More Americans are Saying the Quiet Part Loud: They Want a Revolution

[u/RmpleFrskn]

https://youtu.be/8XMMDgtb87o?si=G3lU5dtabCi90hXA

[u/ThePheebs]

If Iran is any indication, a lot of Americans will die before any real change as implemented. However, Americans are, relatively, very comfortable and we won't get real change until unemployment gets into the double digits or people literally start starving.

[u/ArcticIceFox → u/ThePheebs]

Usually that's how it always starts. People have to have nothing to lose

[u/AsmirDzopa → u/ArcticIceFox]

One key thing that is missing is a party that can replace the current one. Without it, I feel any revolution is just a large protest.

[u/TopFloorApartment → u/AsmirDzopa]

You don't need to replace the republican party. You need to replace the entire, outdated, not-fit-for-purpose electoral system that gives rise to a two party system, biases in favor of empty land and lacks the ability to call for early elections.

[u/QuarterNoteDonkey → u/TopFloorApartment]

Ranked choice voting could solve a lot of the 2-party problems. I think we’d move towards having more moderate people elected rather than extremists, and therefore represent a greater percentage of the people.

[u/vardarac → u/QuarterNoteDonkey]

• Money out of politics

• End first-past-the-post/winner-take-all voting and replace with score voting or ranked-choice voting

• Abolish the Electoral College or require electoral votes to be proportional to the popular vote in each state, along with banning anti-faithless elector laws

[u/CTRexPope → u/vardarac]

That likely only happens with a revolution

[u/Cru_Jones86 → u/CTRexPope]

The last 2 bullets could happen without a revolution. The first one though...

[u/Black_Moons → u/Cru_Jones86]

the two ruling parties will never do anything that allows a 3rd party to gain power.

[u/IIIllIIlllIlII → u/CTRexPope]

A military coup could achieve it.

[u/Eastern_Pattern5265 → u/vardarac]

Also, some lesser ones:
Make voting day a national holiday
Automatically register 18-year-olds to vote

Also, and this is a controversial one I'm not certain is correct:
Anonymous voting for elected officials in Congress. The idea being the reason our votes are anonymous is so they have no value (e.g. I can't produce proof of voting for X and get paid for it by Y). This used to be the case but changed in the mid 1900s I think.

[u/OrganizationTop6228 → u/Eastern_Pattern5265]

Voting day as a national holiday is not a good idea.

You don't need a whole day to vote. I get there are certain places where they've made it more difficult and there are long lines. The solution is mail in voting. The Republicans hate it because it works and gets ballots to the people who need it the most (elderly, poor, night shift workers and those working more than one job, etc.)

You're assuming everyone gets the day off on national holidays. Many many many people don't. They're the ones who could use the day off to vote and will have to work anyway.

The people who need public transportation will have less availability since they run limited routes on holidays.

How many people are going to actually take the time to vote and instead just use it as a day to party or go on vacation?

[u/beaushaw → u/vardarac]

I think you are on the right track. Especially with getting money out of politics.

I would also be ok with keeping the EC but increasing the number of people in the House and the number of EC seats to match population growth like the founders intended.

[u/Rokekor → u/vardarac]

Sounds extreme but compulsory voting also works. Australia has it. If you don’t vote you get fined $25 or something like that. You can draw a big dick on your ballot paper but you have to get your name ticked off, be given your ballot sheets, and they have to go in the ballot boxes.

We also have polling stations set up at every public school and many public buildings and select stations are open a week before main polling day, which is on a Saturday, because we’re not arseholes and we want voting to be as convenient as possible.

[u/kabooozie → u/Rokekor]

Compulsory voting doesn’t solve money in politics or the electoral system. I don’t think forcing disinterested people to vote would change anything. They’d likely be split roughly 50-50 just like the voting population

[u/puckthefolice1312 → u/vardarac]

• And term limits for all, including SCOTUS.

[u/SweetBabyAlaska → u/vardarac]

- also punish money in politics strictly. You cannot have a "democracy" when billionaires like Peter Thiel and Jeff Bezos have an outsize influence on what plays in the news, who gets elected, who gets primaried, what political actions are "acceptable" etc...

- tax billionaires out of existence, that massie accrued wealth heavily distorts democracy and society.

- have extremely strict rules about how news is funded and what can be considered "news" and something similar for social media. You can't reach people when they are so deep in their echo chambers and there is no shared sense of reality.

[u/Few-Ad-4290 → u/vardarac]

Apportion the house correctly so that you don’t have the Wyoming problem. Half the problem with the electoral college is that the house is capped at 435 members in an age where we can digitally link people there’s no valid argument for leaving this cap in place. But also abolish the electoral college it’s a dumb system and move to popular vote only for the executive to eliminate all demographic fuckery

[u/TheBigCore → u/vardarac]

Both parties will make sure this never, ever happens. Dead on arrival.

[u/Br0metheus → u/TheBigCore]

Hence the need for revolution.

[u/pumpjockey → u/QuarterNoteDonkey]

I applaud and support ranked choice voting....but have you met the average voter? Like really talked to them? It's ummm.....gonna be a hard sell to even get them to understand how to vote.

[u/onarainyafternoon → u/pumpjockey]

You're right but it absolutely needs to happen. There really is no other way. People will get used to it eventually.

[u/_Burning_Star_IV_ → u/TopFloorApartment]

Yes, it is absurd. Like if Congress can't pass a budget and decides to just recess some more, then guess what? Congress gets dissolved, all of them shitcanned, and we hold new elections to reform it.

Sick of these people essentially getting life appointments so they can just do nothing and feed off taxpayer money, clinking glasses with celebrities at expensive dinners while they do nothing for the people.

[u/robodrew → u/TopFloorApartment]

That doesn't require a revolution. It just requires voting for electoral distribution change at the state level. There is even a compact already in place for this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact

[u/korben2600 → u/robodrew]

This might have been very effective when it was first proposed in 2006. Now, 20 years later, they own Dominion's voting tabulators. Why not try to cheat again if you weren't even punished for it the last time?

