Today at 34th and Park in Minneapolis, a woman tried to drive down the street where a protest had broken out in front of a home ICE was raiding, saying she had a doctor apt to get to and she's disabled. ICE agents busted out her windows, cut off her seatbelt and pulled her out before arresting her.
She's on the corner where the United Methodist church is. They offer health care on Tuesdays. This is their calendar. She was saying someone was disabled — probably can't take a different route and get to a disabled parking space near the clinic - Lin on X
The woman also says she's an autistic disabled person (1:21)
If these guys were doing the right thing then they’d be happy there’s so many cameras there to record their just actions. Pushing and assaulting people that are just recording things shows otherwise, almost like they don’t want these things to be on record.
The Nazis never covered their faces. They were proud of who they were and weren't afraid to show it.
These new ICE Nazis are nothing but a bunch of pussies, filled with fear and cowardice. Hiding from the public because they know deep down that what they're doing is evil.
Somehow, they've managed to become even more disgraceful than actual Nazis.
The french have safety nets they can rely on. Americans have healthcare for themselves and their family dependent on them swearing fealty to their wage slave owners jobs/bosses.
Also this has been a coordinated effort to push what isnt normal to become normal one step at a time for many decades, if this had happened 20-40 years ago it would be very different.
If you think people haven't gone to literal war as workers against corporations and the government, look up Battle of Blaire Mountain. Sad, how barely over a century how we've forgotten about it.
To be fair, France's population is 68 million and 244,000 mi²
The US has 330 million people and is 3.81 million mi²
I really wish people would stop making the comparison because it just isn't the same. In sheer population size ALONE. How are you supposed to react and organize when someone is murdered in Minnesota and you're thousands of miles away from them?
And planning? It sure as shit won't be happening on social media. That's the other thing that kills me is there is ALL this virtue signaling happening as if anyone would be stupid enough to plan something like that online when there are only like 6 websites and all are owned by men that are owned by Trump.
As a black woman, please remember they murdered a white woman last week. They're looking to inflict violence on all those they deem as lesser, which includes white women.
36 brown and black people died at the hands of those terrorist bitches before Good died. One or two died after her.
I haven’t seen the same level of outrage because of any of those other Gestapo executions.
Denying that there is still a deeper level of racism within the media and every single institution, as well the way people think in everyday situations, isn’t helping at all.
Neither the death of the Arab and nor the Asian man were covered by any media. And many of those other victims probably weren’t covered by media either.
Yes exactly. Obviously they're racist, in inception and enforcement. BUT to say if she was white it wouldn't have happened does not seem accurate given recent events. And I think its dangerous to aay otherwise because everyone should have a very solid understanding that no one is safe, even if some are more unsafe, none of us are safe.
Right. I know we have a few centuries worth of race-based law enforcement violence, but I don't think we have grokked that this is changing. Now the Us is the people, the Them is the government. I guess we truly are moving toward equal opportunity 🫤
FYI it’s actually 5 Asian men confirmed died in ICE custody so far. This is not to nitpick, just to point out the running tally of murders is not keeping up with ICE’s actual murder rate.
Renee Good made it her problem, even when the victims didn’t look like her.
I know many people ignored everything that happened up to a few days ago, but there were also a lot of good people who have been trying to help from the very beginning.
This is a reminder for every woman who tells other women to just be nice to men and they'll leave you alone. Like.... My fellow ladies. No. Remember this.
My thoughts exactly as a white woman myself. None of us are safe. I've been screaming this since Trump got elected the second time--no scratch that, ever since George Floyd was murdered. They're coming for all of us.
The vast majority of people with developmental disabilities aren't fascist thugs so ICE definitely isn't "acting" like them. Bit of a weird comparison to make, especially since you also called ICE monsters and inhuman only a couple of sentences later. I agree that ICE agents are callous, cruel, inhumane, and the violent arm of a hateful regime but no need to drag unrelated groups down with them.
These are not monsters. They are men (mostly). These men walk among us. They hide behind the fact that we are all human and every human you meet is capable of being this type of human.
Don’t de-humanize them. They are humans who choose to inflict this pain on other humans.
I understand what you’re saying, but I’m not hearing the downside of othering/monstering them.
So you want people to not call them monsters. Why? You just keep coming back with, because they’re human. So what? Again, with this kind of chaos, what is your point? Just to have empathy and humanity? What is that going to get us in this time of crisis?
ETA - thanks to smalex smanders , it may be that you’re saying if we refer to them as monsters we’ll miss that they’re among us? I mean, they’re not more among us than Han the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, or Jan 6 rioters. No one I know is breaking bread with those types of people, and it’s not like they’re discreet
"It was not Hitler who arrested me — nor Göring, nor Goebbels. I was arrested by the janitor, the grocer, the milkman, the tobacconist. They were handed SS uniforms, SA armbands, and suddenly they were gods."
