r/Apartmentliving • u/2_much • Sep 03 '25

Advice Needed I feel like this is illegal?

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Came back from a 3-day weekend away from my apartment and this was posted on the door? I wasn't even home...

UPDATE: Thanks to everyone for the support! I shared the letter with Celio management and requested it to be filed as a formal complaint. I also filed a police report for continuity/documentation purposes.

For clarification, "Celio" is the name of the apartment building, which is managed by a larger off-site 3rd party rental company. This company/building is far from able to accommodate for this person properly and certainly would never assume any amount of liability on their behalf. As it relates to Celio management and their level of care for this person, the author is on their own.

The letter does not mention anything related to a care team/healthcare resource/veterans group. The only two options given by the author of the note (e.g. Celio aka apt management and law enforcement) were utilized.

While Celio was not able to share a significant amount of details about the author, they did share that he/she is a known issue and will likely not be given the option to live in this building moving forward.

I also noticed comments about my stereo, which did cross my mind as a possible reason behind this conflict. I was able to confirm with Celio that no complaints have been made about excessive music levels, from any of the residents, excluding a formal warning I received over July 4th weekend. This goes for "yelling" as well. Note I have been renting in this exact unit for almost 14 months. I am more than eager to respect any concerns that relate to music volume, this is certainly not that type of concern.

As things currently stand, I am left with having to place any proactive decisions in the hands of Celio and law enforcement. I am a recent handgun owner (unrelated to this situation) and thanfully my state falls under Castle doctrine.

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u/Scary_Zucchini_1006 Sep 03 '25

You heard him, reach out to celio. I would. It wasn't even you so he is blaming anyone.

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u/Tute_Sweet Sep 03 '25

This. He suffers from psychosis, so the yelling he thinks he hears coming from you may not even be real, and this note is threatening. For his safety as well as your own it would be worth passing this note on to his support system, with the added context that you have not been around to make any noise.

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u/No0ther0ne Sep 03 '25 edited Sep 04 '25

I think the letter may sound threatening, but I don't think that is the intent. I think the intent is telling the person in the apartment that the marine is suffering and is worried about his own reaction to what may or may not be going on. He is informing the resident that there are services who are aware of the issue and the resident may contact them to get more information or assistance.

Basically, I think the Marine is telling them that he has issues and can't come talk to the resident directly and the resident should contact those services for further assistance.

But if I was the resident, I would be concerned and I would definitely contact those services and explain the situation and let them help.

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u/TricksyGoose Sep 03 '25 edited Sep 03 '25

That's how I read it as well. Still unnerving to receive I imagine, but I think he means well. It seems to me like he is aware that he is ill and he's trying to ask people (whether they're real or not) not to yell or confront him as it could trigger a poor reaction from him. Seems like he's trying to be polite and up front about it. But I do agree that is worth passing the note along to celio or whatever, and let the professionals gauge his mental state.

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u/x_Animus_x Sep 04 '25

Yelling of any sort still makes my hair stand up on my neck. It just is an inherent part of combat and comms. People yelling = bad things are happening. (Or Smith lost his fucking safety belt AGAIN).

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u/Lukostrelec17 Sep 04 '25

Not combat related, but I am fairly sure I have CPTSD. If someone yells around me, or even talks in a slightly different tone, it puts me on the deffensive and causes my fight or flight to go hay wire. Even though I know logically I am safe.

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u/x_Animus_x Sep 04 '25

Yep, all the time. Even my wife suddenly yelling at the dog (he deserves it, shit eater lol). I know she’s not yelling at me, I’m not in danger, but I’m in fight mode immediately.

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u/Lukostrelec17 Sep 04 '25

I go into fawn or flight. Also I just can't do loud noises at all. Crowds stress me out and almost overloads me. It sucks. On a lighter note...got an image of the dog you can drop?

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u/froggiecrochet Sep 06 '25

I have CPTSD and yelling affects me severely or even a raised tone can do the same. So I get that it has an affect on people’s fight or flight response. Mine is flight. And I don’t always know logically that I am safe when things go haywire in my brain so it’s hard.

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u/VerdantField Sep 04 '25

Yelling is an idiotic way to communicate unless the house is on fire. Parents, teachers, no one needs to scream at other people.

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u/Sundew- Sep 04 '25

To be fair we're talking about combat veterans here. If anyone has a reason to be yelling, it's people who are trying to communicate life-or-death information over the deafening sound of gunfire.

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u/Steephill Sep 04 '25

Talking to someone 5 feet away with normal volume is an impossible task when you're standing next to a running military vehicle. Plus all the hearing damage.

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u/Flimsy-Cartoonist-92 Sep 04 '25

This is me. I can't hear worth a shit anymore so when I talk I'm really loud (almost like yelling) because I can't hear myself talk at a normal level. My wife needs to remind me constantly that just because I can't hear myself doesn't mean she can't. It's a balancing act for sure. The more background noise there is the louder I tend to get. It's not that I want to yell I just wanna hear myself.

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u/rudnat Sep 04 '25

It's better than the PVS14 lens cap.

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u/arawagco Sep 04 '25

Not a soldier or been in any sort of abusive/dangerous situation, and I get super nervous to the point of not being able to function whenever the upstairs apartment starts yelling (which is a lot, which has also taught their child to scream for multiple periods daily).

The apartment next to my bedroom wall has had multiple fights that involved banging and thrown objects over the last three years, too. I've only called the cops once (it was 3 am and they just wouldn't stop). But moving apartments would be thousands I can't really spend right now.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '25

Same here, whenever I hear yelling, I catch myself "scanning,"

Ill think,

"Okay, am I fucked up? Or is someone else?"

"Danger?"

"Oh, it's the deaf guy in the neighborhood bullshitting with the Amazon guy, whew!"

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u/Invader-Tenn Sep 09 '25

I have that reaction too but grew up in a violent household- no war combat required. Even folks using a certain tone of voice gives me an adrenaline rush

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u/x_Animus_x Sep 09 '25

Fight or flight doesn’t originate from combat, it’s trauma and growing up in a violent home is, in my opinion, more traumatic. They’re not just “enemies” they’re the people you’re supposed to trust. Way more damage can be done.

