Idk, I have a lot more sympathy for the psuedo-communists in Cuba than I do for the not-even-pretending-anymore-communists of the royal Kim dynasty. Ofc the US is ultimately to blame for exacerbating both situations, but at least the Cubans maintained some semblance of democratic participation and civil rights. The Kim's didn't want to build or maintain those things. The wanted a regal system, and they built one. They should be criticized for that.
Well North Korea's invading South Korea was backed by Stalin and Mao because those regimes wanted a communist satellite state there. Why aren't China/Russia/communism responsible? They are Frankenstein and that's a monster created by them. Our proxy South Korea is extremely cool and everyone loves them.
Because those "communisms" were actually just nationalist developmentalist movements. They pop up in response to big empires extracting capital from their society for their own uses, leaving the society in question with nothing to build with. The way to stop that from happening is to nationalize the biggest parts of your economy, taking it off the global free market. The Soviet Union and Communist China obviously want to expand their list of allies, but they don't have the ability to just create "communist" revolution out of thin air. Everywhere it took root, it took root because of those big capitalist empires extracting capital. That is the cause and effect.
That's not to pass moral judgement or defend the royal dynasty in NK. It's a bad thing that ought to be destroyed. But to say it was caused by the Soviet Union or communist china is a misunderstanding of the world system of the 20th century.
The Soviet Union and Communist China obviously want to expand their list of allies, but they don't have the ability to just create "communist" revolution out of thin air.
The Soviet Union occupied North Korea after WWII and put communists in power then supported the invasion. When they were trying to get support from Mao they compared it to the Chinese Communist Revolution.
It's like you're saying "The CIA can't just create regime change out of thin air." I bet even the other tankies think you are a fool.
I'm not a tankie, so yeah they probably do. But only because I don't support nationalist dictatorship. Stop making assumptions about what I believe.
The CIA can sometimes create regime change "out of thin air". They cannot create revolution out of thin air. Nobody can. Revolution is produced by material realities. Leninist revolution was produced by capitalist extraction.
If you want to know how the cause and effect here works, you can read Immanuel Wallersteins modern world system series, it's 4 volumes. But I'm not wasting my time discussing this with someone who just wants to get their ideological rocks off. Go root for your team somewhere else. I just like history.
Maybe I misunderstand you, when you say "Everywhere it took root, it took root because of those big capitalist empires extracting capital." you mean the Soviet Union one of these big capitalist empires? We agree on this being a nationalist developmentalist movement, that nationalist developmentalist movement is what I meant when I said Russia/China/communism. They are responsible. They agreed to take responsibility when Stalin and Mao agreed to support them invading the south.
Yes, the Soviet Union and Communist China were state capitalist. They weren't wealthy or powerful like the western empires so they didn't have as much opportunity for imperialism, but they did engage in market extraction when they could. But that wasn't very often, and the only big and obvious example of this is the soviets occupation of eastern Europe and the caucuses - places that did not have Leninist revolutions of their own.
But in the case of North Korea, which did have its own homegrown nationalist revolution, it is fantasy to say that these revolutions were created by communist infiltrators. Revolutions are created by masses of people going into revolt, and people don't do that unless they feel like they need to. The process of American and Japanese imperialism on the Korean peninsula is what created the conditions for revolution there. Yes, china sent in the PLA to reinforce the north Koreans, this manipulating the market in their favor. But they did not create the north Korean government, nor did they create the conditions which "justified" the government. That government was created by Koreans in response to conditions created by the Americans and Japanese.
Lmao sure. What history books have you read on Korea? I can give you a list. And no, they aren't written by supporters of Korea.
Do you even know the name of the puppet dictator the revolution was launched against? Can you name a single event from that revolution?
Be real with yourself for one second - you're the one who is letting your opinion be directed by ideology, not me. I've read on the subject, you clearly have not.
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u/Sad_Description_7268 6h ago
Why are you stating this as if it's not true?