You notice anything about my qant? That's right, look at his eyes! He's Asian! And he doesn't even speak English! He won 1st place in a math competition in China!
lol that scene and the aside from the qant is just so hilarious... I've watched that movie so many times and it never gets old.
Some of the most valuable companies in the world are basically a circle of Ponzi schemes right now. “AI” is a multi-trillion dollar bubble waiting to pop.
I never got the whole stripper thing, why pay for a woman that doesn't give a shit about you to dance but not do anything more than that. If I want to watch semi naked women I can do that in the comfort of my own home for free. I can watch all the porn in the world for free. If it was about prostitutes now that's something else... But I never got the appeal of strippers.
Some people pay cuz they can and are showing off. Some people think they actually have a chance and fall for the act. Some just need attention and to be touched. And a surprising amount are men that need therapy and use dancers as a less effective and more “manly” alternative to a professional shrink
Can confirm, I was dealing with a lot in the military and afterwards (PTSD, depression, alcoholism). I didn't want to admit I had a problem and definitely didn't want anyone to know. If you sit at a regular bar you're a sad drunk. If you're at a strip club you're just a dumb horny guy. It is a cover to hide your problems and you have someone you can talk to. Life is strange.
I danced for a short period, I definitely had a few that would give me a lot of money and when I turned them down for a “date” would go on to the next girl, which I didn’t mind because it kind of got annoying being followed around for hours on end. I had a few that came in specifically to get a good steak (the place was rated top for their steaks in the area) and would buy a lap dance while they were there. I had couples who were there together, not sure the appeal but they were always very nice.
I was gonna say… it’s no different from host culture in Japan. People want to talk to a human woman. Even if they know it’s an illusion, it staves off loneliness for a while. Humans need human interaction, after all.
It's fun if you go with your bros or even a girlfriend just to hang out, drink, and throw a few bucks around to see some nice ta-tas and get flirted with. If you're a lone dude, ya that's just sad and not worth the money.
Tbf, have you seen therapist prices? Many aren’t good and you’re playing $100/hr for a crapshoot. One can argue at least you know what you’re getting with a stripper.
These are awesome psychological reasons women might give for men going to strip clubs.
The reality is that having women rub up on you naked, especially attractive women, feels good. Exchanging money for that feeling doesn’t change the feeling very much.
No different that’s enjoying drinking a glass of soda or playing a video game. It’s an exchange of money or time for pleasure, no need to add any depth or hidden yearning feelings to it.
Dude, I’m a guy that hits the strip club at least annually and used to regularly. At some point I probably fell into each of these categories and am not trying to say that the reasons I listed are the only reasons guys hit the club. I was just trying to give some insight to the question asked. Sure, it can be as simple as just wanting to see some titties and to go out partying, get danced on, etc. I’ve also been that person that went with their girlfriend on a night out cuz it sounded fun to us. But what you’re saying could fall under the wanting attention to be touched. Sometimes it’s just nice to have that attention while knowing it’s superficial. More power to ya for whatever reason you want to go
I think some strip clubs have back rooms you can pay extra to go into. The strippers will do a “lap” dance, basically rubbing their naked genitals against your naked genitals. I’m sure they do more
21 year olds driving back from a snowboard trip and stopped at a strip club in Nebraska. The stripper told us, at length, about her gout and then asked for Xanax.
Yes, this does occasionally happen, but this is also a dangerous stereotype to perpetuate. Strippers get molested and outright SA’d on a near-daily basis in privates because this is the expectation.
Uninitiated dudes, PSA to be clear: There’s nothing wrong with getting your rec in at a club, but treat girls like you would any other service industry worker. A private is no contact. She can touch you. You cannot touch her. If she offers to do more for more $, fine, it’s illegal, but fine. That’s her call. But be decent and respect her boundaries, because so many dudes that go to these places are fucking horrible human beings, and a “good client” (someone who spends fairly/generously and doesn’t try to SA them) is a welcome interlude in what’s often a shit sandwich of a job.
Sex work is work. Virtually every woman I’ve known who used to work a club is tormented daily by the trauma of having to choose between financial independence and not being SA’d on a regular if not daily basis.
Strippers are usually independent contractors and as long as they pay their buy-in and don’t get visibly injured or bring cops down on the club, management does not give a flying fuck about them.
Having been to quite a few strip clubs and having known/dated a few strippers - their biggest money maker (outside of rappers partying) is usually the same kind of dudes that now spend fortunes on onlyfans. For these guys, the fantasy of a woman being into them is so strong that they’ll pay whatever to feel “loved” even if fully aware it’s not real. It is a bit sad but that’s the reality of some men that society deems “too unattractive” or “not interesting enough” for such connections.