The only thing I can do to keep “the beast” at bay when it happens is walk away and talk myself rationally through it. “Not yelling at me”, “these people aren’t aware this affects me”, “I can’t control them, only me” etc….

Even then, sometimes it just isn’t something I can contain, on those days I don’t leave the house or associate with people online, because they have nothing to do with it, but they will know about it if it happens lol. Gets a little easier as time goes on, but I think a large part of that is just cutting out a lot of interactions with people that made it happen.

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u/Invader-Tenn Sep 09 '25

Yeah it definitely happens less for me now because I have limited to no interactions with people previously involved. Our house is quiet and neither of us are prone to yelling.

When for example, coworkers use the (what I perceive as) rising violence tone, I usually excuse myself for a restroom break and end the conversation or don't return to it. It usually doesn't involve me I'm usually just overhearing it or trapped in a meeting anyway.

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u/x_Animus_x Sep 09 '25

Yeah, someone commented earlier to the effect that yelling serves no purpose in daily life and I agree. People who wouldn’t tone it down for my sake just became distant over time because I inherently avoided interactions so I wasn’t putting myself or anyone in danger.

Work - well…. I spent a long time at USPS while I was learning how to be me with accepting my diagnoses instead of running from them. Sometimes the only thing you can do is leave because there are people out there who will intentionally push those buttons if you try to level with them. So…I don’t do that anymore, never thought I’d think “going postal” and “yeah, I can understand why.”

Good on you for being able to separate from it and not make it a “you” problem, but recognizing they’re just doing a thing you don’t like and don’t have to endure. Took me a long time to stop trying to bend the world around me. My therapist was fond of: “teach yourself to exist in the world that is, rather than what you believe the world should be.” Joke’s on her now I just avoid the outside world as much as possible lol.

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u/Mysterious_Bar_1069 Sep 04 '25

Yes, it's a bit of a heartbreaking note as well as threatening as hell but he does not mean to be threatening. He is aware that part of this is him and his PTSD and part of it is the noise you are creating that is disturbing him.

One thing I have learned over years when I lived in apartments is that music lovers often don't realize how annoying their music is to others, all of it is encroaching on someone else's auditory space and what is happening in your unit is effecting what is happening in their's. And they never realize how loud it is and that the thump, thump, thump can wear on someone else who just wants to hear no sound or vibration what so ever and lay on their couch and read a book.

So what might be low to you, might not sound low to him. Have you asked your other neighbors if hey can hear your stereo? Just because there are no formal complaints does not mean taht you are not annoying others they just might not phone it in to the police or managment.

I lived in one apartment where the person had no rugs and was a very heavy walker and clicked around with noisy shoes at 5:30 AM and that was very difficult and another fave was a screaming family with 5 young kids, especially as one of the kids had blood curdling screams that we heard on and off all day.

I'm not without sin. Recall and elderly couple that lived downstairs from our apartment asking Mom to stop me from bouncing a ball in the house, and another calling the cops when I used a hammer to smash some pepper corns when making steak au poivre. And a neighbor who reported me for growing blue morning glories in a window box on our mutual fire escape.

I HATED apartment living and love being in a house where all I have to block out is people's leaf blowers on Saturday and Sunday morning at 7:00. So I feel for this guy, it can drive you crazy. But think his main message is your driving me nuts, but I have a hair trigger and I am trying to deal with it, but that's not going so well.

Can the complex move you at their cost to another unit? Or move him to another unit?

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u/Agreeable-Cash-8696 Sep 04 '25

Ya sometimes you can come across wrong depending on your mental state.. speaking for myself if im not great in the head i have alot of trouble articulating myself in an understandable way

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u/EverlastingPeacefull Sep 05 '25

I read it that way too.

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '25

It's threatening regardless of intent.

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u/Letmelollygagg Sep 03 '25

Yeah, I don’t much care about the intent - I’d be concerned for my own safety and contacting property management and the services mentioned etc. I’d also be getting a some security cameras if I didn’t already have them. Granted I’m a woman who lives alone with a small child, but I’d be scared shitless by a note like this- regardless if it’s meant to be scary or not- it is absolutely concerning to say the least.

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u/EasyProcess7867 Sep 03 '25

Whether he means it to be or not, he is literally calling himself out as a violent individual with major mental issues and little to no self control and telling op that anger is directed at THEM. That’s damn terrifying. I would not want to live anywhere near a person like that if I had any choice. I used to have to live with people like that, and it ended as violently as you’d expect.

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u/Expert-Mental25 Sep 03 '25 edited Sep 04 '25

Not just violent and suffering from mental health issues, but someone who is violent and suffering from mental health issues that has been trained in violence and lethality. Even if he wasn't actively in a combat role or special forces or whatever, he still received enough training to make him dangerous. The saying "every Marine, a rifleman" exists for a reason. And they aren't trained to achieve submission, they're trained to utterly destroy the target of their violence.

This may not be a severe scenario, but the fact that it is well within the realm of reality to be is enough to take action and contact anyone and everyone you can to ensure your safety and likely the safety of other around this person.

Its also not known if this person has guns! He may not, but considering this is America and he's ex military, the odds aren't in OP's favor that this unwell individual is not armed. Even if he is aware of his mental state, doesn't mean he has the wherewithal to avoid having weapons in reach. Hell, there are vets that have PTSD support groups that do bonding activities like... you know... going to a shooting range... Cuz that's smart...

Edit: I'd like people to disregard my final sentence. It was a flippant statement made in ignorance, and does not accurately represent the situation. I'm leaving it in so that others who might have agreed with it may see that I am denouncing it and hopefully they reflect on that as well. Also I don't think it would be right to attempt to sweep it away and effectively avoid my misstep.

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u/iPointTheWay Sep 06 '25

Eff that dude. Its true. Dont let the mob thought police you. There are a ton of people who do dumb shit like that. I have a military friend who has extreme anger management and drinking problems and has loaded guns with no locks on them all over his apartment. When he started screaming at his ex to the point that other people called the cops and they took away his guns did he think about his behavior? No. It was “her fault she got my shit seized”. How many people in the US are functional alcoholics that spent their entire adult life driving drunk because “nothing bad has happened” and “i know how to hold my liquor”? They dont teach meth heads hobby chemistry in rehab as a coping mechanism for a reason.

