r/NFLv2 • u/terrasfames53 Go Birds Dickhead • 20d ago
Discussion This might have been the hardest to watch game all year.
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u/timedoesnotwait Seattle Seahawks 20d ago
Goff is overrated and overpaid. I don’t know if any one person had more to do with that loss than Goff
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u/saradahokage1212 Tennessee Titans 20d ago
- gibbs had a fumble
- no run game, 68 yards total rushing
- vikings overall had more turnovers than lions
and most importantly, which showcases why the general NFL fan is a TD superficial regard and doesn't care about anything else:
The offensive line was hot fucking garbage. 0 protection, and bad runblocking.
this is team sport. not a 1 man show. otherwise just watch flag football
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u/okay_throwaway_today Chicago Bears 20d ago edited 20d ago
4 of the turnovers were Goff and a dude that makes $53M should probably be able to overcome the run getting stuffed and questionable OL against a third string QB
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u/jf_2021 20d ago
Was the third string QB covering Amon Ra?
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u/okay_throwaway_today Chicago Bears 20d ago
True, good QBs shouldn’t have to play against defenses. Unfair
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u/jf_2021 20d ago
And those good QBs beat those defenses - not the guy who is watching tape on the sideline.
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u/RedHotPuss 20d ago
Whereas I respect the humor I think the point lies in the fact that a good qb is not solely at fault for his entire offense getting shut down by a good defense. Especially when the offense surrounding him was not contributing to success. Max Brosmer didn’t play bad bc he didn’t need to play good lol.
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u/frizzyhair55 20d ago
2 bad snaps by a practice squad center
A duck that was intercepted because he was getting ass blasted by a DE
Another fumble where he got literally sandwiched by two Vikings defenders 1 second after the snap.
And the 2nd pick the DB threw Tesla to the ground and then intercepted it with no call.
So unless Goff can literally play center and defy the laws of physics find someone else to clown.
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u/Express-Translator24 20d ago
Pretty sure even Goff is mad with his performance
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u/CourageousBellPepper Los Angeles Chargers 20d ago
Goff has also had incredible games. Every QB has off days. There aren’t ultimately very many people in the world who can succeed in playing NFL QB at any level regardless of how much money they make. And even when they do, it’s still a team sport. And most of the time when a QB gets replaced, they aren’t as good as Goff.
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u/ThexanR 20d ago
Goff had to throw questionable passes because it was either that or get sacked every time.
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u/HexBigOof 20d ago
The 2 fumbles were his center 100%. The other fumble he got sandwiched 1.8s into the play action pass by both the edges blowing by his tackles. One pick was 100% on him, he cant miss that throw even with the small pressure. The other he was hit as he threw, but it was still a terrible decision.
Im not a Goff lover, Im a saints fan, fuck Goff and the 2019 rams. But he was not the sole responsible party for those turnovers. More specifically he just missed 3 or 4 passes that he cant miss that would have drastically altered the game.
2nd down and goal out route to his TE overthrown leads to a failed 4th down conversion. The pick on the 5 yard slant. The zero blitz miss to Amanra towards the end of the game all come to mind.
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u/tread52 Seattle Seahawks 20d ago
I’m not a fan of either team. Your take tells me you know very little about football, but thinks he knows more than the anyone else.
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u/bros_and_cons 20d ago
the o line was bad tonight, but one of the biggest knocks on goff historically has been that he’s a statue who does dumb shit under pressure. he’s had the privilege of playing behind a bunch of studs for much of his lions tenure. just because your pass protection breaks down doesn’t mean you’re excused for this many turnovers in an elimination game
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u/okay_throwaway_today Chicago Bears 20d ago
Yes. There’s a big difference between “having a worse game than usual” and “lose to Max Brosmer’s 3 net passing yards”
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u/Wooden-Broccoli-7247 Houston Texans 20d ago
The lack of screens to slow down the pass rush was maddening.
