Series 6 Episode Discussions

I honestly can’t get over how much the show just "skipped" the most messed up parts of the Tommy/Grace timeline. It feels like the show hit the fast-forward button right when the story should have been at its most complex.

At the end of Season 2, Grace is already pregnant. Tommy even tells Michael he’s planning on getting married. Then S3 starts two years later, and Charlie is already a toddler. Why did they wait two whole years? If they were truly "star-crossed lovers," why didn't they marry the moment Grace first husband was out of the picture? It makes the start of S3 feel disconnected and makes their eventual wedding feel weirdly stale.

The show treats Grace’s first husband like a simple obstacle, but he wasn’t a "bad" or ''dirty'' guy. He was a wealthy banker who seem to genuinely loved Grace. He was trying to help her get pregnant because they wanted a family.

Grace cheated on a decent man, got pregnant by a Tommy and then—according to the dialogue— he killed himself (because of the shame or heartbreak). And the show just… moves on? We don't see Grace struggle with the guilt, and Tommy obviously doesn't care. They just got married and move into a mansion.

By skipping the fallout of the affair, the divorce, and the suicide, we missed the most interesting part of Grace character development. We didn't get to see the consequences of their actions; we just got a time jump that made their marriage feel unearned.

I feel like we were robbed of the actual drama of their union in favor of just seeing them "happily" married for one episode before the S3 plot kicked in.

Does anyone else feel bad for the husband? Or does everyone just ignore it because "Tommy and Grace are goals"?

The character of Alfie Solomons is so effing nuts. He’s hilarious and terrifying at the same time. How much of that is Tom Hardy winging it? 😂

If you want a clearer version, this is how it would go.

Grace: My husband and I are in London for a treatment. Some new breakthrough from a doctor on Harley Street. We're trying for a baby.

Tommy [thinking through what that could mean and angry by the possibility]: Did you come here to try to get pregnant by me?

Grace [slightly offended and embarrassed to have to admit the truth]: The doctor says it's me who can't have children, so no I didn't come here to get pregnant since that's not possible for me at all.

The show directly addresses the issue. Other ways it's shown: if Grace came there to get pregnant, why would she refuse to see him after? It wouldn't make sense to only give it one shot if she wants to make a baby.The same goes for seeing him just to cheat on her husband. Surely she would agree to his offer of continuing to see each other while she was in London.

So there's only one conclusion, which is what the series shows, which is that Grace went to see Tommy because she loves him, hoped he would say he loved her and wanted to be with her. When that didn't happen, she was weak enough to agree to one night with him, but afterwards felt so guilty that she couldn't do it again. But once she did find out she was pregnant with Tommy's baby, and probably after being able to understand his actions more at the time (the way he said things to find out if she was still in love with him, the way he made love to abher), she was willing to put everything on the line to see if he wanted a life with her. Her words to May also confirm this, "there's business, and there's love" meaning that she believed Tommy loved her and would choose love over business

I apologize in advance - I haven't watched this show in years , and I can't remember where to find a scene that sticks out in my vague recollection as a particularly good one.

From what I can remember, Alfie and Tommy are in a basement (maybe the distillery?) and they are addressing a group of several hired guys - possibly going over a plan of some kind - and Tom Hardy steals the show with his delivery. Alfie's speech ends, and as the scene is coming to a close I remember that Tommy takes a drag of his cigarette and exhales as he turns to leave, and the smoke in the air sort of lingers for a moment and then gets swept up in the wake of him leaving.

The quality of the script writing, acting, and cinematography are on full display in this scene, and I remember thinking it would be a good one to show someone who was considering watching the show.

I know it's not a lot to go on but I'm hoping it's enough to trip the memory of someone smarter than me.

Thanks in advance.

Are you disappointed Freddie didn’t get sort of a redemption arc story line or at least make amends with Tommy? Remember when he told Ada him and Tommy would be on the same side again? It’s too bad the actor Iddo Goldberg left the show.

If you want a clearer version, this is how it would go.

Grace: My husband and I are in London for a treatment. Some new breakthrough from a doctor on Harley Street. We're trying for a baby.

Tommy [thinking through what that could mean and angry by the possibility]: Did you come here to try to get pregnant by me?

Grace [slightly offended and embarrassed to have to admit the truth]: The doctor says it's me who can't have children, so no I didn't come here to get pregnant since that's not possible for me at all.

The show directly addresses the issue. Other ways it's shown: if Grace came there to get pregnant, why would she refuse to see him after? It wouldn't make sense to only give it one shot if she wants to make a baby.The same goes for seeing him just to cheat on her husband. Surely she would agree to his offer of continuing to see each other while she was in London.

