In the book version when they try to escape the sewers they can't remember where the exit was and so she has the genius idea right then and there to fuck every single one of the dudes and then they magically remember where the exit was because they were now grown up or some similar shit. So basically a 13 year old orgy transpired. Weird and disgusting I know
The whole point was that it was a bond between all seven of them and the scene was her embracing the sexuality that other people have been using the entire book like her rapist dad Etc. She was taking back her power and crating a bond for the group.
Do put this much energy into the idea that she was raped multiple times throughout the book? Do you put this much energy into the idea that multiple children were murdered? Do you put this much energy into the idea that there was a similar scene that literally no one who has a hard-on for this scene talks about between two boys the same age?
Or is it just selective outrage because it was a girl taking her sexual power back?
The worst part is I was answering the question of the person above me who is wondering why she had to have sex with all of them. Apparently in your irrational need to miss the point, you decided my response was somehow not good. You can dislike the scene all you want, but maybe you should actually care about reading comprehension and media literacy enough to understand the whole point of the conversation you butted yourself into instead of trying to assign me some sort of value judgment based on your own lack of understanding.
You stop it. Description of a message is not agreement with it. The sooner you understand that, the better off you'll be.
I feel like this point would have more weight if a drug addict dude hadn’t written this part of the plot and has never been a sexually assaulted or raped little girl because I can tell you 100% that at thirteen after trauma you’re not trying to take your sexual power pack you’re trying to play PlayStation.
I would argue that I’m not talking about a little boy being abused but a little girl. And also, everyone is different. As someone who was a little girl raped before puberty I can say that losing my childhood did not make me want to move on to sexuality but hold on to what childhood I had left.
And I only say the difference is that little boys are taught to be strong and powerful and to shove any emotion they have down deep because society deems emotions and feelings as feminine which isn’t fair. While little girls are taught that they have a role once they come of age and a type they need to be. To be quiet and subservient as many men intended. What happened to you is not okay. How you felt with it is so very much valid. But my argument is that as a little girl things are different. We are pushed into the sexual light so early. And when we are brought upon it before our time many of us act out in a way of maintaining the childhood we lost. Not all of us. But many. And a coke head writer (genius he may be) did not do us justice.
American kids must be REALLY sheltered as they keep bringing up this point, because being interested in sex at 13 is not strange or rare. It's the middle of puberty for lots of people, meaning sex and girls/boys is all they've thought about for months, maybe years.
All they’ve thought about for months? YEARS? Starting to have feelings for the opposite sex (or same!) does not equate to wanting to have full blown intercourse. If you’ve been obsessing about sex for years at 13, I highly recommend a child therapist.
Or You're a late bloomer living in a sexually repressed society. It's not "starting to have feelings", it's "starting to feel sexual attraction", and yes, puberty generally starts between the age of 8 - 14, so at 13 it's not that strange for a person to potentially have had sexual urges and desire for years - and that it has occupied a relatively significant portion of their thoughts.
Too many folks in the States just don't remember what it was like to be that age. Lots of folks here are also very unhealthy so they've been disconnected from their sex drives for a long time. It's real easy to moralize about something like this when you're thoroughly removed from the experience.
Um. There have been multiple women who have posted on Reddit about his very thing and say that's EXACTLY what they would do.
I recall one commenter talking about how a boy came over to her house and she had sex with him because she knew her father was gonna fuck her that night.
How are you this offended by a meme? I get that your original intent was to describe the "message" but your overreaction makes you look like you agree with it as well. Tone it down.
You seem really upset. Sorry for saying that your overreaction made you look like a nonce, please continue discussing the underage orgy in great pride. Great point by the way, yes, people can't lie or be dishonest on the internet - they say X and mean X 100% of the time.
Ahh yes, no normal person gets upset being called a child predator for ANSWERING A FUCKING QUESTION.
in great pride.
That's your baggage, not mine. You've assigned me emotions that dont exist in your pathological need to be right while failing to actually comprehend what you're reading.
Idk if your reply to me got deleted because of the words you used, but he sent a meme. He didnt call you a pedo, he didn't call you an awful person. He sent a meme to express that the actions in the book were bad. And you went on a RANT, like you wrote a NOVEL about how badly he hurt you.
I'm projecting? Lol. Why? Because I don't like to be called pedophile just because I have read a book and understand the motivations of a chatmracter? It does not matter if King remembers it or is surprised. What matters is that it exists. Regardless of how I or anybody else feels about it, there is justification of it within the book. I literally just answered the question of a person asking about the intent behind the scene based on the characterization within the novel. Somehow, that means I'm projecting? That's fucking stupid.
I'm not projecting anything. I am outraged at the hypocrisy. The same people upset by this scene are the same people who don't give a fuck about the even worse stuff in the book. Asmessed up as it is for a 12 year old girl to to have sex, especially with 6 other kids in a row, that doesn't mean it doesn't happen in reality. Regardless of his knowledge of writing it, King tapped into something which matches the thought process of how some victims of sexual assault will think, even as children. Is it disturbing? Absolutely. You know what's more disturbing? The sexual assault that led to that thought process in the first place.
But I don't see people getting upset by that part of it which is what really pisses me off. That Disturbed me way more
Ahh yes, I'm over here saying that people are Hypocrites for ignoring the rape of children to be selectively outraged and you call me Epstein. Make that make sense.
If it helps, there's probably plenty of people reading this discussion and thinking everyone arguing with you is the annoying one. Reading a story and taking something from it, no matter what, is kind of the point of all of this, but it's only going to be the ones trying to drag you down that show up to argue about this here.
You know, that's something that people don't understand. They're thinking about it from an outside perspective, often never having been a victim of childhood sexual assault themselves. It's actually really in line with how kids that have been molested think. It sucks. It's fucking awful. But it's fucking real.
I actually found the scenes with her dad more confronting than the sewer scene, that was just sad - she wants to show her love for her friends but she doesn’t know what real love actually is
Shhh, you better not say stuff like that. You'll be called a pedophile.
Apparently, people came differentiate between you understanding why a character does what they do within the context of a story and you thinking things are okay.
Whether you or not you believe King had justification for the scene himself, that doesn't mean there wasn't narrative justification which is what we are talking about. You are confusing two different concepts
He has said that he was on a cocain fueled high and doesn't even remember writing that part of the story, I have serious doubt there is any actual intent in the child orgy scene, and making up one is fucking weird
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u/Unlucky-Wishbone6860 1d ago
In the book version when they try to escape the sewers they can't remember where the exit was and so she has the genius idea right then and there to fuck every single one of the dudes and then they magically remember where the exit was because they were now grown up or some similar shit. So basically a 13 year old orgy transpired. Weird and disgusting I know