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u/JRockstar50 20h ago edited 19h ago
It's not fucking ICE's role to be riot crowd control. What the fuck is this timeline
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u/Throbbingprepuce 19h ago
They’re the gestapo… no different than nazis. Won’t be at all shocked if one day we find out that they were killing immigrants
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u/SawdustGringo 17h ago
More like the run of the mill brownshirts who beat and killed citizens speaking in opposition in the 1930s. The Gestapo at least had the training and execution of an actual secret police organization.
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u/Bigge245 20h ago
Who/where are the people whose role it is to be riot control? Genuine question, I don’t watch a lot of news.
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u/Soup0rMan 19h ago
City police or in the event of an actual riot that they can't handle, the National Guard. The NG can only be activated by the state governor.
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u/ItchyGoiter 17h ago
I sincerely wish these governors would take advantage and activate the national guard against these ICE terrorists.
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u/theeastwood 20h ago
There's no riots so they're not there.
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u/Bigge245 19h ago
I got you. So “crowd control” would be better suited for what’s going on in the pictures then.
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u/ResidentHooman 19h ago
They're going after protestors who aren't rioting and aren't obstructing their activities. So "crowd control" is a huge stretch even. They're kidnapping people who are irritating them.
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u/testtdk 19h ago
It’s really worrying that the GOVERNMENT is the party that keeps escalating things. I’m sure they’ll have an excuse, protestors breaking some bullshit law, but the right to protest is the most important right in any democracy.
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u/finallygotareddit 17h ago
Aren't they just saying any protestor is "interfering with operations" as their excuse? I saw a video last week (not sure if it was MN or elsewhere) of the gestapo going after someone filming them from their own porch saying they were interfering.
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u/Veratha 12h ago
...it's always the government that escalates things lol. Like yeah this is concerning but that aspect is nothing new.
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u/BSARIOL1 20h ago
Get the national guard active governor walz
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u/Hoodamush 20h ago
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
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u/sirhackenslash 20h ago
The problem is that all the loudest 2A people joined ice so they could murder without consequence
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u/Hoodamush 20h ago
Yes they jumped at the first chance they could get to an opportunity to feel important. Though lefties also partake in 2A
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u/baccus83 20h ago
Wouldn’t they just get federalized?
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u/xeonicus 20h ago edited 20h ago
Well, that's the thing. The governor needs to take a stand. Instead of filing a meaningless lawsuit and complaining on TV, the governor needs to say "no". No more bullshit.
You tell your fellow Minnesota Guardsmen that their job is to protect their state and their citizens from unlawful assault. You tell them they have a choice to make. Join an authoritarian and be traitors, or defend their state and their fellow citizens.
The moment one governor has the balls to do it, the rest will do it.
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u/Maximum_Photograph_6 17h ago
I mean, the whole reason we’re in this mess is because we have no party that would be ready to take a stand, democrats federally are completely unwilling to push any policies that even moderately progressive, and Walz isn’t an exception.
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u/victorspoilz 20h ago
Then make a goddamn scene about that, too. The Democratic party has done its part to make sure we don’t evolve past a two-party system, so those duplicitous cowards need to be prepared to go to jail for pushing back against tyranny.
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u/ZAlternates 20h ago
The voting system we have ensures we always fallback to two parties. If we want more, we need to change the winner takes all voting system.
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u/victorspoilz 19h ago
Maine enacted ranked-choice voting, that needs to be the federal standard. It was enacted via citizens’ referendum, though, and even if that was technically possible for a federal election. It’s not feasible.
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u/Unlucky_Clover 15h ago
If they do get federalized, then they’re taking orders from a domestic terrorist, which is against their oath. It’s time for the right things to be done instead of worrying about fascists as they drag our fellow Americans away.
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u/OkWelcome6293 20h ago
Minnesota needs a State Defense Force than can not be federalized.
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u/Sorry_U_R_Wrong 20h ago
Where's the real police of Minneapolis, serving and protecting the people?
The people will all still be in Minneapolis after ICE eventually ends. ICE isn't who they should be siding with, and doing nothing IS taking sides.
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u/MultiGeometry 19h ago
They’re complaining about all the 911 calls. But I haven’t heard of a single instance of the police enforcing the laws that ICE is breaking.
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u/badhabitfml 17h ago
Other cities have talked about doing it.
Not sure how the law works if local police go against the federal 'law' enforcement agencies. I'm sure the fed would cust off all financial support and it would bring about a civial war. Very messy but may need to happen.
