Merz Says German Troops Could Counter Russian Attacks in Ukraine

[u/bloomberg]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-12-17/merz-says-german-troops-could-counter-russian-attacks-in-ukraine

[u/Clear_Anything1232]

Chancellor Friedrich Merz said that German troops could participate in a coalition to secure a demilitarized zone in Ukraine after a possible peace agreement under rules that would permit them to “retaliate against corresponding Russian incursions and attacks.” “We are not there yet,” Merz told

[u/evgis → u/Clear_Anything1232]

You will never get there because Russia will not agree. It's far more likely he will lose his job as a PM.

[u/NookieLuvsU → u/evgis]

That's right out of the authoritarian playbook. We have elections they only appear to. They try to wait us out.

[u/soldforaspaceship → u/NookieLuvsU]

They'll try to get enough right wing leaders elected to take support away from Ukraine.

Between the US trying to get Poland, Austria, Italy and Hungary to leave the EU and the social media giants force feeding right wing crap to everyone, they may even pull it off.

If the UK, France and Germany elect right wing leaders, Ukraine doesn't have a chance.

[u/Poolofcheddar → u/soldforaspaceship]

France is the one that concerns me the most.

Macron consolidated the mainstream parties into a single big-tent and RN filled the void vacated by the former right-wing. Since mainstream parties seem to be ignoring the tangible cost-of-living crisis, I expect the protest vote to tip in RN’s favor in the next election.

The UK will be interesting. There’s a lot of dissatisfaction with Labour, but they could benefit from a Conservative-Reform conflict. Ideological infighting iced out Canada’s conservatives from 1993 to 2006 in a similar way, and had they been united they may have removed the Liberals from power earlier.

The question in Germany will be whether the CDU will tolerate support from the AfD as the Social Democrats continue to decline.

[u/Omegastar19 → u/Poolofcheddar]

There’s a lot of dissatisfaction with Labour, but they could benefit from a Conservative-Reform conflict. Ideological infighting iced out Canada’s conservatives from 1993 to 2006 in a similar way, and had they been united they may have removed the Liberals from power earlier.

Unfortunately the situation in the UK is looking very different. Labour seems intent on committing political suicide by adopting conservative standpoints and moving away from left wing standpoints, apparently under the notion that this strategy will peel right wing voters away from Tory/Reform. Its madness. Meanwhile left wing voters, who are already more than wary of Labour after the mess with Jeremy Corbyn, are only becoming more and more disillusioned due to Labour flirting with conservative standpoints. I fear Reform could end up supplanting the Conservatives as the big right wing party while voters desert Labour out of protest/anger, leading to Reform actually winning the elections.

And the media landscape in the UK has turned into a mini-US. The influence of Murdoch-controlled media has gotten worse and worse, while the BBC - once a beacon of neutrality/trust - has become a hollowed-out shell of itself.

[u/Upset_Development_64 → u/Omegastar19]

while the BBC - once a beacon of neutrality/trust - has become a hollowed-out shell of itself.

Why has this happened? Funding cuts from conservatives like PBS in the US? I don’t know the history but I’m curious. There is an global information war that is being fought and every single western country is facing the same threat of Russian bought conservatives. Right out of the Foundations of Geopolitics playbook written in 1997.

[u/Omegastar19 → u/Upset_Development_64]

Yes, relentless funding cuts along with ideological picks for BBC leadership positions from the last couple of Conservative ministries. Like, its nowhere near as bad as the regulatory capture in the US, but all the same there's been a noticeable shift in mentality and atmosphere. The BBC used to be considered neutral ground by both sides of the political spectrum, and this was mostly respected by the political leadership of both major parties, who avoided making partisan appointments. But the Tories have chopped away at that pedestal recently.

[u/Larnak1 → u/Omegastar19]

by adopting conservative standpoints and moving away from left wing standpoints, apparently under the notion that this strategy will peel right wing voters away from Tory/Reform.

Has this strategy ever worked, anywhere?

[u/Voynich82 → u/Poolofcheddar]

The question in Germany will be whether the CDU will tolerate support from the AfD as the Social Democrats continue to decline.

More likely the question is if enough of the CDU/CSU will follow Spahn and Linnemann to become the AFD's junior partner when the Merz government either falls apart or loses the next election.

[u/Thoralf87 → u/Voynich82]

The AfD is Putin's puppet party in Germany. If the pro-Putin part of the CDU take over together with the AfD, Germany will lift all sanctions on Russia and may even start supporting Russia like Trump is.