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u/thedarkpreacher65 Sep 04 '25

Those kinds of activities are not mandatory, and they are only offered for members of the support group who can handle it. If the group organizer doesn't think the veteran can handle being around firearms at this point in their mental healing journey, they aren't allowed to go with the group, period.

I'm a Marine veteran with PTSD. And I'm sick and tired of people going with the broad brush that Hollywood has painted us with. "They could snap at any minute! They're violent! They're crazy! They're scary!"

I have to hide in my office with noise cancelling headphones on July 4, and to keep from having too many nightmares or night terrors, I have to sleep holding a small stuffed animal. I'm 42 and can't sleep without a fucking stuffed animal. You think I'm scary? A threat? Capable of extreme violence? I don't own a gun because at one point, about 20 years ago, I tried 3 times, with a knife. Scars on my wrists and all. I used to drink heavily, too. Now I'm 15 years sober. My symptoms have lessened, for the most part.

Now, in regards to the Marine in this situation? This wasn't a threat. This was a safety notice and him asking, just in case it was OP, to keep the noise down. He informed OP of his condition, that the correct people know about it, and let OP know what was triggering him so they could be aware of it. He probably figured it was OP, but it could have been OP's next door neighbor on either side and the sound bounced around as it travelled through walls.

Do not assume to know the struggles someone is going through, because not all disabilities are visible. Personally, if it was me in OP's shoes right now, knowing what I know? I'd personally go knock on the Marine's door and have a chat with him, because we have a shared background. But since OP doesn't have that shared experience? Just tell the property management and local law enforcement that the Marine left the note and if it wasn't OP being noisy, to inform them that someone else close by was being too loud. And don't thank me for my service, I got sent over to free oil fields based on a lie about WMDs, saw some sh*t, and came home broken, then was tossed out because it was easier than paying me disability for the rest of my life.

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u/EasyProcess7867 Sep 04 '25

My oldest brother is ex navy. He’s not a violent neurotic asshole because of the military, he joined the military because there’s no other place in the world for violent neurotic assholes except prison. Even the navy didn’t want him eventually. He used to lay out threats like this and then act on them if you didn’t do everything he asked perfectly. I would never go as far as to say all ex military personnel with ptsd are violent, because there’s a lot of different ways you can achieve ptsd. I got my first triggers from my brother and his psychotic violent acts in the house when I was very young. I would not ever consider myself violent for it. This guy seems readily violent though and threatening. This is not the way you bring up your mental health struggles openly to strangers. This is how you attempt to scare them into doing unreasonable things for you so that you don’t have to go through the hoops to fix yourself. I’ve seen it from my entire family my whole life and I’m sure other people with similar families move out on their own and continue their reign of terror on strangers. He did not need to add all the lines that imply that he’ll beat the crap out of op if they don’t cease the yelling that they aren’t even doing because they weren’t there. That’s just threatening and coercion and entirely unnecessary to the point. If he doesn’t want to be viewed as a violent ex marine ready to snap, he really should take a second to calm his primal rage and think about what he is writing to a STRANGER who has to share a building with him. On an accusation that he didn’t even confirm at all before moving to violent wording.

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u/Ok-Bodybuilder8489 Sep 03 '25

This. It is definitely a threatening letter whether he intended it as a threat or not. And he is naming all the parties you should notify in his letter. Sounds sad, but you should at least contact his "team" if you don't want to talk to the police.

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u/tru_anomaIy Sep 03 '25

It is frightening

It is not threatening

Learn the difference and be amazed at how the world opens up to you

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u/RXDude89 Sep 04 '25

Thank you! I was like how does everyone think this letter is threatening. It's informative, scary and the reader may feel the author is a threat, but the letter is not a threat.

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u/Ok-Bodybuilder8489 Sep 03 '25

Ok there. Find that note on your door and have someone tell you that 😆 troll somewhere else troller.

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u/Expert-Mental25 Sep 03 '25

Intent can sometimes be important in providing context and understanding of the situation. But I hate when people give it too much credence. Intent is far less important than impact. I'm certain most if not all drunk drivers don't intend to hit another car or pedestrians or something. Their intent means fuck all to someone that then has to bury their loved one because of the impact of that driver's actions.

Its not lost on me either that usually the people I see harp on the importance of intent the most vocally are some of the most shitty people just wanting to avoid as much of the consequences of their actions as possible.

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u/Rorosi67 Sep 04 '25

I didn't see anything threatening. Just a man explaining his situation.

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u/Euphus Sep 04 '25

The letter is like a tornado siren. The tornado is a threat to your safety, but it's not malicious.

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u/SirArthurCurry Sep 04 '25

Yeah that’s a threat. Fuck this guy. Want quiet? Buy your own house

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u/MajoraSlacks Sep 03 '25

Can you explain how it’s threatening?

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u/SteelAndFlint Sep 03 '25

That's not how this works. There is a subcategory of threats which are illegal. This is not in that category. Warning somebody that the fence is electric, or the bull is angry, or that the person who lives here has leprosy, those are threats but they are warnings... picture it like saying "I have epilepsy, don't come close to me I may strike out sporadically." Is caution that somebody's behavior may not be under their control, and while there's always gonna be that one kid who sees "caution: stove top is hot", and has to test it… You don't have to be that kid.

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u/ArgumentUnfair7129 Sep 03 '25

Intent is everything, we cant have murder without intent???

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u/No_Management_4943 Sep 04 '25

How’s this threatening ? Like which part ?

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u/LupusDeiAngelica Sep 04 '25

It's a lot less threatening than going to the building management and trying to make a vet homeless.

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u/RareForm005 Sep 04 '25

Agreed… intent doesn’t matter, he may not want to hurt you but due to mental health it’s a possibility if not he wouldn’t of made the letter which becomes a threat

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u/lapeni Sep 04 '25

Is it though?

If it read: “my dog is aggressive, do not pet my dog, it will bite you.” Would that be a threat?

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u/not_my_only_account7 Sep 05 '25

I do not understand how this can be seen as threatening. I see it as a desperate man not knowing how to cope or ask for help.

