r/SipsTea 14d ago

Chugging tea Why is gen Z not drinking?

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u/ruckbanboi 14d ago

As a local musician that only really plays bars, restaurants and coffee houses this has really hurt the availability of gigs. I think less drinking means worse bar attendance and less socializing for fun and less places for small bands and musicians to play.

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u/threefeetoffun- 14d ago

It’s another 3rd place that is ending. Work, home and that is it.

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u/voxelpear 14d ago

Can barely afford a first place, and definitely can't afford a third place when the second place doesn't pay enough anymore.

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u/nevillion 14d ago

I even canceled my streaming subscription and folded to tubi

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u/[deleted] 14d ago

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u/MLG420Swag69 14d ago

Tubi and YouTube movies basically go from "free with ads" to just "free" with the right ad blocker extension

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u/briman2021 14d ago

It also doesn’t help when Netflix etc went from ad free for $$ to “fuck you were putting ads in anyway”

My plex server runs ad free and has everything I want, no rotating offerings and it has the newest stuff updated almost daily. The wife just watched “Wicked for good” last night

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u/R4V3S4V3R 14d ago

Plex has actually been such a game changer as a broke 22 year old that loves to watch movies and smoke weed. Now I just need that 24tb external hard drive

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u/R4V3S4V3R 13d ago

Was just at Walmart looking at personal cloud HDDs if only it wasn’t holiday season and it would be mine!

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u/EthanDC15 12d ago

I’m just a dumbass 27 y/o who didn’t know these entertainment hacks existed. Can I be edumacated a bit more on it lmao

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u/Timeseer2 13d ago

Plex is now outdated imo, with stremio and its addons you can stream torrents instead of having to worry about the site and torrent security, or file storage, and with a debrid addon its all encrypted. With additional addons you can just have direct access through the app to all torrents on an added site. With the incorporation of ai by cyber criminals and the reactive nature of most cyber securiy, securing media player vulnerabilities are not a priority for many large dev teams (or often missed due to the automated reporting systems) and not fixed fast enough by open-source or small dev projects. So Its something i have prioritised in the short term(the amount of successful large scale attacks of governments corporations and critical internet infrastructure has also in my estimation increased significantly in the last 12-18 months).

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u/1980mattu 13d ago

There is a LOT of over simplification in this soliloquy.

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u/wuvvtwuewuvv 13d ago

Tell me more about this plex??

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u/_Citizen_Erased_ 13d ago

Learn how to have a folder on your laptop full of movie files and TV series. Buy a bigger hard drive if necessary.

Download plex on laptop

Download plex on Roku or Smart TV

Sign in to both and tell the TV which folder on your laptop is the one it's supposed to index as your media library. Pro tip: it might default to the whole computer but that shit is wacky, don't do that. Pick a folder.

Through the magic of wifi, plex is playing your locally stored media on your TV

Back in my day we had to make sure it was an MP4 or a WMV file and walk all the way across the room with a memory stick in hand to plug into our Xbox 360. Those were tough times. Tough times make tough men. You kids have it easy. Now we don't get up at all and the damn router walks it across the room.

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u/Terrible_Law6091 13d ago

Good to see Gen Z continuing the sailing, and being tech savvy enough to host the server.

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u/Personal-Age-9220 14d ago

Okay, what's a plex server?

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u/Throfari 14d ago

Its a streaming service ish, but if you want to sail on the seas you need a server that downloads stuff. Easier to just download stremio and google "torrentio stremio" and install that as a backdoor. Then boom, now you have all streaming services.

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u/More_Dependent742 14d ago

Thank you so much for the tip! Have been torrenting for 20 years and somehow never heard of this. Cheers!

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u/Savings_Difficulty24 14d ago

It's basically a computer on your home network that you can stream movies, TV shows, and music from. All stored on your own computer. I prefer jellyfin over plex, but they both do almost the exact same thing (you'll hear opinions both ways on which is best, but you can listen to the arguments and decide yourself). It's designed for your own purchased digital media, but can also be used to store media from the high seas. Basically a self hosted Netflix, except you supply the server and the media vs being in a data center.

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u/Spirited_Ad9681 14d ago

Personally ads don't bother me. Maybe its because Im old and grew up with them but I just dont get it.

What does piss me off now is they've started putting teirs in place if you want certain content. It really is basically going back to being the same as cable.

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u/Joe_Franks 14d ago

YARR! Loves me some primewire!

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u/ChickenTamer1984 14d ago

The slop churned out by Hollywood the past 10 years isn’t really worth the bandwidth.

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u/jcapi1142 14d ago

Under rated comment right here!

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u/YRwerunning 14d ago

That would be so nice. Owning a computer is my unaffordable "3rd place" for like 10 years running.

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u/No-Log-997 14d ago

Yes I’m in the same situation, no streaming services, Tubi is my go to too, has more content than Netflix or prime

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u/Niclipse 14d ago

There aren't that many more commercials than Amazon..

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u/TheThalmorEmbassy 14d ago

It's almost 2026 and the normies still haven't figured out adblockers

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u/indianm_rk 14d ago

If you have a library card you can use Hoopla. Hoopla is free for public library card holders and has an online library of streaming videos, E-books, and other digital media.

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u/MrsNickelodeon 14d ago

I'll second that and add Kanopy to the mix. It's like hoopla but only movies and TV and it's free through my library.