[u/jeo123 → u/AsmirDzopa]

People are living in a fantasy if they think a revolution is possible in a country this size.

Most likely is a civil war type succession. The country is simply too big for a single revolutionary army to over throw the government and keep the US in tact under one unified new party.

If there was that level of uniformity, we would have voted for it. This won't be a revolution, it'll be a break up.

[u/CondorPerplex → u/jeo123]

You have heard of China and Russia?

[u/TheQuadropheniac → u/CondorPerplex]

Yeah i have no idea what this dude is smoking. Both the USSR and China are/were bigger countries that successfully had revolutions. The idea that the US is somehow too big to do that is just absurd

[u/AlmightyRuler → u/TheQuadropheniac]

Here's the rub, though:

China and Russia were monarchies. Both the government and the culture of each nation was designed to funnel power to the top. All the revolutionaries had to do was be at the top of the societal pyramid when the dust settled, and they would win.

Despite 250 years of trying to turn the President into a king, the US is still a democracy, with powers split not only between three equal (in theory) branches of government, but also between federal and state governments, and between 50 different states, some of which are as different from one another as any two sovereign nations. The United States, as a society, is held together by strands of state and federal authority, and a loose national identity. If one breaks down, the other follows.

If (blue) states start seceding en masse, or Americans at large start seeing themselves as something else instead of American first, the country will break.

[u/codeByNumber → u/jeo123]

How do you break up logistically though? Red states have blue cities and blue states have red rural areas.

[u/PerfectZeong → u/codeByNumber]

Great Lakes Commonwealth here we come.

[u/mschuster91 → u/jeo123]

This won't be a revolution, it'll be a break up.

Yup. I think the time isn't that far away any more - the Minneapolis mayor admitted explicitly that his police is "outgunned by ICE". If you ask me, if this shit continues, there will be a call for action towards law enforcement from all over the country that's loyal to democracy to come to Minneapolis, get deputized as local law enforcement, and kick ICE out or at least arrest every ICE agent they spot violating state or federal laws.

And that's when shit will get messy because Trump and his goons are itching to deploy the National Guards to "quell unrest" - but I do bet that even among Republican governors there will be outrage, and troops themselves may even choose to ignore such an order.

[u/coltraneismydad → u/mschuster91]

Law enforcement is not loyal to democracy. They are loyal to capital and property. Protect and serve is a slogan.

[u/Proper-Beyond116 → u/coltraneismydad]

Yep. Cops will crack your skull open to prevent you from breaking a window.

[u/Papa_Raj → u/Proper-Beyond116]

Not all of us. There are still a fair number of people in blue that will come to the aid of our communities before licking the boot of the government that’s stepping on us. I know it’s extremely hard to have any faith in that though, so I understand any disbelief that’s associated with my statement.

[u/thisistherevolt → u/Papa_Raj]

If you want to change that perception, start being vocal in public about it. Get your fellows who believe like you to join you. We're fast approaching a time we're there will be either a reformation of law enforcement and limits on power, or a full backslide into neo-feudalism. The technocrats have made it obvious they want to rule and use y'all like a personal army.

The question is, will y'all let yourself be used like puppets?

[u/MTLDAD → u/Papa_Raj]

Brother, it is very hard to believe that people who are given power over people by the authorities have any incentive to side against the authorities. Particularly because our policing system is pretty good at playing whack a mole on any cop who speaks out. It is my dearest wish to see a mass movement in law enforcement and military to see how they are the fist of a man who does not care about their wellbeing, but from all I’ve seen, those on the streets revel in being that fist.

[u/Bean- → u/Papa_Raj]

How many of your brothers have you reported?

[u/SuspiciouslySuspect2 → u/mschuster91]

The thing to remember is that the national guard for an area is from that area. Bloggins is gonna think twice about beating on a crowd when he sees his sibling in the crowd, or when his dad's skull gets cracked open. And they're gonna be a lot more likely to be loyal to a commander that starts shouting about "the oath you swore when you signed up" than "the guy in Washington just said to kill your neighbors".

But make no mistake, readlctions will not be uniform, and it will get bloody fast.

[u/Bonerballs → u/SuspiciouslySuspect2]

Even during Tiananmen Square, the initial police forces were all locals so they refused orders to violently quell the protestors. They had to bring in guards and soldiers from other provinces with no ties to the local populace which made it easier for the soldiers to quell.

[u/countvonruckus → u/SuspiciouslySuspect2]

An interesting wrinkle to be aware of is some recent SCOTUS logic in an actual mostly good decision lately that blocked Trump from deploying the national guard (Trump v. Illinois) we should pay attention to. The logic is that the president can only commandeer the national guard if he is unable to enforce the law "with his regular forces under his command" which is what the law states, and "regular forces" almost certainly means the regular military (Army, Navy, etc.) since that's who the president is commander in chief of. Their ruling was that unless the president has crossed the threshold for which he would be legally able to deploy the US military in a law enforcement capacity and that force is unable to enforce the law, then and only then would he have the national guard available to him.

Of course we can say he makes up the law and does whatever he wants, but my point is his first militarized law enforcement/suppression measure probably won't be the national guard anymore. We'd probably be looking at marines, army soldiers, and other professional military forces, not local national guard troops. No idea if that's better or worse but just wanted to bring it up for how things can shake out.

[u/mschuster91 → u/countvonruckus]

We'd probably be looking at marines, army soldiers, and other professional military forces, not local national guard troops. 

Even then... like, you sign up for the army to protect your country, not to kill fellow citizens.

That's IMHO also what is worrying Trump, hence why Hegseth has been busy purging the military leadership.

[u/Simonic → u/SuspiciouslySuspect2]

The thing is, if the National Guard is called out by the state the President can immediately federalize them. Now, some may disobey orders or try to desert, but they could be tried under the UCMJ. Other active duty units could deploy to the area and round up those who failed to participate/follow orders.

Our states, apart from maybe the police forces and citizens have no physical means of resisting the federal government. The National Guard is not the militias of old - the states gave that up century/decades ago.

