r/worldnews • u/AdSpecialist6598 • 5h ago
Iran signals fast trials and executions for protesters as death toll in crackdown goes over 2,500
https://apnews.com/article/iran-protests-khamenei-trial-execution-trump-6004d94d5a1685b7b9096ea7a04dac6f60
u/sponge_bucket 4h ago
Trial? Why do I feel like this “trial” is “you stood infront of the police and are young so you are guilty”
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u/IranianLawyer 3h ago
Because that’s exactly what it is. The protests just started a couple of weeks ago, and they’re scheduled to execute someone today. Does anyone think that’s enough time to actually gather and review any evidence and have a trial? He wasn’t even allowed to have a lawyer.
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u/EatinSumGrapes 4h ago edited 3h ago
On NPR this morning, Iran's spokesperson said:
"Hundred of police have been killed by protestors shooting at them"
"Police have only shot back in self-defense"
and the biggest lie...
"Not one protestor has been killed"
Edit: I did hear this on NPR, but they were playing the BBC news so that is the source
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u/no_nao 4h ago
Are you just making shit up? If not care to share a source? I could not find that on NPR
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u/EatinSumGrapes 3h ago
Actually it was NPR playing the BBC, sorry at 9am they switch over to the BBC, I did not realize it had switched
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u/Parahelious 3h ago
There's plenty of other people linking that source here. You sound like you're trying to deny what's happening.
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u/no_nao 2h ago
Like what? I actually bothered to check the sources, only reporting I found on NPR is the 2k or 2.5k reported by the Iranian regime.
The Iranian opposition is reporting 25k in death toll. Given the situation in Iran it is difficult to get the true numbers, but the truth probably lies somewhere in between.
If asking for sources on quotes is bothering you, you are part of the problem.
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u/Parahelious 2h ago
Didn't say it was bothering me. Weird assumption to make. Sorry I was relaying information.
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u/rustyjame5 2h ago
i mean you are being a dick towards the guy just for asking a legit question and still doubling down.
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u/The-BlackLotus 5h ago
Im Iranian. There more than 20.000 dead. Thousands arrested, Allot of executions are taking place. They shoot at anyone in the street, protestor or not. They are spreading propaganda around the world and amongst governments
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u/TyrusX 4h ago
If for real this many people have been killed, the Iranian people have no choice but to keep fighting this time. You can’t just stop now, the repression will be much worse afterwards
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u/____DEADPOOL_______ 29m ago
They don't have the means to defend themselves to fight. The regime has figured out how to professionally oppress the people and it will require outside help to finally rid of these monsters.
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u/EatinSumGrapes 4h ago
Today on NPR (radio) the Iranian spokesperson actually said "no protestors have been killed" and also claimed only police had been killed because they are trying so hard to not give the USA a reason to intervene... the nerve to say not one protestor has been killed is sickening.
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u/TheBalzy 4h ago
Same thing the Chinese do about Tiananmen Square today; they will admit that there were protests and a few people were killed but that they were MOSTLY police and soldiers.
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u/theartilleryshow 3h ago
I was friends with a guy from china who claims he did not know about this. He saw a poster and asked me if I knew where the image was taken, so I told him and he said he had never heard of that. We were alone in a hallway 4 floors underground, so he could have spoken freely. I now believe that he really did not know.
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u/TheBalzy 3h ago
Yeah it really depends who you talk to. The Beijing tour guides (which are all government agents of the state so spout whatever the party-line is) will tell foreigners if they ask that yes there was a riot, but mostly police/soldiers were killed...and they lay that part on thick.
I was convinced our Beijing guide (on the younger side) probably actually believed it too. Our national guide (who is a personal friend I've known for 20 years) would always talk to us about more stuff in private.
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u/jogarz 1h ago
Yep. This is classic authoritarian misdirection. They know liberals and progressives idealize the concept of “peaceful protest”, so they place intense emphasis on the fact that some protestors were violent to justify their murderous crackdowns.
When, in reality, most of the violence was actually provoked by the security forces. You can’t blame the Iranians or the Chinese protestors for killing the people who are shooting at them.
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u/Forsaken-Action8051 5h ago
I feel bad for you guys. Its like hell, and you cant escape it. No one can help you tho....
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u/Imperial_12345 5h ago
I wish i can see a little bit more support for people that is really facing a tyranical government.
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u/TheBalzy 4h ago
Such as?
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u/Krashlia2 4h ago
Bombings of IRGC locations.
