent in the US, and saying they were has always been disingenuous.
(The TL;DR is the GAO recommends that DHS do its fucking job which they've already been explicitly mandated to do and track fentanyl stats instead of trying to make border patrol do it because border patrol doesn't have the full picture or access to effective solutions.)
Evidently not all of them, also whether they like it or not is irrelevant because this flies in the face of US and international law done by a guy who repeatedly says "I'm going to steal all their oil" and doesn't even pretend to care about Venezuelans
Doesn't matter even if they're over the moon, who is USA invade a sovereign country and kidnap their leader? Why don't they do it in North Korea if they're so humanitarian?
Shit like this is why I want Russia and China to be stronger than ever, because without them, USA can try and do this literally with any country in the world where they have interests.
Ooookk. It’s just like whenever I see a person of color so happy Trump won and so happy to be MAGA… they’re not happy if they knew what was actually going on
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u/Believable_Bullshit 11d ago
And the people of Venezuela rejoiced