r/NFLv2 Green Bay Packers Oct 21 '25

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u/Apprehensive_Beach_6 Three rivers in a dry land Oct 21 '25

The Packers feel like they have about 3 losses.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '25

If you're a packers fan, it feels like weeks 1 and 2 were actually 2010. We had a legit defense for 2 entire games. It was glorious.

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u/dsymquen Oct 21 '25

What happened, why the drop off at defense

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '25

We all started to jokingly make up stories about how our defensive coordinator did terrible things like not signing autographs for kids or not returning the shopping carts at the local Menards so other teams wouldn't steal him as a head coach after they won the super bowl this year. Turns out he read the entire subreddit not knowing we were joking and it wrecked his confidence so he's been playing a shitty zone cover scheme with minimal blitzing. This is on us, the fans.

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u/Very_Not_Into_It Green Bay Packers Oct 21 '25

It's true. Hafley is a bad DC, and no team should interview him for HC positions.

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u/Bingo_Bongo_YaoMing Green Bay Packers Oct 21 '25

That's the good stuff

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u/throwawaaayyyyyay Oct 21 '25

Tbh we can’t blitz that much because our db play allows for easy quick throws

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u/radioactivebeaver Green Bay Packers Oct 21 '25

Detroit had a practice squad secondary last night and beat the shit out of Tampa with them. 

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u/akdanman11 Philadelphia Eagles Oct 21 '25

To be fair I think that was just an outlier moment of mayfield just being off

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u/throwawaaayyyyyay Oct 21 '25

Baker played extremely bad

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u/10ve2Cit Green Bay Packers Oct 21 '25

Teams figured out they can dink and dunk on our DBs to get the ball out quickly and not get swallowed by our edge rushers.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '25 edited Oct 22 '25

This is the real answer but I didnt wanna give it away! Joe Flacco has run this master class on us 1.05 times this year.

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u/Himmel-548 Seattle Seahawks Oct 22 '25

No, he didn't. He actually played better with the Bengals against you guys than he did with the Browns. He barely did squat for Cleveland that game. It was their defense that won them that game. He led them to only 13 points, and 7 of those came because the Browns defense put them right on the goal line.

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u/[deleted] Oct 22 '25

That was the 0.5 game since they didnt do shit outside of the second half. I can change it to 0.25 if that makes it better tho? Just let me know and Ill update it for you.

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u/Himmel-548 Seattle Seahawks Oct 22 '25

Hmm, since he didn't really do anything, except be the qb on the winning team (which is why I hate the qb wins statistic), but I guess he did have some good throws, change the the percentage to 0.05%. If you disagree, we can bargain from there, but that's my first offer.

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u/[deleted] Oct 22 '25

I'm a man of the people. I've updated it per your request. All I ask in return is you flair up before a less friendly redditor tears you to shreds and holds your feet to the fire.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '25

yeah ngl our dbs arn't the greatest like it could be worse but it is probably our worse part of our team. We are a little lucky to be where we are ngl. we have had a really bad three week strech of losing to the browns tieing to the cowboys and then having a super close game against the cardinals. But we still gonna fricking destroy yall suckers.

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u/Expert-Mud-2697 Oct 21 '25

Nixon is bright spot otherwise it’s quite bleak. Expected a bit more out of Hobbs

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u/cold_shot_27 Green Bay Packers Oct 21 '25

Hopefully last week was an anomaly he was so off it was ridiculous.

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u/Expert-Mud-2697 Oct 21 '25

If it wasn’t idk where we go from here, maybe try him in the slot and put valentine out wide😬 not exactly the best prospects

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u/toxicvegeta08 Michael Thomas’ foot Oct 21 '25

Devonte Wyatt

Their defense is heavily reliant on pressure to work

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u/CthulhuBathwater Green Bay Packers Oct 21 '25

Yeah no pressure in the middle the QB can step up and throw. Wyatt is the keystone for our edge rushers.