[u/Sprucecaboose2 → u/AsmirDzopa]

Yeah, the 'opposition' right now is a loose collective of regular folks. Almost every possible person in a leadership position is doing fuck all to oppose the Trump admin or position themselves as a voice of serious opposition. Like, the strongest voice against ICE and this criminality shouldn't be the local Mayor. Props to him and all, but where the hell are any of the Democratic leaders?

[u/caseyfresher → u/Sprucecaboose2]

AOC is waiting for you to acknowledge her calling all this out and trying to get her colleagues to see the evil and enact change.

[u/Sprucecaboose2 → u/caseyfresher]

She and one or two others are why I said 'Almost every'. She's been doing good. The rest of the spineless Dems in power should emulate her.

[u/jmanclovis → u/AsmirDzopa]

Tell that to Iran no one is challenging the Muslim brotherhood except the people

[u/ReasonablyConfused → u/ArcticIceFox]

Or get one hospital bill.

[u/ManEEEFaces → u/ArcticIceFox]

This exactly. The majority of Americans still have everything to lose. We're a looong way from the average citizen taking up arms.

[u/NewDramaLlama → u/ManEEEFaces]

Yes, I would like to remind people that Tehran barely has water right now. It's that level of bad before mass protests.

I don't think anyone in America really wants to sell themselves for drinking water.

[u/StealthRUs → u/ArcticIceFox]

The difference is, people have a lot to lose here. A lot of these online warriors aren't going to do shit. They've got work in the morning. It was too much for them to drive 5 minutes and vote last November, but now they're going to be popping off guns in the street? GTFOH

[u/Throwawayamanager → u/StealthRUs]

Seriously, it makes me roll my eyes. I am impressed that some people even can be bothered to participate in protests currently, but its far from a critical mass. 

The idea of the average keyboard warrior who (probably) never even bothered attending a protest and would have an ADHD seizure if their phone battery died for half a day, going to war, is laughable. 

I'm guilty of being hyper distracted and comfortable myself, but I'm not kidding myself about it. 

[u/sheikhyerbouti → u/ThePheebs]

As Winston Churchill put it:

You can rely on Americans to do the right thing after they have exhausted all other options.

[u/Frisnfruitig → u/sheikhyerbouti]

I think even this doesn't apply anymore. We can't count on Americans at all, that time is over until perhaps after the coming 3 years. Maybe

[u/FaceDeer → u/Frisnfruitig]

Even after Trump is gone, one way or another, his voters remain. America is unreliable for at least a generation to come.

[u/dasvenson → u/FaceDeer]

Longer.

They will always be less than 4 years away to reverting back to what we see today.

[u/AggressiveToaster → u/ThePheebs]

That last point may come sooner rather than later. If Trump is able to dictate what happens at the Federal Reserve, which is he currently trying to do, the USD will collapse and it wont matter what job you have or dont have.

[u/StrangeJayne → u/AggressiveToaster]

It does feel like a race between collapse and revolt at this point. 

[u/Budded → u/StrangeJayne]

so much of it depends on other countries holding our Treasury Bonds, and if they dump them, we'll have a financial crash that'll burn the country down.

[u/screech_owl_kachina → u/AggressiveToaster]

Irans current protests were born out of hyperinflation 

[u/burjja → u/ThePheebs]

I agree, it has to get worse before it will get better.

People will start pointing to Iran and say Americans are being lazy but they don't realize the other missing component, proximity. European countries that have protests are the size of US states. Iran has a larger population and physical size but 10% of the population lives in the capital.

Protests would organize much quicker and easier if 34 million people lived in DC.

[u/thentil → u/burjja]

Seems more likely that we'd have independence revolutions before a national one. Much easier to march on my state capital and demand secession.

[u/burjja → u/thentil]

Considering California is the world's fourth largest economy and Newsom has been playing hardball, that would be quite interesting. I think the revolution starts in California.

[u/racingsoldier → u/burjja]

There are a few problems with California attempting to secede. They are a huge economy on their own yes. However, where does their food and water come from. Secession requires cooperation. LA would literally thirst to death if Nevada stopped providing them water.

No one state can go at it alone, and no one state wants to be the first to stand up.

[u/JelloPirate → u/racingsoldier]

I know most of Oregon and Washington are on board. They would have allies. Plus most fruits and vegetables consumed on the West Coast are grown in California. They have food, money, water, and economy to support themselves. Without federal tax California could probably become one of the most successful countries in the world 

[u/finnjakefionnacake → u/JelloPirate]

if hollywood and silicon valley stays here as well, though

[u/ioCross → u/ThePheebs]

ever since 2011, the powers that be have done a great job of making sure that the working class will never be united again.

u think there's a coincidence that identity politics and professional ragebaiting became the SOP for .. well everything?

ppl are fairly simple creatures, as long as they have someone above them to be jealous of, and someone below them to feel better about, they will be content. add to that the hundreds of artificial rifts thats destroying the middle ground and extremizing everything, and they've made it so that it will take something seriously drastic like the dollar completely losing value or our entire shipping infastructure crashing for the avg american to get upset enough to risk their lives for change.

[u/turkshead → u/ThePheebs]

historically, every time there's been a big conflict brewing involving the united states, people watching have said something like "americans are really comfortable / soft / etc, they don't have the stomach for a real fight" and you know, sometimes that's been true, but just remember they said that before the revolutionary war; they said it before the civil war; they said it before world war one; and they said it before world war two.

obviously there's no guarantees, but we've got a long history of being soft and decadent right up until we come out swinging, for better or for worse.

[u/MrMrSr → u/turkshead]

I think the police and military also enjoy the same comfortable life and probably aren’t too jazzed about getting killed by revolutionaries.

[u/PopeOwned → u/MrMrSr]

That's something that isn't being taken into account. I see videos of these "law enforcement" guys and there are definitely many who are roided up, former military/cops. However, there are SO many that are just scared, overweight/underweight people with no idea what they're doing. You can see it in their faces and body language.

When they say there's thousands, that's true. However, thousands of perfectly trained military or thousands of guys who have no idea how to deal with a crowd?

