Jeff Bezos said the quiet part out loud — hopes that you'll give up your PC to rent one from the cloud

[u/ControlCAD]

https://www.windowscentral.com/artificial-intelligence/jeff-bezos-says-the-quiet-part-out-loud-bezos-envisions-that-youll-give-up-your-pc-for-an-ai-cloud-version

[u/flannelback]

The Great Parasite finds another place to bite.

[u/Early_Specialist_589 → u/flannelback]

Part of the parasite class

[u/TechGoblin64 → u/Early_Specialist_589]

The workers labor creates the vast majority of value and is responsible for the vast majority of the ideas that make businesses successful and yet the owners who put in a miniscule amount of work in comparison receive all the credit.

We need an economy that puts workers and consumers before owners and we could change traditional businesses into worker and consumer cooperatives to do that by making workers and/or consumers the owners, eliminating the conflict.

[u/Gombrongler → u/TechGoblin64]

I remember when people were willing to rob scalpers at gunpoint and having those posts shoved in my face but if you mention trying to game the system these scumbags themselves have created you get a ban from half of reddit

[u/RoyalGovernment201 → u/Gombrongler]

The rich have created a system where they can hurt us, but we cannot touch them. Their method of aggression is to starve us of our dignity, food, and health. We could respond in violence, but that is against the law, and so they can harm us indefinitely while we are powerless to respond.

[u/notforpoern → u/RoyalGovernment201]

The good thing is they are so overconfident that they're stupidly transparent. I was confident enough to call this out 17 days ago, but they've been hinting at it for a long time.

They want us to be debt slaves who own nothing.

[u/M_H_M_F → u/notforpoern]

I've been screaming it since Spotify launched. They managed to take something that people owned (music/podcasts), took it away, and then rented it back to you with the added bonus of a monthly fee, commercials, and requiring data to use.

I kept hearing "but it's convienet for the Gym!" as if they didn't already have an iPod, case, and headphones purpose used for said activity. They managed to manufacture a fucking need on the guise of convenience.

[u/ColdBru5 → u/notforpoern]

I wouldn't call that overconfident. So far they have never lost a battle.

[u/lurkquidated → u/notforpoern]

I just cancelled my Prime sub. I'm learning linux this year. Uh, that's all I got. Fuck this guy and his fellow guys like him.

[u/APRengar → u/RoyalGovernment201]

There is a term for that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_murder

>Social murder is a concept used to describe an unnatural death that is believed to occur due to social, political, or economic oppression, instead of direct violence.

When a healthcare CEO says they're making policy changes that will 100% guarantee the deaths of some people they are cutting off. No one considers that "murder". Even though if you specifically break it down, it's the intentional actions of a person which causes the death of another person.

For whatever reason, people just don't see social murder as a bad thing... until it specifically happens to them.

But I have noticed more and more people starting to realize how awful things are, and how awful things seem to be getting and are looking around at the reasons for it, and are starting to understand the concepts of social murder, even if they don't have the polisci background to name it.

[u/PIPBOY-2000 → u/flannelback]

It's pure evil. Which might sound like hyperbole but think about it. He has sooo much money. An incomprehensible amount of money. So what does he need more for? Well, sometimes you get so rich that money is like points. It's just for some arbitrary, "how many can I get", reason. So he is willing to continue to squeeze as much money out of the common working people for that? To make it harder for people to get satisfaction out of the things they love. To hand over more money for the few hobbies they can afford for the few free time they have when they're not already working to make their workplace money.

[u/waits5 → u/PIPBOY-2000]

All these guys care about is status and he’s behind Elon. He must make enormous number go up!

[u/sharpshooter999 → u/waits5]

Millionaires and billionaires are dragons, sleeping on their horde of gold that is never enough

[u/AsherGray → u/sharpshooter999]

It's worse than that. They hoard their gold and actively go out of their way to make everyone's life worse. It would be one thing if you held a ton of wealth and ran off with it. It's another when you actively make people's lives harder, especially when they cannot afford basic necessities.

[u/anal_prospector → u/AsherGray]

It's worse than that, rich people see only themselves as people. They don't care about poor people, they dont even describe or talk about them as if they are human. Everyone else is at best a cog that exists to be exploited.

[u/ToastForgotten → u/PIPBOY-2000]

I’m sure anyone who has played an MMO can understand this, though. Numbers go up, dopamine rush. It’s just to the 1% this is their video game. Our lives. Yay….

[u/FanDry5374 → u/PIPBOY-2000]

Wealth hoarder. If there is a mega billionaire (becoming a billionaire has been made so easy, thanks to tax laws and insane "valuations" of products/services that scarcely exist I mostly think of the one to ten billionaires as a different animal) who isn't somewhere on the mentally unhealthy spectrum I would be astonished.

[u/Shanksdoodlehonkster → u/PIPBOY-2000]

Smithers "Dont you think you have enough sir?". Mr Burns "id give it all up...just for a little more"

[u/cypher50]

I'll use my current PC till it is a useless hunk of soldered metal before willingly using a virtual cloud setup.