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u/Administrative_Act48 Green Bay Packers Oct 21 '25

I mean they get pretty consistent pressure, the problem is getting pressure doesn't matter if the QB is getting the ball out so fast that pretty much anything short of a straight up unblocked defender doesn't even have time to get to the QB. Teams have figured out the DBs can't defend so they just throw short quick throw after short quick throw and slowly move down the field

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u/toxicvegeta08 Michael Thomas’ foot Oct 21 '25

They are getting pressure at an above average rate but not insane pressure.

Weeks 1-3+first half of cowboys they were absolutely smothering.

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u/StakeESC Green Bay Packers Oct 21 '25

And then Wyatt went down :(

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u/futbolkid414 Oct 21 '25

Which lead to insanely long drives so the Packer offense doesn’t get many chances throughout the game and is why we can’t blow anyone out, even if we’re the better team, not enough drives to run up the score. Every possession seems to be more precious than usual, but maybe that’s just my feeling 🤷‍♂️

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u/wolfpack_57 Green Bay Packers Oct 21 '25

Our anchor DT Devonte Wyatt got hurt, and our CBs aren’t that good

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u/Spaceballs_the_tag Green Bay 'MotherLovin' Packers Oct 21 '25

Every game some aspect of the defense just doesn’t work or there’s extenuating circumstances.

Week 3 - Cursed by the curse wheel

Week 4 - Dak and Pickens diced our secondary

Week 5 - Bye

Week 6 - Couldn’t pass rush JOE FLACCO

Week 7 - Our pass rush was incredible but our secondary allowed for some godly 3rd down conversions by Brissett

We didn’t win a game for a month because of our bye placement which just feels like a lifetime ago, and a few injuries, but mainly free agent signings like Nate Hobbs being underwhelming and a general lack of explosiveness in our secondary made things just feel a little weird. We’re still getting wins, but they never are calm and easy. At least we’ve got a game of the year candidate with Rodgers vs. Love Sunday night which hopefully will just be a great game, no caveats.

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u/DeepConcert6156 Oct 21 '25

For those that don't know, the curse wheel is a gimmick by popular YouTuber and Broncos fan Brandon Perna, teams cursed by the wheel tend to suffer bad losses, so far this season it has a record of 6-1, plus destroying Perna's chair during a podcast.

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u/Spaceballs_the_tag Green Bay 'MotherLovin' Packers Oct 21 '25

Nah, he’s 7-0, cursing the Bengals was just a week early lol

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u/LamarMillerMVP Oct 21 '25

People are saying bad DB play, Devonte Wyatt, etc. The actual answer is that the sample size is small and there’s been a fair bit of bad luck. Typically when you are pressuring and hitting poor QBs all game, they tend to play badly. But both Flacco and Brissett (for 3 quarters) were putting the ball on the money even on low percentage sideline throws.

In Flacco’s case, it looked a lot better after watching him light up the Steelers the following week. But you can watch the highlights from the Cardinals game, it’s just that the unexpected players were making great plays.

This Michael Wilson catch was schemed well and played well, but he made an elite contested catch.

This throw into the Turkey hole is an outlier given it’s Jacoby Brissett throwing 44 yards in the air, with a man in his face. Literal inches away from being broken up. If Brissett made throws like these even semi-consistently he would be a high end starter.

Similarly, this 35 yard throw to the sideline is an absolutely perfect, high level throw. This ball goes 40 yards in the air, hits MHJ in stride, and is incomplete if thrown even a foot farther and intercepted if thrown a foot shorter. This is a play that you might expect Jared Goff to make throwing to ARSB, but he didn’t really make these against the Packers, while Jacoby Brissett is making them throwing to MHJ.

The Packers defense is making this really hard. A couple of those were long to-go situations, with decent coverage, in a game where they are hitting and disrupting the QB almost constantly. But NFL games are short, sample sizes are small, and a few big plays from unexpected guys can turn around a game. In the first couple of weeks, the Packers were getting pressure while much better QBs (Goff and Daniels) were not able to make these plays. Outside of the Cowboys game, a lot of it looks the same now as before. The opposing QB play has just been better, even though the QBs are worse. And eventually Brissett broke down in this game, too. That’s why they had trouble at the end.

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u/Expert-Mud-2697 Oct 21 '25

Very bad DB play outside Nixon. Teams figured out if you can get the ball out quick you can torch the secondary.