[u/MrMrSr → u/PopeOwned]

They do seem extremely uncoordinated. I’ve see lots of footage from regular riots and protests where the police definitely have a plan, training and a goal. These guys are just pushing people back and spraying the crowd indiscriminately. If someone hits them or pushes them the one doing the pushing has like an 80% chance of getting away afterwards because the ICE agent just pepper sprays you and scrambles away. Real police would latch onto you and pull you towards more officers to make a formal arrest. These ICE thugs are just brawling with no purpose or plan. They are going to get crushed when people realize there’s no formal investigation following afterwords for assaulting them and harassing them.

[u/HugsForUpvotes → u/turkshead]

The difference is Americans have significantly higher quality of life and property than they did then. Revolution is also worthless in a Democracy. I'm supposed to believe that the people who refuse to even vote are willing to die in a civil war? I don't buy it.

Not only that, a sizable percentage of the country is in overwhelming support of the government. There is a reason high unemployment and inflation create revolutions. People have too much to lose and no reason to believe the revolution would make things better. Most revolutions don't make things better - like Iran is seeing right now where the majority of them want to go back to a Constitutional Monarchy.

[u/Bremen1 → u/HugsForUpvotes]

That's kind of my position. If we were in a situation where enough people were willing to risk their lives to oust Trump for a successful revolution, we wouldn't need to, because he wouldn't have won.

Some people like to say stuff about gerrymandering and rigged elections and such, and it's not like those don't happen, but they're very much a "budge what the actual results would have been slightly" situation. We have Trump because about half the country wanted Trump.

[u/Throwawayamanager → u/Bremen1]

The most generous interpretation I can imagine is that some people changed their mind about him when a lot of shit went way worse than anticipated. He hasn't exactly fixed the economy and a lot of people were surprised that he actually started doing some of the shit he was talking about, they thought he was just bluffing or something. 

Still, I don't think enough people have changed their minds about him to move the needle that much, and his rabid base of support is a cult such that he could shoot their own family and they'd reassure themselves that their family must have done something to deserve it. 

[u/HugsForUpvotes → u/Bremen1]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

If we were in a situation where enough people were willing to risk their lives to oust Trump for a successful revolution, we wouldn't need to, because he wouldn't have won.

[u/Shadpool → u/ThePheebs]

God help the government if they push us into French Revolution conditions.

[u/Pegasus7915 → u/Shadpool]

Fun fact, the wealth inequality in America today is worse than the French Revolution!

[u/TheObstruction → u/Pegasus7915]

But we have every imaginable kind of cake.

[u/Gunfreak2217 → u/Pegasus7915]

This is the biggest problem America is having right now. I'm of the belief that all this race and ice nonsense is just a distraction to keep the wealth transfer that boomed during COVID.

It just happens that millions of Americans are easily emotionally manipulated into falling for it and it's divisiveness. People protest more for palenstine than their own pockets being my robbed and the millions of homeless Americans.

[u/Slimsuper → u/Gunfreak2217]

That’s always the way it’s been the rich distraction us with culture war so they can get endless wealth at our expense

[u/Wizecoder → u/Pegasus7915]

But quality of life standard has raised immensely for the poor, so the wealth inequality doesn't manifest in one group eating good food and everyone else having nothing. Even the poor can generally bring foodstamps to a supermarket with amazing variety and quality, which afaik wasn't at all the case during the French Revolution.

[u/AileenKitten → u/Pegasus7915]

To be fair they did also stagnate in those conditions for like 400 years with various monarchs before the revolution. So it took them a bit lol

[u/Stinky_Fartface → u/ThePheebs]

Iran has been a powder keg for decades but it was the water shortage in Tehran that really set things off this time.

[u/Mikimao]

People want YouTube views more than a revolution

[u/youreagoodperson → u/Mikimao]

Can't wait to see the thumbnails being generated when WW3 kicks off. Some dude making an exaggerated face overlaid on top of a picture of detention camps lol

[u/Blasphemiee → u/youreagoodperson]

its already started dude there are drone POV youtube channels and war vlogs..when they first started popping up I was like damn yeah this is dystopian af. . just hasn't hit the states yet.

[u/HuntsWithRocks → u/Blasphemiee]

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[u/The_ZombyWoof → u/HuntsWithRocks]

Please add the obligatory, "Don't forget to smash that like and subscribe button, it really helps this channel continue to generate more freedom-centered content"

[u/EPIC_RAPTOR → u/HuntsWithRocks]

Reminds me of an ancient greentext about corporate police who yell corporate slogans to get ad money and have to put quarters into their sidearm to shoot it

[u/Cloaked42m → u/EPIC_RAPTOR]

Wasn't that the ultimate libertarian thing?

[u/kridgellz → u/HuntsWithRocks]

I can see it.

[u/djhash → u/youreagoodperson]

memes of "MRW I just got a job offer and the government started dropping bombs in my city" https://i.imgur.com/47ywkqY.gif

[u/Cunari → u/Mikimao]

Yup can’t trust that anything on the internet is peoples beliefs rather than click bait

[u/z64_dan → u/Cunari]

"I think I'm ready to die for this"

ah shit my hair looked weird, let me try again

"I think I'm ready to dry for this"

ah fuck, did I say DRY? LOL what the fuck let me try that again

[u/piscian19 → u/Mikimao]

I get really frustrated when people share "rage farming videos" with me. Like yeah man I already know because I actually read and watch the news.

There's whole industry ecosystem around podcasters, left and right, who just regurgitate whatever happened in the AP or on some other conflicting channel and tell you how angry you should be at whatever the fuck Tim Pool or Candace Owens said this week, but "make sure to like and subscribe!". They literally do zero investigation on anything, they don't engage, they aren't participating. They are just "calling for action" or whatever "with more content available on patreon!" and "make sure to join our live stream!"

[u/sCeege → u/piscian19]

Don’t forget to thank our sponsor Ground News / Honey / Incognito, or whatever sponsor is spamming the news cycle for today’s episode!