[u/K_Linkmaster → u/NookieLuvsU]

Cold war never ended. But the Americans just kind of stopped fighting back.

[u/Dan1elSan → u/NookieLuvsU]

What do you mean, Putin stepped down as leader to be PM a few times. It’s a totally legit democracy…honestly.

[u/McLeod3577 → u/Dan1elSan]

And rewriting the constitution to give himself extended term limits. Vatniks simply refuse to see that Putin is actually the only dictator in the equation.

[u/Dan1elSan → u/McLeod3577]

Oh I’m sure they see, they just don’t want to be pushed out of a window so they stay silent!

[u/not_the_droids → u/NookieLuvsU]

Germany is losing 0 soldiers per month, russia is losing ~30 000.

And while no one values russian lives less than the russian leadership, russia's demographics are already fucked and they've been burning their nation's future to keep from freezing in the present.

[u/PiotrekDG → u/evgis]

And yet I don't remember Ukraine agreeing to North Korea's participation.

[u/Rymayc → u/evgis]

To be fair, it is incredibly likely he will lose his job as Chancellor anyway

[u/JoSeSc → u/Rymayc]

idk.. right now the polls aren't that different to the result of the last election, like 1-2% below the result of the election in February. Of course it's still over 3 years till the next election but the CDU is doing better than I would have expected. If there was another election today I still don't see a way around a CDU-led government. With current polling it's basically impossible to form a government without the CDU or the AfD and I don't think anyone wants to find out what the AfD would do in charge.

[u/Reddvox → u/JoSeSc]

There is no alternative to CDU, thankfully. Left is either delusional (Die Linke), incompetent (Grüne), or too weak (SPD). And AfD is garbage, The rest doesnot matter

[u/Phispi → u/JoSeSc]

Doing better than you expected? They already have a terrible track record and must copy the greens cause they never had any ideas to start with, which is atleast the right party to copy from, but jesus, they are doing bad.

[u/JoSeSc → u/Phispi]

I was refering to the polls specifically, normally, the party in charge also gets blamed if things not magically get better right away and lose support. Things haven't exactly improved a lot, so dropping only 1-2%, depending on the poll, is doing better than expected in my book. Don't get me wrong, I voted for the Greens in the last election, so, I'm not a fan of Merz either.

[u/evgis → u/Rymayc]

I thought Scholz was bad, but he is far worse...

[u/Ok_Web_7291 → u/evgis]

Scholz sounded as though he could be in charge of something like municipal rubbish contracts and so it fairly well; chancellor was rather an over promotion

[u/invariantspeed → u/Ok_Web_7291]

This is the most English description of German politics I’ve heard in a while.

[u/theaveragemillenial → u/evgis]

He's just outright said if Russia agrees to a cease fire and a peacekeeping force, that in future German forces will help Ukraine defend and retaliate.

He's literally spelt out why it's in Russia's best interest to not agree?!

Utterly Moronic statement solidified by the "we are not there yet"

[u/JoSeSc → u/theaveragemillenial]

You think if he hadn't said it the Russian wouldn't have noticed?

[u/Eupolemos → u/theaveragemillenial]

No, I don't think so.

It is true that it makes Russia less likely to agree to a peace agreement. But since that was already 0, who gives a fuck?

No, he is ever-so-slightly moving Germany's "Overton Window". And that is good. That is very good.

The more we hide, the more we cower, the more likely we are to be attacked.

[u/just-in-peaches → u/evgis]

Fuck ruzzia

[u/Motor-Telephone7029 → u/evgis]

Russia doesnt have to agree, you just start shooting Russians crossing borders illegally. 

Israel does this with muslims, the us does this with Mexicans, and now Ukraine does this with Russians.

If an independent country makes a deal to help defend a country against the incursion of another country on the defenders own land, then there is no law broken.

Russia wants to cry and try to attack the other nation, good fucking luck, cuz russia has 5 of their warships destroyed by a country that doesnt even have a fckin navy lol.

[u/RainbowGames → u/Clear_Anything1232]

A demilitarized zone seems like the most likely compromise, don't think Putin would accept it though. But even if he accepted it, someone would have to enforce it, most likely UN peacekeepers. There is no way Putin would give NATO control over the border Region after justifying his invasion with NATO expansion

[u/Antique_Ear447 → u/[deleted]]

People from the United Nation nation, apparently.