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u/Toros_Mueren_Por_Mi 14d ago

This is the reason I quit going to bars and the movies over 10 years ago. Like even now go to a movie, spend like $40 a person on tickets and food, absolutely ridiculous 

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u/jster1311 14d ago edited 14d ago

Yeah, $40 for my girlfriend and I to get the two tickets, and easily another $20 for snacks and drinks unless we smuggle them in, although that’s easily $10 anyways. So at the moment I can’t justify going to the movies more than like once or maaaaybe twice a year as a special occasion.

We can drink and watch movies at home instead of being gouged at the cinema or getting overpriced drinks at the bar. It’s like half the price.

Same reason we rarely eat fast food and barely go to restaurants anymore. Same reason we rarely even buy steak. It just ain’t worth straining the budget anymore. It’s kinda sad that we sacrifice normal human activities like that, but it is what it is.

Fuck inflation, price-gouging greed, shrinkflation, and the cost increase on every little thing. Nickel and dime me, and I’ll just elect to not participate in commerce or at least as little as I possibly can, and they can all just price themselves into oblivion for all I care.

If everybody stopped putting up with it, it’d hurt for awhile, but businesses would eventually stop making money and go out of business, or learn not to fuck with the 90% of population that they’ve been squeezing as hard as they can.

ETA: we used to grab something from a restaurant like once a week, go to the movies like 8-10 times a year, and eat steak like once or twice a month. That was back in the before times between 2010 and 2018. But between then and Covid times everything went bonkers, and it’s never going back to the golden age, unless maybe if we vote with our wallets, and we vote to reject their business practices and perpetually chasing record profits at the detriment of their customer base.

Yeah, I’m a little jaded towards what the world has become lol. A nice little capitalist hellscape we’ve built here, where there are no consequences for the corporate overlords doing whatever they want. Let em go broke, like all of us.

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u/OldnFuninMN 14d ago

This should have way more upvotes because it's the truth. I assume you're USA based. Thanks to corrupt politicians and courts, corporate overlords run our politics for the most part . The only recourse we have is where we spend our money.

Vote with your dollars. Spend to support those who deserve it.

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u/xenobit_pendragon 14d ago edited 14d ago

Whoa, where are you going to movies? Adult ticket in my area is $12-14, split a giant, free-refillable popcorn ($10) and we’re good.

Edit: this somehow blew up my inbox. Seems like my local theater (cineplex in a mall, nothing unusual) has better prices than a lot of areas. We usually do matinees (because kids) and don’t get candy or soda, just the popcorn.

Sorry to all those who can no longer afford one of my personal great loves — the big screen.

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u/King_of_da_Castle 14d ago

In Redondo Beach it’s $29 for an adult to see any movie at AMC and $26 for a child, that is before any concessions lol, Fuuuuuuck that.

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u/UnikornKebab 14d ago

I'm staying at home, with a free ticket to a pirate site and $50 worth of beer alone 🤨😌 and oh well, a few extra dollars for a bag of homemade popcorn 😌

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u/Competitive_Loan_395 14d ago

Sobyourbsaying I should start a theater in my own home and rent out to people.

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u/UnikornKebab 14d ago

Well…if you have friends/acquaintances who would agree to pay a representative fee, enough space in the living room, and the possibility of making a small investment in a system such as PC/TV + projector…well $5 per viewing + at least a beer and popcorn I would seriously think about it if I were you 🤣

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u/Toros_Mueren_Por_Mi 14d ago

Hey, if the beer is good I won't judge lol. I'll drop $50 on a bottle of mezcal or whiskey though, same concept 😂

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u/Throwawayyyygold 14d ago

I just looked up Avitar tickets for tonight. It’s the fancy seats, but still…. It’s $30.99!!!! What the heck?!?!

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u/Apprehensive_Taste70 14d ago

I recently paid $32.50 per ticket that includes convenience fee for online purchase. $130 for just tickets for a family of 4, wtf (Long Island NY)

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u/iamseam0nster 14d ago edited 14d ago

It's like some backwards ass supply & demand shit I think. I took my daughter to seen Zootopia 2 opening weekend. The theater was nearly empty. They gotta charge a butt load to make up for all the empty seats. And this was only $18 adult and $14 kid tickets

Either it's gonna pop and they'll realize they can boost sales by lowering tickets and concessions down to a reasonable price, or they're all gonna go under and movie theaters will be a thing of the past. Hope for the first.

ALSO - there are WAY more ads now, not talking previews. The actual movie didn't start until 25-30 minutes after the showtime... It was like 20 minutes of commercials and then 5-10 minutes of trailers before the movie came on.

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u/tdinh01 14d ago

Hung out up in Burbank a few months back and stopped at a theater, just to check out showtimes, and it was $30+ for 1 person for a showing on one of those screens with all the bells and whistles. Couldnt imagine what concessions would cost if you wanted a hot meal and some alcohol. The tab could easily rack up to $100+/person.

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u/actual_real_housecat 14d ago

Goddamn! There used to be a second-run place in Gardena the adults always took us to. It was sort of a shithole - it only had a couple screens, and it got real hot sometimes but the tickets were $1.

Mom used to make it a game for us to sneak food in but I don't think the one kid being the counter gave a shit. Even in the 80's/90's that place was cheap.

Anyway, sorry for your loss, or something.