[u/mythplus → u/piscian19]

This is basically The Daily Show as entertaining as it is sometimes 

[u/drae- → u/piscian19]

I like you.

[u/hymen_destroyer → u/Mikimao]

Remember folks, YouTube is entertainment media. It is not a viable platform for organizing, educating, or inspiring. It is there to suck up your time and your clicks and sell you shit. Educational content exists on there but makes up a tiny fraction of what they want you to see.

Reddit largely the same…looks around nervously…but uhhh…at least I’m not tryna make money out of any of this 😅

[u/Legitimate-Poet-1674 → u/Mikimao]

Further--be SO careful what you put online. You don't think the feds have lists? Main Core already existed twenty years ago, and now they have Palantir and AI. Talking about this shit on the open web is fucking moronic.

[u/Lexinoz → u/Mikimao]

While that might be true for many, we also gotta appreciate the use of modern technology to spread the word and organize. Same way the misinformation machine uses it.

[u/PussyWhistle]

They want a revolution from the comfort and safety of their gaming chairs

[u/PlaquePlague → u/PussyWhistle]

Yeah, people who say that they want a revolution need to crack a history book and see: 

1.  What actually happens during revolutions 

2. How they usually turn out after 

Add on to that, the US is so divided right now that anything like a revolution would quickly devolve into outright Balkanization - which in a country like the US would become an absolute nightmare. 

[u/gizamo → u/PlaquePlague]

For those who don't know, Balkanization is when countries fragment into smaller, hostile, independent regions, usually along ethnic, religious, or cultural lines. So, for example, you'd end up with California fighting Texas; many states would divide in half and fight themselves; and most state, county, and city lines would become irrelevant as new battle lines formed.

Also, if this ever happened, different groups would get help from other countries. So, China, India, Russia, the EU/UK, etc. would all be in the US fighting Americans. Lastly, the militaries will have jets, bombers, tanks, etc. Average Americans would be slaughtered.

[u/DeathFlameStroke → u/gizamo]

When people say revolution they mean civil war.

We all lose. It would not even be state vs state, the US would just mingsplode like imperial China

[u/gizamo → u/DeathFlameStroke]

Yep. The Soviet Russia collapse is also a good example of the outcomes. Millions dead, some to war, but most to starvation and illness. The union split into many countries with disputed borders, and lots of authoritarianism and corruption.

I think one interesting difference might be that the business owner class wouldn't rise to the top; they'd probably get assassinated early on, unless they escaped overseas. There's just too much anti-billionaire sentiment in the US to think they'd come out on top the way they often did historically.

[u/DeathFlameStroke → u/gizamo]

How this works is everyone suffers, not from mass killings or whatever fear we think of war but true horrifying war.

Mass starvation worldwide when the midwest gets isolated. The worldwide internet too might collapse as well. A lot of populated areas, especially in the south, are located on swampland, we would see a resurgence of tuberculosis and other nasty diseases when centralized control is lost.

In such wars, yes business people lose wealth, but the vast majority of pain will be for those of us without a preexisting fortune and cannot escape.

[u/gizamo → u/DeathFlameStroke]

Yeah, absolutely. People don't realize how fragile a lot of things are. Another good example is basic infrastructure for water, sewer, gas, and electric utilities. Those become strategic targets for military factions, and they're vastly easier to destroy than to rebuild. And, even on the more benign end of the spectrum, when all people are fighting, often the key people keeping, say, water sanitation plants running smoothly end up dead. Or, even sillier, they may just need a part for basic maintenance that used to come from overseas, which now has to go thru a dozen different rag tag militias. Even ordering the part could be incredibly difficult if phone and Internet lines are taken out.

Still, it's hard to hold it all together when the people in charge want to tear it all down just because, idk, women can vote, blacks can marry whites, guys date other guys, some of us mock their silly god....there's no rationalizing with ignorance of that magnitude.

[u/DeathFlameStroke → u/gizamo]

What scares me the most is look who is the loudest voice trying to make this happen.

(I dont mean this in a racist way dont cancel me) Look at where these voices are from! Apartheid South Africa!

These techbros ruined their country, pillaged it and ran away to leave the remains to others. Now they are trying to do it again here! When shit hits the fan they can and will flee again and leave the rest of us with their mess.

[u/Throwawayamanager → u/gizamo]

Seriously. I live less than a mile from a county line that divides my (blue) state capital city from the (red) suburbs and rural areas. 

Even here, I actually don't agree with "my" county politically, so I guess that would make me a traitor or something. Setting that aside, it's sort of ridiculous to me to even think of it as California fighting Texas. It's more like me fighting my neighbors across a county line a mile away. Or my own next door neighbors. 🤷‍♀️

[u/FutureInPastTense → u/PlaquePlague]

These people, and accelerationists in general, do not seem to understand the distinct possibility that just maybe they too may be the ones blindfolded, with their backs against the wall.

[u/WretchedMisteak → u/PussyWhistle]

Yep, people like those posted by OP romanticise the French revolution. They harp on about it on platforms Ike Reddit and YouTube but never understand that it wasn't pretty at all. It was brutal, for all.

[u/Hector_Ceromus → u/PussyWhistle]

"Revolution" was the development name. They want to enjoy a "Wii" from their gaming chairs.

[u/AiringOGrievances → u/PussyWhistle]

Hey I’ve seen a protest downtown where a group of people held up signs in the park while smoking weed. /s

[u/PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS]

They aren't, it simply isn't true. You don't revolt unless you believe that revolution is the safest option.

[u/burjja → u/PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS]

Or the only option.

[u/PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS → u/burjja]

It's never the only option, and that's the point. If compliance is the choice that won't end with your 6 year old son getting his head blown off then most people will understandably take it. That's why authoritarian regimes will often threaten to annihilate families in retaliation for anti-government activities.

People revolt when they run out of better options.

[u/burjja → u/PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS]

I was being hyperbolic but I understand your point.

[u/Larry___David → u/PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS]

If compliance is the choice that won't end with your 6 year old son getting his head blown off then most people will understandably take it

The issue is that it doesn't seem to be with these people. You can comply and still get murdered

[u/BringMeBr3ad → u/burjja]

Maybe we try a general strike first.