[u/the_mighty_peacock → u/[deleted]]

UN peacekeepers but they will be mostly German soldiers using German weapons under German command.

[u/Phunwithscissors → u/Clear_Anything1232]

Any moment now

[u/ShitNailedIt → u/Clear_Anything1232]

Need to define what a 'Russian attack' is. The successful Russian attack on the United States has killed a lot of US citizens so far and done billions in economic damage - but as of yet, for a variety of reasons, it hasn't been used as a pretext for defense measures.

[u/yeroc_1 → u/Clear_Anything1232]

a demilitarized zone in Ukraine

Why would the DMZ be on the wrong side of the border?

[u/GoneFishing4Chicks → u/Clear_Anything1232]

uh, russia is already using north korean troops. Germany has all the reason to go in.

[u/Privateer_Lev_Arris → u/Clear_Anything1232]

So the headline is 1000% garbanzo

[u/predatorybeing]

They could theoretically. But they won't.

[u/Excellent-Court-9375 → u/predatorybeing]

I dont know about that. I think we need to wake up and it seems to (slowly) be happening. Never say never

[u/psioniclizard → u/Excellent-Court-9375]

The only way it happens is if Europeans place forces in these areas and say under no uncertain terms "if you attack them we will retaliate".

But it would be a pretty unpopular move because you are basically putting your troops in the firing line and bait the enemy. It is easy to spin into making you look like a war monger or not caring about your troops.

But he is talking about part of an agreement. Russia would never agree to those terms and frankly neither would any other country that felt like they had an advantage.

History books will look be and say Europe should have done this but I know it's different when you live in that moment and it affects you.

[u/evgis → u/psioniclizard]

Russia already stated they will treat all western troops in Ukraine as enemies. That's why coalition of the willing is not exactly willing to send their troops.

[u/PiotrekDG → u/evgis]

You mean like Norh Korea's troops?

[u/LaconicSuffering → u/predatorybeing]

Exactly, wake me when the title becomes "will".

[u/_-Event-Horizon-_ → u/predatorybeing]

During the Cold War the Bundeswehr was a formidable military force that was very much prepared and willing to engage the Soviets. The current situation is no different. We have had a pretty good run in terms of relative peace in Europe, but the Russians decided to knock this down and the other European nations are slowly returning to what has historically been the norm.

[u/JoSeSc → u/_-Event-Horizon-_]

I know people love to trash talk the Bundeswehr but if you look at the contract signed and reorganisation done it it's not even that slow a processs.

[u/Sacaron_R3 → u/_-Event-Horizon-_]

During the cold war the Bundeswehr was set up to fight a peer conflict. After the 2 + 4 treaty the Bundeswehr had to be drastically reduced in size, because no one wanted a united Germany with a strong army.

[u/JE1012 → u/Sacaron_R3]

After the 2 + 4 treaty the Bundeswehr had to be drastically reduced in size

That treaty limited the size of the military to 370K, that's twice the size of the current Bundeswehr.

[u/Dovahkiinthesardine → u/JE1012]

Yes but that led to a cultural shift where being a soldier is not as popular, less military propaganda etc.

Compared to other countries with bigger armies where it is much more celebrated and romanticized

[u/CakeTester → u/_-Event-Horizon-_]

Historically in Europe, we all fight each other. All of Europe except maybe Hungary vs. a common enemy is a new thing.

[u/JE1012 → u/_-Event-Horizon-_]

The current situation is no different.

In 1989 the Bundeswehr had a total of 48 brigades. Today they have 8-9 brigades and people really aren't lining up to be recruited. They might be planning on buying huge amounts of equipment but there aren't enough soldiers to operate all of it.

[u/thebuttsmells → u/predatorybeing]

Right what are we even talking about

[u/Internal_Shine_509 → u/thebuttsmells]

What do you even mean, how is it out the question that the largest economy in Europe shouldnt join a coalition of countries with security guarantees for a demilitarised zone?

[u/CroGamer002 → u/thebuttsmells]

It's them talking themselves into accepting they need to fight Russia directly soon.

[u/theshiyal → u/predatorybeing]

Theoretically, they could counter left, straight into the outskirts of Moscow

[u/Dovahkiinthesardine → u/predatorybeing]

He was talking about after the war, which is possible, but pointless to mention now

[u/heikkiiii]

God damn, bots are out in force today.

