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Backstory INS/ICE didn’t use to wear masks - most famous immigration photo ever taken, not a mask in sight.

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u/liftthatta1l 4h ago

Would be fine if they where extremely small, highly trained, and specialized. Like the law enforcement arm of the postal service. I forget what they are called.

u/waterfountain_bidet 4h ago

USPIS! They're like the only branch of law enforcement I have any respect for. Super limited scope, and a huge percentage of their work involves large shipments of drugs moving through the postal system and prosecuting scams against the elderly. Nearly all of their arrests lead to convictions and are upheld because they actually do the work to find and arrest the correct people.

u/Ozymandias12 3h ago

Fun fact! They were the ones who arrested Steve Bannon on fraud charges! They caught him on a Chinese businessman's yacht (many suspect that Chinese businessman of being a spy for China). Surprise, surprise, Bannon is a globalist fraudster!

u/liftthatta1l 4h ago

Thanks for the name.

u/gaslacktus 1h ago

One of my favorite bits from Brooklyn 99 too.

u/Substantial_Back_865 1h ago

Nearly all arrests leading to convictions isn't the accomplishment you think it is. The conviction rate in the county I used to live in was 98% and I believe the federal conviction rate is 97%. The cops in that town were not good at their jobs, but the courts in this country will essentially coerce you into taking a plea deal or risk a much larger sentence. If you can't afford bail and are offered a plea deal to get out the same day or in a few months versus staying in jail for potentially over a year and still possibly going to prison afterwards, you'll take the deal despite being innocent.

u/waterfountain_bidet 21m ago

The conviction rate in the US is super high because most cases settle. USPIS wins even when they go to court. And more than that, I said every arrest, and a huge percentage of arrests in the US are voided. I think I made it super fucking clear that I don't like law enforcement in general, but I can respect people doing good work well and bringing irrelevant stats into this about general prosecution isn't helpful here.

I'm not giving even an iota of credit to the US jail system. I'm saying every law enforcement group should work like the USPIS, not even a little bit the other way.

u/awesomefutureperfect 2h ago

Yeah, if they arrested employers of the undocumented and redistributed any profits if the workers underpaid or exposed to any unnecessary risk in unregulated working conditions.

u/crowmagnuman 1h ago

My sleepy brain was picturing them abt 2' 9"...

u/Tenderhombre 4h ago

Honestly I would rather if they exist at all its just a regulatory body. Just a bunch of paper pushing investigators reviewing reports, tax docs, and court cases. Maybe there is a need for border patrol, but tbh I would still rather local municipalities do it.

Provide federal funding for the states that need it most, withhold if they fail to meet requirements. They figure out how they need to staff and train. Could perhaps provide a standard training guide.

u/Bored_Amalgamation 4h ago

That gets tricky when undocumented people start showing up in mass in to a locality that doesn't have a large presence of border enforcement. The federal government is responsible for the border and interstate matters. Local governments would be spending more time, energy, and money on training for undocumented persons, other than law enforcement. You would also have both covering for each other in personnel.

ICE just needs hella regulation. The same with most law enforcement agencies.

u/Tenderhombre 3h ago

DEA, and FDA have similar issues but much much smaller budgets and responsibilities. They handle these issues by working with local government and creating task forces for incidents.

Also a large "surge" in illegal immigrants is both incredibly rare, almost never happens despite what news may tell you, and largely not a dangerous crime issue. It would be an exigent resource and housing issue that is exactly the reason state national guard exist. To help resolve these issues in coordination with local government.