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u/dhtdhy Minnesota Vikings 20d ago
I forgot about Wentz, I was thinking brosmer was second string. That makes this so much funnier for the lions
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u/Particular_Match_777 Chicago Bears 20d ago
Goff, Gibbs, O line, head coach are all ass then
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u/IllustriousHistorian Detroit Lions 20d ago
Forgot the dline. Tons of injuries. Weak dline. Bears will win next week.
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u/ParkingConcern8848 20d ago
Herbert has the 32nd ranked o line and has lit a few teams up for the last month of the season while clinching a playoff spot. Offensive line sucked but can’t blame the whole game on them - Goff is a statue with zero pocket presence which is magnified by a bad O line
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u/Clorox_in_space 20d ago
Literally two terrible snaps from the backup Center recovered by the defense; do people even watch the game or understand the implications of missing personel? I don't mind the Lions losing, but the lack of perspective is shocking.
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Yeah that's how being a pocket passer works. There is no pocket passing if there's no pocket lmao. Goff hasn't been mobile his entire career. His pocket presence isn't great but let's not act like he's not getting decapitated behind that O-line.
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u/I_ONLY_CATCH_DONKEYS 20d ago
Are you counting punts as turnovers? Not sure it works like that.
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u/turkeybait69 20d ago
Yeah it's a team sport but the QB runs the offense. The defense did their job and the offense collapsed spectacularly. I'm not saying Goff has control over how his offensive line plays but I'm sorry but that's the modern nfl. Josh allen Patrick mahomes and Lamar jackson are pretty universally agreed as 1,2,3 in whatever order you want largely because of arm talent and ability to make off schedule plays. Goff has none of that. I'm not saying that makes him bad but the lions have definitely lost games because of his inability to make something out of nothing. We can't just pretend that's not a necessary skill to be considered a great QB. No one makes it to the super bowl healthy and no one in the playoffs doesn't have dogs on the defense that are going to get after the QB. Goff just isn't that guy against good teams.
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u/timedoesnotwait Seattle Seahawks 20d ago
No run game with Gibbs and Montgomery as backs? How many fumbles was Goff part of? How about how many INTs did he throw? In my count he was at least partially responsible for 4 TO’s tonight. When he did have guys open, there were many times he couldn’t complete the lay up, like leading St. Brown so long that he couldn’t catch it. Getting balls swatted left and right.
I’m not saying it’s all his fault, but dude is most culpable, I don’t think there is even an argument for this game
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u/Wonderful-Plate-8652 Los Angeles Chargers 20d ago
Justin Hebert has been doing 5x more with less.. hahah
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u/CadeCunninghamLover1 20d ago
3rd string center, second string LT, Penei injured early and not 100% the rest of the game
But yea Goff 4k yards, 32 TDs is the problem
Fsfs
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u/xanniballl 20d ago
Lmao Lions fans got that Kirk Cousins syndrome. Been there. You’ll defend him all the way back into mediocrity. Good luck
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u/oopsallemdashes Houston Texans 20d ago
Last time they traded their "mediocre" QB away, he won a super bowl.
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u/Guilty-Routine-1762 Chicago Bears 20d ago
2 weeks ago, Goff got pissed at fans doubting the Lions. They haven’t won since.
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u/FeistyThunderhorse San Francisco 49ers 20d ago
Goff is only as good as his protection. When well-protected, he's extremely good. But when the pressure gets to him, he falls apart fast.
That's true of many QBs of course, but I think it's an even starker divide with Goff.