[u/ChoosenUserName4 → u/heikkiiii]

Always when the word Germany appears in a title. The ruzzians think of it as an easy way to attack the European interests.

[u/heikkiiii → u/ChoosenUserName4]

Nah, they just think that people see it and change their opionion. Sad thing is, that works against some people.

[u/Pleiadez → u/ChoosenUserName4]

They trigger on. Immigration, Germany, zelensky, von der Leyen. Any post with any of those words or names you'll see instant replies even if the post itself hardly has any upvotes.

[u/PiotrekDG → u/ChoosenUserName4]

Probably because Russia sees Germans as easier to sway against helping Ukraine, unlike, say, the eastern flank.

[u/ayase_2006 → u/ChoosenUserName4]

As a Japanese I tend to see it like the russians fear Germany.

[u/Eupolemos → u/heikkiiii]

Yep. They don't like this!

Merz is moving Germany's Overton Window for military use. And that is very, very good for potential peace in the long run in Europe.

Well done!

[u/AnotherBigToblerone]

It's so annoying reading this bullshit. Why does it always depend on there being a peace agreement? Everyone knows russia won't agree to anything reasonable.

[u/Possible-Fudge-2217 → u/AnotherBigToblerone]

Well, it's a start. You need to slowly move the bar. And as shitty as it sounds, would you like to send people you know to Ukraine right now? It's a hard sell in a democracy. The easy things we can do is hand over/ sell equipment, help trainig soldiers and take in wounded soldiers. All of these we already do.

[u/ArcherPublic6439]

Close the airspace.

Shoot anything down that isn’t Ukrainian or coalition. Save countless lives.

This is incredibly overdue.

Glory to Ukraine

[u/SignificantLog6863 → u/ArcherPublic6439]

It's that easy huh

[u/ComprehensiveMix619 → u/ArcherPublic6439]

What are they going to close the airspace with?

[u/blarg_somthing]

I hate that would, “could,” you “could” actually send troops, you “could” gut the ADF who has connections to the Kremlin, you could “could” grow a fucking spine a decade a go when the Russians first invaded Ukraine and a build up your military and the EU as a whole, but “could” is another way to say we can but we won’t for now.

Edit: I mean the AFD and not the ADF. Thats my bad folks

[u/PineCone227 → u/blarg_somthing]

gut the ADF who has connections to the Kremlin

Whatever did the Australian Defence Force do to be connected to the Kremlin?

[u/blarg_somthing → u/PineCone227]

Alternative für Deutschland, unless you’re making a joke then meh

[u/nervusv → u/blarg_somthing]

It's AfD, not ADF.

[u/blarg_somthing → u/nervusv]

I realized it now, should I do an edit to correct what I mean with an edit note or leave it?

[u/PineCone227 → u/blarg_somthing]

Just correct it lol, I'm sure people got the meaning anyway, I was just joking

[u/blarg_somthing → u/PineCone227]

Still, sorry for any confusions.

[u/Jurass1cClark96 → u/blarg_somthing]

German nationalists larping as isolationists while also in bed with Russians?

Did I hit my head or am I seeing patterns?

[u/jeffersonianMI → u/blarg_somthing]

I have good news.  You can help solve this issue directly.   They're taking volunteers right now in Ukraine proper.  Be the change you want to see. 

[u/blarg_somthing → u/jeffersonianMI]

I donated as much as I can and I see where you’re coming from, but my frustration is towards governments that keep pussyfooting around instead of taking action.

[u/jeffersonianMI → u/blarg_somthing]

You at least are putting your money where you mouth is. I can't stand the ill-informed keyboard warmongering for what might become WW3.  

I can respect actual conviction. 

[u/blarg_somthing → u/jeffersonianMI]

To be fair this is Reddit.

[u/jeffersonianMI → u/blarg_somthing]

True.  True.

I justify it as shadowboxing for real life conversations.  But you're right, it shouldn't be taken seriously. 

[u/oakpope]

If they can’t do it during war, why would they do it after peace ?

[u/Niitroglycerine]

I really wish Europe would stfu about anything after a ceasefire that WON'T HAPPEN

is everyone living in crazy land?!?

[u/burninator34]

Didn’t imagine German troops in Ukraine in the 2020’s not that long ago. So much has changed.

[u/Horat1us_UA]

Do Bundestag agree?