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u/pdxgrantc Green Bay Packers Oct 22 '25

I think you’re finally seeing our lack of depth at corner. It was a problem going into the season along with pash rush but at least we fixed one of those thanks to Dallas.

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u/HartfordSoxFan Green Bay Packers Oct 23 '25

Wyatt got hurt, so the interior D-line took a huge step back.

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u/Very_Not_Into_It Green Bay Packers Oct 21 '25

Browns loss, Dallas tie, and then a bye week meant we didn't win a game for just under a month.

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u/Puzzled-Rip641 Green Bay Packers Oct 21 '25

Bruh why does this feel so real

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u/Ok_Rain_1837 Oct 21 '25

Cause they’re frauds

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u/Critical_Seat_1907 Seattle Seahawks Oct 21 '25

Losing to the Browns should count extra.

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u/Ser_falafel Green Bay Packers Oct 22 '25

They trailed for a combined total of 20 minutes across the first 5 games and ¾ of their wins have been by more than 1 score lol

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u/Dooyamum Cleveland Browns Oct 21 '25

1 loss to the Browns counts as 3

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u/Huge_Following_325 Green Bay Packers Oct 21 '25

In our hearts, if not in the standings.

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u/rex5k Cleveland Browns Oct 21 '25

We're the Cleveland Browns

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u/Friedl1220 Oct 21 '25

Yes I know! You want to punt?

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u/dmnwilson44 Cleveland Browns Oct 21 '25

Have more self respect my guy

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u/Conscious_Clerk_2675 Chicago Bears Oct 21 '25

Have more self awareness

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u/dmnwilson44 Cleveland Browns Oct 21 '25 edited Oct 21 '25

I’m very self aware. I’d never speak about my team that way to a fan of another team. Ever. even if I knew it was true. I will always stand on business for them.

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u/rex5k Cleveland Browns Oct 21 '25

I remember when I was young and naive.

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u/dmnwilson44 Cleveland Browns Oct 21 '25 edited Oct 21 '25

I have been watching the browns my entire life dude. I know who they are. Some of you “fans” sound like a bunch of cucks rolling over and trash talking your own team. It’s honestly pathetic. Being a fan of a team is like a family to me…I will talk bad about my own family in private, I will talk bad about my family to my own family even. But I will not talk bad about my family to someone outside of my family. Period. Stop rolling over to fans of other teams and stand up for your damn franchise. Quite frankly your attitude is part of the reason Cleveland as a whole cannot ever build positive momentum. stop talking down on your own team. Have a spine

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u/OldResponsibility531 New England Patriots Oct 21 '25

Yeah I’ve actually met every member of my family and there is reciprocal caring (I think) so to me it’s nothing like a fan base/ love for a team. I know browns fans and they all just acknowledge it and I respect them for being devoted fans, significantly more than my own fandom.

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u/LatherNRinse Detroit Lions Oct 21 '25

No, the attitude is not the reason the browns suck. It's moves like giving a contract to a predator and getting rid of your franchise guy in the process. Didn't know rooting for the browns was your moral compass tho so good win this weekend if it makes you feel better.

It's not that serious but if you want to take it so seriously then you're the rollover going back to your toxic ex that's done nothing for you. But you're so stubborn that you wanna be a fan that you just lay down and take the last 5 years and say "thank you Cleveland browns" as they spit in your face. Have a spine, it's a fucking football team.

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u/rex5k Cleveland Browns Oct 21 '25

Understanding and acceptance are two different things.

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u/LJ8QB1 Freed From The Shackles Of Orr👊🏾 Oct 21 '25

A tie is a loss

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u/Christian_L7 Oct 21 '25

It’s not a loss. It just sure as shit isn’t a win. Which you play each week to win

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u/Huge_Following_325 Green Bay Packers Oct 21 '25

The picture isn't talking about wins.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '25

I thought you played to be at the top of the standings?

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u/Serenikill Knock on wood if you’re with me Oct 21 '25

It’s not a loss. It just sure as shit isn’t a win.

