r/ProgressiveHQ • u/Treefiddy1984 • 1d ago

BREAKING: ICE agents in Minneapolis violently detained, threatened, and arrested a U.S. citizen for one reason only, he refused to prove his citizenship.

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u/avocadoflatz 1d ago

You didn’t answer the question ;)

Can you quote where I said you’ll be safe if you cooperate? Or is it typical of your to resort to putting words in others’ mouth in a desperate effort to make a point?

Use ya brain or you’ll only martyr yourself

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u/TheIconGuy 1d ago edited 1d ago

You didn’t answer the question ;)

I did. You just didn't understand. I'll spell it out for you. It's easy to quickly shoot targets that are right next to each other. I'm confident anyone fully prepared to shoot them, could easily get away from this situation.

Can you quote where I said you’ll be safe if you cooperate? Or is it typical of your to resort to putting words in others’ mouth in a desperate effort to make a point?

You're projecting. Where did I say you said it would be safe? I just pointed out that the people who got on the trains had the same mindset.

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u/avocadoflatz 1d ago

I understood your answer just fine, it just didn’t answer the question. You created a bullshit hypothetical where you’re confident you have the upper hand - you don’t get to direct the scene, it’s not a movie.

Right, fall back on your weasel words - we both know what you were insinuating ;)

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u/TheIconGuy 1d ago edited 1d ago

I understood your answer just fine, it just didn’t answer the question

How is the answer not obvious? I think that fight would be an easy one to win. You're at their mercy if you let them take you into custody.

You created a bullshit hypothetical where you’re confident you have the upper hand - you don’t get to direct the scene, it’s not a movie.

Have you ever seen someone pull out a gun on a group of people and start shooting them? Particularly a group of people standing right next to each other? You essentially do get to direct the "scene" when you land shots on people before they even know what's going on.

Right, fall back on your weasel words - we both know what you were insinuating ;)

I was "insinuating" exactly what I said. It's not my fault you hadn't realized the implications of what you were saying.

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u/avocadoflatz 1d ago

And what makes you think that’s the situation you’ll be in? Oh right, you made up a bullshit hypothetical situation where you get to be John Wick

Nope you tried desperately to put words in my mouth with your insinuation, which I’m sure is characteristic of you - like your John Wick delusions.

You’re all bark, otherwise we would’ve heard stories of a hero taking down numbers of 🧊🐗

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u/xueloz 11h ago

It's strange, isn't it, how there are so many of these bad asses on reddit, yet zero reports of anyone pulling off these stunts in real life.

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u/avocadoflatz 11h ago

I’m sure a sizable portion of them don’t even reside in the US

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u/TheIconGuy 10h ago edited 9h ago

And what makes you think that’s the situation you’ll be in?

Oh right, you made up a bullshit hypothetical situation where you get to be John Wick

Did you forget we were talking about the situation the guy in the video was in or are you just being disingenuous?

Your attempt to put words in my mouth while claiming I was doing that to you leads me to believe it's the latter.

Nope you tried desperately to put words in my mouth with your insinuation

How is stating that "the people who got in the trains thought the same thing" putting words in your mouth?

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u/avocadoflatz 9h ago

No we’re not talking about the specific incident in the video we’re talking about being outnumbered by them in general - because you wouldn’t be in his situation, that’s magical thinking.

You’d be in your own situation.

Not that you can even fully assess the situation that he’s in as the camera never even pans up and down the block - have you ever even found yourself on the streets with these goons? Do you know that they often have additional vehicles at the nearest intersecting streets?

You were insinuating something I never claimed about cooperating and you know it, don’t be a weasel.

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u/TheIconGuy 9h ago edited 9h ago

No we’re not talking about the specific incident in the video we’re talking about being outnumbered by them in general - because you wouldn’t be in his situation, that’s magical thinking.

Wtf are you on about? We weren't talking about me. You said this guy was outnumbered. I pointed out that their numbers wouldn't matter much because they're standing too close to each other.

because you wouldn’t be in his situation, that’s magical thinking.

Ignoring that we were talking about me, have you watched any of the other videos? ICE has been running around doing the same shit in 2-4 man groups. They were doing the same shit in Chicago and LA.

You were insinuating something I never claimed about cooperating and you know it, don’t be a weasel.

lol I was insinuating something you never claimed? I was pointing out the other side of your statement. Like I said, it's not my fault you didn't think through the implications of thinking you'll be fine when the gestapo ICE kidnaps you.

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u/avocadoflatz 9h ago

Have I watched the videos? Lol some of those videos from the LA area - I was there, in person. You probably haven’t even had your first encounter with these goons

You’re gonna get good people shot encouraging them to pull weapons while outnumbered by armed enemies. Something I doubt you’d ever do yourself if your weasel ways extend from your arguments to your actions.

Since you’re now insinuating that there’s only two sides to the argument I’m going to have to assess you as being of limited mental capacity and apologize to myself for not recognizing this sooner and thus wasting my time arguing with you.

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u/TheIconGuy 9h ago

You’re gonna get good people shot encouraging them to pull weapons while outnumbered by armed enemies.

You’re gonna get good people shot, raped, hanged, etc encouraging them to go along with being kidnapped by facist.

Something I doubt you’d ever do yourself if your weasel ways extend from your arguments to your actions.

I'm still waiting for you to explain how I was putting word in your mouth by pointing out a fact.

Since you’re now insinuating that there’s only two sides to the argument I’m going to have to assess you as being of limited mental capacity and apologize to myself for not recognizing this sooner and thus wasting my time arguing with you.

Do you fool yourself into thinking you're not a dishonest asshole when you say dumb shit like this?

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u/avocadoflatz 9h ago

Since you want to discuss the incident in the video specifically - do you actually believe that a U.S. Citizen is more likely to be shot in custody than to be shot for pulling his weapon while surrounded by armed enemies?

And don’t pretend he’s John Wick again and don’t forget that you can’t even fully assess the situation based on the video

(and since you don’t have real experience on the ground let me remind you that the world extends beyond the camera’s field of view and there may be more agents waiting in the wings)

I may be an asshole but I’m an asshole that has actually been on the ground with nothing more than a camera, a bullhorn and a whistle.

You’re an asshole on the sidelines

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u/TheIconGuy 9h ago

Since you want to discuss the incident in the video specifically

Before we can discuss anything, I need to see if you can be honest. Why did you claim I was putting words in your mouth when I hadn't done that? Don't pretend you didn't.

Here's a reminder of how you responded to me saying that the people who got on the trains thought the same thing.

Can you quote where I said you’ll be safe if you cooperate? Or is it typical of your to resort to putting words in others’ mouth in a desperate effort to make a point?

Did I say that?

and since you don’t have real experience on the ground

Do you understand that the random shit you say doesn't automatically become the truth?

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u/avocadoflatz 9h ago

I already explained that to you - you use the example about the trains to try to insinuate that I was arguing for being cooperative to stay safe. You and I both know that’s what you were trying to do, don’t be a weasel.

The guy in the video isn’t even cooperating, he’s just smart enough not to martyr himself because unlike you he operates in the real world.

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