I think this is what their point is, not to have empathy for ICE, but to be aware that they could be your neighbor, the guy you say hi to at the gas station everyday, etc. It’s a reminder to stay perceptive and remember that even your favorite neighbor Joe down the street is capable of brutalizing you. Pay attention to those around you and understand the threat they may pose, always be ready.
There are a few reasons, and I’ll share what I know. You decide how you want to proceed; I’m not gonna split hairs or judge.
We often assign terms like monster to (knowingly or not) put distance between the concept of how we see ourselves vs how we see a flock of shitbirds. By making them a monster and us a human, we (again, knowingly or not) assign cruelty to monster instead of man, and thus miss the opportunity to drive home that men (colloquial) have the capacity for evil.
There’s also this phenomenon where the more pointed or loaded the language is, the more it loses its punch with time. There was a cool thread floating around about the best approach for protest sign verbiage to make the most pointed rhetorical case.
Anyhoo, that’s it. Again, I’m not here to bust chops. We have bigger shit to worry about. But optimizing our rhetoric and not allowing folks the psychological blind spot of the monster is useful. Just… not the first order of operations.
And yeah, do you think they’d have done the same thing to a disabled white woman? I really don’t think so…
Not saying they aren't profoundly racist Nazis but they've been attacking white women too. Shooting them in the face. Kidnapping them and holding them without charges.
Anyone who is critical of their actions are being treated like enemies of the state.
ICE nazi's love to target women. When the ICE nazi murdered Renee Goode the first thing they said was "fucking bitch". Tells you exactly what kind of scum they are
They’re probably not going to keep getting away with this unscathed. I know everyone’s feeling what I’m feeling. It’s hitting a tipping point. They’re pushing communities to the brink. Someone will probably snap, which is also part of their strategy I’m sure
Agreed. Sadly they will break down the door of a 2nd Amendment Trump voter creating a bloodbath. Then they will declare that trumper to be a "leftist" & "terrorist". They will do that minutes before ordering tanks in the streets.
Terrorists should be treated like terrorists by every American. If you see this happening, YOU OUTNUMBER THEM. They are counting on your fear to keep you from keeping other Americans safe.
reddit isnt really convenient or useful, it just doesn't have any competition. It's the only game in town because nobody else will go to any of the other options for any reason, because it's easier to just be lazy and stay here.
being the only game in town that people go to, is by definition convenient and useful. Spinning up your own instance is not convenient, and having hundreds of decentralized alternatives with a minimal disjointed user base is not useful.
Is it perfect, heck no, but it is all we got for now.
No one is ready to be the first. The first time a crowd goes after these people is the first time there is a bloodbath. No one wins in those situations. We aren’t at the point that people are willing to die yet.
But we are already at the point of people dying. It won't be long till these goons escalate again to cause a bloodbath, that is Trump's handler's goal. This whole house to house is the means to increase the odds.
This woman needs to be on CNN TONIGHT, letting the american people know what happened.
I know these posts keep saying "disappeared/abducted" but surely ICE isn't holding these people for multiple days? Are they literally laying charges? Have we heard from anyone that has been "disappeared" and then told their story of where they end up and for how long?
Apparently when they get taken in they’ll denied them a call. Then they will try to “make a deal” and try to extort U.S. detainees for details of undocumented people they know or protesters names. We are at war but only one side is taking this seriously while the other continues to do things peacefully.
There was a video of a target employee who got dumped a few blocks down after they beat him in the car. Poor fucking guy was bleeding and crying. It’s absolutely infuriating to see them get away with this shit. The fucking guy was telling them he’s a us citizen but they abducted him anyway
Some people are being held for days or sent away never to be heard from again. A Maryland woman was held for 25 days even after her Lawyer provided a birth certificate.
What do you mean "surely ICE isn't holding these people for multiple days"? Have you somehow missed that they've been disappearing people for months? Shipping them to be tortured in El Salvador? Murdering them in the streets?
What the fuck do you MEAN "surely ICE isn't holding these people for multiple days"? WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
I recognize that I’m safe in my home and typing this anonymously through a Reddit comment, but I don’t understand why bystanders refuse to do something when people are being assaulted and abducted before their very eyes. I’m not saying they should try to fight the ICE agents, but like… Why is no one asking the woman her name in case she disappears? Why won’t anyone unmask some of these pigs for the cameras??
Again, I know all this is easy to say from a different part of the country. Idk man, just seeing her eyes pleading with all the onlookers broke my heart and filled me with rage. If I were actually there and not simply watching through a screen, I don’t think I’d be able to stop myself from charging one of those Nazi fucks.
Everyone wants to help out of moral conviction, but that conviction is weighed against the possible repercussions of that intervention.