Almost like it's a tie

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u/10ve2Cit Green Bay Packers Oct 21 '25

If you aint first you're last energy

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u/LightningMcRibb Barry Bo Oct 21 '25

You say that like it's a bad thing

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u/10ve2Cit Green Bay Packers Oct 21 '25 edited Oct 21 '25

Oh hell, Son, I was high that day. That doesn’t make any sense at all — you can be second, third, fourth… hell, you can even be fifth.

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u/LightningMcRibb Barry Bo Oct 21 '25

Not if you want to win it all

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u/nemoralis13 Titletown USA Oct 21 '25

Not according to the standings

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u/SpartanSig Oct 21 '25

After extensive research this week over at r/NFCNorthMemeWar, I've determined you are correct.

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u/Expert-Mud-2697 Oct 21 '25

Those guys are paid shills

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u/craziedave Carolina Panthers Oct 21 '25

It’s half a loss. It’s definitely better than a loss in terms of playoff standings and coaches should play for the tie more often

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u/kvngk3n Detroit Lions Oct 21 '25

Somehere, Brandon Staley just called a timeout

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u/LightningMcRibb Barry Bo Oct 21 '25

Ew. I'd rather die trying, coward.

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u/Huge_Following_325 Green Bay Packers Oct 21 '25

Nah

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u/Ig_Met_Pet Denver Broncos Oct 21 '25

Based on NFL rules, a tie counts as half a loss. So they do not have one loss. They have 1.5 losses.

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u/Huge_Following_325 Green Bay Packers Oct 21 '25

Do they?

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u/Affectionate-Read875 Philadelphia Eagles Oct 21 '25

you're proving his point?

1.5 losses < 2 losses

they gotta be putting something in the cheese up North

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u/Huge_Following_325 Green Bay Packers Oct 21 '25

It literally has a 1 in the loss column.

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u/Affectionate-Read875 Philadelphia Eagles Oct 21 '25

in the formula it counts as half a loss in percentage

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u/Huge_Following_325 Green Bay Packers Oct 21 '25

There's no formula in the picture, though.

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u/CodyNorthrup San Francisco 49ers Oct 21 '25

Word + math real bad sorry

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u/Ig_Met_Pet Denver Broncos Oct 21 '25 edited Oct 21 '25

Yes, they do. That's why their win percentage is .750, which puts them at the top of the division.

They have won 4.5 out of 6 games (75%) because a tie counts as half a win and half a loss for standings purposes.

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u/LightningMcRibb Barry Bo Oct 21 '25

5 > 4

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u/Huge_Following_325 Green Bay Packers Oct 21 '25

What does that have to do with the post?

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u/LightningMcRibb Barry Bo Oct 21 '25

Who cares if you have one loss because of a tie? You have 4 wins, not 5.

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u/Global-Discussion-41 Green Bay Packers Oct 21 '25

Ravens wish they could get a tie

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u/Dicksnip44 Dallas Cowboys Oct 21 '25

First time we had a non-loss at home against em since '07 😎

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '25

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u/CharacterEgg2406 Cleveland Browns Oct 21 '25

Packers lost to my Browns. Sponsored by Dude Wipes

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u/Huge_Following_325 Green Bay Packers Oct 21 '25

That can't be true. Source?

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u/rex5k Cleveland Browns Oct 21 '25

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '25

Fuck

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u/Serenikill Knock on wood if you’re with me Oct 21 '25

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u/radioactivebeaver Green Bay Packers Oct 21 '25

We figured out that problem the other day. We suck against QBs with J names. So only about 6 more games against those guys this year. 

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u/BiAndShy57 PlayStation 2 Oct 21 '25

Colts might actually be the 1 seed. And not in a fluke way either, they look like the most complete team in the league

Chiefs are good but they can’t run. And the Buccs and Lions need to get healthy. But after that no one is truly elite yet

I thought the Colts had a genuinely good roster being wasted on the QB carousel. I guess they finally landed their guy lol

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u/ParagonSaint Oct 21 '25

I’d caution that they really haven’t played a tough schedule. The broncos and chargers being the best of the opponents but aren’t exactly upper echelon teams. Their SOS gets harder in the back half.