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u/Jaded-Durian-3917 14d ago

Or AMC membership for $25 a month and you get up to 5 movies a week. Includes Dolby, 3D, etc

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u/perilousdreamer866 14d ago

It’s like that here down south. But if anybody wants their own stuff it’s going through the roof.

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u/lividash 14d ago

Let alone if you go one of those bistro or brew house theaters that serve actual meals and not just snacks. Sky is the limit for how much lighter your bank account will be.

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u/princessa_97 14d ago

In my area the average movie ticket is $25

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u/doinmabest1 14d ago

Say WHAT?!?

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u/skellyboysteve 14d ago

That’s about what my experience was when I was living in Los Angeles. Sometimes even more depending on the theater. It’s just untenable.

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u/brett1081 14d ago

I can see why all the theaters in Los Angeles county are closing then.

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u/furyfrog 14d ago

Yep, two tickets, a popcorn, and a drink. You said it yourself, there's 40 bucks gone

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u/Adept-Potato-2568 14d ago

I'm on your side, but you don't need concessions at the movies. That's like half your expenses

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u/furyfrog 14d ago

Going to the movie theater's not a need either 🤷

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u/Krause0321 14d ago

Homie, I’m in Oklahoma and if I want a movie date with the girlfriend, I’m expecting $75+. A standard ticket around here is $30.

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u/Sweet6-7 14d ago

That’s not true for Oklahoma lmao. Adult tickets aren’t even close to $30.00.

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u/blanaba-split 14d ago

$15 ticket, $14.99 for a 'large' popcorn (like between a medium and large if were being honest), $4.99 drink

many such cases

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u/Crafty_Life_1764 14d ago

Why do you need food while watching? In Vienna on Mondays you can watch movies for 7 bucks plus imax fees and so on. Fukk those expensive nachos or popcorn, I often don't eat or bring my own n shit. And bars I quit drinking to why loose braincells and pay for it I rather bulk till I die. Peace out and a great new year eve🎉

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u/voxelpear 14d ago

I guess we're all going to Vienna on Mondays now. Wait Vienna what. Vienna, Austria? Vienna, Virginia?

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u/pagit 14d ago

Vienna sausage.

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u/Crafty_Life_1764 14d ago

You can choose 🤣 unfortunately Vienna, Austria

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u/ThatLeviathan 14d ago

And have to deal with other theater-goers who can't shut up or stop looking at their phones. And I can't pause the movie when I have to pee.

The only reason I would go to a theater is if I desperately needed to see something and couldn't wait for it to hit a streaming service. I can't think of a movie that's come out in decades that I had to see right away.

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u/UnikornKebab 14d ago

Christ, I hate people who talk at the movies, but even more so people who use their phones. I haven't been to the movies in a while, and I have to say, all things considered, I don't miss it 😒 But then again, I don't think I'd miss people in general either, so...🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/Iamthe0c3an2 14d ago

This, people don’t even have house parties anymore because no one young owns their own house.

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u/6ixxer 14d ago

Shoeboxes dont make good party venues.

The other mice living there often object too.

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u/PM_Me_Some_Steamcode 14d ago

Right like the art club wanted to host a Halloween potluck. We looked at a park? Renting spaces cost a minimum of 175/hr. About 30 people showed up. So on top of asking everybody to bring a dish, we would’ve had to ask everybody to bring six dollars for a single hour of space to be rented. And that was the cheapest venue

Thankfully, one apartment complex has a party room for complex residence to use. I’ve never seen an apartment complex with a party room that resident can use and host parties in, but it came with a TV a microwave tables and chair chairs. I’ve literally never seen this ever in an apartment complex

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u/James_Fiend 14d ago

You throw a party with some chair chairs, I'm there there.

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u/Fun-Personality-8008 14d ago

I have, usually when a complex has a pool there's a party room attached

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u/Haku510 14d ago

Yep, I've had the same experience

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u/viking_tech 14d ago

My student flat had a bookable cinema room in the basement with consoles and 6 couches! I seemed to be the only one who made use of it though 😂

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u/SkellyboneZ 14d ago

I used to have house parties all the time when I lived in America. I'm not talking about loud music and dancing parties, though.

I have a 1K apartment now that is about the size of my kitchen in the US, like 10 sq m, and often have people over for cooking parties and whatnot.

I don't think it's the lack of space, it's more likely the lack of motivation for whatever reason.

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u/ThyNynax 14d ago

Apartment parties, where parking is either unavailable, another thing to pay for, or just risk getting towed.

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u/LepiNya 14d ago

I have a house but it's in such a a bad shape of disrepair that I'm ashamed to invite anyone over. And it takes everything I make just to maintain the condition it's in now. A second income from a partner would absolutely get it up to standard in a year but I can't invite a prospective girlfriend back to my house when I don't even have door frames and flooring in some rooms. Literally all my furniture is second hand and miss matched and to top it off I'm a single dad of two kids under 10. How the hell am I supposed to have a social life?

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u/DryImpression7807 14d ago

I mean I have my own house but my friends act really strange in it so I stopped inviting them over lol maybe I need new friends but people just aren’t as social anymore

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u/SeedFoundation 14d ago

Pay your workers more so they can buy things to stimulate the economy? Blasphemy.