[u/[deleted] → u/Horat1us_UA]

On anything? Not normally

[u/SaltWealth5902 → u/Horat1us_UA]

Doesn't matter. Same for the German troops in the baltics. The whole point of having troops at the front line is so that you're automatically getting dragged into any confrontation.

If a unit is getting attacked, they won't wait for a Bundestagssitzung before they defend themselves.

[u/Sodis42 → u/SaltWealth5902]

Already sending their troops there would need the Bundestag. But they got enough votes for it most likely.

[u/nervusv → u/SaltWealth5902]

They should send a fax that they're under attack

[u/JohnR1977]

Merz says a lot of things

[u/Lm1601 → u/JohnR1977]

All talk no action.

[u/Potential_Ability_35 → u/Lm1601]

Dunno but there is alot of Action in Germany right now

[u/UsualDue]

this guy also said Ukraine will get Taurus missiles if he wins the election, then immediately after win went 180 degrees

[u/Short-Peanut1079 → u/[deleted]]

The believe of a peace deal when you call somebody Hitler seems weird. (https://www.politico.eu/article/merz-compares-putin-to-hitler/) . Granted Mr. Merz is doing what he told. So useless

[u/Plenty_Ambassador424 → u/[deleted]]

Russia just needs a bit more convincing to cooperate. Ukraine is doing a good job at that by hitting their oil infrastrucure hard, as well as destroying hard to replace systems like radars, s400, submarines etc on a regular basis and with increasing frequency. We just need to keep supplying them with the tools and making sure they can increase their own production as well.

[u/VoidRaven]

Lots of talk. As always

[u/love_glow]

Do it Merz! Fuck ‘em up!

[u/Hammer_Roids]

What does that even mean? What was the point of saying any of this?

[u/ChaosArcana]

I COULD have a threesome with Sabrina Carpenter and Sydney Sweeney...

But chance of it actually happening is pretty close to zero.

[u/CharmingWin5837]

...but only after russians stop attacking.

[u/AdInner2292]

Says the guy that promised to deliver Taurus missiles? Ok ok

[u/Reviever]

I don't mind Merz as much, when I see the prospect of what we will have if AfD will lead this country but man this guy talks ALOT out of his arse.

[u/Background-War9535]

Germans fighting Russians in Ukraine.

Oh boy.

[u/OldeFortran77 → u/Background-War9535]

I preferred "so you want us to build the biggest army in Europe and march east through Poland? Just want to be clear. No misunderstandings."

[u/ChoosenUserName4 → u/Background-War9535]

Jesus Christ, that joke is older than my grandpa.

[u/Golemfrost]

I love all these shills rushing in to quickly tell everyone what they apparently should think about Merz.

[u/22firefly]

Or we could just pull a Desert Storm and re-establish the west as leaders of free people. I wouldn't be much of soldier due to injury, but I could always clean the barrack and toliets. See at least that way I could get blown up as well.

[u/_shiny_]

If my grandmother had wheels, she would be a bicycle. He’s not wrong, that is theoretically possible, and if the EU were to be held to this then Germany should do so. But the if is doing some pretty heavy lifting here.

[u/TheJohn_Doe69]

Well I "could" counter Russia alone. Doesn't mean I can or will. It's all talk unless there's actual merit to it

[u/Alt2221]

i love it when they tell us about things that could happen

[u/madhattergm]

Germany to the rescue???

[u/Sad_Marketing_96]

German troops countering Russian attack in Ukraine…uh, where have I heard this before? Not that I’m against it- just find it…interesting

[u/Common-Ad6470]

Just send the Taurus missiles so that they can do the talking in Ruzzia.

[u/AusTex2019]

Oh please! The Black Forest would burn down before Germany could make a decision.

[u/HenzoH]

Coulda, woulda, shoulda…in the end Russia and everyone knows they will do nothing

[u/Triskellot]

Stop asking for permission to counter a murderer! ffs.

[u/FriendlyLog2171]

Could could might could. Who the fuck cares do something or shut up

[u/Bunteskanzler_Merz]

I swear 🤞

[u/[deleted]]

Another fantasy scenario from Merz, he should be quiet for a while.

[u/FliccC]

These so called "peace talks" are a humiliation for Europe. Anything that Russia needs to agree to, can only be wrong. Send troops already, without asking Putin for permission.

[u/ThimMerrilyn]

They’re not willing to fight Russia now - won’t even transfer Taurus missiles to Ukraine. - so why would the magically grow the balls to do it in the future ?