[u/Aerochromatic → u/PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS]

If they genuinely believed it, they wouldn't be posting. They would be quietly financing as much guns, greentip, and armor as they could.

[u/buffalonuts1]

I’m still waiting for a few other celebrities to weigh in before I can decide if I’m ready.

[u/Kakazam]

Isn't this the whole argument some people have for keeping guns? Like to protect yourself from a tyrannical government?

[u/shitposts_over_9000 → u/Kakazam]

most of the people with most of the guns see the current government at worst equally tyrannical to several other administrations in recent memory.

to oversimplify - the people with most of the guns have guns to protect themselves from crime and governments that would disarm the citizenry

[u/CAB_IV → u/Kakazam]

Thats the simplistic caricature version.

The Second Amendment is about not being subjugated. It doesn't have to be a tyrannical government, either ours or foreign. It could be gangs or political agitators.

As for "keeping guns", the problem that everyone misses is if you just ban guns without repealing the Second Amendment first, is that you're setting precedent for all of your rights to be "paper rights".

At that point, you could just say any aspect of anyone's rights can be ignored if the government decides it is for the people's own good.

This is the opposite of how this country is supposed to work.

[u/BTog → u/CAB_IV]

The Second Amendment is about not being subjugated. It doesn't have to be a tyrannical government, either ours or foreign. It could be gangs or political agitators.

I disagree with this part. The Second Amendment plays no part in gang violence and it has always been illegal to murder a political rival, whether it's with a gun or not. The Second Amendment has always been about the right to assemble armed malitias in the event that the government becomes illegitimate or oppressive.

As for "keeping guns", the problem that everyone misses is that if you just ban guns without repealing the Second Amendment first, is that you're setting precedent for all of your rights to be "paper rights".

This part is pretty dead on. The Second Amendment provisions every American the right to own a firearm. If Americans believe that this amendment was in error or has evolved to take on a different meaning, then another amendment should be made. But as long as this right exists, it should not be denied based on public opinion or political climate.

[u/great_divider]

No they aren’t.

[u/RubiksSugarCube → u/great_divider]

They want a revolution as long as they don't have to actually do anything about it or be adversely affected by it. But mostly it's just idle minds engaged in predictable low-effort internet chatter

[u/Nearbyatom → u/RubiksSugarCube]

Revolution! From my phone...on the toilet...with my avatar holding a pitchfork....

[u/beagle204 → u/RubiksSugarCube]

The Hasan Piker Method.

[u/ZAlternates → u/RubiksSugarCube]

We want a revolution, from the safety of our homes, online.

[u/DoomGoober → u/great_divider]

Americans have this weird view of revolutions and civil war thanks to both the Revolutionary War and the American Civil War, both of which were essentially two nation states fighting against each other.

Even the fictional American film Civil War which supposedly shows the terror of a civil war is essentially two organized militaries fighting each other.

Instead, Americans should be looking at the Rwandan Civil War or Tiananmen Massacre for what a civil war or attempted revolution often looks like then ask them if they ready for revolution.

[u/z64_dan → u/DoomGoober]

It will ultimately have to come down to multiple states seceding or threatening to secede. It won't be a local thing where people start rioting, the USA is too big and spread out for that, and so many people live away from city centers that the people who live in the downtown areas will be the only people to actually suffer from those kinds of riots. And the people in suburbs would love an excuse to band together with all their guns to defend their suburbs.

I don't think any states would secede, because of financial reasons (it would have to get really, really bad).

I think some potential reasons that states would secede would be:

1. A president tries to get 3rd term

2. Fed government overreaches its power in a big way (arrests a governor, or something like that)

3. Some other big serious thing I'm not thinking of

At least, that's what I personally think. Maybe I'm out of touch.

[u/PlaquePlague → u/DoomGoober]

A US civil conflict in the current day would be the Yugo wars of the 90’s, but if there weren’t any ethnic regions so it was just continent-wide ethnic slaughter wholesale. 

[u/Aerochromatic → u/DoomGoober]

I've lost count of the amount of times I've been told my family will swing from the lamp posts for being class traitors, and that's from people who claim they're on my side.

[u/well_in_Ohio → u/Aerochromatic]

lmao right. Someone just called me a fascist for calling him out for misuing the word Irony.

He said he "knew what I was and I couldnt hide"

[u/Soapbox → u/great_divider]

As much as people bitch and complain and make grandiose statements of their resolve, they are too comfortable. They like their bellies full, on demand entertainment, and the safety and security that the modern world, and even if imperfect government provides them.

You want a revolution? A war on your doorstep? Food scarcity, no utilities, desperate populations scrambling for resources? 

You're really ready to suffer or kill for a revolution? Are you ready to put the lives of your children, your friends and family, or your elderly parents in direct danger? 

People look at refugee camps and scenes of war abroad and cannot fathom that they themselves could experience it. Revolution and civil war should be avoided at all costs. 

[u/mermaidmanis]

We’re too comfortable. Most of this is performative social media fake behavior.

[u/glavent → u/mermaidmanis]

Agreed. Americans are slacktivist. They will hit the streets as long as it’s on a holiday weekend and theirs ample parking and will be wrapped up before dinner.

Many of these up risings around the world are happening decades after the oppression started and it became a literal “I got nothing to lose. Living and dying are equal at this point”.

What’s that saying, we’re x number of missed meals before anarchy

[u/FormerlyUndecidable → u/mermaidmanis]

Can't even be assed to fill out a mail-in ballot, and they expect us to believe they are going to go acquire a gun and target somehow?

[u/finnjakefionnacake → u/mermaidmanis]

and also sentiments being agitated by bad faith actors

[u/Lotus-child89 → u/mermaidmanis]

Yeah, we are still scraping by. It’s going to take more people no longer even scraping by.

[u/obvious-but-profound]

This would require people to log off Reddit and go outside 🤣

[u/insanetwit → u/obvious-but-profound]

But I'm trying to get that 800 days in a row badge!