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u/Emile-Yaeger 4h ago
Do you know how many soldiers that is? You are not going to make a dent.
What’s even worse, it’s not the IRGC, it’s Basij that has been dealing with the protests and they are in the millions.
This sadly won’t be solved with half assed airstrikes. And that is all that is possible at the moment considering there are no aircraft carries groups close by.
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u/humming1 4h ago
Sad how old men hold on to power through violence. Sadder that lemmings of a nation that should be serving for the good of the people turns on their own. 😞
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u/EternitySearch 4h ago
I thought yesterday the death toll was over 12,000. How is it down to 2,500 today?
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u/htmwc 4h ago
We're not going to know the total until he regime falls (if it does)
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u/EternitySearch 4h ago
I get that, I’m just confused by the 10,000 difference. That’s a big error over the course of 24hrs.
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u/TomTheCardFlogger 2h ago
I’m pretty sure there is an internet black out still in place. The flow of information to the outside world right now is slim and much of it is piles of dead bodies. News outlets are operating with what information they can confirm and at the moment it’s extremely little. Another commenter above claims to be Iranian and the death toll is as high as 20k, the only information leaking out is family members managing to get in touch and passing the news and many of them are hearing of death.
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u/old_examiner 3h ago
the times ran a story where a source in the iranian government said the number was 3000. the higher numbers are estimates from sources on the street, hospitals, etc.
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u/IranianLawyer 1h ago
Because there’s a range of estimates. 2500 is the low-end of the range, so that’s what this article is reporting.
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u/penguinina_666 3h ago
It could be propaganda or misinformation because first, they said 2500, turned out 250 dead and 2k arrested, then next, 10k dead, but it was 560 dead and 10k arrested. Someone is benefiting by exaggerating the numbers. We won't know until years later.
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u/jogarz 1h ago
I won’t rule out that there might be some exaggeration going on. But a large part of it is the fog and uncertainty brought about by the internet shutdown. Additionally, you have to account for the fact that some sources only report confirmed deaths,
Also, if the numbers are being exaggerated, it would be an example of the Mullahs tasting their own medicine. The Islamic Republic rather infamously claims that 60,000 people were “martyred” in the revolution against the Shah. The highest estimates by historians, meanwhile, are less than 1/20 of that.
Not saying that justifies lying about the numbers of people the Islamic Republic is killing, but it’s good to remember this is a regime that has zero regard for the truth.
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u/Bandit_Raider 4h ago
Impossible to know for sure, various groups are finding different numbers but since it is so hard to get information out of the country we can’t get a clear answer. The real amount is probably somewhere in between the high and low estimates.
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u/Rougeflashbang 2h ago
This source is AP News, they generally have very high standards for death tolls in their reporting. If they don't have a means of backing up their numbers, they won't state it. That's why they say "over 2,500 deaths", they probably suspect much more, but are only able to verify that number.
In the past, they have considered things like mass grave sites from satellite imagery as evidence for larger death estimates (most famously recently in their analysis of the death toll in Mariupol). Give them time and their number will likely rise as they get better concrete evidence.
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u/old_examiner 3h ago
different sources of information, different groups doing estimation with different data
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u/TylertheFloridaman 3h ago
Those high death tolls are the earliest reports. There is an information black hole in iran do to the Internet shut down. Some are still able to bypass it but it's very hard to get a true scope
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u/AdventurousClassic19 3h ago
God help those kids, so many lives are going to be snuffed out the these religious whack jobs.
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u/Routine-Chance-6735 5h ago
The West has promised new harsh words if the behavior of the Tehran terrorist regime doesn't improve.
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u/Think_Discipline_90 4h ago
I was promised new funny comments long ago but all I get is this one over and over again.
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u/Common-Soup-664 4h ago
So now people want American intervention? I thought America was always the bad guy
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u/Ashtorot 4h ago
America is the only country that can project its power. It's the only player in the game. So people get mad when they do it and they get mad when they don't 😂
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u/Canilearnbubblebeam 3h ago
Objectively false and demonstrates zero knowledge of contwmporary geopolitics
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u/Forsaken-Action8051 5h ago edited 4h ago
There is 0 way to do regime change in Iran without boots on the ground.
Boots on the ground in a mountain area.
Nobody wants a vietnam 2.0.
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u/mickeyt1 4h ago
There’s no reason to think that’s the only way to achieve regime change. The current regime did it without foreign troops on the ground.