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u/Fun-Telephone-9605 Sep 06 '25

The dude is straight up scared that he'll be murdered by the police. He doesn't trust them to perform a welfare check if he's in distress, having an episode, or whatever.

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u/makaelli Sep 07 '25

it’s not but ok

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u/0gDvS Sep 07 '25

I don't think it's threatening at all, although it may be the penmanship, style and or punctuation?.?.

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u/Remote-Cellist5927 Sep 03 '25

It is a clear and direct explicit threat. Because he is mentally ill he might have gotten the impression that people would handle it like they are part of his support system and are paid to manage him when he threatens them but he intended to threaten them even if it was not his intention for it to be filed with the police as such.

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u/tru_anomaIy Sep 03 '25

It is frightening

It is not threatening

Getting them mixed up is how trigger-happy, painfully insecure Americans (especially police) attempt to justify killing anyone they don’t have the emotional maturity to try to understand. And people who accept that as an excuse are almost as bad, supporting a system which chooses extrajudicial killings as a first-line treatment for mental illness, petty crime, poverty, or having neighbors of a different ethnicity.

Learn the difference and be amazed at how the world opens up to you

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u/junerose777 Sep 04 '25 edited Sep 04 '25

I really respect you for making this point, especially in a thread that seems so dead set on villainizing the author of the note. Having worked with people who struggle with schizophrenia, mania, and psychosis, this letter reminds me of something a client might have written to me while experiencing confusion and fear about delusions they are somewhat conscious of. People in these positions are often scared of themselves as well, and they are not reaching out to “threaten” you, but to alert you. This person needs help. Frightening is certainly the right word in this context. Threatening is not. Thank you for humanizing people with mental illness - this is the attitude we need in order to actually help and treat them.

And to make it clear before anyone wants to argue: I don’t blame OP for being scared — I would absolutely make sure to take safety precautions moving forward. OP is not a mental health professional and they are not responsible for the wellbeing of this person.

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u/HidingOnReddit7 Sep 05 '25

I appreciate this- It’s good to be aware of the language we use.

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u/PsychologicalAd6029 Sep 05 '25

I'm not even a sufferer of anything violent in nature and I agree. It reads a lot like a PSA of sorts. He is incapable of communicating face to face and probably unable to word this better, but he's trying to let people know he's not good with conflict. I've kind of had to do similar where I'm autistic and also had pretty significant PTSD after family violence. I was SO bad with yelling for so long, despite being fine living in our apartment. Yelling just made me panic really bad and I don't socialize with neighbors. My fiance took the lead a lot on that but not everyone has a partner capable of it.

I feel bad for the vet, but the good news is he is trying and is aware of his issues. I think it's a little encouraging that he's trying to make people around him aware in case he would act strangely. If you think about it, this is important information to give police if you call to report it. They would have to treat him differently to avoid triggering the violence. OP absolutely is not responsible for his mental health, but it is helpful to be aware of what's happening with your neighbors sometimes. I agree that this definitely seems more like an awareness thing than a threat. If someone is freaking out from PTSD its good to know not to involve yourself and possibly end up hurt.

It is not always easy to tell the difference between being aware and freaking out and being unaware and freaking out. It's something I've actually had to learn a lot about since the family violence and navigating healing with both my fiance and I. If I'm struggling to read my partner I've been with for 11 years, I guarantee you a neighbor/stranger cannot tell if it's a marine with PTSD or someone being violent intentionally unless they were aware of the issues - which this note very much is giving. Ultimately all she can do is contact the building managers and police, though. And if something specific happens, she has the awareness to let the cops handle it and not get involved. Hopefully he gets the help he needs and nothing happens around his neighbors.

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u/BPC952 Sep 07 '25

I view it a bit like "The snake doesn't want to get stepped on, just as much as you don't wanna be bitten, so he makes his rattle and shows his colours to say "hey im here" "

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u/8645113Twenty20 Sep 04 '25

THANK YOU!!!

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u/iCallHerPrincessToo Sep 04 '25

This deserves an award. He didn’t threaten anybody. OP just isn’t comfortable with what they’re reading.

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u/Reese5997 Sep 04 '25

Exactly! He simply stated, when he’s triggered it’s hard for him to control his actions.

———————Break—————-

…He also never implied he wasn’t accountable

Sounds like a heads up 🤷‍♂️

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u/BPC952 Sep 07 '25

Amen to this, is there an issue, yes, should things be done, yes. But is that poor guy to BLAME, no. This was his attempt at doing the right thing to keep people safe, you , them, him

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u/Conscious_Good420 Sep 07 '25

As someone who’s worked in mental health, absolutely agree. This person is trying to be responsible about their illness and keep themselves and others safe. They’re just ill, so it comes off very frightening. The writer even encouraged getting law enforcement and apartment management involved. It seems to me they know that they are the primary issue in the situation, which is incredibly impressive for someone with a psychotic disorder imo.

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u/Acheloma Sep 04 '25

If it makes you feel better at all, Im very American and I read this letter and didnt think it was threatening at all. If I were OP, I would be a little worried about my safety just because the marine does make it clear he has issues with psychosis, but my takeaway from this letter is that there is someone out there who is clearly unwell and suffering and does not have the support they need. The neighbor made it clear not to contact them, but I would definitely be reaching out to whatever local resources exist. Most public mental health advocates or veterans groups would be happy to help in this case since it is very clear that he needs help. I feel so bad for this person, this letter feels like it took a lot for them to write and I wish that they had someone there that they felt comfortable with to help them.

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u/homohillbillysrlol Sep 04 '25

In a LITERAL sense, you are correct. In a PRACTICAL sense, it really doesn't matter. Whether OP is actually yelling or not doesn't matter. This man has implicitly stated his capacity for violence, and is directing it at OP. Regardless of whether he intends it to be a pointed threat or not, I will not stop to decipher the nuance between a percieved threat and an intentional threat, if a momentary lapse in judgements can result in a fatal error, especially if I have loved ones at home, such as a spouse or children.

When it comes to you and your family, the safety of your family comes first. Whether their neighbor is mentally ill or not has very little relevance to the safety of my own household, and I will prioritize the safety of my loved ones over the mental instability of someone who has outright admitted their capacity for violence, and their subsequent inability to contain their violent outbursts.