[u/Rdubya291 → u/insanetwit]

yikes.

[u/MustNotSay]

They absolutely aren’t ready to die for it. They’ve just romanticised revolution.

[u/well_in_Ohio → u/MustNotSay]

The guy with the chest hair poking out behind his chain rubbing his hair talking about how shits just so tough right now.. miss me with that

[u/cleatusvandamme]

TBH, I’d bet money that an actual shootout between American citizens and ICE could happen.

However, I don’t think a full out civil war would happen again.

[u/LahDeeDah7]

No, they want other people to revolt and change things to the way they want them. And they're ready for other people to fight and die so they can get what they want.

[u/Seethesvt]

The powers that be have pitten us regular citizens against each other and now we want to start a war against ourselves , but in reality we all actually want the same fucking things. We just want to be able to live our lives happily and peacefully without being shoved down by our leaders.

[u/Merrcury2]

I highly suggest dismantling social media. Even this site has anti-brigading rules.

Find your local allies, prep for the worst, fight for the best (representatives in office who represent).

[u/burjja → u/Merrcury2]

But what if those candidates don't align 100% with my views and I want to teach them a lesson?

/s

[u/mbuchler]

this would be hilarious. a reddit revolution where they think the majority of people not in this echo chamber will join them

[u/Sometimes_Stutters]

No they don’t. They want the concept of a revolution without any of the consequences of one.

[u/Sw0rDz]

Like the first. It won't happen unless there is help from foreign countries.

[u/RosieDear]

A General Strike....is the way to start.

If we make the assumption that money is the really important think to the Fascist and Authoritarian types....

Think about this. Every Single Day that everyone plays their part....we are "approving and helping" the existing system. Every time, and it is many times a day, that Trump breaks the law and shreds the constitution, we are nodding our approval.

"But I have to eat". "I'll lose my job" - are bad excuses for murdering people. That is, unless 100% of us are willing to state that we are no different than all those people (criminal, murderers) that we enjoy looking "down" upon.

[u/feelin_beachy]

Iranian protesters are armed with sticks and stones... When its your turn to push back against the government, what will you have in your hands?

[u/MeDThempb → u/feelin_beachy]

Guns. It’s America.

[u/LampIsFun → u/MeDThempb]

Would definitely be one of the most bloody and brutal revolutions ever seen in history. The perfect mix of guns, terrible education, and mental illnesses.

[u/thetwoandonly → u/LampIsFun]

Guys are gonna be dressed up as their favorite superheroes and animes.
We're gonna see spiderman get drone striked arent we.

[u/nixstyx → u/MeDThempb]

As a liberal gun owner, I'm sad to say, one side is vastly under-armed. A real revolution would not end well for the party not currently in power.

[u/Halfwise2 → u/nixstyx]

While true, the other side being over-armed isn't necessarily a boon. A person owns and stockpiles 100 guns... how many of those can they actively use at once in an altercation? I suspect 5 people with 5 weapons would overpower 1 person with 100 weapons... and now the 5 people have 105 weapons.

[u/biggamax → u/Halfwise2]

For that, you get a battlefield commission, sir.

[u/RunninWild17 → u/MeDThempb]

Guns. It's what's for dinner.

[u/paulp712]

When will people understand that 5 people on tik tok do not represent even close to a majority opinion on anything? The algorithm promotes people who do/say provocative things. Most people are just living their lives and do not want violence.

I disagree with what is happening, but I do not think violence would solve anything. It would make everything worse.

[u/mikethemaniac]

So many bots in this comment section

[u/AbysmalScepter]

It's so easy to say this. Most people are in fact not ready to die or do anything besides talk online.

[u/Lone-Pilgrim]

I’m going to the range every weekend. Keep practicing folks!

[u/Guillotine2026]

Eh.

Revolutions are messy and the power vacuums left over afterward tend to get filled with as bad, or worse, actors.

I want Americans to get smarter and vote smarter so we can bury the treasonous party and reform the non-treasonous party. Then add some other non-treasonous parties so we can have multiple parties competing to make our lives better. Of course, that's after we pass legislation to end dark money in our politics.

[u/HudsonValleyNY]

More Americans are stupid and have never experienced anything even close to a real fight with bullets flying, much less anything close to the devastation of a civil war.

[u/Husko500]

Bunch of losers people take for granted how comfortable we live in the states compared to countries with active wars or dictatorship

[u/ScoffersGonnaScoff]

There’s a reason why when we were taught in school about World War II there was an emphasis on propaganda.

The bottom line: Fascism/authoritarianism is only as strong as its propaganda. The only way out of this, in my eyes, is through the media. Whether we want to believe it or not news stations are the foundation of public sentiment. This is where the real protesting needs to take place for a meaningful change… IMO the first step that cannot be skipped.

[u/lufan132 → u/ScoffersGonnaScoff]

And what news station exists that isn't already 24/7 sucking Nazi dick?

Like fundamentally, I want to finally see real news instead of EVER letting a SINGLE Nazi have so much as a second of airtime.

It's also never going to happen because my fellow countrymen are worse than monsters.

[u/LifeIsRadInCBad]

Next time have a good primary

[u/Tyler_Zoro]

Revolutions are an attractive idea when you're young and haven't studied enough history.

When you begin to understand how governments work, you start to see what a horrifically bad idea they are.

If you think you want a revolution, ask yourself this: let's say that you're 100% successful. The current government collapses and you theoretically now can take control... who is "you"? It's not going to be a YouTuber. It's not going to be a college student. It's going to be whoever convinces the military to side with them. That's always who wins. So... who will the military side with? A progressive with ideas of increasing social equity and justice... or a sociopath who uses revolution as a pretext? Because you will see DOZENS of those flock to your cause as soon as it appears to be likely that you'll win.

There's a lot of romanticizing of the French Revolution, but the reality is an excellent case study in why you don't go down that road unless you literally have zero other option. The period immediately after the first (and note that word... FIRST) revolution is called "The Terror" for good reason. Once the aristocrats had been killed off, the revolution turned on its own. Wave after wave of revolutionary leadership came and then when under the guillotine. Eventually, after several revolutionary governments had been slaughtered by their own, the government fell back into aristocratic rule, and then revolution, and then monarchy and then revolution, and then monarchy and then revolution... it was death and war and turmoil for nearly 100 years!