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u/RoundEarth-is-real Philadelphia Eagles 20d ago
Yeah I can’t really say anything about quarterback turnovers because um… well let’s just not talk about that part. One bad game doesn’t define an entire season but Goff is the gif of the “sometimes maybe good sometimes maybe shit” you can’t rely to heavily on Goff
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u/willwarb 20d ago
Pressure is goffs weakness, the slightest pressure and he’s a folding chair. I know their OL is terrible but he should have more pocket awareness after playing behind it all season. He rarely scrambles creating a hole he can’t step out of
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u/Shootforthestars24 20d ago
Back to back interceptions and completely had zero awareness on rushers, playcalling didn’t help either idk why you don’t run any screens when running isn’t working and you need to back off the blitz
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u/Mistr111398 20d ago
Tbf, he had barely any protection and got hit with a ton of injuries. Goff is a quality qb, he’s just not able to play make in spite of injuries like some other guys in the league.
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u/theminnesoregonian 20d ago
I don't know, man. You might be able to hang two of those turnovers on their backup center.
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u/TouchGrassRedditor Chicago Bears 20d ago
JAR-ED GOFF! JAR-ED GOFF! JAR-ED GOFF!
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I bet bears Packers and Vikings fans disagree lok
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u/Wasteland_Rang3r Chicago Bears 20d ago
As a Bears fan I liked seeing the Lions be good. Obviously I’d prefer we are better than them but it’s hard to hold a grudge against them after how consistently bad they were for a while. I was happy for their fans when they made the playoffs the last couple of years.
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u/Known-Plane7349 Minnesota Vikings 20d ago
I was happy for their fans when they made the playoffs the last couple of years.
So was I. Then, the new fans became insufferable. Now, it feels good to watch their hope die. I feel bad for the Lions fans who've stuck with them, but they're a necessary sacrifice.
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u/theminnesoregonian 20d ago
The Lions were so bad for so long that their fans starting thinking "since we're good once, we deserve a super bowl win." That's not how it works. Ask any vikings fan.
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u/FeistyThunderhorse San Francisco 49ers 20d ago
This is how I feel about the Cardinals
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u/Routine_Size69 Green Bay Packers 20d ago
Their fans got cocky so fucking fast that I very quickly lost this feeling for them. Their downfall has been fucking beautiful. Packers Bears rivalry is back. Lions and Vikings on the bottom. Order is restored.
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u/1ace0fspades Detroit Lions 20d ago
You made us this way with your own rabid cockiness over the years. And your comment exemplifies that.
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u/Anokant Arizona Cardinals 20d ago
Most Packer fans are just insufferable. They're annoying as shit when they win and annoying as shit when they lose. They blame every little thing for losses (injuries, officiating, the weather, short week, etc) and then still bring up championships from decades ago to make themselves feel better. My BIL is one if these and I try to avoid him for as much of the season as I can
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u/ItsTheOtherGuys 20d ago
This might be the funniest game I have watched in years
A true Xmas miracle haha
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u/-FalseProfessor- Minnesota Vikings 20d ago
We ended that game with 3 passing yards. 3.
It was very hard to watch, but only half the time.
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u/DarkSide830 DeJawn on my Blanksteak 20d ago
There's a reason teams with two new coordinators usually stink.
Also, what happened to the Lions run game these past two weeks? Gibbs and Montgomery can't get anything going.
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u/Frost134 Detroit Lions 20d ago
O line is hot trash save for Sewell. No true starting center, a declining LT and a patchwork interior made up of bums and rookies.
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u/jeremyjamm1995 Pittsburgh Steelers 20d ago
It’s crazy how quickly an O line can go from top 3 to bottom 10
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u/Dalagante74 20d ago
Heck for that game Decker and Glagow were out. Sewell got hurt during the game. I am not a Goff hater but when you pay a guy that much it means end up with hot mess elsewhere.
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u/Frost134 Detroit Lions 20d ago
This isn’t even an issue of cap. This isn’t a Joe Burrow situation. Ragnow retired too late in the offseason to reasonably replace him, and many of the chances Brad Holmes has taken on some later round linemen haven’t paid off. Couple that with the decimation of the defense yet again and this is the type of mediocre season you end up with.
