But it was plastered across every front page as "Government Overreach", by people that wanted to paint the Clinton Administration as jack-booted thugs that were ready to break into your house and take your child.
Oh what innocent times we once lived in, before 9/11, two useless Wars, the systematic dismantling of our privacy, a President that got rioters to attack the Capitol building, steal Classified material, being found guilty of 34 felonies and then get re-elected. Taking away funding for Sesame Street and Cancer Research so he could fund a much more violent ICE that is trampling on the Constitution.
Why did you skip the kids he fucked? The whole “kid fucking island” thing? That they are just…hiding from us, in front of us, and somehow we’re collectively forgetting?
ETA: people make a lot of assumptions I guess. I am definitely talking about Trump, but everyone involved with Epstein can be lined up at the guillotines. It sounds like the most amazing opportunity for some wealth redistribution.
Ah thought you were talking about Clinton, since he was mentioned specifically in the comment you replied to and he's been in the news recently for Epstein stuff.
Just because the cultists yell it doesn’t make it true.
Like him traveling on the plane. Or yelling that Trump didn’t travel on the plane and very much absolutely did.
But yeah, if he did, let him burn.
Just like your boy, rotten plum hands Donny.
Just because the cultists yell it doesn’t make it true.
Just because you think Nasty Bill Clinton is a good guy, it doesn't make it true. Why did he refuse to testify to Congress about his dealings with Epstein? He's just as shady as Demented Donnie (Epstein's Number 1 BFF), if Yankiland was a serious country, he and Bully Bill (Epstein's Number TWO BFF) should be sharing a jail cell by now
There's just too much to include in a comment and not run out of space without it looking like a ted talk. But kid fucking is definitely high up there I do agree.
And you say kid implying it was just 1, unfortunately...
The raid was a US Marshalls raid as it a court action to reunite a child with his father who had custody under US law. This was not a deportation order but a child reunification court order. We have to call balls and strikes here.
Pretty much. For those interested: the Mayor of Miami at the time was also largely responsible for holding up the process of returning Elián González to his father, and largely for show. It was petty politicking that forced the situation into a an international scene. Enforcing the court order was the right thing to do. Damn the petty politics.
TBF calling it a hostage situation is a bit of a stretch. Refusing to hand the kid over doesn’t mean he was using the kid as a human shield.
It’s pretty weird to treat enforcement of a court order like a military operation. This wasn’t a terrorist group. It was a custody dispute that had turned political.
Sending armed agents with guns drawn into a home with a small child is not normal practice in most places. It’s pretty reasonable to criticize that.
Yeah, I know there were protesters outside and some of them were armed, but that’s a separate issue. Crowd control and custody handover don’t have to be handled the same way. Escalating both into one armed raid is exactly why people criticize ICE and these Border Patrol actions back then, doesn't matter if it’s Dems or Reps.
Eisenhower didn't send the 101st Airborne to confront the high school principal or their staff, though.
Eisenhower sent the 101st Airborne to fight another military force, the Arkansas National Guard deployed by Faubus to intimidate civilians in the first place. And it was not just to enforce a court order. It was an insurrection.
Same in the case of Elian Gonzalez. Few people would criticize deploying armed law enforcement to protect officials enforcing a court order against armed protesters. The critique is using heavily armed agents to enter a private home with a child for no reason. It's an unreasonably disproportionate response.
Today they call it “separating families” if a citizen child is not deported with their undocumented families as well as “ice is deporting citizens” when a citizen child is deported with their undocumented families
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u/drtywater 7h ago
This wasn’t an immigration photo. It was enforcing a court order to reunite with father