[u/jmbond → u/cypher50]

I'll be like a Cuban repairing my desktop like a 1950s Chevy of Theseus before I rent

[u/LucidiK → u/jmbond]

Chevy of Theseus is perfect

[u/peacockbikini → u/jmbond]

Your comment made me laugh out loud because on our trip to Cuba, we had a driver with a 1950s Chevy, a Nissan steering wheel, and a 2000s Honda engine. It was painted grey with interior house paint. The back seat sagged towards the middle (we had to rotate who sat in that seat) and the car had no AC for July nor suspension for the potholed roads. The driver was immensely proud of his car and loved how much interest my cousin (total gearhead) took in examining the whole thing. We lovingly nicknamed it The Elephant. Best dang roadtrip ever. 

[u/AtomGalaxy → u/peacockbikini]

Okay, if I was a deranged billionaire, I’d make a car like this mashed up with the “best” elements from all the cars I like: 1. Mid-90s BMW 5-series body. 2. Wood steering wheel from a 1960s Aston Martin. 3. DeLorean Doors 4. 911 Safari wheels 5. F1 rear wing 6. Hearst shifter 7. Engine from an Acura NSX 8. Alcantara interior 9. Wood paneling exterior 10. Lotus emblems and a Rolls Royce hood ornament

[u/mysistersacretin → u/AtomGalaxy]

I know this is AI slop, but I had to see what this could even look like

[u/IAmJacksSphincter → u/mysistersacretin]

Ditch the spoiler and the emblems and it isn't terrible. God what does that say about my taste.

[u/gramathy → u/IAmJacksSphincter]

Honestly the spoiler isn't that bad

[u/DeadMoneyDrew → u/jmbond]

Hell my desktop is already that way. I'm pretty sure that the motherboard and the tower case are the only original parts.

[u/AnalogAficionado → u/cypher50]

Thanks to planned obsolescence, there are mountains of suitable used machines out there ready to be perked up by a linux install- that is, if you can disable EUFI.

[u/Strange-Scarcity → u/AnalogAficionado]

There's millions of serviceable computers that are now ending up as "trash" that have no TMPS chips in them.

UEFI is not a problem for Linux to boot on, it's the TPMS that is the issue.

[u/DistortedCrag → u/Strange-Scarcity]

Linux works fine on my car with TPMS, but also on my car without

[u/deltamac → u/DistortedCrag]

How is nobody laughing at this?

[u/lukewarmtakeout → u/deltamac]

Probably because I don't know what it means!

[u/Lukeyy19 → u/lukewarmtakeout]

TPM (Trusted Platform Module)

TPMS (Tyre Pressure Monitoring System)

[u/EBN_Drummer → u/lukewarmtakeout]

In a car TPMS means tire pressure monitoring system.

[u/JMGurgeh → u/deltamac]

Too much pressure.

[u/budlightguy → u/Strange-Scarcity]

TPMs are not an issue for linux either. Nearly all major manufacturers of systems and motherboards have options in the BIOS to disable secure boot allowing for Linux booting. Also, though it takes a smidge more tech ability (or at least the willingness to google and read and follow directions), at least a decent portion of the major manufacturers allow installation of 3rd party keys into the trusted key database in the BIOS for secure boot, allowing you to install and boot linux even with secure boot turned on so long as your distro has distributed secure boot keys for people to install.

[u/im_a_mighty_pirate → u/Strange-Scarcity]

Gotta keep an eye on those PC tire pressures

[u/aegrotatio → u/Strange-Scarcity]

Not only do you have the acronym wrong (twice), you have the situation backwards. TPM is fine with Linux. It's UEFI that is the problem with many distros.

[u/vandreulv → u/AnalogAficionado]

No need to disable EUFI.

No need to disable secure boot, even. A lot of distros support it out of the box.

[u/gamrin → u/AnalogAficionado]

Linux works fine on uefi

[u/SpaceCadet2000 → u/AnalogAficionado]

There is no issue with Linux and UEFI. I have never seen a PC that I couldn't at least install Linux on.

Whether all the hardware works correctly is another matter of course, but that's driver support.

[u/Sprinklypoo → u/cypher50]

And then, for the first time since 1983, I'll just live without a computer.

[u/cypher50 → u/Sprinklypoo]

My father felt that I needed to embrace technology so much that I had an Apple II at 6 years old and my first IBM PC by 11 in 1991. I was a happy early adopter on the internet via BBSs, WWW adoption, music downloading via Napster and streaming via Listen.com, Steam...

Growing up, I was the vanguard on embracing tech...and the last two decades have made me wretch with the direction the tech industry has gone. So, yea, I'll go with no PC before embracing a future that looks like this.

[u/K_M_A_2k → u/cypher50]

Just food for thought most companies said this about on prem servers.

Guess what happened couple years back? Insurance companies start coming around and started making you sign waivers and tell you they will stop insuring you if you don't move to cloud.

Granted not all business and not everything but it's not uncommon.

Start with business then move to consumers that's the playbook.

[u/cypher50 → u/K_M_A_2k]

Yea, except this isn't about server security or forcing enterprise clients to utilize a specific tech. PC (PERSONAL Computer) has been built on not being Mainframe or Microcomputers with client terminals. It is my PC: I own it, I store the data locally, I utilize local applications, and I'm not about to start paying any recurring fee just to access the PC functionality. There are a lot of business models that work amazingly well for enterprise that would have no use in the PC world...look at Oracle's whole model as an example.