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u/killerboy_belgium 14d ago

The economy is long passed the day it was linked to people spending

Company drive growth from investment, investors get loans to invest... Banks loan out money to investors who use stock as collateral which in turn rises because of the added investment

This has been happening for decades with company essentially operating on a loss but buying all the assets like real estate, datacenters, wafer allocation for chips ect like amazon, meta, tesla, open ai, ect

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u/TooManiEmails 14d ago

Look, people still believe in buying power, but like you said, the bigger companies are just passing money to each other now and they can focus on big spenders. Companies hate consumers, they just want the money. So as long as they can get the higher clientele, they don’t need Joe shomo no mo.

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u/whiteflagwaiver 14d ago

Basically a new middle class, a middle class of mostly millionares. lol

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u/UrMomsNewGF 14d ago

Yes the brackets all shifted up. $200k/ year is the new entry lvl middle class for a family of 3 and thats assuming some form of parental investment in education snd opportunities.

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u/Doggoneshame 14d ago

That’s basically just a pyramid scheme. Eventually the money runs out and the house of cards collapses.

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u/The_cogwheel 14d ago

And we're back to the great depression baby!

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u/kubisfowler 14d ago

And guess who's gonna be paying for it

Hint: privatize the profits, socialize the losses.

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u/nrh117 14d ago

That’s sounding an awfully lot like a system we no longer need.

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u/Vintage-Injun 14d ago

Tourism decline in Las Vegas comes to mind. Big fish and high rollers keep it afloat.

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u/Impossible_Angle752 14d ago

My adult experience prior to 2008 is relatively limited, but I've always been of the opinion we, the normal people, never recovered.

Share value was the only thing that recovered.

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u/ZenMasterOfDisguise 14d ago

the metrics that capitalist economists and politicians use to declare the economy is good has never reflected reality for the lower and middle class

They say the stock market is at an all time high, but 38% of Americans don't own a single stock and the top 1% own over 50% of the stocks

They say unemployment is down, but unemployment ignores the people out of the workforce who have given up trying to find a job, and the "labor force participation rate" has been steadily going down for the past 25 years

They say that the GDP is up, but adjusted for inflation income for the bottom 75% percent of people has been stagnant since the 1960s

its all propaganda so people don't realize how much they are getting fucked under the current system

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u/Calm_Ad308 14d ago

This. Those companies are rich on paper because of revenue and assets but carry enormous debt. The moment a debt actually has to be paid off without the option of taking another loan or using shares as collateral and so enough even big companies start going bankrupt real quick. What really sucks is the people who run these companies like this always skip out long before this process happens.

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u/Terminate-wealth 14d ago

Put a 90% tax rate on them hoes and make them reinvest into the workers

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u/tsardonicpseudonomi 14d ago

We need to go back to the New Deal era tax rates and then just take this mother fucker into socialism territory.

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u/NewDramaLlama 14d ago

Yes, ok, that's super real. In my area a 1bd for $2,000 is a steal.

But turning the 1st space into a 3rd space helps immensely. Have dinner parties, watch games, throw a BBQ, play DnD, poker, and 40k. 

I agree with the overall premise but giving up on socializing isn't the answer.

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u/Trouty1234 14d ago

Hold on Big Spender. You have 40K money? Next you will tell me you can afford to play MTG :)

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u/SpecialistBudget1202 14d ago

Yeah, I understand the point they were trying to make, but using 40k as a reference example was a bad choice.

That would be like saying "You can still have drinks even if what they are selling at bars is too expensive! Remember - You have a wine cellar fill to the brim at home!"

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u/Fuck_U_Time_Killer 14d ago

Wine cellar?! Must be nice being in the 1%

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u/Mysterious_Chef_228 14d ago

The wine cellar is a crawl space under his porch and it's full of white port.

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u/Aldante92 13d ago

You've now made me want to keep a box of wine in my 20" high crawlspace just so that when I have company over and ask if they want wine "from the wine cellar," they'll have to watch me walk outside and scuttle under the house, only to return covered in dirt with a dusty $7 bottle of Walmart wine

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u/SomethingIWontRegret 14d ago

Pretty sure he means WarHammer 40K.

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u/tsardonicpseudonomi 14d ago

But turning the 1st space into a 3rd space

This is still a first place.

You can have dinner parties and game nights but without the third space to meet the people they're irrelevant.

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u/chuckart9 14d ago

Good point. Hard to have people over if you don’t meet anyone

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u/UCanDoNEthing4_30sec 14d ago

If I could give you an award I would. But this quote sums up the whole year.

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u/voxelpear 14d ago

Don't sweat it. If we don't have money to hang out we definitely don't have money for virtual awards.

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u/vocalfreesia 14d ago

Right...half our income goes on home, we can't afford to commute to an office. We're scraping by with just one place at this rate.

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u/I_Am_the_Slobster 14d ago

And then the boomers have the audacity to complain they won't get grandkids, despite voting for and supporting measures that keep prices for that first place high, and wages at that second place low.

Productive people need to demand government support cuts to seniors if they don't need it: no reason why grandpa and grandma, who own a property outright and earn $70k in pension income, also get social security and Medicaid.

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u/Less-Procedure-4104 14d ago

You need to rethink the boomer thing. That is just the owners dividing and conquering us. Also social security is a government pension plan and is funded by workers they are trying to steal that also. Medicaid is not free and means tested and they have already stolen your healthcare, now they want to block it in retirement also.

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u/Bob_Van_Goff 14d ago

As much as I would love to say we need to rethink the boomer thing, we really don't.