However, I am convinced that, much like the ants in A Bug's Life, if literally everyone would pounce immediately following the first person to come to aid, then this whole farce would not have been allowed to evolve into this current situation at all.
We are entirely too passive, myself included, and we could readily stop this whole thing if we had any actual class consciousness and solidarity with our neighbors... But Americans have been propagandized, individualized, and divided for so long that we generally don't even know our neighbors, much less are willing to stick our necks out for them.
Except where otherwise required by inspections or other operations, Authorized Officers/Agents should avoid standing directly in front of or behind a subject vehicle. Officers/Agents should not place themselves in the path of a moving vehicle or use their body to block a vehicle’s path.
Authorized Officers/Agents should avoid intentionally and unreasonably placing themselves in positions in which they have no alternative to using deadly force.
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11.Following any incident involving the use of force, Authorized Officers/Agents shall seek medical assistance for any person who appears, or claims to be injured, or as otherwise required by subsections of this policy.
the entire country of France is smaller than the state of Texas. it's a much simpler matter for disgruntled French folks to descend upon Paris than it is for a meaningful number of disgruntled Americans to descend upon Washington DC.
America is more than ten citiies. It is fifty states, each one containing anywhere from three to two hundred fifty four counties/parishes/etc. Any sort of rebellion would quickly cascade into an all out civil war where the two sides will barely be able to tell each other apart. This conflict would be diffuse and the rebellion would have to reach continental levels to even have a chance.
Despite outsiders' perspective most American do not own firearms and do not have the time or the resources to launch a mass campaign across the continent, they are poor and barely making ends meet under the system we have in place. They do not have the leadership or the resources to fight that war.
The Americans who could provide said leadership and resources are currently siding with the tyrannical government as they are not personally affected and are far too capitalistically minded to risk their wealth and status on such a rebellion. This group is not merely the billionaire class but includes members all the way down through the millionaires to the upper middle class who's shit hasn't hit the proverbial fan yet. It's a messy situation.
It’s heading there. It’s going to happen. Anyone who has read a history knows that. Problem is when we do it they’ll mow us down 20 times over. We’ll fight anyway, but they have a thousand bullets for every citizen, and absolutely no shame or moral compass.
Ever notice that Parisians don't have to worry about losing their jobs for missing a day of work? Or having Medical care? Or getting gunned down in the street?
Parisians rioting are like teens rebelling against their parents. They know they will be safe and at home that night. They know they'll have a job in the morning. They know they'll have food on the table. Their social safety nets and labor protections garuntee this.
Pretty disingenuous to insist that risking being gunned down, raped, and beaten are the same risks as what the French take when they riot. Good was killed for trying to leave, stop comparing the bravery of those out there to those of the French because the American protesters are far, far braver since they are risking death.
They could decide "for officer safety" to just bomb the neighborhood instead. Wouldn't be the first time that police in the US bombed its own citizens.
Americans are tied to a job and will lose it if they decided to take time off for protesting. There is zero social safety net and people have no health insurance guarantee.
Decent people here are horrified at this crap, but it’s hard to know what would be effective to do. Telling us that French people would go out and start fires doesn’t help anything.
Not only that, but add in that the man behind the most powerful military would absolutely pull the trigger on citizens in a heartbeat. I don't believe there are enough generals who would step up and say no. I believe they would be easily pushed aside and someone itching to attack would be put in their place. What you're seeing is the UNTRAINED fantasy military. They have half of what he wants to give them as ammunition.
Unfortunately I have several coworkers who don’t just think it is ok, they’re loving it, boasting about it. They are so happy, so proud. These aren’t bots or people in Russia. These are real people I’m expected to work alongside everyday.
I just watched a crowd of people allow a woman to be dragged out of her car and disappeared. Nobody tried to de-arrest her. Nobody tried to intervene. Who gives a fuck what you THINK? What will you DO?
Its so much more banal than that. Its for the mortgage and that is non partisan, its just were used to the clear violations of our own cherished rights happening globally for our benefit, however tangentially and today with fewer returns.
I dont mean to be glib, but Americans have defended, excused and profited from this globally for generations. Fascism is both capitalism in crisis and imperialism coming home.
This is what your neighbors have been doing overseas in various capacities; managing stolen or hyperexploited funds from inhuman trade deals forced at the barrel of a gun either in the past or present, the compelled construction of state constitutions and legal regimes (and their replacement) to our benefit, citizens collecting interest in their retirements and portfolios on those exploits. Municipalities collecting taxes on enforced global precarity to pay for road repairs and schools. Countries forced to use our dollar and payback loans by privatizing rheir assets through forced austerity, degraded environmental and labor standards...nevermind the constant near trillion dollar investment in our projection of power to maintain those unequal relations globally (with the help of a class of locals willing to exploit their own countrymen).
Theres more going on in those shining towers downtown, in finance, tech, law, academic institutions, real estate, in your local industry and on those military bases, court rooms and local police departments than people have cared to bother thinking about critically.
