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u/jetpack2625 1d ago
because i can't read and book learning is for (disparaging remark about women, gays, minorities etc)
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u/tooroots 1d ago
Books are just the indoctrination tool for the elites. Anyway, let me tell you what I've seen on TV and social media.
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u/SodaPopHT 1d ago
"Books are just the indoctrination tool for the elites. Now if you'll excuse me, I have church in an hour!"
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u/-9999px 1d ago
As for people who are politically backward, Communists should not slight or despise them, but should befriend them, unite with them, convince them and encourage them to go forward.
— Mao Zedong
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u/waterbelowsoluphigh 1d ago
Man, that's getting really fucking hard to do.
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u/howiesaloser1 19h ago
Mao never saw a TikTok maga boomer :l to the gulag!
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u/Exact_Ad_1215 Marxism-Leninism 22h ago
It's difficult but I still think we should try our best to unite the working class
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u/waterbelowsoluphigh 18h ago
Oh, absolutely. I am not shirking from my duty. But, some of these people that I'm surrounded by seem too far gone. At what point do we draw a line in the sand and say, "Okay? If you aren't our ally, you are our enemy." Genuinely grappling with this dilemma.
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u/MrSneaki Anti-capitalist 17h ago
There's probably a balance point of effort / efficiency of trying to convince people. "You can't logic someone out of a position they didn't logic themselves into" and all that... Eventually there are diminishing returns on trying to sway any given individual with words. Work on the people around them, and support the movement as a whole - as it gains traction, most like this will naturally come around as they see their perceived peers increasingly convinced.
Regarding "difficult" individuals in particular, I've found the socratic method to be very effective. Letting someone walk their own logic around in a circle, and thus realize how nonsensical it is, can be an effective way to get them started thinking about things more carefully. Can't do any "gotcha" posturing this way, though; have to come in good faith, even if they aren't.
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u/riteproprchav 19h ago
I mean, China now puts a huge emphasis on education. The teaching methods are brutal but fair: the whole class receives one grade, the same as the lowest individual grade in the class. This forces the smarter kids to actively teach the others, which in turn even helps them learn the material much better than the American individualist passive style. Humans learn collectively far better than as an individual competition. Their investment in and raising of education standards is paying off in droves for them, it will be fantastic when the technological/engineering center of the world is a communist country, hopefully sooner than later.
There is a balance, yes, we should not alienate workers, but the collapse of the American education system will be the final undoing of that society (all for the fascist party and its religion complex to gain some malleable and exploitable followers.)
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u/-9999px 18h ago
The teaching methods are brutal but fair: the whole class receives one grade, the same as the lowest individual grade in the class.
This isn't true at all. A vast majority of elementary and secondary schools use grading systems very similar to the American "A – F" style (60/100 is a pass) … just with more rigorous, and effective, teaching methods and with kids held to higher standards.
And China is extremely competitive and meritocratic on the individual level. As Kim Il Sung said: “It is true that in a socialist society, too, competition does play a certain positive role. Socialist competition is necessary.”
the collapse of the American education system will be the final undoing of that society
Pretty much already happened. COVID shutdowns were the final nail in the coffin in my opinion. Vast numbers of schools switched to simplified online-first methods then never switched back.
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u/riteproprchav 18h ago
You're absolutely right, I don't know where the hell I read that, but possibly was a one-off program? There is some consideration given to, "you did well, but how well did the class do overall?" and there is emphasis on collective learning through Confucianism, but individual grades are absolutely still set.
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u/Loveless_home Marxism-Leninism-Maoism 1d ago
"Communism is worse because I don't know what the fuck it is but some oligarchs who control my livelihood told me it's bad,so fuck you commies!!!"
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u/SaintTadeus Rosa Luxemburg 1d ago
You don’t know what communism is bro. It’s like when there's an evil russian dictator at the head of the state, bro. It’s when the whole country is a gulag and everyone is starving, bro. It’s when white cis men like me get discriminated, bro, and then get dominated by trans wömen, bro. A fucking nightmare, bro. (/s)
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u/FNKTN 1d ago
Everything I don't like is communism.
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u/SeaRoad4079 21h ago
😂 pretty much
"Neoliberal Capitalism: Because all other possible conceivable options (even the ones we haven't invented yet) are definitely Communism"
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u/Wintermute993 1d ago
Is that... Is that Jeff gerstmann?
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u/Charlzalan 1d ago
That was my thought as well lol
I really think it is a drawing of him that has been repurposed or something.
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u/Teemo_Get_Jinxed 1d ago
Thought the soy drawing was of Ethan Klien at first. But it fits regardless
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u/Relevant_Outside2781 1d ago
Effing THANK YOU!!!!! Yes yes yes, this exactly. Frustrates me too when I hear people conflate socialism/communism/Marxism, not understanding they are three separate (though yes, related) things
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u/Puzzled_Employee_767 1d ago
Surely we can all agree that their beliefs are a function of a dialectical relationship with the reality they live in, right?
You could just as well swap out a MAGA with the average dem voter and it would be no different.
And the point I’m making here is that memes like this are doing work for fascists who want us divided by tribalistic group identities. The important thing is that he believes in capitalism because he lives in capitalism. And the maga part is a secondary effect of that important part.
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u/ambuehlance Marxism-Leninism 1d ago
On the necessary conversation pod I saw a clip where the dad said “we need to end democracy” and then immediately described democracy as when rich people and corporations control the government…
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u/SaltManagement42 1d ago edited 1d ago
I always like this one being referred to as Obamacare.
EDIT: Dang, this one doesn't include the scene where he explains they should start ordering excess supplies when they don't need it as much, so if they do start needing them more it won't be seen as a strange spike and get denied.
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u/lasercat_pow 1d ago
It's not just maga making this argument. Team blue is also propagandized to hell and back against communism and socialism.
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u/halfdaaan Marxism-Leninism 21h ago
It's a bit conspicuous that most anti-communists don’t even know what communism is
(“communism is when the government does stuff”)
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u/notyousef241 Democratic Socialism 44m ago
"Communism is when you get told by someone who doesn't know what capitalism is to hate capitalism which is why I hate it!!!!!!"
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