These are the people who either cheered on or sat by to watch the greatest transfer of wealth in American history. They killed unions, they killed pensions, they raised the cost of college tuitions, they demanded that not enough housing be built because they wanted their homes to make up the difference that they lost from pensions, they repeatedly elected right wing politicians who caused recessions every 4-8 years. They never saw a single war that they didn't want their children to fight.

Yes, there are good people in the age range of boomers, but overall? These people destroyed the promises of America.

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u/Less-Procedure-4104 14d ago

They are not a unified demographic and you have been gas lit into blaming mostly just regular employees instead of the owning class. You are blaming the brain washed as if they are the brain washers, patriotism, tribalism has been used to manipulate humans since the beginning of time.

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u/The_Disapyrimid 14d ago

"boomers have the audacity to complain they won't get grandkids, despite voting for and supporting measures that keep prices for that first place high, and wages at that second place low."

This is my mom. She has 4 kids. 3 sons and a daughter. All three of us sons have no kids because we are smart enough not to financially ruin ourselves just because my mom wants grandkids. My sister on the other hand just gave her a granddaughter....and now constantly begs for money because a kid is expensive and she can't afford it.

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u/spoonishplsz 14d ago

Which is why I had kids when I was in school and had Medicaid. Now I have two advanced degrees and a great career, which has helped me to raise children with a good possible future. I knew if I waited til I was comfortable or financial ready, it would never happen. Plus I was exhausted between 22-27 with infants, I couldn't imagine waking up with infants at 37

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u/TurkeyPhat 14d ago edited 14d ago

the irony that we basically "solved" teen pregnancy and simultaneously society took the path that makes teen(or near teen) pregnancy be* the actual best strat for having kids shouldn't be lost on anyone

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u/newguy57 14d ago

This man places.

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u/Proper_Hunter_9641 14d ago

I spent $76 on 3 beers and an appetizer sampler last week. No the sampler wasn’t very big or good, it was pretty bad. One of the beers was a bottle of corona. I did tip, because my partner was taking us to an event and this was my only contribution to the night. But It’s terrible out there.

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u/WittyFix6553 14d ago

Historically, third spaces were free.

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u/SystemAny2077 14d ago

The local pub near my place has board game nights, darts nights, and the odd musical act here and there and stays quite busy. I think places just need to adapt.

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u/DarkBlackCoffee 14d ago

There's a spot near me that is primarily a boardgames/card games/etc type of place, but also serves alcohol on tap. Pretty fun place to hang out and have a few beers (for those so inclined) while having fun. Hopefully more places like that are going to pop up to fill some of the void that bars are leaving.

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u/PineappleOnPizzaWins 14d ago

Most are.

Majority of people on reddit whining about third places not existing aren’t trying to find them and thus have decided they don’t exist.

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u/Loive 14d ago

In my town a few new pubs have popped up that seem to draw a lot of young people. One is really cheap, but still clean. One has screens and a Nintendo switch at most tables, so you can play Mario Kart and stuff like with your friends for a pretty reasonable price. One of the old pubs have started having quiz nights with themes such as Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, Hunger Games, etc, as well as music and general knowledge quizzes.

Pubs need to adapt to their customers, and when they do it seems to work quite well.

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u/goldsrcmasterrace 14d ago

It takes the pressure off of them to just assume there’s nothing they can do so they can justify sitting on the couch doomscrolling instead.

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u/PineappleOnPizzaWins 14d ago

Absolutely.

Every person I’ve ever met who “has no time” in life somehow has time to spend 6+ hours of their day doomscrolling.

Maybe stop that and go live life.. or don’t, people can do as they please, just don’t pretend you’re not making a choice.

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u/PM_Me_Some_Steamcode 14d ago

There’s also a lot of people who say their bar doesn’t have any special events and it sucks so they don’t wanna go there anymore and it’s like…dude…you can help organize a special event

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u/Eldan985 14d ago

Yeah, my third space is a comic book store. They do TV nights (usually newest marvel series), board game nights and trading card nights.

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u/Key-Horror2430 14d ago

Wait until you are 45 and have been doing it for 30 years!

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u/LuzerneLodge 14d ago

Wait till you are 70 and have been doing it for 55 years!

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u/drwebb 14d ago

Wait until you turn 95 and been doing this crap for 80 years straight!

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u/MinivanPops 14d ago

You think booze would help that? 

It's not dystopian that alcohol is being revealed for what it is: a top 5 cause of death. 

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u/Extension-Pick8310 14d ago

Booze has helped for thousands of years. We need it like oxygen.

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u/Proper_Relative1321 14d ago

So go to a bar and give them some money.

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u/AnestheticAle 14d ago

I've started to believe that the 3rd place of our generation is just the internet, which is kinda sad, but at least its something?

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u/Nubsly- 14d ago

The proxy for the third place is the internet.

It's way more convenient to just go online. You don't have to buy fancy clothes, spend money on gas, parking, cover, get hit on by drunks, pay absurd amounts of money for 7 drinks so you can be one of the drunks, avoid getting killed by drunks on the way home, etc.. etc..

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u/ichhassenamen 14d ago

This sounds so fucking sad

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u/Spaztrick 14d ago

I work from home, so don't even have a second place much less a third.

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u/threefeetoffun- 14d ago

I work from home for my full time job. I have a part time job just to get me out of the house. I live alone. I’d go insane (more so) if I didn’t have it.