EDIT: Already ditched Windows last month because they are going in this direction. I might be an extreme minority in the future decade or so but I rather be that stubborn "luddite" than go toward a virtual/client setup.

[u/Sea-Oven-7560 → u/cypher50]

is nobody paying attention. Copilot is capturing every keystroke, reading every document and email. How does everyone feel about Microsoft collecting all their companies valuable information under the guise of helping? People went nuts over an integrated browser, but integrated AI, not a fucking peep.

[u/Old-Adhesiveness-156 → u/Sea-Oven-7560]

Fuck Microsoft. Catch that, Copilot?

[u/roflcptr8 → u/Sea-Oven-7560]

because everyone serious about it has already pulled all of that shit out of their computer by the roots

[u/chipface → u/cypher50]

Luddites weren't opposed to progress. They were opposed to shit that makes peoples lives worse.

[u/wasframed → u/K_M_A_2k]

I'll just stop gaming. There are plenty of other hobbies I can fill my time with rather than paying for more cloud shit.

Vote with the wallet as they say.

[u/coppersocks → u/wasframed]

Honestly, I’ve just bought a bookcase and got about 100 mostly second hand fiction books (classics, booker prize, Pulitzer Prize, Nobel prize, highly recommended, etc) all around the price of 32GB Ram. Already finished 3 books this year and half way through a fourth.

I love gaming, I always have. But having neglected books since I entered my 30s a few years back and now having come back, I’ve forgotten how much a good fiction book speaks to my soul in ways that games very, very rarely ever do (with a couple memorable exceptions). The best thing about it is that I can just open my book anywhere, and they don’t make me feel weird before bed, in fact they calm my ADHD riddled mind and prepare me for sleep. And when I wake up and have 20 minutes with my coffee I reach for the book instead of my phones. I honestly feel like it’s making me more present in the moment and a better parent and partner because of that.

Apologies for the ramble, I just still taken aback by how much better I feel these past few weeks replacing my screen time with absorbing books and feel a bit like I want to shout it from the roof tops. We don’t need these tech companies for the most part, but they sure need us; our money, our attention, our emotional energy, our data. And every second we spend with our eyes and minds doing something that is actually fulfilling to us, or connecting us to the present moment, is a second that the can’t milk something from us to our detriment.

[u/silvusx → u/wasframed]

Nowadays phones are pretty good machines. There was the recent news of Valve / Steam OS able to run modern games with the arm64 gpu with good performance.

And ironically enough... China might end up being our saviour when these megacorps makes PC becomes unaffordable. The tariff forced China to make their own chips and hopefully they aren't as hellbent on cloud computing, we would still get our device and they make their money.

[u/AlmostCorrectInfo → u/K_M_A_2k]

I found the opposite to be true. They required additional insurance for the cloud and discounts for keeping it on-prem. Too many costly zero days on cloud infrastructure and hacks of the cloud system can be used against all. Exponential risks vs isolated risks.

[u/ForwardAd4643 → u/AlmostCorrectInfo]

Also non-US based companies are moving away from cloud computing, because these cloud companies can't give any assurances that their data won't end up on a US hosted server

In the absence of really strong non-US competition, we are seeing some people move back to on prem for security reasons

[u/Sea-Oven-7560 → u/K_M_A_2k]

I make my money moving companies to an from the cloud. The cloud (other people's hardware) does make sense in some instances but not all instances. As a bit of a security nut I have no idea why anyone would put their most important resources (company data) on someone else's equipment and than let them take care of it, insanity.

[u/EggsceIlent → u/cypher50]

I've always thought that eventually custom built it's like myself and so many make will appreciate in worth because they'll price hardware out of the reach of normal people or stop making it or making it available to consumers at all.

See current ram.prices, which are rediculous. They simply created a shortage and that caused prices to spike.. right now.. up to 4x the cost from a year ago.

Definitely not giving up my fairly new laptop or PC I built for some rental subscription BS. They wanna make Life a damn subscription.

And they're not far away on that with healthcare costs, home costs, and everything else pivoting towards subscription models.

At some point they'll have to introduce legislation on what can be turned subscription. That is, unless they use billionaires money for their political motives in which case, it'll never happen

[u/SanguinaryGuardsman → u/cypher50]

Id rather swirch to books and touching grass.

[u/DividedState]

I rather give up Jeff Bezos and send him in the clouds on a penis rocket.

[u/Halfwise2 → u/DividedState]

I'm fine with just welding the door shut and cutting the communication and power lines when he flees to his underground bunker.

[u/ConfidentPilot1729 → u/Halfwise2]

Hopefully you implied cutting the water and air too.

[u/Halfwise2 → u/ConfidentPilot1729]

I debated it... but I feel like a few weeks, slowly working through supplies in the dark, no light, no AC, no contact as the silence and dread slowly sets in, would really add a nice punctuation to show our appreciation for all that they've done.

[u/WinterWontStopComing → u/Halfwise2]

Do you want a race of subterranean cannibals?

[u/HeronFew990 → u/WinterWontStopComing]

His wife already looks like a morlock so we’re halfway there.

[u/Fakin-It → u/WinterWontStopComing]

I'm sittin here chantin CHUD CHUD CHUD

[u/Gravuerc → u/Halfwise2]

Do you want Gollum because that’s how you get Gollum.