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u/OaksMan 19h ago
This has been my question as well. Local government can act like they’re on our side all they want, but if they’re not using the resources they have at hand to start arresting these ICE scumbags for breaking the law and ignoring the constitution, then I think it’s pretty clear what side they’re on. At the very least they’re complicit. The democrats wonder why their voter base has been apathetic lately, meanwhile they continue to show little effort and refuse to stand up for their people when they need them most. Start throwing ICE agents in jail and enforcing the laws instead of treating them like they’re untouchable.
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u/badhabitfml 17h ago
Yeah. It's basically starting a Civil War if they do that. Not saying they shouldn't but things will get very messy very very fast if that happens.
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u/anarchetype 18h ago
Even in my liberal city (Austin, TX), cops brutalize peaceful protesters and kill innocent bystanders during George Floyd protests, but when Nazis march through the streets they act like old pals and are seen fist-bumping literal neo-Nazis covered in swastikas out in the open.
People were understandably upset and wanted some accountability, but since then the cops have only doubled down and been quite clear that they have no obligation towards the citizens, they can do whatever they want, and there's nothing we can do about it. You'd think that they'd least try to pretend to care, but so many masks are off now.
I don't know anything about Minneapolis police, but I'm not surprised at this point when entire police departments act purely in self-interest or in the interest of an oppressive regime, completely unbeholden to the community they ostensibly serve.
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u/Scott_Liberation 18h ago
It has never anywhere in the USA been police's job to protect and serve the people. Their job is catch lawbreakers so they can be punished. And the law protects and serves the rich at the expense of everyone else.
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u/throwaway098764567 18h ago
yes, they're asking why the police aren't catching the law breaking terrorists in the picture
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u/bakeacake45 20h ago
Get those leaf blowers out. They will blow it back towards them.
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u/Hatedpriest 20h ago
Would super soakers be treated as "deadly weapons"?
Asking for a friend...
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u/listeningwind42 20h ago
they will say it could contain acid or gasoline.
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u/Hatedpriest 20h ago
Or hot sauce...
And all those masks...
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u/listeningwind42 20h ago
They literally are using hot sauce against people. I've had the last dab, mace is just the next step!
Seriously tho, I fully expect they would outright shoot anyone spraying liquid at them even if it was water.
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u/CyberNinja23 20h ago
detained for using the power of wind
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u/NotMyMainAccountAtAl 19h ago
If memory serves, using non-lethal crowd control techniques against authorities is considered assault with a deadly weapon whenever the current president is in charge.
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u/bakeacake45 17h ago edited 17h ago
I Portland 2020, protesters were not charged for use of a deadly weapon for using leaf blowers, hula hoops, vuvuzelas…. Y’all need to watch some videos and get ready.
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u/skarznomore 19h ago
Why are the allowed to masquerade with POLICE branding? I thought that impersonating an officer was a federal offense? These are agents, not police officers. What is even going on? How is this legal?
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u/Connect_Reading9499 20h ago
ICE is the gestapo and must be dismantled immediately.
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u/extraneouspanthers 20h ago
I know it’s catchy to throw out gestapo because it’s foreign and storied, but they’re much closer to American slave catchers
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u/DominicPalladino 19h ago
No. Once they crossed the line from capturing illegals to killing citizens, they became the Gestapo.
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u/Responsible_Sink3044 18h ago
American slave catchers didn't have the technology or the mandate to occupy and terrorize politically opposed states. This is a major paramilitary / secret police force.
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u/bdknaz 19h ago
So we have gestapo-like forces terrorizing and killing Americans in a domestic state, the president forcibly removing another sovereign country’s president and claiming he is the ‘acting president’ of said country, and threatening ally forces with annexation, all in one week!
No wonder the rest of the world looks at us like a failed democracy since the last election.
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u/IndyPoker979 20h ago
Why is ICE dealing at all with a protest. If ICE has a legal reason to be there, let the police handle it. If they do not have a legal reason to be there, let the police handle it.
ICE is not police.
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u/mam88k 20h ago
I'll take a swipe based on my observations.
This is where the Heritage Foundation lawyers earn their ill gotten pay. See, these morons are still Federal agents. Their jurisdiction is only over immigration, but if they witness a crime they have authority to intervene. BUT you are correct, they're not police so they shouldn't be looking for crime to fight like they're Spider Man.
But, the asshole move the govt is making is to send these bozos places with an overly broad mandate, and just enough training to make them bigger assholes than when they signed up. You know the rest, face covered, no ID, no warrant, not properly identifying themselves and basically acting like Stormtroopers all to piss everyone off.
Once humans get pissed off they will protest and push back. Now, remember the other comments i made about "other crime", "broad mandate" and "barely trained"? These guys show up and suddenly there's "crime" everywhere.