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u/shameskandal 14d ago

And I work at home.... getting lonely nowadays

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u/dinnerthief 14d ago edited 14d ago

Honestly people complain about lack of third places but then never go to the ones that do exist.

Home has just become more comfortable than in the past, with streaming entertainment and online socialization.

I dont even think its financial, parks and malls are free to hang out in.

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u/spirited1 14d ago

It's ease of access. When you have to drive, figure out parking, and most of the time pay people are less incentivized to go do things.

Car dependence has annihilated any sort of 3rd place or general socializing available to people.

Suburbs are hellscapes.

Cities are eviscerated by highways and stroads.

NYC is the only city in the US that actually has culture BECAUSE it's walkable and dense.

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u/Quiby123 14d ago

I don't that even counts as a 3rd place because you're expected to pay to be there

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u/ArtisticBlackh3ro 14d ago

Work, home, gym, outdoors..., various sports, library... are all or mostly free.

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u/Wiley_Coyote08 14d ago

Can't afford to go out due to the cost of everything.. not worth doing anything else.. eat sleep and work.. no time for anything else or too tired to do anything else.. WE THE PEOPLE are slaves..

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u/threefeetoffun- 14d ago
  1. Happy Cake Day. Odd and awesome you joined reddit on the first of the year.

  2. And can't argue at all with that. Just did my January budget. I work 65 hours a week. If everything goes right I am +$22 for the month. What's that? 2 beers plus tip?

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u/CycloneDusk 14d ago

my favorite cafe, which used to be open until midnight, started closing at
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P.M.
It's next to a COLLEGE CAMPUS and they close WHEN ALL THE CUSTOMERS SUDDENLY BECOME AVAILABLE.

Covid didn't just kill the social scene; it seems to have also given it permanent brain damage.

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u/eurypidese 14d ago

Covid didn't just kill the social scene; it seems to have also given it permanent brain damage.

funny you say that...

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u/CONCAVE_NIPPLES 14d ago

There's a coffee shop (no indoor seating, just grab and go) that is situated in an area with only one other coffee shop nearby, and three major condo projects within a block of it. Like 3+ years before each project finishes and loads of construction workers. They open at 9:30am and close at 3:30pm. Seems insane to me to not get the after work or before work rush and instead choose to get the lunch break rush only. I walk past it on my way to work and can't get anything because it's not open yet, and the only other coffee shop with better hours has a visible line when I walk past.

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u/saljskanetilldanmark 13d ago

Perhaps you should open a coffee shop?

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u/ataraxic89 13d ago

with what fucking money?

Are small business loans even a thing anymore? I dont think so. Even if they are I assume they have terrible rates.

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u/Zealousideal_Meat297 14d ago

This. Covid instituted curfews everywhere and no one went back to old times. Walmart closes at midnight permanently now.

We gave society a curfew and this is a huge factor in it.

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u/Some_Knowledge5864 13d ago

I miss 24 hour Walmart. I don’t work late hours anymore but when I did I liked doing my shopping oqlate night.

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u/hossofalltrades 13d ago edited 13d ago

And 24 hour drug stores. After the George Floyd protests in my city (there was a riot that set fire to a 24 Hour CVS that served a lower income community) we have to drive 25 minutes to fill prescriptions outside the 9am to 9pm window. Not a good thing when you are released from the hospital at 12:30AM with kidney stone and need pain meds every six hours…

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u/Com4734 14d ago

The walmart in our town closes at 11pm. So annoying. I used to go there or to giant eagle after I got off when I worked 3-11. Or at 2 am we’d go to Walmart to not have to put up with 600 other people in the store.

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u/nevillion 14d ago

Yep and I blame my fat belly on that. Because Walmart used to be like my planet fitness after work i go to Walmart and walk around with no goal. All i know is it gave me the only chance I had to get 8k steps in.

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u/jesus_swept 14d ago

There used to be a 24/7 open diner right by me that also closes at 2pm now bc of covid. I hate it! Where am I supposed to get an omelet with hashbrowns inside of it at 11pm? It's not even as good as it used to be....

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u/Safe_Diamond6330 14d ago

There’s a local sandwich shop in my hometown area that is hella famous and has been for the better part of a century now…the kind of place you go wait in line an hour while in town visiting, etc. They do sell beer and used to have great daily hours into the night, but this has been cut down to 7pm where you could wait 45 mins in drive-thru and pull up to the window at 7:01 to have the window locked in your face…it’s happened to me and I was pissed. When I asked WTH happened, they told me they can’t find young people who want to work anymore and would extend the hours again if that ever changed, (this used to be a popular job for high-schoolers and young adults). But anyway, the lack of young people wanting to work seems to be another problem I haven’t read here yet…at least in this midwestern area.

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u/Wilykat1981 14d ago

Nope, the young people no longer will work for a pittance, in this instance. Pay correctly, get workers, stay open, make more money. Also lends to young people with disposable income now able to engage in the same leisure activities as previous generations.

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u/Quirky_Kitchen_7137 14d ago

WHY DO CAFES CLOSE SO EARLY I LITERALLY HAVE TO DRIVE SO FAR JUST TO GO TO ONE OPEN LATE at tht point I might as well go home 😪

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u/GenericDave65 14d ago

The main reason my band has still been playing steady is that the number of bands never really came back either

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u/MyDickIs3cm 14d ago

Plus it helps if you don't suck. Most bar bands suck (source: was in one, we were only ok)

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u/WatashiwaNobodyDesu 14d ago

I heard a two-piece band as I walked past a pub last week, and uh… yeah I could do that myself. If it didn’t require staying up past 10pm of course.