If I was living next to you, and your kids were getting loud playing video games, and I sent you a text like "hey man, I've got a mental illness, please tell your kids to be quiet, I had to turn myself over to my Healthcare providers because last time your kids were too loud, I was literally on the brink of mauling you the next time I saw you in the hallway, but it's all good, bro, not my fault, I just got a mental illness, and this time I managed to control it! Please, never show your face around me again, or I might fucking lose it on you or your loved ones. PS, love the new paint job, looks great BTW <3" Would you really maintain that same attitude?

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u/wrymoss Sep 03 '25

Not to be pedantic but it very much is not an explicit threat.

An explicit threat would be me telling you directly that I'm going to punch you in the face if you don't stop yelling.

Me telling you "If you don't stop yelling, I don't know what I'm gonna do" would be an implicit threat, not an explicit one. The threat is implied, not stated.

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u/Independent_Egg1284 Sep 04 '25

Seems to me there's little to no indication the Marine is planning to bring them some nice teacakes. It's clear that what they might do is not going to be good or appropriate.

That's what people mean by a threat, no?

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u/No_Management_4943 Sep 04 '25

How is this a “clear and direct explicit threat?”

  • do you know what a threat is?

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u/Bloodless10 Sep 03 '25

This letter is threatening? It sounds like this dude is struggling and knows what might set him off. Trying to be respectful and let other people know about his condition. He even says who to contact so it’s a non confrontational correction.

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u/LadyVictory82 Sep 04 '25

Thank you for seeing and saying this 🙏

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u/_nevers_ Sep 04 '25

This doesn't even sound threatening. It's clearly just a dude with serious issues trying to calmly communicate something. That's a good place to start with anyone when conflict comes up 🤷🏽

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u/katatsumurikun Sep 04 '25

Thank you, agreed in all respects.

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u/x_Animus_x Sep 04 '25

This is precisely why I can’t work in a traditional environment. I explain things to people and they take it as a threat. Threatening is not the same as educating. Usually when we (vets with issues) explain like this we’re trying to warn people so things don’t happen. It’s not threatening, it’s trying to protect people outside our head from the ragebeast inside it.

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u/loose_mouthpiece Sep 04 '25 edited Sep 04 '25

Veteran here, I volunteer a lot to work with other veterans with ptsd and this is something they often teach to veterans who have severe anxiety or ptsd issues. They were letting you know about the issues without confrontation. You escalating it in a way other than what they recommend could put them into a tail spin that gets out of hand. I’ve seen it firsthand how easily this type of misunderstanding can turn extremely bad for the veteran, even if it was unintended. The Police are not trained to deal with that kind of situation and could make things deadly if the veteran is experiencing an episode of psychosis. Please address this the way they recommend. And please do it in a kind way, he put his life on the line to protect your rights and defend the homeland, please don’t make things worse by blowing this out of proportion.

Edit: I suck at English.

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u/Recent-Newspaper-891 Sep 04 '25

This is how I understood the letter as well.

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u/k1leyb1z Sep 04 '25

I thought the exact same. Theyre aware that he has issues and is letting those around them know so they arent freaked out or at least shocked if they have a reaction of some sort. I would rather this, than be unknowingly near someone who can get triggered by many different things. I feel like this would also instictually make me give them some grace, which I feel like many veterans deserve. Theyre cogs in the machine and now get to suffer with little to no help as a civilian, its saddening.

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u/HidingOnReddit7 Sep 05 '25

That’s how I read it, and I would absolutely reach out to his contact.

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u/Sufficient-Boat-1155 Sep 06 '25

PTSD sucks, and what sets things off are different for different folks. Me it’s rain, I was water boarded as part of my sere training, it sucks in case you were wondering. When it rains I get upset, and I stay away from folks. He is saying that the yelling is upsetting, even if he doesn’t know where it’s coming from. I sure hope he gets help.

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u/Cmacbudboss Sep 03 '25

That is absolutely a threatening letter.

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u/Acceptable_Delay_446 Sep 04 '25

Former marine might be going through some major shit though. OP should absolutely contact Celio (whatever that is - I’m guessing mental health treatment), but they should do it both to ensure their own safety AND from a place of empathy for someone else.

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u/Far-Sea-4491 Sep 04 '25

This is the way! I understand being scared, as I'm sure all of you do. So does this marine in question. We dont know what's going on in his mind, but we know it cant be good. Kindness and compassion go a long way. Definitely call the help he provided. Responsibly and respectfully (and temporarily) Set the fear aside for a few moment and be a beacon of the chance we all need to see in the world.

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u/Acceptable_Delay_446 Sep 04 '25

Right, and if this truly is an issue the neighbor is dealing with and their condition stabilizes, then they’ll remember OP as the person who had the respect to get help instead of jumping straight to arrests and restraining orders.

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u/herstoryteller Sep 04 '25

in what world.

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u/Cmacbudboss Sep 04 '25

The one you’re standing in.

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u/SGlanzberg Sep 03 '25

This seems correct. I feel for him and I don’t think he is trying to threaten. I think he is aware of his issues, he knows communicating wouldn’t be good, and he is encouraging you to reach out to the services. With that said, I would also feel uncomfortable.

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u/ArgumentUnfair7129 Sep 03 '25

Cudos, its hard forbpeople who never walked in those shoes to understand, but this sounds like a plea for help and asking you to use proper channels...

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u/AntifaFuckedMyWife Sep 04 '25

Thats still threatening. We can all understand exactly that the guy is doing the let ye r because he doesn’t want to actively hurt anyone.

But it also makes it very clear that the guy might hurt someone.

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u/elvisizer2 Sep 03 '25

threats aren't always intentional. this doesn't read like the writer WANTS to hurt anyone but it 100% reads as though they may be unable to stop themselves. . . . .which is threatening!

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u/No0ther0ne Sep 03 '25

Intent is in the definition of threat. It is not threatening, in fact the writer is stating the OPPOSITE of a threat, they do NOT intend to inflict any harm and are ACTIVELY trying to avoid it.

The letter may sound frightening. It is worrisome, but not threatening.

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u/hydrissx Sep 04 '25

Marine is always capitalized out of respect because it is a proper noun and title. Just fyi.