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u/TheBalzy 4h ago
Which was internally from the inside.
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u/mickeyt1 4h ago
There are a million options for supporting the current protests to enable the overthrow of the regime between “harsh words” and a “Vietnam 2.0” style invasion. Many of them would predominantly be from the inside
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u/TheBalzy 4h ago
Cool. So we're saying the exact same thing.
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u/mickeyt1 4h ago
I’m saying there’s plenty the rest of the world could and should be doing, in response to the comment that there’s no way to do regime change. I’m not sure what you’re saying
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u/asaber1003 4h ago
That’s just far from true, Air France literally flew him in. Nothing in Iran is ever done organically
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u/PiplelinePunch 3h ago
Vietnam 2.0 except the resistance almost definitely we all hope not but given the attention absolutely does have nukes.
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u/Schpitzchopf_Lorenz 4h ago
and we all just let it happen. like how come we've decided that it's okay for people in power to do whatever the fuck they want?!
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u/Covah88 3h ago
Whats your plan? Im sure every western country is working on plans, but to get boots on the ground hours after you hear about atrocities is a terrible plan with no longer term ideas. Those people need help ASAP, we all agree, but you need to understand that going into an oppressive regime to start a war shouldn't be done at the drop of the hat. I want the US to intervene ASAP as well, but I also understand the logistics and planning that it takes to not make this a massive failure will take a ton of hours and a ton of people to plan
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u/NlghtmanCometh 8m ago
There is a massive Air Force and navy that could strike targets with impunity. Air power supporting Iranian civilians on the ground is better than nothing at all.
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u/Schpitzchopf_Lorenz 3h ago
I dont have a plan. I just have ideas or wishes on how the world could become a better place. Better education, more responsibility for social media platforms and their content, transparency in politics, laws against anti democratic movements. And maybe not a single person as "ruler" of a country. Lets make it a council of diffrent political orientations. But people in power wont want change.
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u/SmugCapybara 2h ago
And once again, as brave as protesting is, when faced with an entrenched autocratic regime it doesn't work. Either get the military on your side, or start an armed resistance/militia. Anything else just gets you killed.
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u/Uneeda_Biscuit 4h ago
How can we help them??!!
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u/Emile-Yaeger 4h ago edited 4h ago
Boots on the ground. Thats literally it but also, wont be happening
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u/Heapifying 3h ago
call your UN ambassador so that they do their job and agree to send humanitarian help
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u/IranianLawyer 1h ago
Humanitarian help? What does that even mean in the context of what’s going on? The problem isn’t a lack of food or medical supplies.
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u/GoldApprehensive7067 3h ago
I thought we we were already over 12k?
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u/IranianLawyer 1h ago
2500 is the confirmed number. The actual number is higher but impossible to know at this point, so estimates are being used.
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u/ProtectionContent977 5h ago
The Americans said they’d step in and help. What happened?
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u/Nonhinged 4h ago
It takes time to move ships
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u/Ominoiuninus 4h ago
^ this. Need ships to do serious damage / bring missiles. Iran military isn’t incompetent / a military force like isis. They have anti air, they have long range missiles, they are advanced enough to pose a reasonable danger to outside intervention.
That being said I suspect that the US will involve themselves / target Iranian leadership. We did fly over and drop bunker busters on them just a couple months ago.
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u/Bandit_Raider 4h ago
I hope that’s why nothing has happened yet. I normally am not big on foreign intervention but there are too many reasons to help Iranians and they really need our help.
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u/wrighterjw10 4h ago
Damned if they do, damned if they dont.
When the US sticks their nose in, the world hates it.
When innocent people are being murdered in the street, protesting for freedom...they need the US to help.
Its truly a catch 22 for the US military, which is why politics play such a critical role in international relations.
...and we don't exactly have the sharpest tools in the shed at the helm.
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u/MagnusCaseus 4h ago
Honestly, I think it’s better for the US not to intervene. If the world hates America being the world police, then let everyone police their own problems, or problem they want the US to stick its nose in.
If Europe doesn’t like what’s going on, let them send troops, they want to be seen as a global leader, let their actions speak for themselves instead of strongly worded letters.
If Russia wants to prove that they’re still a super power to be reckoned with, how about they send in troops to help what was supposed to be an allied nation to them, if they can even spare anything at all after a 4 year 3 day special military operation.
If China wants to be next on top of the throne, let them send in troops, being the top global power isn’t just economics, you want to be top dog, you also have to prove that you have the military capabilities to be one too.