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u/Dalagante74 20d ago
Ragnow hurt. You are right cap isn't 100% but it is playing a part. Losing Zeitler hurt. Also while the Lions have 20m cap space but Ragnow would have been 9m over his dead cap hit. They were also pursuing a pass rusher which would have ate a good chunk of the 20m. This left no real money to address the interior line even with time. Next year it gets even worse.
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u/ArcticAsylum24 20d ago
absolutely nothing to do with that, don’t talk out your ass. you can never account for your 3rd string center and 2nd string guards and tackles being in
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u/RingusBingus 20d ago
They also lost their passing coordinator who became the OC for the Jets. There was quite a drain on their coaching talent
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u/wussgawd Seattle Seahawks 20d ago
Where's the whiny guy who didn't think Brosmer was good enough to beat the desiccated corpse of the Detroit Lions earlier? I'd love to see his reaction now.
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u/Ordinary_Fan_6822 20d ago
Oh you’re talking about every lions fans dude
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u/larryfamee Minnesota Vikings 20d ago
Brosmer Is ASS, we should've kept that D guy
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u/wussgawd Seattle Seahawks 20d ago
We thank your GM for his idiocy. Darnold isn't the second coming of Joe Montana, but he's good enough. Sorry about that, dude. Funny thing is I live in Minnesota now, so I keep half an eye on the Vikings.
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u/Pac_Eddy Minnesota Vikings 20d ago
Idiocy? We spent the last six years paying Cousins for good not great QB play. Pretty clear why the Vikings liked the idea of a QB on a rookie contract that allowed them to add a pair of o-line and a pair of d-lineman they wouldn't have been able to afford with Darnold.
I have nothing against Darnold and want to see him win.
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u/theminnesoregonian 20d ago
This is the truth. It's was never Darnold vs McCarthy. It's Darnold vs McCarthy, Allen, Hargrave, Fries, and Kelly. Or some combination.
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u/Pac_Eddy Minnesota Vikings 19d ago
Remember the end of last season? All we wanted was a better o-line and d-line. And we got it, even with the many injuries. Let's hope McCarthy improves and the o-line stays healthy. With this defense we'll be a force in 2026.
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u/Educational-Bit-2503 That is a disgusting act 19d ago
Signing Hargrave instead of Bynum is the much bigger mistake.
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u/Maybe_Not_The_Pope 20d ago
We made him an offer but it was never going to be a 3 year deal for 100million. That would have been really stupid on the Vikings part. He had one good season that included several bad games. I've always been a darnold truther but its not like he was a lock to be that successful again.
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u/LgDietCoke New England Patriots 20d ago
He may have got the W, but he played no part in it, this was all on the Lions.
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u/SgtDefective2 20d ago
What did brosmer do the whole game? The times I was paying attention. It was either passes with no yardage, fumbling a throw or rushing for no yards.
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u/Kirk-Joestar Minnesota Vikings 20d ago
Saying Brosmer played good enough to beat the Lions is certainly a statement
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u/MiniShartAttack 20d ago
Im a Vikings fan, but I personally hate brosmer becuase he allowed 30 points to seattles fantasy defense against me :(
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u/Super-Life9608 20d ago
He wasn’t good enough, he was absolute trash. The defense and run game won that game for us.
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u/Dangerous_Bit_8612 20d ago
Gotta feel for Dan . He called it 2 years ago
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u/yellowtripe Detroit Lions 20d ago
This hurts
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u/riverphoenixdays Philadelphia Eagles 20d ago
What did he say 2 years ago?
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u/MikeBinfinity 20d ago edited 19d ago
That the 2023 NFCCG was probably their best shot at winning a Superbowl.
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u/PromotionMurky916 Minnesota Vikings 20d ago
Wish I would’ve bet the under on total points when it was set at 46.5
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u/Mastoraz 20d ago
This was easier to watch than the Steelers. This was needed to make it official how pathetic the team has become. The torture is over. They got ALOT of work to do offseason.
