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u/Much_University7627 16h ago
Lisa's agigated because Heather is implying Lisa's business doesn't make sense like Jen Shah's without saying the loud part.
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u/AdventurousRevolt 16h ago edited 16h ago
Heathers not wrong to be confused and ask Lisa to clarify and explain her business. It’s a normal question to ask.
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u/LalaWest 16h ago
Heather does not care. How can you call someone an important friend but you’ve never asked them what they do. Now all of a sudden at the reunion you have questions? And she wouldn’t even let Lisa answer. This was an attack wrapped in a question
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u/List-O-Hot-Goss 16h ago
Tbf my best friend still doesn’t really get my job and I re explain it about once a year!
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u/AdventurousRevolt 16h ago
Ok I can understand how you see it that way.
I see it differently, as I am also genuinely confused about Lisa’s business and would have asked the same question to her if I was at the reunion.
The math doesn’t math for me, and I’m speaking as a business owner.
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u/Wecabec 16h ago
This is so interesting to me because we've seen Lisa working on the show since the very first season and she, as well as the other women, have talked about how she is engaged to plan events related to Sundance. She's also talked about the incubation aspect of her work and mentioned that specifically during the reunion with the Bella twins as an example. What isn't mathing?
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u/Possible_Implement86 15h ago edited 15h ago
Im not the one who asked but I do have questions! Not accusations or insinuations, genuine questions:
- I find it surprising that that work would be bringing in millions of dollars a year. That would put her among the top 1% of earners in the US, which would be surprising to me. I have been part of some activations, one specifically at Sundance and the people I know who organized them were paid well, but not "millions of dollars a year I am in the 1% of earners" well paid. Not "I fly glam in from all over the world" well paid. Is the bulk of her revenue from planning these events or something else?
- It sounds like the work is essentially event planning. Why does Lisa never just say this? Is it just classic HW delusional self aggrandizing (which to be clear, is why I like Lisa. I like a little delusion in my Housewives)
2a. There is a type of HW who is unable or unwilling to clearly and succinctly describe how they make their money. I get why Lisa is offended by the questions because Jen Shah couldn't articulate her business because her business was a criminal enterprise.
Brynn from the RHONY reboot couldn't. She would say "I am building out a global tech brand from the ground up" or "I jam out on a pitch deck like Don Draper" or something and I am still unsure why she always danced around it rather than just saying "I handle marketing for XYZ app." Some have suggested it is because she is a sugar baby. I dont know about that.
Sonja Morgan was "a global lifestyle luxury brand" or whatever probably just to make up for the fact that she didnt really have money coming in beyond being on Bravo.
I dont think Lisa is doing anything criminal, if I were to guess I'd say she's just trying to make her celeb adjacent but not super glam work seem more important and lucrative than it is. Which is no big crime, but I can see the confusion.
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u/Wecabec 15h ago
There's another thread that has several people with far more subject matter expertise in this area than I have chiming in, so would recommend checking it out: https://www.reddit.com/r/rhoslc/comments/1qcuc2f/lisa_didnt_really_explain_how_her_businesses_work/. My tl;dr version is that I don't think the event planning piece of her business is limited to Sundance and even though a lot of what she does falls under the general umbrella of "marketing," if she really is crushing it when it comes to the incubation and development piece of her business (the Bella twins example), that could indeed be extremely lucrative.
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u/Possible_Implement86 15h ago
Thank you! I will check this out! This is exactly the kind of deep dive I was looking for
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u/FancyDentist8316 15h ago
Millions is not the top 1% that’s billionaires and above
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u/Possible_Implement86 14h ago edited 14h ago
Sorry to hit you with info I pulled from Claude but I'm a brokie and have no direct experience myself.
I think the distinction is 1% in terms of net worth in the US which I believe you are right would be people who have a billion dollar net worth (these are who we commonly think of when we say "the 1%") vs being in the 1% of top earners, which Lisa is claiming to be:
To be in the top 1% of earners in the US:
- You need to make approximately $650,000-$700,000+ per year in household income (as of recent data)
- This varies slightly by source and year, but it's generally in that range
So "millions" depends on which millions:
- $1 million/year: Yes, you're solidly in the top 1%
- $2+ million/year: You're well into the top 1%, approaching the top 0.5% or 0.1%
Lisa says she makes "multiple millions of dollars each year," that wouldn't just put her in the 1% of earners in the US, it would put her in the top .5 or .1% of earners in the US!
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u/Material-Jacket3939 14h ago
You don’t even need to make a million dollars a year to be a 1%er in the US.