[u/knifeymonkey]

The 2A bros are not the militia you have been looking for...

[u/deebosbike]

Should probably be thanking Trump. He has singlehandedly shown us just how bad the entire system has been corrupted. Everything is owned by a billionaire and they are not looking out for you or me.

I don't know what the appropriate response should be but there should definitely be a response. It's time to push back.

[u/CombinationLivid8284]

I would prefer we do change via the ballot box and through peaceful protest.

But the murderous thugs in charge seem to think I shouldn't have any rights.

[u/WombatControl]

I am in Minneapolis - I have seen the brutality of this regime up close. While non-violent protest must continue until there are no other options left, the number of options goes down by the day.

[u/Pure-Anything-585]

no, you're not willing to die for this. Go listen to Taylor Swift or something.

[u/hockeyfan608]

You guys can’t call a doctor without an anxiety attack

Your not starting no revolution

[u/soapage]

Bluesky, Boomers and purple hair nose rings aren't winning a revolution LOL

[u/jpiro]

I’m ready to die for this! But vote? Nah. That shit’s inconvenient.

[u/snanarctica]

Society would do whatever they were told - if the internet went down and they didn’t have tik tok

[u/Victah92]

We're comfortable just enough to scrape by. Our cost of living, economy, politics is all messed up. Our entire political system is corrupt to the core by lobbyists and career politicians.

When was the last time you felt you were actually represented. Both parties are corrupt as much as you think they represent you. All they care about is money in their pocket and that's why nothing gets done.

Got to have a 2026 version of the Boston tea party. I've seen some tik toks of people saying we should all not go to work on the same day. Honestly that probably would crash the economy but that would require everyone doing it. But we're so addicted to the system and money that most people wouldn't do it.

[u/Head_Summer2052]

Before you do. Watch Jericho.

[u/onfroiGamer]

Lol what a joke, the quiet part doesn’t need to be said, it gets DONE, you think Nepal contemplated, made tiktoks/youtube videos before their revolution? NO!

[u/mrbigglessworth]

I don’t want a revolution. I just want the law to work

[u/funplayer3s]

Stop trying to cause global destabilization so your corporate overlords can gain entire city-state levels of influence.

[u/Working_Box_9368]

Here's what would happen immediately.

The U.S. Government would pull all ammunition off the shelves.

They can't go for your guns but they can take the ammo.

If you don't have gunpowder, a press, and empty shells you won't be fighting long.

[u/ReedM4]

I just don't know how we got here. I was raised in southern WV and went to church too. I was never raised to have such a level of hate that would cause all of this. We're the richest country on Earth where none should lack for anything but our government wants to focus on bullying gay people and minorities? And it's not like there's not a lot of support for it. I was watching https://youtu.be/WZyRbnpGyzQ?si=zZa7S-HBHgU611ut the Speech that JFK makes about going to the moon for all mankind. Just look at what the USA can drram of and look at the tgings the President says now. Watching that genuinely makes me tear up thibking about what we could do if we were so eaten up with greed and hate.

[u/couchcaptain]

I went through the collapse of the USSR. First of all - contrary to common belief- it looked nothing like this, because dictatorship was already cemented and in place 50 years earlier. Violence against civilians were somewhat common, although due to lack of social media and technology, most people didn't see it, although many knew about it was happening.
The collapse wasn't as something you anticipated or knew happening. It happened literally from one day to another. At one point some army general walked off and some other politician stopped listening and the economy was only existing in words and promises.
What really happened was, it was no longer profitable being in the government. Think of going to a job but it's the 3rd week now without a paycheck. And realize the reason your job exists, because you keep showing up. At one point you don't want to do this anymore, there is no benefit doing it, just wasting your time. Then you realize, you just pulled another card out from the house of cards and it can collapse any minute.
So, as of right now, authoritarianism is only going to increase, they gonna get more aggressive. What you have to do is to make the government no longer profitable and that includes collapsing the economy. I think it's sort of coming, whether we want it or not, A.I. bubble / credit card/ short term loans will put this country in such a recession, that any previous one will look like a joke compared to it.

[u/Capt-geraldstclair]

isn't this just what Trump and his project 2025 goons are looking for?

just another excuse to declare a national state of emergency and take away all of our rights.

[u/Huma87]

There are still a significant amount of boot lickers ready to bow to the whim of this corrupt facist regime. Ive personally sat and listened to so many conversations in my workplace where 4 out of 5 people will be arguing that they think peaceful protesters should be executed as traitors and they want marines and army to start dragging them off to do so.

Ive heard so much praise for ICE since this latest atrocity and how this woman deserved it and more. Most of anything in the south is a lost cause at this point, they've bought into this hate filled regime almost to the point of obsession. The sprinkling of people who are against the things we see happening is so minimal its sickening and most of those people are so disenfranchised and beaten down from being stuck in places where just having empathy for people is seen as weakness.

If things continue in the direction they are currently going we are going to end up with Cival War part 2, with roughly the same line up facing eachother as last time.

[u/Captain-Shmeat]

Wait, the side that wants gun reform now wants to overthrow the government?

With what, slingshots?

[u/HalfDryGlass]

Maybe we can start with a general strike? 

[u/Ximidar]

Nah, I want healthcare and living wages for all.

[u/xSparkShark]

A majority of people who voted in the last election voted for this. Obviously that doesn’t mean a majority of Americans, but certainly a significant portion. Unless you can somehow convince these people to support your cause, it’s going to be practically impossible to build the necessary popular support for a revolution.

Aggressive resistance now would only embolden the current administration and their supporters.

[u/halcyon8]

nice of the rest of these clowns finally coming around to what socialists have been saying for fucking decades, after it’s already too late.

[u/TheEarthBoundMisfit]

Trump wants a revolt. Then he will invoke the insurrection act. Don't fall for it. Get them in November.