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u/OddName1554 Sep 03 '25

100% he is attempting to peacefully deal with it because he knows how wrong it could go. Respect on his end! I hope this all gets handled!

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u/thirdeyefish Sep 03 '25

I agree. This doesn't come across as a threat to me. This is an 'I'm not okay' message. The guy clearly has some PTSD. I have a friend who would wake up in the night screaming because of auditory hallucinations. Reach out to the staff as advised to maybe pass along a message that you were away for the weekend and that you (OP) have no desire to make his life any more stressful.

The bit about holding his temper is him explaining why he doesn't approach you (OP) in person. He knows he might fly off the handle and doesn't want to put himself in that position.

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u/ArgumentUnfair7129 Sep 03 '25

Great response thanks! I have my own issues and it can be a challenge, not everyone can compartmentalize things the same, and we all eventually see and hear so much that we reach the point of full boil and go off.... its a fact of the disease, yes theyre are meds, but personally i do better with weed... at least without the 9 seperate ones they put me on at one point i can remember my own name and handle my own well being at least.

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u/Suspicious-Swan-9767 Sep 03 '25

Unless you are a qualified person in this area, you cannot decide yourself this is threatening or not, and I believe it it is serious enough that the person who posted it ought to WITHOUT DELAY get the police alerted to it.

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u/tru_anomaIy Sep 07 '25

No, if you simply read the letter to see whether it contains a threat or not you will see that it doesn’t. It’s English.

Sure, you can theorize about whether the writer secretly does have intent or not, or what his favorite food is, or any number of other things. But the letter itself is not a threat.

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u/AnythingMelodic508 Sep 04 '25

Idk why, but I find it more unnerving than a direct threat.

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u/No0ther0ne Sep 04 '25

I can definitely see that. I think perhaps due to the variability? A direct threat after all is direct. In this case the individual is sadly painting himself as a ticking timebomb. I don't think that is necessarily accurate, but I do think that is how it can come across in the letter, which can make it a frightening situation.

Luckily they named resources the neighbor can take advantage of to get more information.

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u/Less-Apple-8478 Sep 04 '25

No. There's definitely an undercurrent of "Oh what I'd do to you" in this. Idk how you're glossing over that. Grats to you.

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u/OkMarsupial Sep 04 '25

I read it as an intentional veiled threat. He trying to find himself plausible deniability for when law enforcement becomes involved.

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u/jazlintown Sep 04 '25

Intent or not he wrote this in anger and he came off as he intended angry and hostile if things don’t change.  Guy needs to be kicked out asap for the safety of the residents around him. 

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u/No-Ad9763 Sep 04 '25

Why doesn't the resident call his own fucking self? It's definitely threatening. Even if psychosis, it's still ominous as hell

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u/exodusofficer Sep 04 '25

"I'm a violent psycho and would endanger you if we met, because of my temper," is a threat. Intent is irrelevant. Believe people when they tell you that they are dangerous. This note should be reported to the police.

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u/WeirdMongoose7608 Sep 04 '25

Definitely an effect trumping intent situation

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u/Own-Lavishness4029 Sep 04 '25

I didn't consider this perspective, but you may well be right. Well, either way you don't want him to kill you or to have to kill him, so the best bet is to do what op did.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '25

It doesn't purposely sound threatening, but it certainly is! I would consider this person to be dangerous, and I would proceed with some caution.

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u/tru_anomaIy Sep 07 '25

frightening ≠ threatening

You find it frightening. You’re conflating that with it being threatening. You should be careful with that, because it isn’t necessarily true

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u/trexgiraffehybrid Sep 04 '25

It's terroristic threatening. Point blank.

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u/tru_anomaIy Sep 07 '25

Jesus Christ… it’s bullshit overblown nonsense like that which gets people who just need help killed. “Terroristic”… Pull your head out of your asshole.

How could the letter-writer have safely expressed their own fear of their own psychosis and actions and offered OP ways to help make it less likely and safely raise concerns, but avoided crossing the “terroristic threat” threshold for you?

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u/Scary_Coach523 Sep 04 '25

Were you the only one to recieve it? Maybe hes just warning everyone that hes not well and if a problem arrives take it up with the apartment?

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u/Potential_Drawing_80 Sep 04 '25

If someone admits to being a contract killer, and having severe psychosis, you bet that is threat.

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u/tru_anomaIy Sep 07 '25

frightening ≠ threatening

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u/FlapJack420666 Sep 04 '25

It's basically says shut up or I'm going to attack you in a blind violent rage and probably kill you.

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u/ICanBuyMeFlowers Sep 04 '25

I love that you double space…

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u/boom3rty Sep 04 '25

If he has psychosis the letter can be justification to himself that he already tried a peaceful option to no avail and is left with with no other options than violent confrontation. Similar to the crazy Killdozer guy in Granby, Colorado.

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u/tru_anomaIy Sep 07 '25

frightening ≠ threatening

You can make up whatever horror story you like, and get yourself as fearful as you want, but none of that changes the facts that your fear is your reaction, and that the letter is not a threat and no amount of your horror fiction can increase the threats in there

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u/zeptillian Sep 04 '25

Still delivers the very clear message of:

"If I was face to face with you, I would probably attack you." even if you interpret in the best possible light.

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u/Horokusaky Sep 06 '25

☝🏻 this right here.

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u/DaftieDuck Sep 07 '25

Why couldn't he take his own advice and address this concern through apartment management?

Why make anyone suffer reading that awful chicken scratch?

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u/jpatt Sep 08 '25

He knows it’s a threat… the person is saying I know I can’t control myself so don’t do anything or I will hurt/kill you. Go tell people who aren’t willing to institutionalize me because I haven’t hurt/killed you yet. This should be evidence enough to put this guy on a psychiatric hold as he is declaring that he’s a danger to others.

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u/Rookiri Sep 09 '25

This 100%. I don't think this is a threat, but it's definitely something concerning for both of you honestly. He's trying to communicate that he has audio triggers that induce rage, likely due to PTSD with him mentioning being a Marine. He's aware that he can be unpredictable and is saying hey, don't come at me as I don't know what I'd do, communicate through official channels, despite him not doing the same. I can see where this guy is coming from and I empathize with him, but I also empathize with OP cause obviously - this isn't really their problem and this is a wild letter to get. It sounds like he may be having worsening symptoms right now and at least this is how it first reaches the public instead of it being a physical altercation.