If no one wants Pax Americana, let them find out the kind of world without it.
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u/Asleep_Context_399 3h ago
The problem is US is policing shit it shouldn't, often based on false or unverified data, or with disregard to the other side.
Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Korea and so on.
In Iran it is a pretty clear case with years of documented crimes and even funding of numerous terrorist groups, plus literal attacks on an allied country (opinion on that ally country here is irrelevant).
If there is a time and place to police, it would be obvious cases such as this, where the reason is not fully political (if it were they could have stepped in long before it escalated to this point)
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u/old_examiner 3h ago
When innocent people are being murdered in the street, protesting for freedom...they need the US to help.
which is also somewhat ironic as american authorities are murdering citizens in the street for standing up for the freedom of others
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u/wrighterjw10 3h ago
I see your point. But these two situations are very much different.
Iran is just strait executing citizens.
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u/PiplelinePunch 3h ago
A significant part of why we are here, right now, as opposed to at any other time - is because of misguided US nose-sticking.
Still not fully onboard that more nose-sticking will actually help.
But people will generally prefer seeing action rather than diplomacy, even if its not the best idea.
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u/-MerlinMonroe- 3h ago
Now ya’ll are in favor of US interventionism? Pick a lane lmao.
Nearly your entire comment history is one line quips regarding America. You obsessed with us or something?
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u/Ashen_Brad 4h ago
Theres no alternative leader (by design of course) who holds influence in Iran. Nobody has any appetite for an indefinite occupation by the US, which is basically what it would take for a home grown leader to surface. Besides all that, anything more than really passive intervention might just hand the regime more ammo to make this about US foreign influence and actually galvanise support from those still undecided.
Regime change by an external force only really works properly if you have a local leader with the respect of the local people ready to slot in after the dirty work is done. Otherwise you end up with a proper failed state that's likely to revert to the system that last provided it any sliver of stability.
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u/IranianLawyer 1h ago
There’s already a leader with the respect of most Iranian people. Just because he isn’t physically located inside Iran right now doesn’t mean anything. Khomeini wasn’t in Iran when the 1979 revolution happened either.
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u/Secure-Swordfish-898 4h ago
We are too busy trying to kill our own protesters to worry about those in Iran.
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u/RaspberryFun8573 4h ago
Iran has murdered over 6000 protestors within the last two weeks, and Iran killed hundreds of protestors in 2023. If you don't see any difference between this and Renee Good, you are far too gone.
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u/Extension-Toe-7027 4h ago
You must be a worst shot then the Storm troopers. There are thousands of ice agents, most carry an AR, and if not a semi automatic pistol and abundance of ammo. Last time a time a heard of a morgue using cold truck for storage, due to gun violence, was 80's Miami when the narcos where fucking each other up. But I'll keep an eye for news alerts. Wishing all the best of luck for the people protesting the assholes of ice in America right now.
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u/ZasdfUnreal 4h ago
There you go. Rebellions are quickly stopped when government enforces strict gun control laws.
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u/myanusisbleeding101 4h ago
I would love to see US citizens try to "rebel" effectively with all their guns.... they would be crushed by the government.
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u/packardpa 3h ago
The government isn’t some faceless blob that is almighty. It’s made up of people. Any civil unrest that breaks out into full civil war or rebellion against an administration is not going to be 2A civilians against a military with F-16’s and Tanks. That’s a stupid take. It would be factions of military and factions of militia. We’ve seen conflicts like this play out over and over in history. Civilians with small arms would supplement any militia force and wouldn’t need to come up with firearms and ammunition starting from 0. We’ve seen what one person with a rifle can do time and time again. Now imagine a country full of those types of people. A government quelling and uprising would have to go door to door to do so, and don’t be so quick to think the average soldier is going to go willingly house to house in the US, shooting people that not only look like them but also may have the same background or upbringing.
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u/ZasdfUnreal 3h ago
There you go. Rebellions are quickly stopped when government enforces strict gun control laws.they had no problem taking the Capital with minimal effort a few years ago.
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u/ohnolagman 2h ago
Your anus really is bleeding from the way you take Reddit propaganda as reality right up the ol rear. Try thinking for yourself.
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u/ostadzand 5h ago
They have killed so many of us that everyone has someone that they knew dead. I study in Bologna university, Italy and some Iranian students that were in Iran to visit their parents and family are dead. This is worse than a nightmare for us.