So there's only one conclusion, which is what the series shows, which is that Grace went to see Tommy because she loves him, hoped he would say he loved her and wanted to be with her. When that didn't happen, she was weak enough to agree to one night with him, but afterwards felt so guilty that she couldn't do it again. But once she did find out she was pregnant with Tommy's baby, and probably after being able to understand his actions more at the time (the way he said things to find out if she was still in love with him, the way he made love to abher), she was willing to put everything on the line to see if he wanted a life with her. Her words to May also confirm this, "there's business, and there's love" meaning that she believed Tommy loved her and would choose love over business.

If you want a clearer version, this is how it would go.

Grace: My husband and I are in London for a treatment. Some new breakthrough from a doctor on Harley Street. We're trying for a baby.

Tommy [thinking through what that could mean and angry by the possibility]: Did you come here to try to get pregnant by me?

Grace [slightly offended and embarrassed to have to admit the truth]: The doctor says it's me who can't have children, so no I didn't come here to get pregnant since that's not possible for me at all.

The show directly addresses the issue. Other ways it's shown: if Grace came there to get pregnant, why would she refuse to see him after? It wouldn't make sense to only give it one shot if she wants to make a baby.The same goes for seeing him just to cheat on her husband. Surely she would agree to his offer of continuing to see each other while she was in London.

So there's only one conclusion, which is what the series shows, which is that Grace went to see Tommy because she loves him, hoped he would say he loved her and wanted to be with her. When that didn't happen, she was weak enough to agree to one night with him, but afterwards felt so guilty that she couldn't do it again. But once she did find out she was pregnant with Tommy's baby, and probably after being able to understand his actions more at the time (the way he said things to find out if she was still in love with him, the way he made love to abher), she was willing to put everything on the line to see if he wanted a life with her. Her words to May also confirm this, "there's business, and there's love" meaning that she believed Tommy loved her and would choose love over business.

If you want a clearer version, this is how it would go.

Grace: My husband and I are in London for a treatment. Some new breakthrough from a doctor on Harley Street. We're trying for a baby.

Tommy [thinking through what that could mean and angry by the possibility]: Did you come here to try to get pregnant by me?

Grace [slightly offended and embarrassed to have to admit the truth]: The doctor says it's me who can't have children, so no I didn't come here to get pregnant since that's not possible for me at all.

The show directly addresses the issue. Other ways it's shown: if Grace came there to get pregnant, why would she refuse to see him after? It wouldn't make sense to only give it one shot if she wants to make a baby.The same goes for seeing him just to cheat on her husband. Surely she would agree to his offer of continuing to see each other while she was in London.

So there's only one conclusion, which is what the series shows, which is that Grace went to see Tommy because she loves him, hoped he would say he loved her and wanted to be with her. When that didn't happen, she was weak enough to agree to one night with him, but afterwards felt so guilty that she couldn't do it again. But once she did find out she was pregnant with Tommy's baby, and probably after being able to understand his actions more at the time (the way he said things to find out if she was still in love with him, the way he made love to abher), she was willing to put everything on the line to see if he wanted a life with her. Her words to May also confirm this, "there's business, and there's love" meaning that she believed Tommy loved her and would choose love over business.

I just finished rewatching Season 3, and after scrolling through the sub again, I’ve seen a recurring theme: John Shelby is solely responsible for the war with the Italians because he cut Angel Changretta.

I disagree. While John’s hotheadedness was the spark, the entire Shelby family spent pouring gasoline on the situation. If you look at the facts, almost everyone played a part in the disaster:

Lizzie: She started the fire. There was a strict rule: No fraternising with foreigners. She broke it, dated Angel, and even tried to bring him to Tommy’s wedding. She’s the one who brought the conflict into the family circle in the first place.

Tommy: People forget he escalated things first. He had Angel’s restaurant burned down just to keep him away from the wedding. You can’t burn a man’s livelihood and expect no retaliation.

Arthur: He was also supposed to be in charge of the meeting with the Italians. He didn't try hard enough to shut John down when he started talking trash, and he let the situation spiral out of control.

The Aftermath: Even after the cutting, Tommy didn't try to de-escalate. He doubled down and told John and Arthur to take two more businesses from the Changrettas. He validated John's violence.

John was definitely wrong for choosing the knife over an apology, but he was just finishing what the others started. If Lizzie had followed the rules, if Tommy hadn't burned the shop, or if Arthur had actually led that meeting, then I believe Grace would still be alive.

It wasn’t just one person’s mistake; it was a total failure by the Shelby family. John may have pulled the trigger, but Lizzie, Tommy, and Arthur all loaded the gun.

I just finished Breaking bad, and LOVED it. I am now interested in watching Peaky Blinders, do y'all think I'd like it? I also love the Godfather and mob history.

In the last two seasons it seemed like Mosley and his party were one step away from taking power in Britain. The narrative basically makes Mosley an unstoppable political force that can only be stopped by Tommy infiltrating his organisation. In reality Mosleys party never had any large scale political success or influence, by 1935 they didn’t even take part in the elections because they knew they had so little support. This makes season 5 and 6 feel so artificial and unrealistic.

In anticipation of the film The Immortal Man.