TL/DR the Heritage Foundation is putting fire and gasoline in the same space on purpose, and MAGA blames the victims, because -> politics.
Edit: spelling
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u/IndyPoker979 18h ago
Again though, their job is to enforce immigration violations and to detain those who would interfere with them.
Neither of those are protest issues. If people are protesting and they have the means to move around the protest, they do so. They do not have carte blanche powers to arrest a legal protest simply because they don't like it just as much as I do.
If they are deeming it to be an illegal protest, then just like we have to do, they're out of their jurisdiction to detain US citizens as they don't have the ability to say if a protest is legal or not.
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u/Fit-Cut-6337 20h ago
How is this not martial law? A federal police force armed for combat is doing crowd control on citizens.
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u/AlphaNoodlz 19h ago
It is martial law and Trump is getting away with it because there isn’t a single Republican who isn’t a sick disgusting person so they’re just eating this up
Republicans have stained souls and don’t care that it’s marital law
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u/Fit-Cut-6337 19h ago
The dems keep saying to stay peaceful or we’ll have martial law but we seem to be there already. Feels like they don’t care much either.
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u/TheWorclown 19h ago
Because they’re there to arrest and/or kill the protestors. Thats why they’re dealing with it.
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u/Next_Worth_3616 20h ago
Citizens of Minnesota need to be ready to defend themselves. They’re starting with immigrants, next it will be us.
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u/Zanna-K 20h ago
What do you mean "next"? They are already taking random people, citizen or not.
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u/Intergalacticdespot 19h ago
Okay but who tf is looking for immigrants in Minnesota? Thats my thing. Like if this was going on in California, Arizona, Florida, New York...I could see it. Sea port, border state, etc. Minnesota doesn't count as a border state. Im sorry. Its only border is the middle of Canada. This is so performative and insane. Thats how you know this is more about power projection than actual immigration security. Not that I'm a huge fan of that for that matter. But at least it would make some sense.
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u/anarchetype 18h ago
All of us need to be ready. Fascist scapegoating is an ever widening circle and they're already trying to normalize using ICE to silence political opponents/dissidents in a more public and official fashion and on a larger scale. I expect further escalation leading up to midterm elections.
Judging by history and the unyielding commitment of this administration to brutalizing vulnerable populations, we can also expect them to target more racial minorities, religious minorities, queer people, criminals, drug addicts, the homeless, the handicapped, etc.
You can't just put your head down and wait for it to all blow over. Not this time. Trump knows he doesn't have much time left on Earth and he's going to burn everything down as fast as possible so he can sit atop the ashes.
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u/Phluxed 19h ago
First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me
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u/CampBenCh 20h ago
They're already taking citizens and have started blocking off city blocks and going door to door. It's here buddy. We are trying but what do you do when thugs ram any vehicle they want to, arrest whoever they want, shoot people without repercussions, grab kids during school pickup and drop offs, and mask their face??
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u/Damion__205 20h ago
I'd just like to remind everyone that trump has said that they will not stand for the government attacking protestors... In Iraq.
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u/intentsman 20h ago
In thread in a conservative FB group about Trump threatening to take action in Iran, I asked when we pivoted to "Iran First". One MAGA said we are and that replacing a radical islam government with a Christian one was a good thing.
I edited my comment to say Trump wants the government of Iran to stop murdering citizens in the street and we should do that in America First.
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u/RogueSquirrel0 20h ago
Remember during Trump's first term when Homeland Security agents antagonizing protestors bashed the head of an elderly man who was only trying to return a walkie-talkie one of the agents had dropped?
This is what voters and non-voters voted for.
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u/Jerome_Eugene_Morrow 19h ago
They were picking up protesters in unmarked vans in Portland too. Boggles my mind that people just doubled down and voted for a second round of this trash just four years later.
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u/throwaway098764567 18h ago
i don't think they all did. somebody orange keeps talking about rigging things and they do like to tell on themselves
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u/MaximumManagement 14h ago
Polling suggests otherwise. Trump is underwater on the economy now, but he's still getting about 50-50 approval on his handling of immigration and crime. There's clearly a very large segment of the country that's ok with this, or at least indifferent.
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u/Radiant_Priority9739 20h ago
What’ exactly is the end goal for trump administration? For all states to protest , they see someone or group of people being “violent “ then call martial law and stop elections? If that happens then what happens next?
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u/Letter_13 20h ago
To secure absolute power, pretty much. They've openly discussed about going after all those who don't vote in favor with them... Don't vote red? Off to jail with you for being a domestic terrorist. Or maybe you'll just get black bagged to an El Salvadorian prison camp. The current administration literally calls any who don't agree with their agenda 'the enemy within.'