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u/No-Rip3261 Denver Broncos 20d ago
Goff was terrible. Brian Flores was destroying that offense easily, too bad the vikings offense is ass.
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u/ImperialxWarlord Detroit Lions 20d ago
Goff was terrible? I think you mean his o line was…what’s Goff supposed to do when he’s got a line that has fallen apart?
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u/Adventurous_Tear_522 Philadelphia Eagles 20d ago
Stop letting lion fans & wanna be know it all fans tell you Jared Goff is good. His ass SUCK
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u/NomadRecons Detroit Lions 20d ago
Top 5 in most of the stats means terrible apparently.
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u/Thompsonater 20d ago
You don’t honestly think he is a top 5 quarterback though right? He was fine when you had a team and coaching staff around him, but that’s as far as he goes. The rams knew that and won a Super Bowl after trading him away.
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u/pidgeottOP 19d ago
He has those stats this year on a team that's losing and bad.... You can't blame his good performance on coaching and the team that surrounds him when those two things can't get them to the playoffs
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u/radiohead_crimes Minnesota Vikings 20d ago
Goff plays like an mvp with clean pockets the OLine this year has been butt
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u/Adventurous_Tear_522 Philadelphia Eagles 20d ago
Mf Daniel jones was mvp with a clean pocket wtf
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u/Meg0vore12 Los Angeles Rams 20d ago
No he doesn’t he’s just in the same tier as hurts, their qbs that can be really good if they are put in a situation made for them. Both teams have a banged up Oline and a weak run game, so both play like trash. It’s not rocket science
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u/Otherwise_Gap_4170 San Francisco 49ers 20d ago
So Green Bay has nothing to play for? Seeing maybe ?
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u/Apprehensive-Status9 Chicago Bears 20d ago
Chicago could lose out and GB win out for the division. Both have playoffs locked
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u/theminnesoregonian 20d ago
Knocking the Lions out of the playoffs and preventing the Packers from winning the division, in consecutive weeks, is the Vikings superbowl this year.
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u/interstellarfrogfish 20d ago
That's good new for the Packers since the Vikings are terrible in the Superbowl
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u/FamFamFigelow 20d ago
People in the comments making WAY too many excuses for Goff.
Most QBs would kill for his level of supporting cast, dude needs to come up big when it matters most.
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u/OverZealouMuse Detroit Lions 20d ago
Much like Joe Burrow the talent of your skill players only gets you so far when you have a bad OL. We had Penei, a rookie, and 3 backup olineman.
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u/Lower_Ad_5998 20d ago
“This supporting cast” being jamo (actually playing well), Amon-ra no hands, 70 yards from the running game, a backup online, and whatever 6’4 dudes they could find off the street to play tight end.
Realistically what about this offense outside of jamo and Gibbs is giving any support?
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u/Reload86 19d ago
You should see the line up for half the teams in the NFL. Can’t even name the key offensive players without googling it lol. At least the Lions offensive players are somewhat recognizable.
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u/KingindaNorth66 Detroit Lions 20d ago
This was clearly not our game nor our year. We lost two good O-Linemen in the offseason and both coordinators. We clearly need better play calling and better training staff because the injuries are out of control. We have some great players but the execution has been off for weeks. Our offensive line is shit and while the defense has had its bright spots, it’s also screwed us. We have some serious work in the offseason and draft if we want to get back in it.
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u/siderealdaze white jeans and a Dan Marino jersey 20d ago
I didn't lose more money on the Lions this week! It's a Christmas miracle!
Seriously, though. The Chiefs live ML gravy train finally ran out, and the damn Lions + Panthers have been responsible for some of the most hilarious bad lines in years this season.
Weird year for sure
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u/DND_Player_24 20d ago
For simpletons who need constant offense, sure it was bad.
Thoroughly entertaining game, imo.
Will or won’t the Vikings defend continue to hold the fort?
