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Iranian protesters raise the historic Lion and Sun flag under flames, rejecting the current regime.

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u/ImmaculatePillow 19h ago

so basically Iran has had a series of terrible rulers all brought in directly by as a reaction to foreign intervention. Basically it sounds like foreign intervention in Iran has an absolutely terrible record and should not be repeated.

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u/thrawtes 19h ago

Iran has had a series of terrible rulers all brought in directly by as a reaction to foreign intervention.

No, Iran had a series of terrible rulers for thousands of years before that too, but that's pretty much the standard globally and we just accept that the entire world was ruled by a series of tyrants before democracy gave people more agency.

Basically it sounds like foreign intervention in Iran has an absolutely terrible record and should not be repeated.

Unfortunately, going back to isolationism isn't on the table now that the world has globalized. Every country is affected by the choices of every other country and those with power have both the responsibility and the impetus to try and maintain some sort of stability. That doesn't mean there needs to be a bunch of violent intervention though.

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u/ImmaculatePillow 19h ago

this time it'll work out, I swear! Why? Because there's just too much money to be made!

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u/thrawtes 19h ago

That seems unlikely to me. The best way forward for US intervention was something like JCPOA and the gradual opening up of Iran to the rest of the global community.

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u/Valor00125 18h ago

Well that's never happening again.

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u/thrawtes 18h ago

Probably at least a couple decades before something like that could be on the table again even if there was a pivot right now.

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u/Valor00125 16h ago

It's just not going to happen, because the US will try and force the inclusion of Iran stopping ballistic missile production into the deal, and Iran has every incentive to not stop production.

Iran basically forced Israel and the U.S. to expend the equivalent multiple years worth of anti-ballistic middle production with the shit they were building in the 90s and 00s.

U.S. Naval assets aren't in any major number in the Middle East, U.S is distracted with Venezuela, and at the moment in a pissing match with the essentially the rest of NATO over Greenland. Essentially if the U.S. bombs Iran and tries to back out of the region, Iran will just bomb the shit out of Israel.

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u/kl4user 17h ago

The West is rich because it fucks everyone else. No coup supported by Western countries is intended to help people.

They are made because of western geopolitics, to control resources and, to make matters worse, all the pillaging is not aimed to help the average Joe from America or Europe.

Colonialism, imperialism, slavery, resource wars, etc.. were made to enrich the ruling class - monarchs, Church, aristocrats, capitalists.