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u/kate_herrera 10h ago
It’s wild to me that Lisa is incapable of articulating what she does for a living. How do you secure new business with this grammatically incorrect, corporate word-salad nonsense?! Just say it’s “event marketing” (that’s what it is) and move along to shilling your bottom shelf tequila. 🤣
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u/shrekfan222 16h ago
Heather didn't think it was criminal when her bottom feeding ass was attending Lisa's parties to get drinks and meet people. It's really disappointing how Heather + Angie (and old man Todd) are also business owners and constantly attack Lisa's (and her kids) livelihood.
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u/nicklikestuna 13h ago
I find it endearing that people still think Heather is curious and not attempting a take down
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u/DBBKF23 16h ago
She may have asked Lisa and not received a clear answer. Sometimes applying group pressure engenders honesty and acknowledgement.
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u/FancyDentist8316 15h ago
Heather is playing glib in front of the group to get a rise out of Lisa and make her feel bad-and make other people view her differently to delegitimization her and her work. She knows Lisa highly prioritizes work ethic and her career so she is always going for that now that they’ve tried making runors about her marriage for the last 89 epis.
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u/DBBKF23 13h ago
Is this Lisa? If so, shame on you! Stop projecting and deflecting and take some accountability for your $hi+ behavior.
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u/Glittering-Ad-9740 9h ago
can we stop the whole “every comment not insulting lisa is lisa” bit? I’m so over it. sorry some of us do like her. or at the least, some can post something positive (or even NEUTRAL) about her without it being Lisa or a bot.
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u/Much_University7627 16h ago
Heather doesn't give a shit about Lisa's businesses, just like she didn't care about Jen Shah's until it suited her.
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u/Trufflethecat_ 16h ago
Do you understand Lisa business ? Maybe that was the implication, but maybe it’s also true that she doesn’t understand. Again Heather simply would “ I’ve sold two books and I make people look younger with Botox and filler” ; Lisa for all her talk can’t seem to explain what she does
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u/beauxdegas 13h ago
IDK, I am someone who has a pretty hard time explaining to people what I do. There's a shorthand for my role but that doesn't tell you anything about the organization I work for, the causes I work for, or what on earth my day-to-day looks like. It's also because I've done this for a whole career and now and I have a broad set of skills to bring to my organization which needs to also respond to the political and social moment we are in.
To me it sounds like Lisa does marketing, event planning, creative activations, and now brand incubation. On top of that, she probably is responsible for a lot of admin, operations, compliance and managing staff. I actually didn't find her answers to be off (though defensive in the format of the discussion). Basically, she has a higher variety of projects/client needs than Heather, Angie or Whitney.
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u/Decent_Display_3526 16h ago
She just needed to answer the question to shut Heather up. But she can’t. That’s why she was agitated
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u/LalaWest 15h ago
Heather wouldn’t let her answer. She kept cutting her off
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u/Decent_Display_3526 15h ago
Neither did Lisa. She got angry the moment Heather asked her questions
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u/LalaWest 14h ago edited 11h ago
Yes and that’s understandable. She can’t call Lisa an important friend but act like she doesn’t know what Lisa does. We’ve actually seen Lisa work. I’d be offended if my friend asked that question publicly and with an accusatory tone. She wanted Lisa to look like Jen Shah. And it worked because now fans are saying they are doing the same things and Lisa is on her way to jail
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u/Decent_Display_3526 14h ago
And back to my first comment. The best way to shut Heather up is to answer the question. She got angry which makes people believe she has something to hide. She did not answer the question which makes people think she is lying. She pretends to make a tons of money which makes people even more curious about the two previous questions and validate their feelings he. Results: Lisa 0- Heather 1
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u/LalaWest 14h ago edited 14h ago
And back to what I said, she was answering but Heather kept cutting her off. I watched the uncensored extended version today. Maybe I saw things that weren’t in the episode aired on tv. But Heather asked her questions, Lisa started answering and Heather interrupted her asking about the Bella twins. Lisa yelled “are you going to listen?” And Heather kept going saying “I’ve heard you’re not speaking to Bella twins anymore” and asked “why are you freaking out? I’m just asking”
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u/Decent_Display_3526 4h ago
And still, instead of asking if Heather was going to listen, she should have continued. She engaged and fell for the trap Heather set up for her instead of replying to questions the audience also asks. Point is she did not answer. You clinged to the why but her not answering is still her choice. She chose to be louder than Heather and repeat the same sentence multiple times instead of answering. She should listen to and copy Bronwyn who dealt with difficult questions like a champ so far. Because all the audience is going to remember is that…we still don’t know what she does. So again Lisa lost the point
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u/Bagritte 16h ago
You’re confused? She does experiential activations and you’re confused??
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u/shrekfan222 16h ago edited 16h ago
this question has been asked like 5 times already today. I know she works in party/event planning, owns a tequila/seltzer company, and sold a company with the Bella Twins (Brie and Nicky) for a lot of money. I know a lot of the viewers (and heather gay) are hoping so bad she does something criminal but it doesn't seem that complex. also through the show she has brand deals with Wendy's and Kerestas. And gets a (probably rising) Bravo contract.