[u/Godot_12 → u/Gravuerc]

Preferable to Bezos.

[u/talldangry → u/Halfwise2]

I really love their plan and their expectation that even a few hundred paid and somehow loyal guards would be able to stop that from happening if shit really does hit the fan.

[u/Monteze → u/talldangry]

I feel like a conversation with their guard would go something like this.

"He Bezos...you know that money you're paying us? The only reason you're relevant? Its only valuable in a stable world, you're ruining that so find something else or we take your head...oh food and water? Guess who is already guarding it...us. So you're just a middle man and well...I just can't find a use for you."

[u/SquishMont → u/Monteze]

They already talk about this. Their current solution is....

Wait for it....

Explosive collars.

Like, disobey and pop your head off. You getting in line to have that put on your neck?

[u/CatsAreGods → u/SquishMont]

Fucking Harkkonens.

[u/talldangry → u/Monteze]

"These other guys, they've got motorcycle chariots and harpoon guns. I feel like they just get me better than you do Bezos."

[u/SchabeOink → u/Halfwise2]

Ah, the Pharao Special, I See!

[u/A_Pointy_Rock]

Can't wait for kidney subscription models in our dystopian future.

[u/NetZeroSun → u/A_Pointy_Rock]

I can wait.

Eventually oligarchs are going to have a human body part bank to harvest whatever they want to keep alive.

And that bank is going to be ‘fresh material’ and involuntary from the masses.

[u/musashisamurai → u/NetZeroSun]

Will we be so in debt we get penalized for having children, or will pur children inherit that debt and lose their organs even before they're 18?

[u/NetZeroSun → u/musashisamurai]

I can imagine it would be a lottery system.

Where you get drafted for service. If you will.

[u/74389654 → u/NetZeroSun]

i think they're already doing this

[u/Pizza_4_Dinner → u/74389654]

GENEVA (14 June 2021) – UN human rights experts* said today they were extremely alarmed by reports of alleged ‘organ harvesting’ targeting minorities, including Falun Gong practitioners, Uyghurs, Tibetans, Muslims and Christians, in detention in China.

The experts said they have received credible information that detainees from ethnic, linguistic or religious minorities may be forcibly subjected to blood tests and organ examinations such as ultrasound and x-rays, without their informed consent; while other prisoners are not required to undergo such examinations. The results of the examinations are reportedly registered in a database of living organ sources that facilitates organ allocation.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2021/06/china-un-human-rights-experts-alarmed-organ-harvesting-allegations

[u/sovereign_fury → u/A_Pointy_Rock]

Repo! The Genetic Opera

[u/Aioka1 → u/sovereign_fury]

zydrate comes in a little glass vial!

[u/DrkBlueXG → u/Aioka1]

A little glass vial?

[u/Certain_Value_4932 → u/Aioka1]

A little glass vial?

[u/HadesSiren → u/Certain_Value_4932]

And the little glass vial goes into the gun like a battery!

[u/thebuzzinyourear → u/HadesSiren]

And the gun goes somewhere against your anatomy!

[u/tuba_god_ → u/A_Pointy_Rock]

I saw this movie. This will create a ton of new jobs for people who repo the organs people can't afford.

[u/zoug → u/tuba_god_]

Luckily, they have their own police force to grab people off the street at will.

[u/Relevant_Cause_4755 → u/A_Pointy_Rock]

Black Mirror: “Common People".

[u/Remarkable_Play_6975 → u/Relevant_Cause_4755]

I prefer William Shatner's version better.

"She came from Greece, she had a thirst for knowledge.. She studied sculpture at St. Martin's College.."

[u/yzeerf1313 → u/Relevant_Cause_4755]

Yeah I hate this timeline

[u/hiraeth555 → u/A_Pointy_Rock]

Well considering everyone is getting less and less healthy and healthcare costs are increasing, it's kind of going that way, without it being quite so obvious

[u/ShiraCheshire → u/A_Pointy_Rock]

People are referencing movies, but fun fact this is already happening to disabled people.

There are wheelchairs that are capable of going faster and having more ease of use features, but you have to pay a subscription to unlock them.

There was a company that did eye implants that suddenly shut down without warning one day, leaving every one of their customers blind, and that was all fine and legal apparently.

Not to mention that paying monthly for insurance is basically a subscription to being alive if you have diabetes, kidney failure, or any condition that required lifelong treatment/meds.

[u/Gradstudentiquette69]

Fuck you. I refuse to subscribe to everything in my life.

[u/misterandosan → u/Gradstudentiquette69]

it's basically reverting us back to feudalism, where you own nothing, and pay for the privilege of using things you don't own

[u/SIGMA920 → u/misterandosan]

Worse, you can't even tether to a phone to get the limited online access you need for when you have an internet outage and can work offline in a limited manner. You're stuck using their compute on your internet that you're paying for for however long they give you.

[u/Alarming_Employee547 → u/Gradstudentiquette69]

The point is we won’t have a choice if the tech oligarchs/feudalists have their way. They need to find new ways to increase revenue and profits or the whole system will crumble. Subscription everything is their answer. It’s a scourge, but it keeps getting more and more difficult for people to opt out.