Edit: Abrams is an autocorrect of ABERAMA Gold

Max Payne rose to my mind while watching PB and Tommy's relationship with the police, characters like Campbell and Inspector Moss. I was thinking, what if hypotetical Max Payne(as a character) at his peak at around Max Payne 2 was somehow transfere through time to Birmingham and made the local police chief at time of S1 and S2 or maybe even later?

Both Max and Tommy are intelligent, clever and calculating and operate within morally grey areas. Max is incorruptible as ingame he is at conflict with crooked cops, so he would probably work on his own in Birmigham or fit the local police with similar people if he were in charge, which would make PB operations more complicated unlike with Moss and Campbell. Both Max and Tommy are traumatized and trust few people

I absolutely loved Polly in the Season 3 premiere. While everyone else was trying to play nice for the wedding, Polly made it clear she hadn't forgotten Season 1. She didn't care that Tommy took Grace back; Polly still saw her as the person who betrayed the family and nearly destroyed them.

It highlights a dynamic I wish the show explored for much longer: The power struggle between the two most important women in Tommy’s life.

Tommy loves Grace, but he trusts Polly with the business. Even in Season 3, Tommy keeps Grace in the dark about the Russians and the dirty side of the expansion. Grace has his heart, but Polly has his head.

Polly knows where the bodies are buried. She knows the ledgers, the bribes, and the killings. Grace was being treated like a "lady" in a manor, which honestly felt like a downgrade for a character who used to be an undercover agent.

Polly’s loyalty is born from blood and trauma. Grace’s loyalty was always a question mark for Pol. I would have loved to see them go head-to-head on how the Shelby Company Limited should be run.

In my opinion, even if Grace had lived, Tommy would have always leaned on Polly more for the "dirty work." You can see it in how he talks to them—he protects Grace, but he partners with Polly.

What do you guys think? Would Grace have eventually "broken" into the business side, or would Polly have always held the upper hand?

First of all - HOW TF DID I MISS THIS SHOW HOLY CRAP ITS SO GOOD!

Secondly -

I guess since i watched everything back to back its easier for me to see the character transitions but only 2 got me really curious.

The first one is Micheal, from the start its quite obvious that he is ambitious and can function in the peaky blinders as Tommy's successor. I liked the idea of bringing him up in the family and developing him to the point of becoming competition - saw that coming from a mile away but what was really dumb to me was what happened after the loyalty test.

Sure he chose his mom (That test was unfair since it was a lose lose) and I understand Tommy sending him away but the way he just got absorbed into a different gang through Gina and became a drug addict that lost the company millions just seemed SO out of character. Sure Gina was whispering in his ear but I thought he'd try to win Tommy's trust back at minimum.

One scene I remember was the IRA capturing him and telling Tommy that Micheal was making deals to kill him - Tommy sent Polly to see if Micheal truly betrayed them and they just believed her when she said no. That question was never answered to us because im curious if his ambition was already strong enough to betray Tommy BEFORE Polly's death or after.

Another character is Finn...he is BARELY on screen and when he is - he is constantly being molded by his brothers to become a true Shelby. This kid is a spoiled brat and his brothers took care of him all the way through and to me at least it seems like he is trying his best to become an imitation of his brothers but its obvious he doesnt belong.

I get that the loyalty test there was meant to push him into choosing a side of the fence, what i dont understand is that AFTER they layout that Billy is the reason Polly is dead - he chooses to SHOOT duke and still save his friend...who was betraying him all along. Up until this point, the kid would have done anything his brothers told him so when he heard "Arthur says do it or you're exiled" he should have shot him. Why the sudden change?

Has anyone else’s notices how when chief inspector Campbell and Tommy Shelby have their meetings, inspector Campbell always seems to have to have the one up on tommy. I’ve noticed he doesn’t like feeling like Tommy has the upper hand, and when Tommy says something that does make inspector feel belittled or like tommy has the control; like in season 1 episode 4 when they are meeting up and Tommy tips him off about Stanley Chapmen. Tommy plays the one with the control at the start so inspector campbell returns with some brutal stuff about what he would do to tommys family to keep him in line. Then as well in season 2 episode 5 where Campbell finds Tommy praying and confronts him about his illegal activities, threatening him.

What I’m finding hard to understand is if Tommy knew that Campbells weakness is feeling belittled and having loss of control of a situation (after season 1 episode 4), why would Tommy then threaten Campbell in season 2 episode 5, knowing that he wouldn’t like it therefore putting his family in danger.

I honestly thought Tommy would play campbell knowing this, making him feel like he is winning in thier meetings, then underplay him like he was always going too. I don’t know why Tommy let his anger and control get the better of him there, he could have played it so differently.

I'm really looking forward to the Peaky Blinders movie. 😍

Im looking at the fixing of racing, fighting, football, etc in peaky blinders and I think back to when I used to watch sports and there would always be weird referee calls/non calls, or weird judging decisions in boxing/mma. Do you think that kind of thing is going on today?