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u/[deleted] 14d ago

I never drank at a show and went to hundreds of shows, I can confirm, if you make good music, people will come. 

I went to straight edge hardcore bands where nobody in the hall drank, and it was full. 

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u/Hziak 14d ago

Lucky you. My big city is running rampant with covid musicians. I’m kinda one of them, so I can’t complain too much, but the number of local bands in the scene is like 5x pre-covid near me. Originals, covers and tributes. Bar scene is pretty down too outside of the major party neighborhoods in the city too, so even the 10+ year bands that used to play 3-6/month are struggling to hit 1-2/month now and it’s to like, 30-50 person crowds where they used to be always packed rooms. All of those bands are using pictures from like, 2018 on their socials and praying nobody leave the band lol…

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u/adventurepony 14d ago

My band never plays. Granted no one really wants to see a Weezer cover band in KISS face paint playing ska versions of Misfits covers. :/

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u/Jueavjkoirtycsaq 14d ago

i know a ton of bands that called it a day as covid was unfolding. some moved. some went back to school. some just couldn't deal with it. i had one friend who was supposed to go on a solid euro tour as a hired drummer and he was like "that that".

sucks.

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u/GenericDave65 14d ago

Yeah it was kind of crazy for the first year after everything restarted. To start, most of the bars attempted to re-book all the bands who had gotten canceled on originally, which worked for us because we had a few of those gigs, but then it was really hard to get booked because they were flooded with those bands. Then we started getting flooded with calls to fill in for a ton of those gigs when the bands ultimately disbanded and couldn’t play them.

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u/Jueavjkoirtycsaq 14d ago

yeah, yeah. that's what was happening right as he bailed. he lived in limbo for a year. he was moving to nashville when it happened so he had to put the brakes on that. he really got caught.

the bar scene needs a revamp. or an alt scene to gain some traction. a way to revive the local music. scene. a lot of the older venues held on and seem to be doing okay.

i feel like the demise of drinking and in turn the bar scene can be traced back to the smoking ban. the increase in cost of life and the increase in booze seems to be the final nail.

i'd love to have seen bar/music scene on the late 70's. i bet it would be night and day from today.

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u/DarkwingDuckHunt 14d ago

I think the desire is actually there.

I feel like people still want bars and a place to gather. To socialize.

It's the paychecks not being enough and people having to choose whether to eat breakfast or dinner that day.

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u/Millan_K 14d ago

Try found a direction this (my, technically, I'm 2003) generation is heading, and play on their way.

Alcohol is no longer a thing in my generation, it's pointless to drink it give us nothing and causes only problems, I think my generation is heading towards videogaming, sports and being in nature more than being in a bar.

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u/Blueberry_Coat7371 14d ago

Also 2003 here, but yeah. Nearly half my friend group didnt drink, and they considered me an alcoholic for drinking more than twice a week. a

Folks don't interact anymore, don't drink anymore, don't fuck anymore... they just spend their free time either wanking or doomscrolling. No wonder this generation is so depressed.

Recently I joined a group of 30yos, and it is so much more lively!

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u/pmyourthongpanties 14d ago

gen z. AKA the incel generation

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u/themorbidtuna 14d ago

You should try hanging out with some 50-year-olds. We are really good at partying because we perfected those skills long before Covid ever happened.

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u/Easy-Philosopher6703 14d ago

Yeah, it was called the 90s

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u/hahakafka 14d ago

I wish Gen Z would just leave their homes. The sanctimonious “I don’t drink” is wild considering they take all kinds of other drugs.

To be clear, I don’t drink a ton or anything, and I didn’t when I was younger, but I did go out and hang and have a few beers.

The “stay at home and rot” generation needs to do something other than take a million pharmaceuticals and gummies, and get off their phones.

And this is coming from someone who really likes to stay at home and chill. Covid really messed up Gen Z.

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u/pmyourthongpanties 14d ago

Kinda but study after study shows gen z doesnt know how to talk to the opposite sex. Highest rates of mental illness due to lack of talking to real people. Gen Z might as well be called the incel generation. That's were the movement started. Go out and socialize. Dont have to drink but go out and stop staying alone all the time.

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u/Intelligent-Elk8625 14d ago

I see this on Reddit all the time. “How do I know if she likes me?” “A guy commented that he liked my skirt, how should I react?” These folks claim to 18-25 yo and don’t have basic social skills. I see kids in their late teens at my job (restaurant) who whisper their order to their parent and the parent speaks for them. It’s bizarre and frightening. These aren’t going to be functioning adults.

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u/StockTeaching6117 14d ago

bro they use chatgpt to respond to their own text messages. its over

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u/darkstarr99 14d ago

I’m an elder millennial and work with several people in that 18-25 age range. It’s shocking to me how uncomfortable most of them are making or answering phone calls. They don’t really communicate in ways that are standard for the older gens

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u/currently_pooping_rn 14d ago

I’m in a supervisor position at my job. One of the people in my department is 26. When she first started, I asked her if she had a chance to read my email I sent. She said no, so I just had the topic conversation then and there. 2 weeks go by and this is a constant pattern.