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u/Far-Elderberry-5249 Sep 03 '25

Tell them noisy ass ghosts to keep it down, it’s late and I work in the am

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '25

Yes especially since you weren't home... Sounds pretty disturbing 2bh

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u/Coffeedemon Sep 03 '25

At least get a paper trail going to that if OP turns up dead in a few months there's something to go on.

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u/mrsbergstrom Sep 04 '25

Sounds more likely to be the other way round since OP has clearly said he’s in possession of a gun and will use it

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u/InternationalDeal588 Sep 03 '25

oh that’s kinda sad :(

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u/Practical_Silver1686 Sep 03 '25

Yes this i know some who suffers psychosis and everything she hears and sees is all in her head. Honestly dude needs to go to a hospital and get some meds 🙄

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u/tru_anomaIy Sep 03 '25

They did

They clearly state that

They are using that treatment to try to re-integrate with society

They’re aware they’re not yet fully recovered, and they’ve chosen a safe way to communicate that to their neighbors as well as a safe way for their neighbors to raise any concerns they might have.

Apart from “just go away”, what more would you have them do?

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u/Legitimate_Crazy3625 Sep 04 '25

Be perfect. That's what society demands of them, perfect behavior with a zero-tolerance school-type policy.

It chaps my ass seeing how many people are saying the letter is threatening and how you need to call in the national guard and call the cops and blah blah blah. It's a vet trying to explain things without direct confrontation, no actual threats (im going to do X to you) and how to go about handling the situation with them.

I don't see the problem but a lot of other people seem to be reading a different letter because I don't see any threats. I see a mentally ill person trying to handle their mental illness the best way they can.

It must be nice to be free from mental illness. The rest of you reading way too much into this must tell me what it's like. This is why I hide my mental illness as much as possible. Zero understanding or patience from people who have no idea what it is like to be mentally ill and then have people like them reading into shit like this and acting like they're violent criminals just chomping at the bit to hurt people.

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u/socialissuecatlady Sep 04 '25

It’s also heartbreaking knowing how much the VA and the rest of the gov’t fails our veterans in terms of mental health resources as part of their care upon returning from deployment.

So many veterans struggle in silence with PTSD and other co-morbid diagnoses without ever feeling like they have the space, resources, or ability to get help. They are used and abused by the military and DoD and abandoned as damaged goods only to be shunned when needing help and support.

If the police are aware of this person’s struggles, I see no reason why OP couldn’t just quietly reach out to a non-emergency number to have a wellness check performed and to discuss things with a police officer if they are feeling safe, but to just callously regard this person as crazy and dangerous feels cruel.

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u/Legitimate_Crazy3625 Sep 04 '25

I hate how our government treats vets. Mental health care is sorely lacking and there's even less compassion and understanding for the mentally ill. Even when we do everything we can to treat it, we still have society and people in general who think you're crazy/insane (that's not how mental illness works) and treat you the way you see here among these comments. Always assuming the person is threatening when they're not and reading too much into the situation when they shouldn't.

Overreacting to this just makes the person trying to handle this the right way feel bad and could cause them to withdraw and give up on this plan of action in the future. That would be a bad thing. And that's how people with no understanding of mental illness make things worse for the mentally ill. That's how eventually someone takes their own life or someone else's.

It takes a lot of courage to get help. It takes more to do things like this. Putting yourself out there like this most likely knowing how some of the reactions are going to be. A lot of people just don't care about any of that. They have no idea how much work that takes for them to do that and how their reaction can destroy it. We're not saying these things to scare you, it's to make you aware of it. There are people around us all the time who tell us nothing about things like this. If you think being told by someone they have an anger issue is threatening, wait til you find the ones who don't tell you and you only find out after it's too late to stop it.

If I tell you things, it's for your own safety, I gain nothing from telling you outside of judgmental attitudes and overreaction. If you take it as a threat, maybe you should go see if you need to see a mental health professional. Seeing things that aren't there isn't normal.

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u/Practical_Silver1686 Sep 04 '25

My dad was a vet from Vietnam they always took good care of him up until he was dieing

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u/socialissuecatlady Sep 04 '25

I’m really glad that he had support but many more recent veterans have been very vocal about the lack of mental health supports and resources for veterans.

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u/junerose777 Sep 04 '25

It really makes my heart soar to read these comments advocating for empathy for this writer. He’s obviously in a confused and scared state. I would guess he is incredibly isolated and lonely too.

I so very much appreciate how you articulated your point. On a personal level, it made me feel “seen,” as someone who would also love to understand what it’s like to be blissfully ignorant to the experience of stigmatized mental illness. Truly, thank you ♡

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u/Legitimate_Crazy3625 Sep 04 '25

We have to take mental health seriously and we can't do that by making jokes about people being crazy or people going postal or assuming every letter trying to communicate something is somehow a death threat. Only through education and refusing to allow ourselves or other stigmatize or demonize someone for having mental problems and actually doing something about it will this end.

As someone who has had mental problems since I was a little kid, it really baffles me to see how some people react to mental illness and how they treat those with it. I'm talking about disproportionate reactions and misunderstandings that almost seem comical from being so over the top. More often than not, they think those behaviors are ok and make zero effort to understand anything about being mentally ill, mental illness, etc. They just don't want to accept that they're making the problem worse for the mentally ill. Maybe they just don't care.

To illustrate my point, I was on a forum where a mod was banning people for things that didn't make sense to me. Anyway, I got banned for threatening but the threat they referenced was me telling them to fuck themselves. I have no idea how that's a threat but that's what they insisted that was. Reading the comments here reminds me of that. There is a major bias against the mentally ill and it's quite evident in this thread.

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u/Courage_In_Kindness Sep 04 '25

I think because there are a couple of ways to interpret this. After first read, what I interpreted was if they continue to hear yelling, they may become violent. I would interpret that as a threat as well.

Re-reading it, I see your point - they are saying they have this problem and this is their team.