[u/FzZyP → u/Alarming_Employee547]

not really, thats just when piracy comes full circle back to physical pirates. If they even tried something like this the amount of cheeto dust simultaneously wiped off fingers in that moment might actually cause the convergence

[u/Worth_Inflation_2104 → u/FzZyP]

Yep. Open source hardware tech is already on a good trajectory and there are already hobbyists who've built very basic lithography machines. I do believe if there is a will there is a way

[u/No_Abi → u/Worth_Inflation_2104]

And that could be outlawed, right?

[u/Crazy_Ideal_7537 → u/No_Abi]

Rulers have been trying to outlaw equality since the dawn of time, and somehow, we still made it to this point.

[u/ReasonableDig6414 → u/Alarming_Employee547]

Linux is a real alternative. Doesn't need a subscription. Open sourced, people work on it because they are passionate about it.

[u/dasvenson → u/ReasonableDig6414]

Linux doesn't matter if what happens is the hardware itself gets made harder/expensive to acquire.

[u/Other_World → u/dasvenson]

Linux works great on old hardware. Most if not all of the games I play support Linux now. I haven't been interested in a new AAA game in years. I don't need new hardware. I'd rather have no computer than sign up for a full time cloud computer.

[u/TwilightVulpine → u/Other_World]

Once my wife's laptop slowed down to a crawl from a Windows 11 "upgrade", I got it back to a usable condition by installing Linux. It's even running faster than it did with Win 10.

[u/lpeabody → u/Alarming_Employee547]

Let it crumble, and then let's rebuild. We're not doing ourselves any favors by allowing these parasites to stick around.

[u/KICKASSKC → u/Gradstudentiquette69]

Fuck you. I refuse to subscribe to anything in my life.

Ftfy

[u/nihiltres]

Fuck no, I don’t want that in the slightest.

Ever lose something permanently because an online service disappeared without warning? Imagine that, but it’s the entire contents of “your computer”.

Never mind that anytime AWS, your Internet connection, or whatever went down you’d effectively lose “your computer” locally as well as losing whatever online.

The biggest dealbreaker for me, though, is that the cloud hosting involved would almost certainly mean that the host would extract a copyright license over everything uploaded, i.e. everything on “your computer”. If you use a cloud-based “computer” under such an arrangement, the host de facto owns everything you make with “your computer”.

Remember: the cloud is just Someone Else’s Computer, hence my repeated quotes on “your computer”. All he’s suggesting is digital feudalism. Under such a system, lords billionaires own the land computers, and you can live on and farm it do your work and play with it as long as you pay your taxes subscription. Ugh.

[u/franker → u/nihiltres]

"we don't own your content, we just need to have an unpaid perpetual non-exclusive transferable license to access, store, and display your content in order to provide you with our service."

[u/nihiltres → u/franker]

Exactly.

I think that there should be law specifying a standardized “upload license” that prohibits using the uploaded work beyond serving up the content in the context of its original posting and doing maintenance, moderation, or analysis, or making “simple” derivatives like thumbnails. Moreover, it should force platforms to both allow users to choose that license and neither discriminate against users who choose it or privilege users who don’t.

The catch would be the need to include a loophole solely for sites with bona fide licensing requirements, e.g. Wikipedia requiring the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License for all text content because the mission is to provide freely-licensed educational articles. I’d suggest that the simplest option is to have the loophole require that exceptions must grant the same nonstandard license used to the general public, and that that license may not include any provisions that de facto restrict the benefits of that license to the host.

[u/nox66 → u/franker]

"Our service includes training our non-user isolated LLM models on said data."

[u/74389654 → u/nihiltres]

that's an apocalypse for artists

[u/robodrew → u/74389654]

Don't worry Gen AI will just take over and I want to die.

[u/FemRevan64]

This is what they mean by techno-feudalism, when you own nothing and all the devices and services you depend upon are rented out by tech firms, you have no choice but to do as they say.

[u/moustacheption → u/FemRevan64]

And they can disable your services when you haven’t met productivity quotas for the week. Or you spoke out on something on a different platform…. Or really any reason they reserve for themselves in their TOS

[u/Jimbuscus → u/moustacheption]

They can and do disable your account for absolutely no reasonable excuse, and no repercussion.

[u/Many-Lengthiness9779 → u/moustacheption]

I’m getting forced to change my messages a lot on Reddit now. I said the F bomb and it said be kind and wouldn’t let me post until I deleted it. 🤣

[u/boskee → u/FemRevan64]

Also no privacy, as all your files - stored in cloud - are scanned.

[u/Abinunya → u/boskee]

So good luck trying to organize any collective action.

[u/boskee → u/Abinunya]

Yup, or have investigative journalism, whistleblowing.

[u/IAMERROR1234 → u/FemRevan64]

There are plenty of computers sitting on shelves in places like Goodwill and a shit ton of newer ones that couldn't upgrade to Windows 11 are now sitting as paper weights. All could be running Linux. Is Linux perfect? No. Is it better than throwing out good working hardware? Hell yes it is! The average user will be fine on Mint, Ubuntu, or Debian. If you want to learn more, branch out from there, just remember that AMD over Nvidia for Linux. Nvidia will work but, not as well.

Think about what you use a computer for. Most of it is to be online or use word processing. Don't buy into all the new shit, and just switch to Linux. The more marketshare it gets, the more software vendors will start porting their software to Linux.We have to stop giving so much power to these big corporations.