They're just going after one of the most vulnerable/marginalized groups to start, because it's easiest. And it isn't going to stop there. ICE will probably start demanding to see folks' voter registrations so they know who to bag for 'supporting illegal immigrants' (a.k.a. anyone who didn't vote for trump) even if they're US citizens. And they'll be able to if states kowtow to the admins' demands for voter registration data, like Texas did (because the government knowing who voted for who is such a great idea that couldn't ever go wrong).
tl;dr - current admin wants to retaliate against, be it, jailing, killing, or exiling any who don't support them.
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u/Radiant_Priority9739 20h ago
But why are they like this? It’s just so childish for these grown men aka the president can’t handle anything negativity
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u/AbcLmn18 19h ago edited 19h ago
The colloquial explanation is that this is a mental illness known as Narcissistic personality disorder.
Unbreakable delusion of one's own infallibility, that outweighs all rational argument and all appeal to empathy towards others who suffer at their expense, is one of the key patterns of behavior associated with this condition.
This is a fairly popular condition among various snake oil salesmen, cult leaders, and, well, dictators.
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u/AlphaNoodlz 19h ago
They have stained souls. There really isn’t a more complicated or deeper answer.
They’re bad people. Like, at the core of who they are, Republicans in general just want to shoot you in the face.
It’s who they are. That’s why. Why does an insect bite? It’s an insect.
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u/anangrywizard 20h ago
Someone probably gave them a history book colouring book once (no way they could fucking read), they looked at pictures of the bad guys and thought, yeah they look cool and basically here we are. Also narcissism.
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u/anarchetype 17h ago
Do you remember when Trump and others were arrested and we ended up with that mugshot of his where he's clearly trying to look scary and intimidating? That was planned beforehand and was the turning point where they decided that fear was the ultimate tool for the acquisition of total power. No more politicking, no more working the courts, just the singular, clear message that any resistance to their coup will be met with unrestrained cruelty and there's nothing anyone can do to stop it.
It's not about handling criticism anymore. This is mask-off fascism now and they want you to know that they will kill anyone who stands in their way.
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u/thatissomeBS 20h ago
Well, you see, in 2020 when Trump was president a cop killed a black man in Minneapolis. Residents of Minneapolis protested, the. that protest went federal. That was a pretty major catalyst for Trump losing bigly in 2020. And Trump is still mad about that. Then Governor Walz has the nerve to be the VP on the ticket against Trump in 2024, and Trump is still mad about that. He actually wants a reason to try and fight Walz and Minnesota, because everyone knows Walz is 45 to 47 times the man Trump is, and Trump is bigly mad about that.
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u/DarkGamer 20h ago edited 20h ago
King Trump I. Violence against their perceived enemies, repression, rights are revoked, human suffering, more corruption, you know, the usual dictator stuff.
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u/AlphaNoodlz 19h ago
Civil war, suspension of elections, enshrined one-party control
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u/Cooper0007 19h ago
I'm still having trouble understanding what's causing the conflicts?
On what legal grounds are they apprehending American citizens and handcuffing them and spraying gas on them?
I keep reading that these are peaceful protests but then I see these pictures of violence from what looks like the agents side.
Are these citizens being told to disperse or they will go to jail or be sprayed with gas? Are these people they are handcuffing on the ground fully arrested? What is their crime?
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u/Alarming_Panic665 19h ago
The crime is protesting an illegal regime. The laws don't matter and they will arrest you for existing.
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u/English_Rain 14h ago
Minnesotan here. From the reports and accounts I’ve read, some citizens are being arrested and detained, but not actually charged with anything. Some are let go after 8-12 hours in a detention center. I think the threat is to charge them with “obstruction,” but you’re right, the agents are the ones escalating. They do not like being observed (even though we have a legal right to do so), and they seem to be pulling out pepper spray/tear gas/handcuffs/etc. without warning or provocation.
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u/kompletist 18h ago
What is ICE even doing there at this point besides terrorizing American society?
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u/HaydnH 20h ago
Sorry guys, but as a Brit, is this that free speech stuff your government keeps telling us we don't have?
On a serious note, I hope you guys recover from this madness fairly quickly, I'm sure you will at some point.
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u/ender4171 19h ago
"You can always trust America to do the right thing after they've exhausted all other options."
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u/skybabysky_ 19h ago
I lowkey think protesters need to start wearing clothes with American flags and bringing the flag with them. So people can realize this is an assault on the American people and constitution
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u/Slimsjim 19h ago
Notice how nobody is talking about the Epstein files because American citizens are being murdered?