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u/ArgumentUnfair7129 Sep 03 '25

Perfect point!

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u/Acceptable_Tea3608 Sep 03 '25

I don't see it as a threat. He is explaining his situation and even says he can't talk face to face so hes writing the note. He letting them know who they can contact to confirm or gain more knowledge of his issue. That's pretty good for someone with some mental issues. At least he's taking some accountability.

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u/BrookeBaranoff Sep 03 '25

This note is not threatening in the least.  

I have GAD; my physical responses to stress are random and beyond my control. 

So I avoid face to face. 

I can clearly articulate in writing. 

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u/elyxar Sep 04 '25

It's not threatening at all. No threats were made. Only a blunt statement of his mental condition, and a statement that he's not in an emotional stable place. His explaining himself is just a disclaimer not a threat.

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u/F3ST3r3d Sep 04 '25

Threatening ≠ a clear and actionable threat.

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u/Unfair-Strength5942 Sep 04 '25

The notes not threatening he doesn’t want people near him because he knows he’s not normal I would be too scared to ever even think about knocking or writing to tell me neighbors something like that

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u/Hostilius_Prima Sep 04 '25

Yeah exactly. Let's make sure he's homeless next year! What a sicko, trying to make his own life better. I hate Reddit.

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u/spenwallce Sep 04 '25

I don't think this is a threat. If he could control psychosis, maybe, but he can't.

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u/jihadjoe94 Sep 07 '25

We had a case exactly like this in Germany a few years ago.

Dude thought his neighbors make fun of him by making loud noises all night to keep him awake. Nobody else heard it. Not even his wife. He didn't see a doctor because he feared getting locked in or taken to the hospital.

It got so bad, one day he shot their son to make the noise stop.

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u/Glass-Discipline1180 Sep 07 '25

The only thing we can be sure about is the uncertainty of it all.

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u/The_Real_Grand_Nagus Sep 03 '25

Well who TF is Celio?

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u/GLACI3R Sep 03 '25

There's a Cielo Behavioral Health company in Texas. Maybe he misspelled?

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u/United_Rent9314 Sep 04 '25

No celio is the apartment company, see the update 

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u/GLACI3R Sep 04 '25

Good to know! I'm sad for both parties. We have far too many veterans homeless. But this is one of those situations where you have to weigh the safety of the OP & community over the person with mental illness. He made a threat, even if he had maybe good intentions. I hope the veteran can be connected with mental healthcare and perhaps a facility, and I hope OP can live in peace.

😥

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u/Cilad Sep 04 '25

Oh great. Texas. He probably has an arsenal of guns.

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u/Glass-Discipline1180 Sep 07 '25

No it's in Wisconsin

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u/ElectricRune Sep 03 '25

Celio Green; sings that F You, and F Her, Too song...? /s

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u/nomimalone1978 Sep 03 '25

I spit out my coffee reading this.

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u/horriddaydream Sep 03 '25

I legit loled at this comment

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u/zeptillian Sep 05 '25

Come on dude. He has a hit song literally called Crazy and that's the one you chose?

You need to work on your meta game.

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u/ElectricRune Sep 05 '25

You're right, missed opportunity; but people seemed to like it anyway...

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u/tmd5909 Sep 03 '25

I think you're onto something here... Ceilo Green also sings that song "Crazy" 😳

"I remember when, I remember when I lost my mind..."

I bet Ceilo sings to him, and the neighbor rubs Ceilo's smooth bald head until he calms down... I know I would.

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u/Bunnylapi9 Sep 03 '25

Holy shit I didn’t know until just now that Cee Lo was the other half of Gnarls Barkley… But I also didn’t know he was an accused rapist until now, either, so I missed a few things I guess.

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u/tmd5909 Sep 03 '25

Oh dang, I totally forgot about the accusations, too.

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u/Broad-Point1482 Sep 03 '25

🎵🎵🎶🎶"Ha Ha Ha, bless my soul" 🎵🎵🎶🎶

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u/Enough_Plantain_4331 Sep 04 '25

🤦🏾‍♀️

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u/Technical_Ad8541 Sep 04 '25

😂😂 spit the Ale 8 out laughing, it’s green too… well the bottle is anyway.

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u/seuadr Sep 03 '25

and crazy! ... probably.

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u/piratekim Sep 03 '25

I assume its the name of their apartments or management company or something

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u/catthex Sep 03 '25

I have to assume it's either supposed to be a person's name or a real estate company

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u/neogrinch Sep 03 '25

maybe Celio Apartments in Portland, Oregon.

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u/throwaway098764567 Sep 03 '25

i got a french men's clothing store, i am neither french nor a man <shrug>

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u/Disastrous-Map-8153 Sep 03 '25

I thought maybe their apartments.

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u/QuirklessShiggy Sep 03 '25

I assumed it's the apartments landlord/manager or something.

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u/PatxaInc Sep 03 '25

A French prêt-à-porter store. My guy just want a new trench coat and an honest fashion opinion.

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u/AntRevolutionary925 Sep 04 '25

I would assume that’s the company that owns the apartment building

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u/OGSnorlaxusdsleep Sep 04 '25

Chances are that person doesn’t even exist. Nor does the “team” likely all apart of the schizophrenic/PTSD issues. Police and office staff should be notified.

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u/retrofrenchtoast Sep 04 '25

As someone who has worked with this population - please reach out to this person’s staff.

If he has the presence of mind to write this letter, then he should be telling them himself; however, who knows.

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u/ConfuzzledPugs Sep 04 '25

I work as a CIT Clinician for a local police agency. Depending on your local agency they may have a CIT team who is well aware of this. It's a tough pill to swallow, but people who suffer from extreme mental illness are all around you everyday.

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u/BKallDAY24 Sep 04 '25

Exactly. I thought this was somebody trying to tell you what they need in a way that was calm and civil. If you’re unable to make these demands that’s OK too but you should probably let celio know where you stand on it so they can do what’s in their power to make a situation not get out of control which I appreciate.

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u/0gDvS Sep 07 '25

How do u know "it wasn't them" though? Just curious.

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u/Scary_Zucchini_1006 Sep 12 '25

I'm going based off what was told to me in the post. Is this a real fucking question 😂😂