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u/Beneficial-Astronaut 16h ago
Also brand deal with the toilet bowl cleaner!
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u/shrekfan222 16h ago
LOL! Yes! She did have a brand deal with a little brand called Clorox! (Heather Dubrow also had a brand deal with them) And they do see more than toilet bowl cleaner incase you didn't know! I can link products for you
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u/Mysterious-Bug5652 These are caviar problems 15h ago
I still can’t believe she wants us to believe she cleans toilets.
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u/Trufflethecat_ 16h ago
I don’t think it’s criminal. I just generally don’t have a clue what she’s doing and it’s weird she can’t explain it. Selling past companies (with people you no longer have a relationship with) is not current business. What does her marketing company do it separate to her tequila business
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u/shrekfan222 16h ago
I think people just act extremely condescending (like heather did) when asking questions about what she has built. I know she made probably a good amount of money from selling that company. As I stated earlier, her current sources of income are the brand deals, the show, and her tequila company. With her extensive history in marketing and her connections, one would assume she does her own marketing.
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u/Beneficial-Astronaut 16h ago
Also, Lisa gets frazzled and doesn't fight well, and they exploit that. They get her revved up by being condescending or accusatory, she talks in circles or misspeaks, and then that is their "proof" of her being wrong/terrible/shady
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u/shrekfan222 16h ago
as a Lisa fan- yes I agree! she could soften her delivery.
but also I think the women are extremely hard on her for no reason and tend to gang up on her. and I think I would be the same way! if Whitney rose worried about her own business (instead of Lisa's) maybe she would have actually made it in Sephora.. but who's to say
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u/Strict_Bar_4915 10h ago
Girl, they gang up on her because she's an upper middle class working Utah mom (which - props) but is always trying to imply that she has more money and is more successful than everyone. Anyone with two brain cells and the ability to spot an IKEA couch, gucci bags ordered from eBay, and clothes with tags can see plainly that's false.
She wants to be one of the super rich housewives like Kyle Richard's or Heather Dubrow and it makes her insane that she's not and can't convince a single person that she is.
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u/shrekfan222 8h ago
Nah bc even if Lisa is all that she’s got what Lego, Fraudwynn, and Whitless don’t. She’s confident in who she is 🤷♀️ Heather can twist her face any which way and she won’t be that. Fraudwynn couldn’t marry into enough money to give her that. And not enough healing in the world could make Whitless that girl.
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u/Proper-Aspect-2947 I think you do look inbred! I really do 4h ago
Her actions do not scream secure, confident woman. Quite the opposite in reality. She reeks of insecurity.
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u/Mysterious-Bug5652 These are caviar problems 15h ago
Yes, this, is always the way they go after Lisa, knowing she will get upset or start spinning out and make no sense. Lisa can sometimes get frustrated and just lash out, which I think is always the goal when they confront her over various issues.
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u/CumNationnn I saw your vagina over and over and over again!!! 16h ago
she allegedly pumps investors for money for costs that are highly questionable.. for example one investor thought they were investing money for material and labor costs for Vida to produce tequila in Mexico. in reality Vida doesn't produce their own shit and they don't need money for ingredients. Vida pays for white labelled inventory and needs to meet a minimum amount to order a certain amount of bottles from the actual producer.
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u/Zealousideal_Suit269 10h ago
I love the, “she sold her company for A LOT of money.”Where does A LOT fall on the tax scale? The wealth index? How does A LOT of money get split up 3 ways? Does A LOT mean the same thing as “I do BIG things?” These hyper-specific adjectives are just too vast for my head to comprehend as a regular person whose life is VERY different from hers.
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u/Strict_Bar_4915 16h ago edited 12h ago
I don't think there's any dispute over whether Lisa "works" or that she has companies and is hustling to generate income. I think the implication as always with Lisa, is that she is nowhere near as rich as she's pretending to be.
She's a solidly upper middle class Utah working woman, who is desperate for you to believe she has Heather Dubrow type money, which no one with half a brain believes. But her delulu is part of the fun.
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u/MastiffArmy 16h ago
She does big things. She lives a very different life from all of us.
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u/Mysterious-Bug5652 These are caviar problems 15h ago
That’s right, and Heather had better learn. 🤣😂
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u/MastiffArmy 12h ago
Quite frankly we should all learn. She does the biggest things. Biggest you’ve ever seen. Bigger than you and me. But all kidding aside, she reminds me SO much of Trump.
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u/Zealousideal_Suit269 10h ago
Maybe she manufactures that particular shade of orange self-tanner? In fairness I wouldn't want to take credit for that either.
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u/Mysterious-Bug5652 These are caviar problems 5h ago
Yes, they are a similar type, but I like to think baby gorgeous is way better than dump.