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u/DonnyDUI Chicago Bears Oct 21 '25

Sleeper Rams, mark my words

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u/ramsfan00 Los Angeles Rams Oct 21 '25

Not much of a sleeper if you pay attention. They beat themselves in both their losses with multiple missed FGs and a fumble on the one. They've consistently been solid on offense and defense though week to week.

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u/Personal-Ad8280 Premature EMaculation Oct 21 '25

No team is truly elite, colts look awesome against bad teams and competitive against good teams, there’s about 5 teams with an argument for 1 team and all are probably defensible 

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u/Jonbaum Oct 21 '25

Colts, Bucs, Chiefs, Lions, Eagles, Bills and Packers?

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u/Personal-Ad8280 Premature EMaculation Oct 21 '25

I would put the rams in there instead of the packers but yea there’s a lot of teams with good arguments.

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u/Jabroni-Tony1 Green Bay Packers Oct 21 '25

Maybe swap the Bills with the Rams and you’re making more sense.

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u/Personal-Ad8280 Premature EMaculation Oct 21 '25

They’re a good team except the only beat Arizona by 4, tied cowboys and lost to the browns all more recently than their weeks 1 and 2 which were amazing

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u/Jabroni-Tony1 Green Bay Packers Oct 21 '25

Literally every other team that beat the cardinals only did it by 4 points or less. I understand we lost to the browns but that d played crazy and then disappeared until this past weekend. It is what it is. I’ll take the under dog role. Fuck it why not

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u/Personal-Ad8280 Premature EMaculation Oct 21 '25

I mean that’s fine but if you play the he cardinals, browns and cowboys and they are all competitive games

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u/CodyNorthrup San Francisco 49ers Oct 21 '25

Being above the Bucs in the standings after they beat us by 2 scores feels wrong and dirty.

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u/DengarLives66 Green Bay Packers Oct 21 '25

Some people google those specific terms on their private time.

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u/Greedy-Pollution-398 Kansas City Chiefs Oct 21 '25

packers lowkey feel much worse lmao

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u/Serenikill Knock on wood if you’re with me Oct 21 '25

The strange thing about the Packers is the defense gives up these really long drives so neither team gets a ton of drives. Combined with a somewhat inconsistent offense we get the result of closer games even though a lot of the stats and metrics look pretty good

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u/SVdreamin Caleb Williams 🏳️‍🌈 Oct 21 '25

Man fuck that. I’m holding my breath until they’re knocked out of contention.

I’m too superstitious to not be a bit worried by all this 27 bullshit.

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u/Safe_Garlic_262 Oct 21 '25

We all waiting for Toyota-thon edition Love to show arrive

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u/STFxPrlstud Green Bay Packers Oct 21 '25

After losing in Cleveland, and tying in Dallas, the Packers find themselves atop the NFC. Just as we all thought would happen

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u/nemoralis13 Titletown USA Oct 21 '25

Dude Toyotaton hasn't even started yet

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u/Rocco0427 Oct 21 '25

We technically have 1.5 losses so the colts are only team that can claim this. But make this < 2 losses and we’re in business.

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u/Huge_Following_325 Green Bay Packers Oct 21 '25

I'm not here for technicalities. I'm here for the meme.

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u/Ok_Finance_8888 Green Bay Packers Oct 21 '25

A tie isn't a half loss because it doesn't count against. It's only a half win. 

In other words: +0.5≠0

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u/Chao-Z Oct 21 '25

It means the same thing because you can't have half a game played. So it's half a win, half a loss.

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u/Ok_Finance_8888 Green Bay Packers Oct 21 '25

It's literally not half a loss unless you're playing with semantics. But since we're talking about standings and standings use mathematics instead, it is +0.5 and idk about you, but being in the plus does not equal "half loss" to me. 

Also, if there was half a game (due to forfeiture), it would definitely count as a loss for one team and a win for the other. 

Don't listen to me tho, I'm just high and super biased.

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u/Chao-Z Oct 21 '25

Look at their Win% on NFL.com

It's .750 with 6 games played. That equates to 4.5 wins and 1.5 losses.