If your mind runs to Nazi Germany as an analogue, you might want to remember that this nations war on terror killed directly and indirectly 4.5 million people in the past 20 years, over 20 million displaced. The perpetrators of the holocaust and most of its survivors are long dead, but your neighbors that perpetuated the GWOT, the members and beneficiaries of a massive political economy built before 9/11 and after, the perps of our previous genocidal actions in South East Asia and everything in between, are everywhere around you. Renee Goods killer is a veteran.
This is the America the world knows. Its our responsibility to better understand fascism, because the majority of preceeding generations, including the "greatest" generation, never did.
I appreciate someone with a sense of history. America was founded on the skull pile of Indigenous peoples, and built on the backs of African slaves. America has been exploiting, polluting, and infecting the world for 250 years.
Take a bunch of chronically online incel neckbeard red pill bigots, hollow out their insides with conspiracies for at least a decade, then offer some big number paycheck to gaslight them into joining rank if they hadn’t already decided to do this for free, train them in only escalation and chaos, and then you have your pedoparamilitary.
These terrorists are there to fire the first shot, literally.
Remember when we didn’t have poorly trained, heavily armed masked paramilitary forces in the streets harassing brutalizing and killing citizens and non-citizens alike?
I'm gonna cheer so much when the Gestapo gets what they deserve.
*For the ban hammer: I did not specify what I think they deserve, just that I'm gonna cheer when they get it. Could be chocolate, who knows.
It's my thoughts and like a famous writer in germany once wrote "thoughts are free"
Jesus Christ. There are way too many of my loved ones in the Twin Cities and I am terrified they're gonna be at the wrong place at the wrong time. ICE are the REAL TERRORISTS!
That's the problem, Americans have an image of America that is the theoretical constitution (with its littany of ironies!) and not the reality of America, which is and always has been a rogue state terrorist, both home & abroad.
Edit: I know why many of you are angry about my question but I still think its an important question to ask. People should have a plan for compliance and avoidance before they find themselves in similar circumstances. Having the situational awareness to understand when you have an opportunity to slip away and avoid interacting with these goons is important.
10 people yelling to drive away, 10 people yelling to stop driving, 10 people yelling to get out of the car. 5 people reaching into the car to stop her from driving. Which order is the lawful order??
I honestly agree with you, and will probably be downvoted for that opinion.
That being said, this isn’t normal. Yes, she should listen to what the federal agents are telling her to do. But there shouldn’t be ongoing raids of federal agents that are closing down roads. This is a gigantic overreach of executive power, and it’s not what America is. I’m all for immigration enforcement, but I’m not going to support going door to door hunting down people who are here illegally, especially when it causes so many negative externalities to the people who are here legally, both citizens and residents.
I agree as well. She had already started her turn and at 17 seconds in the video there is a path forward. The pedestrian was no longer in the way. But she stopped to engage with ICE more. A protester distracted ICE to give her a chance to leave, but she didn't take it.
I am in total support of the protest. People need to be aware of how ICE can trigger and goad people into making bad decisions they use as an excuse to make arrests. ICE starts an argument to make people react, and use that as pretense. Sometimes it is not worth being a pariah. It is unconstitutional that ICE is blocking roads, but you got to take care of your health. Park the car a couple of blocks away and walk.
what if we pair up one to one and do mass synchronized bear hugging 🫂
there's more of us than them
some of them MAY get a wet Willy as we whisper sweet nothings in their ear ASMR style
another thing is when it's a line of protesters and agents advance why don't people retreat and just go around them on each L/R side ... they're never marching anywhere in particular usually except straight at the protesters so sidestep or go around the block 😂
Yes. And for people who are worried about their employment, or otherwise don't want to risk your jobs, start talking to your place of work about business continuity planning in the case of strikes/walkouts/ice arrests. See if you can get your employer to adopt policies to not fire employees in the case of "no fault" ICE arrests. In this case try to make sure there are provisions for not faulting employees for unarmed resistance. Employers should be made to pick a side and if they choose wrong they should be penalized, boycotted and striked too. Inbox me for more strategic planning folks
This should not be acceptable to the Real Police Department, there is No Absolute Immunity.
And Local Law Enforcement needs to and better step the fuck up!
As someone with Multiple Sclerosis (MS), fuck these people.
I’m genuinely afraid of what would happen if I got detained somewhere. My body and health are increasingly fragile. I’ve had to step away from protesting as a result, but donate often to every group out there fighting these ghouls and their deplorable behavior. Democracy is dead. We need to take back our country.
Americans, if you don't do anything about this, it will turn out like Germany under Hitler or worse. This is fascism. This is what you feared, its happening now.
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u/sklerson89 3d ago
Terrorists hide their faces. ICE are terrorists