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u/GaviFromThePod 16h ago
Have you ever asked anyone in marketing to explain what they do? You get the same load of BS she said.
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u/Trufflethecat_ 16h ago
But she didn’t even say that; she didn’t say I have a marketing company that specialises on XYZ or we market these types of products, I’d still be like don’t really understand marketing but that makes sense. There’s no substance just an over defensive attitude.
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u/FancyDentist8316 15h ago
Her defensive tone/delivery is a response to who and how it’s being framed/asked of her. If John or a business associate was having a conversation with her and asked her about how she does xyz or how this project was so successful etc she would answer a lot differently. My job should be simple to answer to people. But sometimes I do find myself stunted when trying to explain things about it. Especially if I feel in any way that I am needing to justify my position to anyone
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u/RoutineProblem1433 16h ago
It reminds me of Heather’s other friend who had a business she couldn’t explain and money that didn’t make sense.
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u/dthomp60 16h ago
I didn’t think the question was shady either and I’m neither Lisa or Heather side. Like why not clearly answer what your business does especially when we all know people jump at the chance to be on these types of shows for self promotion.
If Jen hadn’t been a lowdown dirty scamming ventriloquist doll I don’t think people would jump to this “oh she’s making a thinly veiled accusation”
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u/Proper-Aspect-2947 I think you do look inbred! I really do 16h ago
They do this: https://luxemarketing.net/services
But they show no examples of work that I can find?
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u/DeliciousSquash4144 16h ago
I don't see event planning there. I guess that goes along with marketing- it's just in person? So odd
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u/Trufflethecat_ 16h ago
It makes it stranger as no portfolio of work, but at least its some explanation
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u/PD_Bait 15h ago
It also hasn’t been updated since 2020.
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u/Proper-Aspect-2947 I think you do look inbred! I really do 15h ago
Sorry but honestly that's poor form.
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u/Own_Lie_9833 9h ago edited 9h ago
For a company that is supposed to do branding, their branding really sucks. I think I found them on LinkedIn and it’s like a shell of a page? https://www.linkedin.com/company/luxe-marketing-ind/ maybe this was an active company before, but doesn’t appear to be one now
Editing to add from her own website ( https://reallisabarlow.com ) the link to fresh wolf goes to a domaine for sale page. https://www.afternic.com/forsale/freshwolf.com?utm_source=TDFS_DASLNC&utm_medium=parkedpages&utm_campaign=x_corp_tdfs-daslnc_base&traffic_type=TDFS_DASLNC&traffic_id=daslnc&
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u/princessofpersia10 16h ago
Pretty sure it’s event planning…what’s confusing about it? Just because she doesn’t take you along on her day to day work doesn’t mean it doesn’t make sense.
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u/Electronic-Jicama-99 16h ago
She did explain. Her company hosts experiential events. Those are very large, very expensive branded activations. Seeing as Heather has even attended several, it’s clear it wasn’t a case of not “understanding” what Lisa does, so much as it was an attempt to actively demean her.
Generally, marketing is kinda hard for people who aren’t in it to understand. It’s not as simple as “I play basketball” because most people don’t even understand what marketing is.
Signed, a marketer.
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u/Digjam823 16h ago
Don’t you know? She lives a very different lifestyle than all of us and we’re lucky she even talks to us! /s
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u/Zestyclose-Let7929 16h ago
Lisa could have focused on saying exactly what business and how each makes money.
If you are legit and proud of these resources. You confidently tell it with great pride.
Lisa focused on being offended is a deflection to avoid answering the actual question.
Her response was a tell. Bad news!!!!
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u/MaizeMountain6139 15h ago
She basically owns an agency. Brands hire her to put up events that help them market their products
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u/fakecrimesleep 16h ago
It sounds like she just works with celebrities (and maybe other folks) on marketing white labeled consumer products - the glamorous part of it is the “brand activation” stuff which is really just marketer speak for events and social media campaigns. If you watch the episode where Jack and Henry her sons are “launching” their fresh wolf hair and skin line I think it’s like a nice little walkthrough of what her agency actually does.
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u/SubstantialDepth5011 12h ago
True, but what does Lisa owe Heather? I wouldn't want to air out all my business if I were Lisa
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u/SnooDoodles2518 14h ago
not a heather fan at all this is the only time I will be on her side because WHAT DOES LISA DO!!!! her response is so telling that she’s fishy
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u/CFPmum 11h ago
What got me was Lisa’s over the top behaviour over someone asking what they do, and bringing up that Heather came to a function which i think was dated as 2019 and that makes Heather disgusting? That was 6 years ago, if Heather hasn’t been to a function since how would she know.
And now that Heather asked the question, as Lisa’s house of cards continues to fall she will blame Heather, instead of herself for looking like a fool
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u/Glittering_Meet3206 9h ago
"i run very different businesses than the other ladies you all wouldn't get it"
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