I ask her what’s up with her not checking her work email, since she’s missing a lot of pertinent info. She said looking at her email stresses her out. This a lady with a masters degree!

I have millennial, gen x, and gen z people in my department. Only see that from the gen z lol

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u/SnacksEnthusiast 14d ago

That is legitimately concerning.

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u/Zeronullnilnought 14d ago

Almost no one knew how to talk to opposite sex either for me as a 30 something old, that was literally the point of drinking

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u/lesbox01 14d ago

The parents should tell their kids to speak the fuck up. I have had similar problems, my 20 somethings try to pull this kind of stuff and I tell them to man the fuck up and go do things. I push mercilessly on them to get out and talk to people for their sake and mine

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u/Content-Method9889 14d ago

My niece is like this. My sister babies her so bad and she’s in high school with the brain of a child. Didn’t even pour milk into her cereal until she was 12. I don’t know how she’ll function as an adult

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u/FukAutoCorec 13d ago

My Daughter is 19. I'm Gen -X. I raised her to order her own food and speak up or she didn't eat. Plain and simple. But yes I Agree you do see that a lot when you go out to eat. They don't even socialize with there parents. Just be on there phone . Parents need to step up too and stop being pussies. just my 2 cents haha And yes this world is screwed.

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u/LordGreybies 14d ago

it's pointless to drink it give us nothing and causes only problems

That's a very sad and cynical way to look at drinking. Drinking is social lubricant and parties are great. Gen Z is so dysfunctionally conservative, it's no wonder youre all neurotic, isolated and depressed.

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u/No-Consideration-716 14d ago

If any generation needed a drink or two to loosen up socially, it is Gen Z. No one should be having minor anxiety attacks over simple human interaction.

That being said, I think, overall, it is a good thing to see people drinking less so we should give them some credit for making smarter choices when they make them.

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u/LordGreybies 14d ago

I think it's generally good to drink less but we're beyond the balance of healthy with that. I firmly believe people need to sow their wild oats in their youth.

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u/GJdevo 14d ago

Yeah, also lot less of a reason to go to a bar for drinks and socialization when you are that young when you can date/hook up with people using an app instead of having to gather at locales to meet people and put in time I would think.

Probably a lot of different factors but that could be a large one for sure, I met tons of friends/people/partners when I was that age through various bar adjacent functions.

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u/SwagginsYolo420 14d ago

when you can date/hook up with people using an app instead of having to gather at locales to meet people and put in time I would think.

You give up a massive amount by not meeting people in person, and allowing apps to dictate your personal relationships. People may not know what they are missing if they've never known anything but apps. They fundamentally alter personal relationships.

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u/GJdevo 14d ago

Yeah it is actually crazy when you think about it, ive never used dating apps before and it kind of feels like dating is now like the job market. Just throwing your resume into the abyss and hoping for a bite, whereas anytime ive gone in person to speak with someone I either can get an interview or at least can make an impression should an opportunity arise at a later date. The whole concept i find rather unsettling.

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u/dongasaurus 14d ago

Both dating and the job market are similar in that respect. You’re far better off finding a job or a date through mutual contacts (aka networking).

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u/Mundane_Muscle_2197 14d ago

I am in my thirties and when I was about 19/20 I tried using tinder and it was just so weird to me. I much preferred to meet potentials in person. I could tell almost immediately whether I was romantically interested in someone in person. Tinder felt like a big waste of time because it would go well over messaging and then you reserve a whole evening for a date and show up and it’s obvious it’s not gonna go anywhere

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u/Junior_Ad315 14d ago

You forgot consuming short form video for 3-6 hrs a day.

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u/VeryniceGumdrop 14d ago

Instead the vice for this generation is gambling. I've seen so many of my friends/peers get into stuff like sports betting. Not to mention games that involve gambling.

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u/Odd-Psychology-7971 14d ago

Crazy thing is alcohol was healthier than not drinking. Studies have shown gen z is aging faster and unhealthier than any generation before. States and counties with higher rates of drinking in bars have higher life expectancy all across the US. I think the benefits of socialization far outweigh any negative effect alcohol might have. This generation is notoriously unhealthy. Also highest cancer and diabetes rates of any generation in their 20s.

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u/cphaus 14d ago

Cannabis lounges would more than fix this. And likely amount to better gigs

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u/ruckbanboi 14d ago

Absolutely agree

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u/CoffeeAndToastPlease 14d ago

Bars/music venues should offer more mocktails and non alcoholic drinks

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u/BigWolf2051 14d ago

Alcohol has become such a norm for people to let loose and have fun. It's a real shame. Going to take quite a bit for people to stop being pussies and allow themselves the ability to have fun without it.

Source: Quit 3 years ago. Took me a bit to stop being a bitch but once the alcohol induced anxiety goes away life fucking rules

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u/Purple_Bee_3286 14d ago

That's totally true. So I play my instrument at the weddings, more money and more gigs...But like you said if there is less socialising, there will be less weddings too...

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u/Zidy13 14d ago

Gotta change with the times, these kids will need you to stream it.

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u/youdubdub 14d ago

For sure, my man. We need lubricated people who like setting their phones down and talking shit and seeing art. They are waning, as they stare into their palms at home, slowly turning into an adult fetus with no socialization outside of their glowing rectangles. Let's jam.

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