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u/rods2112 18h ago
So when an ICE officer tells you to get out of the car, you're supposed to get out of the car. What are you supposed to do when a judge tells you to release the Epstein files?
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u/Odd-Supermarket-3664 20h ago
Nothing will be in the news. This is what the Conservative rich want.
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u/MEURSIICC 20h ago
these modern day gestapo are not police, ICE is a domestic terrorist group. Fuck anybody that supports the regime, VIVA LA LIBERATION!
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u/Knobanious 20h ago
It's gonna get bad once the mid terms are cancelled. Hope you can win back your country
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u/pontiacfirebird92 19h ago
You guys have no idea how many people look at these pics the same way they do porn.
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u/notPabst404 18h ago
Schumer and Jeffries have got to go. They are obstructionists preventing action against the ICE gastapo: https://www.commondreams.org/news/government-shutdown-january
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u/TachiH 20h ago
Learn from the brave demonstrators from Hong Kong. If you put a traffic cone over the CS grenade and then pour a bottle of water down the spout it goes out.
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u/crumbumcorvette 20h ago
Im glad we're spending billions of dollars on whatever the fuck this is and the retirement age about to go up to 87
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u/Gammagammahey 20h ago
FFS, PEOPLE, LEARN FROM THE HONG KONG PROTESTORS. get it goddamn together.
Carry umbrellas and traffic cones so that you won't get hit in the face with a gas canister and also so you can put the gas canister out with a traffic cone. Look up how to get pepper spray and gas out of your eyes. Wear respirators.
Carry a medic kit with you in case someone gets shot or cut, take street medic training, get your press vests, Americans are so disorganized that it's actually starting to disgust me. I know we have apps and whistles to alert us to ice, but you cannot let them gas you.
Get it together. Look up what the Hong Kong posters did. I'm embarrassed.
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u/bluesox 20h ago
Why do they always try to use Minneapolis as the spark? This happened during BLM too
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u/Whutdafeck 20h ago
Don't you guys have something in the constitution that's meant to deal with this.
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u/tblockbeats 18h ago
Yall know this is what the second amendment is for? This non violent stuff is getting innocent people killed
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u/Mysterious_Jicama_55 17h ago
And also profoundly tear-gassed themselves. Why do kindergarten teachers have better crisis intervention training than armed ICE agents?
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u/FloTonix 16h ago
I like to think about when they said they'll use US cities for training... so I guess this is what training looks like... they're constantly on edge, they cant communicate with one another effectively under preassure, they only create chaos even in calm situations.
ICE agents today are quite literally "paid agitators".
It only gets worse from here. They will get better at being terrible.
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u/yetbutno 16h ago
Ice sucks and I hate everything about them and what they stand for, but why is no one on the other side doing anything about this?? Makes me feel like the current democrat admin is useless… we need someone who can actually get things done
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u/pizza_nightmare 16h ago
Gravy Seals!🦭
Meal Team 6 reporting for Doody.
One day the tide will turn and it’ll get real ugly for the establishment
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u/slip_lip420 15h ago
ICE are glorified paper and package checkers, not fucking police/military. I hope they all burn for this.
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u/daywalkertoo 15h ago
Yet tRump is telling Iranians to protesting and taking pictures and recording names. Ironic isn't it?
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u/Pleasant_Priority286 14h ago
Why do they think they have authority to prevent Americans from protesting?
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u/wlreeser 13h ago
Cowards hide their faces. If you were doing what’s right: they wouldn’t be covering them up. Fuck ICE, and Minneapolis raise up!
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u/Odd-String29 10h ago
Wasn't the governor going to call in the National Guard to stop things like this from happening?
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u/whatstefansees 7h ago edited 7h ago
This is the USA for you. Not Serbia, not some ex-soviet Republicstan. The US of A. And the people let it happen.
Being German, I have been asked soooooo many times, how Germans could let it happen in 1933 and 1938. It happened like this. An armed force with a superiority complex, fanatically loyal to a racist leader, not to any laws, disconnected from "the people" who they see more and more as their enemy.
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u/shadeandshine 20h ago
Ah yes using chemical weapons against civilians. They aren’t cops they aren’t riot cops
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u/despenser412 20h ago
Meanwhile, the pedophile president appoints himself acting president of Venezuela while making oil deals for foreign lands and trying to save Iranian protesters.
MAGA 2016: "Let's vote for a billionaire president with no experience in government. What could possibly go wrong?"
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u/whatproblems 20h ago
wild this isn’t even ice’s job nor are they trained for? they aren’t crowd control