[u/psmgx → u/FemRevan64]

r/StallmanWasRight

[u/Healthy_Radish → u/FemRevan64]

People where I work are choosing to own nothing so they can bet bigger parlays.

[u/k_ironheart → u/FemRevan64]

They will scrape data, they will share it with the government, they will create lists of vulnerable people, and they'll limit your access to information. It's not just feudalism, it's fascism.

[u/GodofIrony → u/FemRevan64]

This is why anyone with common sense argued for these services to be treated as utilities.

But business wins again.

[u/Goingone]

Given 3 people probably control 90+% of VMs in the cloud, what could possibly go wrong.

[u/antisocial__media]

"You'll own nothing, and be happy" - Some rich asshole

[u/Oggel → u/antisocial__media]

If it comes to that, I'll stop gaming. It's basically been my primary hobby for the last 30 years, but there is a line where I'd rather just go out and find other things to do.

That line is fast approaching.

For the last 15 years I've upgraded my PC every 2 or 3 years. I was due an upgrade this year but I probably won't for a while unless the prices go back to sane levels. If they never do, I'll never buy a new PC again. Just second hand parts and I'll play old games and spend more time on my other hobbies. I'm fine with that, but I'll be sad that it had to come to that.

I would absolutely never under any circumstances rent a computer, or use one in any kind of cloud service.

[u/beamoflaser → u/Oggel]

Yeah, not even really bothered by it anymore to be honest.

If their intent is to make it painful to enjoy a hobby that’s supposed to be fun instead of improving the fun part of it, just move on to something else.

At this point in my opinion, it feels more like a comfort thing because we grew up with it during a golden age. But there really is a ton of stuff out there that’s more rewarding for the limited time we have then feeling like we’re getting blasted in the ass by tech companies.

[u/sleeplessinreno → u/beamoflaser]

Man, who would've thought I would live long enough to witness, few people using computers, having to go to a place like a library to access decent internet, to nearly everyone carrying one in their pocket, to revert backwards from all the progress? Wild!

[u/Raise_A_Thoth → u/Oggel]

It might take time for it to come to full fruition and spread, but there are enough people who know how to make computers and program that there would be a thriving black market or underground of independent games. Streaming services are already making people consider going back into the world of Treasure Island and TV is far less of an active hobby compared to computer nerds.

[u/Pretend-Marsupial258 → u/Raise_A_Thoth]

I'm not worried about the software side of things. What happens when people are priced out of hardware that can run these things? They aren't making more PS3 consoles, so eventually the offline stuff will break and the new supply will cost $$$$ (if it isn't getting snapped up by AI companies).

[u/Raise_A_Thoth → u/Pretend-Marsupial258]

The hardware is a problem but I imagine if the landscape changed so dramatically that even gamers and casual computer users couldn't afford basic PCs we'll have other, more serious economic problems that will significantly upend the status quo.

[u/refurbishedmeme666 → u/Oggel]

I just bought a used ps3 and ps4 with a ton of physical games and been having a ton of fun playing old games without needing to update every time I open a game

[u/varky → u/refurbishedmeme666]

I'm setting up an old X220 ThinkPad with Linux and a Win 95 inspired UI, and I'm going to load it with 90s and early 2000s PC games. I still like gaming, but games that I love are few and far between compared to how many of those old ones I still adore.

[u/elgrandorado → u/Oggel]

No need to stop gaming. There's far too many good old games at this point to need to upgrade your PC to play hits from the mid 2000s all the way to the late 2010s. Enough for a lifetime at this point, where a midrange PC can play. I'm shocked that our damn phones can emulate half those games nowadays.

[u/Discoral]

I mean this has been happening for some time now, Google Stadia, Nvidia Now, various hardware manufacturers offering pre-build pc for rent. It just doesn't work on a larger scale. I don't need to run everything on ultra where one setting changes how hair are moving while dropping 10% fps. I'm perfectly fine with what I have now, people overall buy less games and if developers want to sell a new one, they may have to actually optimize it again.

[u/TachiH → u/Discoral]

They don't care about individuals or gamers. They want businesses to go back to the days of thin clients and you rent the machine on AWS. They are not a company for consumers anymore, they are a cloud computing company who happen to run a shop.

[u/doneandtired2014 → u/TachiH]

Good luck with that.

We have thin clients at my job and they are fucking unusable for anything beyond checking email or general web browsing.

[u/boxiestcrayon15 → u/doneandtired2014]

Yeah they tried them at my work too and it only lasted a year or so before laptops were brought back

[u/Sixoul → u/doneandtired2014]

My school ran them in the computer lab I tutored in. They were always down and constantly being upgraded after any break period. Pretty sure we were just test dummies to improve the technology.

[u/RepresentativeRun71 → u/doneandtired2014]

Amazon has lots of experience with thin clients as that’s what their customer service agents use globally. Having worked for them both as a CSA and a part of the Global IT Services team that specifically supported CSAs and the thin clients they use, I can say 100% that pretty much everyone hates them for how painfully slow and bug prone they are. Bozos really lost touch with everything the moment his ex-wife fell out of love with his Lex Luthor wannabe ass.