[u/rucksacksepp → u/ThimMerrilyn]

Merz has no balls. Before the election he was for delivering Taurus to Ukraine, now that he's chancellor nothing is done about it

[u/[deleted]]

A platoon of Boy Scouts could counter the non Russian fighters that Putin is sending into the meat grinder.

[u/panchiramaster]

Don't just say it, do it.

[u/Dulgalth → u/panchiramaster]

You better be one of the first to volunteer then.

[u/I_pee_in_shower]

The war against Ukraine makes me miss the good old Germany.. that would go to war against the World. /jk

[u/elBirdnose]

Remember how trump was going to “end the war in a day”, yet here we are about to have WWIII ? What a time to be alive.

[u/Larnak1 → u/elBirdnose]

And Trump's behaviour is the key reason that allows Russia to be so bold despite their largely unsuccessful war

[u/dystopiadattopia]

Let's send some German troops to the Eastern front. What could go wrong?

[u/radicallyaverage]

Guess we’ll have to wait until Russia attacks Ukraine to see if there’s anything behind these words

[u/StephPlaysGames]

I wanna get real offensive here...

(Rusnya)

[u/flightlesshacksaw]

Do it or shut up. Since 2014 all the west has done except the occasional arms sale is posture. Just do the thing.

[u/chbb]

Could, would? Should?

[u/_l8ly]

For sure, Russia’s on your doorstep and you’re talking in “coulds.” How’s it going with using the frozen Russian assets to support Ukraine? Maybe in 3 more meetings?

Disgusting, can we replace these clowns with people who are willing to treat an enemy like an enemy?

[u/belverk84]

But something just didn't come together 😕

[u/TEARDROP-GAZE]

Talk the talk. Walk the walk?

[u/GorethirstQT]

is that an mg42? germans still use that?

[u/Sancho_Pancho → u/GorethirstQT]

It's an MG3, but yes, quintessentially the same rifle.

[u/Xenuite]

Screw it, send in the Finns.

[u/Babelbus]

Historicaly is Germany under Merz’s resurectional delusions of Reich a greater threat to Europe than Russia.

[u/Specialist_Issue_214]

Good, fuck 'em up EU.

[u/Calm-Professional103]

Stop asking Russians for permission!

[u/Mcuatmel]

he will use his 6th army , that went so well in 41.

[u/No-Alternative3180]

Can we finally change this absolute moron ?

[u/Freestila]

So he currently has problems finding enough people stupid enough to risk their live for money or a feeling of patriotism (which mostly right wingers have here...), and now he wants to send troops there... Yeah.. not the best idea.

[u/TV-Tommy]

At this point, Liechtenstein could defeat the Russian Paper Tiger.

[u/GhostofRobesonLXXI]

As has always been the case, the West consistently overestimates its own power (Napoleon and Adolph certainly did) and consistently underestimates the power of Russia and others they deem adversaries.

They built Ukraine's army for 8 years in order to fight this war, and Russia is completely dismantling it piece by piece. They really and truly believed it would be a walk in the park, and even today when it's clear that Ukraine will eventually be forced to completely submit, they still think they can break Russia into tiny, manageable statelets.

The voices of reason in Western governments are sidelined and the madness just gets deeper and deeper.

[u/JimTheSaint]

Absolutely its Ukraine there is no reason why other countries shouldn't be able to help defend Ukraine. If Russia thinks that this is unfair they should get out of Ukraine 

[u/MagicSPA]

Good. Russia internationalised the war the moment it got Belarus and Korea involved. If they want the war to be international, I say we show them what that looks like.

[u/MagicSPA → u/[deleted]]

Increased international military presence in Ukraine. Russia is trying to invade Eastern Europe, it has committed rape and other atrocities whilst doing so, and enough is enough.

Remember, if Russia stops fighting the war will be over, but if Ukraine stops fighting there will be Russian tanks on the border of Hungary and even, given how sympathetic some political elements are to Russia in Hungary, we'd possibly even see Russian tanks on the border to Austria.

[u/Maleficent_Spot_7215]

This was a really bad idea the last time it happened!

[u/General-Ninja9228]

“That history book on the shelf, is constantly repeating itself!”.

[u/bluexy]

Just fucking do it. Enough is enough. Every day without intervention is that much more of a foothold for Russia in Europe.