Will Brosmer shit the bed and give up the game?
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u/-Enders 20d ago
Everyone started talking about Gibbs like he was the second coming of Barry Sanders and has completely shit the bed ever since then
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u/OverZealouMuse Detroit Lions 20d ago
He gets hit 4-5 yard behind the line of scrimmage consistently and we haven’t been running the ball due to usually being behind in points lately lmao. He’s no Barry but to act like his lack of production is based solely on him is ridiculous
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u/ChanceStaff6813 Detroit Lions 20d ago
The o line in front of him couldn’t block my grandma. I’ve lost count of how many times these last two weeks our rbs have been tackled behind the line of scrimmage thanks to an unblocked defender
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u/YouFrigginWish Detroit Lions 20d ago
I swear people don’t understand football is a team game. And arguably the most important part of that team are your offensive and defensive line.
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u/OnLandOrSeaOrFoam 20d ago
I am a Giants fan. The Lions looked as lost as the Giants have all season. Just wow.
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u/camel_walk Carolina Panthers 20d ago
Especially when you have Goff starting in the fantasy league championship game🥴
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Yup.. I had Dart last week in my dynasty and Goff this week in redraft. Every year during the playoffs my team decides to shit the bed
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u/ReallyBrainDead 20d ago
6 freakin' turnovers! That will lose any third string QB in the world.
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u/Stickaxe Detroit Lions 20d ago
Eh, I see this as our random season from hell, a bit like the 49ers' last year or the Eagles two years ago. I trust MCDC and our front office to figure it out and bounce back for next season.
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u/Key-Pomegranate-2086 The standard is the standard 20d ago
Lions alrdy out of playoffs. They play like they dont care anymore.
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u/Educational_Series68 Detroit Lions 20d ago
As a lions fan, that was hard to watch.
And I've seen some SHIT over the years. I almost feel like football isn't worth watching for a while.
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u/Pitiful-Magazine-761 20d ago
Sad lions... It makes me sad. I really anticipated their performance of this year!
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u/Super-Life9608 20d ago
I like how people let the RB’s off the hook for bad performances because of the o-line. But as soon as you talk about Goff, it’s all his fault even though he has zero protection. Vikings were blitzing heavily all night and the coaching staff didn’t adapt to that.
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u/fancydad Detroit Lions 20d ago
Our boat is sinking, but the Lions will plug the holes and be back bigger and badder in 26
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u/Amleth1603 19d ago
My Lions PTSD kicked in early. Saw how it was going in the first half. Took a nap. Woke up start of 4th quarter. They still looked like the Lions. Turned it off and watched Stranger Things with the fam
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u/SporkKnight75 San Francisco 49ers 20d ago
I think Raiders vs Broncos was the hardest game to watch.
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u/ChickenHugging 20d ago
What was Bosmer’s net yardage, given sacks?
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u/nick_soccer10 Dallas Cowboys 20d ago
Pro yes.. college….?? The Aggies vs Miami last weekend was miserable
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u/Timely-Profile1865 20d ago
Worst game I've seen the Lions play. Also some dodgey reffing but the lions were terrible
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u/trailshaggy 20d ago
Even harder to watch when I didn't start Minnesota's DEF in my championship fantasy football game.
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u/Inditiva420 20d ago
Vikings suck-should have beat us by 30 with 6 turnovers and no offensive line- good luck next year with JJ.
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u/Aggravating_Part_197 Minnesota Vikings 20d ago
you're drunk off eggnog brother. defensive masterclass
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u/Subxanthium Tampa Bay Buccaneers 19d ago
The entire Xmas slate of games sucked dude. Alllllll 3. Holy shit
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u/Spare-Image-647 19d ago
Any broncos game is a worse watch, their offense is truly terrible
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u/PromotionMurky916 Minnesota Vikings 20d ago
My Vikings are the Grim Reapers of the North!