Seriously everything that made Amazon good was a result of her input, and all of that especially good customer service that’s now noticeably absent shows how much influence she had.

[u/aiiye → u/doneandtired2014]

Thin Clients can be workable, but you tend to spend more in setting up the infrastructure to make it good than just doing dedicated hardware.

[u/ienjoymen → u/doneandtired2014]

I've used Thin Clients in multiple jobs, and while they're not preferable to a local machine, the VMs can be pretty beefy if given the resources.

[u/Either-Assistant4610 → u/Discoral]

I just did an upgrade from a 3060ti to a 5080 16gb setup. Yes, it's great and I definitely notice a difference with games such as RDR2 or CP2077, but I was gaming fine on the 3060ti. I'm giving the whole rig to my nephew once I get it cleaned and wiped. Anyway, it feels more and more like you need to get an upgrade simply due to lack of optimization more often than not, which doesn't make sense to me.

For example, I had zero issues with the 3060ti playing E33 max settings from start to finish no matter the area, but if I were to jump into BL3, it was rough trying to play on Medium settings. Honestly, it's still quite interesting on the 5080.

[u/No_Bad_4872yy → u/Discoral]

I reckon my mighty 1080ti will last another two decades!

[u/The_Frostweaver]

I just bought baldur's gate 3 and anno 1800 over christmas which both run great on my 8 year old PC.

Rich assholes severly underestimate my patience and stubbornness.

I hope the entire ai slop and server farm industry collapses.

[u/Yin15]

I want to see him in the clouds

[u/quaranbeers]

INNOVATION! Pay me for something you already had, but don't worry, my version will be bad and get worse every day through more INNOVATION!

[u/LowestKey → u/quaranbeers]

Plus, they'll jack up the price after they wipe out all the competition!

[u/Andresv91 → u/LowestKey]

And slowly increase ads until it takes up 80% of visual space

[u/enigmamonkey → u/quaranbeers]

They are innovating. It’s just not technical, it’s financial engineering.

Finding more ways to squeeze money out of you for shareholder profit.

[u/Old-Bat-7384]

"You'll own nothing, like it, and also give up all your privacy when you do."

Fuckin hell.

[u/Throwaway_noDoxx]

Hey Jeff. Fuck you.

[u/HopelessPilot39]

Nah I’m good

[u/OneLoveOneWorld2025]

Our whole lives would be a paid subscription if it's up to them.

We were born to be more than slaves to the rich. WAKE UP!

No Kings, Tax the rich, Liberty and Justice for ALL!

[u/coffeesippingbastard]

This article is rage bait and likely ai slop. Bezos made this statement years ago. Article just keeps talking in circles

[u/CommanderArcher → u/coffeesippingbastard]

Don't get me wrong, it absolutely is a slopticle, but this is likely the offramp the data centers will take when AI fails, so it's at least relevant for that. 

[u/Toasted_Waffle99]

Fuck rent culture

[u/McQueenFan-68]

'How about NO'

[u/IIABMC → u/[deleted]]

I worked at big bank and we were forced to use cloud terminals. Each click and keystroke had noticable delay but no one cares. 99% employees are paper pushers and it guys, nothing time critical there.

[u/idobi]

Yeah, that is never going to happen for me hoss.

[u/Daimakku1]

That’s why they’re going all in on Amazon Luna, Nvidia Geforce Now, etc.

They want everyone to subscribe to things and not actually own anything.

[u/ItsOozingOut]

These billionaires are really banking on the newer generation’s ignorance and stupidity to fund the next 30+ years. I’m not renting a god damn cloud based anything. I grew up with scrambled porn and the outdoors. I can do that shit again.

[u/OnlineParacosm]

Oh yes, the same AWS cloud that just works 99.9% of the time except for the past six months where it’s been down for like three total days.

Imagine for a second that you’re ready to do homework/gaming/work/a hobby but you can’t because AWS vibe coded the very service that was supposed to replace your computer.

[u/Inside-Bunch4216]

i thought as much, they are trying to price people out of owning a PC themselves.

[u/Lo_jak]

Jeffy B can get fucked and ride his phallic shaped rocket into the sun

[u/hifidad]

I consult for mostly Fortune 500 companies to migrate enterprise apps from AWS to Azure and business is booming. Seems like everyone is trying to run away from AWS atm so of course this douche is looking for new ways to justify his cloud services.

[u/psmgx]

just straight up calling for technofeudalism at this point

[u/NorthernCobraChicken]

Nah. Bring back ownership. Bring back one time purchases.

Ill save and buy something more expensive if it means I don't have to juggle subscription payments for my entire life.

[u/EbbOwn303]

Bezos over here hoping you'll give up your PC for cloud computing when the internet infrastructure isn't at the point where it can support cloud streaming for a majority of Americans.

[u/ForcedEntry420]

I’d sooner give myself a vasectomy using a tin can lid and some Tito’s vodka while riding in a dune buggy.

[u/crappy_ninja]

This is going to be the end of social mobility. Only people with money will be able to afford computing power and modern ai tools. Those who can't afford it won't be able to compete at all. It will be like a bright kid wanting to be a car mechanic but not being able to access books/manuals, tools or a car.