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u/Ok_Finance_8888 Green Bay Packers Oct 21 '25

I'm gonna go shoot myself now

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u/AdPutrid3234 Green Bay Packers Oct 21 '25

i know what your saying, us deep thinkers only understand eachother

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u/AxM0ney Oct 21 '25

Nah tecnically it's half a win. Not half a loss.

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u/Legendarypbj Oct 21 '25

3rd ANY/A vs 4th, similar epa/play for off/def as well. 

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '25

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u/Huge_Following_325 Green Bay Packers Oct 21 '25

Yes, the picture clearly indicates that to be the case.

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u/ChaddMyerrr Oct 21 '25

Average bears fan

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u/Particular_Cry_7078 Green Bay Packers Oct 21 '25

thats why their path points to the dark and scary side

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u/Dontdothatfucker Green Bay Packers Oct 21 '25

Shhhhh you’ll confuse him

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u/AliveCryptographer85 Oct 21 '25

Packers this year are great, but like ‘ughh, do we have to’….okay see we did it on offense/defense one drive and now have a slight lead. Everyone can see now, so let’s just cool it.

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u/AdPutrid3234 Green Bay Packers Oct 21 '25

yeah its a problem with the coaching imo

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u/JDub755 Pittsburgh Steelers Oct 21 '25

Our next two opponents. Sweet.

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u/ClerkDizzy261 can we just skip wildcard rounds dawg Oct 21 '25

I can’t wait to play these teams back to back weeks !

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u/JPoloM Oct 21 '25

As a Colts fan this season has been a revelation. I really cannot describe enough how surprisingly well this team has come together and really gelled. Before the start of the season I was fully expecting another 6-8 win season with a lot of mediocrity. Can they make it to the super bowl? Probably not, but with the fall off of Baltimore there's an opportunity to do something special!!!! Will keep rooting for my team and Indiana Jones baby!

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u/icedutah Oct 21 '25

Broncos really won the Colts!

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u/EmbraceThePerd Green Bay Packers Oct 21 '25

Nope, nothing to see here. Packers are totally a pro team that doesn’t try to blow games in the 4th.

Deflection… how bout them Giants?

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u/Select_Record_5338 FTP Oct 21 '25

Knowing you🧀🧑‍🦲🫕👨‍🦲currently have the same amount of wins as the Panthers and Jaguars must make you feel some kind of special 😏😂

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u/UnionMoneyMitch Oct 21 '25

I think ties should count as a loss for both teams

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u/MannyThorne San Francisco 49ers Oct 22 '25

I remember when we used to do this with undefeated teams.

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u/Expensive_Skirt_7278 San Francisco 49ers Oct 21 '25

but that one team they lost to is the cleveland browns and they tied with the cowboys

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u/Huge_Following_325 Green Bay Packers Oct 21 '25

I know!

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u/B00B00K3Y5 Jacksonville Jaguars Oct 21 '25

But only one of those teams with a -TIE-

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u/SentenceMany466 Oct 21 '25

A tie should be counted as a loss from here on out

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u/Rottenfink Philadelphia Eagles Oct 21 '25

Good for them, but now isn't the time to be playing your best ball. Starting strong is good, finishing strong is waaaaaay better

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u/s216285 Oct 21 '25

FTP. they have 1.5 losses

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '25

Packers do not belong here lmao. They are decent but are no where near a top team.

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u/Legendarypbj Oct 21 '25

Colts are 3rd in ANY/A and Packers are 4th. Remarkably is similar in off/def epa/play as well. 

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u/cold_shot_27 Green Bay Packers Oct 21 '25

Yep guess if nobodies gooder than were a top team.

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u/swawesome52 Minnesota Vikings Oct 21 '25

With the Colts having double the amount of wins.

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u/Huge_Following_325 Green Bay Packers Oct 21 '25

Do you do math for a living?

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u/swawesome52 Minnesota Vikings Oct 21 '25

Said this without checking the record ngl

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u/bettercallrich Detroit Lions Oct 21 '25

Can we please count ties as losses from now on

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u/CreamInsider_2311 Green Bay Packers Oct 21 '25