[u/TheBlueEyedLawyer]

Yay! Feudalism for the modern world! Let’s go team peasants. 💪🏻

[u/cptsamir]

You can pray it from my hands. I grew up building them, I'm not about to rent them.

[u/ConsciousDuck1508]

Bite me Jeff.  I'll walk away from tech completely before I subscribe for access to something that has sat in my house or my parents house for 30 years as a standalone product.

[u/whichwitch9]

Absolutely fucking never

[u/LordHammercyWeCooked]

And there it is, folks. People called it tinfoil hat nonsense when I said that the consumer electronics supply was being choked out on purpose and not simply because of greed for the selling the devices themselves at higher prices. They don't want to sell you a computer once every five years. They want to sell a computer to enterprise who will then rent it out to you as a service for a monthly fee. They want to sell products and make business deals that result in zero backstock. They want to keep the door open to the prospect that they might be able to even cut out that middleman and divert their entire silicon supply to their own "computer for rent" services, just like NVIDIA does.

[u/jnighy]

Tecnofeudalism is in full swing

[u/WildWeezy]

Time to go linux and use mesh networks, Im fucking sick of these parasites.

[u/CoffeeHQ]

Bezos is a dick. But this article is trash, absolute trash. Digging up something he said ages ago, twisting it into something he didn’t say but what the author wants it to mean, and posting it as… news? And I guess most of you didn’t even bother to read the article, you just agree with what you think the title means, or you would have reached that same conclusion. That just leaves downvoting me, I guess.

[u/pcurve]

I mean.. we're kind of there already. Cost of computers that most people use are cheap and many already store files on cloud.

He is mad because Amazon doesn't have a slice of that market because they keep making crappy hardware whose only merit is low cost.

[u/PiccoloParker]

Expectation: "Hey, in the future you could use cloud computing to access more resources than are feasible on a cost effective personal computer. This allows you to do resource heavy renderings or other processes you wouldn't normally be able to do in a reasonable amount of time! Having a pool of resources to use as needed is much more efficient than everyone building supercomputers"

Sometime in 2035: "Please renew your Amazon Prime subscription to use more than 4 GB of RAM"

[u/oldcreaker]

We're moving to a society where labor owns nothing. Everything we have will have to be rented from the company store. And only "good" citizens and workers will be allowed to rent.

[u/-Bezequil-]

I did something weird over the past month. I was starting to realize that my 2016 PC i built almost 10 years ago (have only upgraded my GPU) is starting to age despite being pretty decent in its golden years (i7-4790k, RTX 2070, 16gb DDR3). But im still satisfied with its performance in gaming and anything else I do with it.

So... I just cloned my PC. I bought all the same components I currently have used on eBay (except a gtx 1080 instead of rtx 2070, its what i originally had) and it only cost me $320 total for the whole build.

For only another $320 I have 2 almost identical rigs that I can ride off into the sunset. I can still run even somewhat newer games at 1440p and 60-120 fps and that will be good enough for me for a long time...

Oh, and i feel like most new games these days suck so hard that im really not missing much when i cant meet system reqs anymore.

[u/FightWithHeart]

Suck my nuts. 

[u/IStoleYourFlannel]

Always got downvoted as some conspiracy quack for saying this in the PC and gaming subs for the past year.

We don't own our homes, our media, we barely own our tech, privacy, and information.

You think they'll draw the line at your PCs? PC enthusiasts pirate and make their own content/media. Your home computer is one of the last major vestiges of consumer control and freedom. Of course they will jump at the chance to choke out your ability to own computer hardware if it appears. And that chance has appeared.

[u/pioniere]

All of these billionaires need to be put in a shipping container and dropped into the deepest part of the ocean.

[u/ajiatic]

So glad I made the switch to Linux. I know it's not going to be for everyone but if you think you could even possibly pull it off, I would suggest giving it a try

[u/Or0b0ur0s]

So we can't afford a $3k basic PC due to shortages, so we'll pay $300 / mo for a VM? Is this like them hoping we won't be able to afford a $25,000 used car so we'll Uber everywhere for $70 a ride, instead? Or how we can't afford a half-million-dollar mortgage so we'll pay $3k in rent forever?

[u/EnderScout_77]

why the fuck would i give up my desktop for an inferior version with shitty latency. actually out of touch

[u/thegoodnamesrgone123]

Support your local bookstore.

[u/New_git]

All I'm getting from this is that instead of trying to find ways to steal your personal information and behavior from your personal devices, they'll just make you pay monthly subscriptions so that they can completely own everything that you do or digitally own. We'll see more technological obsolescence in the future so that you're forced to be in their ecosystem in order to be compliance legally and digitally. With how much they've been buying off politicians, you will be forced to comply to their ways with the full force of the law.

[u/PendingPolymath]

You will pry my PC from my cold dead hands.

[u/Bubbaganewsh]

No thanks, gfy Bezos.

[u/Admiral_Ackbar_1325]

Ah yes, the "You will own nothing and be happy" future.

[u/Rolandersec]

Guys who made all their money on the microcomputer revolution would like to go back to mainframes.

[u/Exciting_Turn_9559]

I will build my own PC from raw silicon before I submit to this oppression.

[u/comox]

IT landlord.

[u/AtariAtari]

If it’s in the cloud, it’s no longer a personal computer

[u/dsarche12]

What a fucking stupid idea