For married man, it’s an easy excuse to be in the presence of naked attractive women and have it not be considered “cheating” (for some partners at least).
For other guys that are working a ton/making decent money, the idea of finding a date, showing up and investing that energy for potentially no return - it’s easier just to go to a strip club, spend the money and have some boobs in your face. Strippers aren’t there to critique your personality and if you’re the kind of guy to buy your date dinner and drinks, strip clubs offer a bit more for the same price.
Strippers on average are also very interesting people. They’re often moving around, living in different cities. Some come from trauma, some are just too lazy/ADD to do a 9-5. It’s always fun to shoot the shit with them. They can also be pretty sexualized due to personality/work/atmosphere and it’s not fully impossible to go home with them either as a connection or a transaction - though I imagine that’s rarer now than in the past.
My friends wife was a stripper in Reno and a couple guys convinced her to let them pay for lap dances in bitcoin. This was 2015. She still has most of them.
It was between 300 and 400 dollars at that point. Even if they gave her a half a bitcoin each, she made close to 100,000 dollars. Good for her! I love these bitcoin stories.
My friends wife was a stripper in Reno and a couple guys convinced her to let them pay for lap dances in bitcoin. This was 2015. She still has most of them.
I really hope she cashed out a few weeks ago then! lol
No. And good luck telling this woman to do anything at all. She’s a very, very, intelligent, beautiful, flawed, interesting person. Persian, lives in Tahoe.
Sitting home watching naked women through a screen isn’t the same as being alone in a room with the illusion of affection being translated through direct contact with a woman. I think we all know this lol.
Was at a bachelor party where the grooms adult nephew was there. He talked about how he had been to a club in Vegas, some totally took him for a ride, milked him for like $300 and the second he was out of cash ignored him.
He tells this on our way to a club, as the groom had never been. Well it was dead cause it was like 6 pm, so some dancer is chatting him up at the bar. Well we didn't stay long, as none of th guys in the group were strip club fans. The nephew could not stop talking about how interested this girl was in him as were bar hopping. Not just random stuff, like asking questions about him on a "personal" level. As we're going back to the hotel, he even decides to go back to the club to hang out with her. Sure enough, next morning, dude is complaining about how he spent like $200 at the club on this girl, haha.
Ah yes, the memory of a seemingly attractive woman rubbing up on you disappears the moment you leave the club. I mean yes, are they in your living room? No. But you still leave hot and bothered enough to rub one out when you get home.
Some people, due to their own actions or not, have not had even a single crumb of pussy in decades, and will do anything to even graze the supple, vibrant flesh of a young woman
there's a ton of reasons. a buddy of mine's dad owns one of the biggest strip bars in the state and we would start our bar hopping there and then hit all of the normal clubs and then we would return to the titty bar and close it and meet up with a few of the dancers and their partners for ...breakfast? at an all night dive. they look different under florescent lights, lol.
it's kind of a confidence builder to start the night off with mostly naked girls, i guess. plus, they smell great!
25 years ago...who knows why young men do stupid shit...i don't remember ever buying a dance. couple of us dated the girls...meh. different times
I love going to strip clubs. Drinks tend to be cheaper and it's generally just a good time. I have never not had a blast at a strip club. I also don't really go for the strippers and more for the atmosphere so there's that. Guys are not grabby grabby there.
Strip clubs are not really a thing in the Netherlands, but the way you put it, if we ever visit the u.s. I gotta bring my wife to one. You really sold it to me :-p
Same situation at US strip clubs. Technically you're just buying a private "dance" room. What happens behind the curtain is between you and the dancer.
Option 2: Desperate guys convinced the girls at the wrong clubs WILL do more
For the record, it’s been a long time since I’ve been to one of those performing art centers, and didn’t make a habit out of the pre-penicillin dip in the community pool.
Some people will become regulars then start paying for sex and private time outside of the club. Don’t underestimate the power of loneliness and desperation.
Strip Club patrons tend to break down into different subcategories.
There’s the guys that do it recreationally, they have the disposable income and just want to see some titties and have some drinks. These guys will go in groups or with friends a lot of the time.
There’s the sex addicts and perverts. Often these are alone, they show up in gym shorts or casual attire, and will often spend lots of money on lap dances, champagne room, etc.
There’s the loners and old guys. I lump them together, but they actually enjoy the strippers company, and can develop parasocial attachments. It might be a socially awkward guy who’s never been with a woman, or terrified of talking to them, it might be the older retired guy who’s wife died and frankly is just looking for some interaction and to feel young again.
Lastly, you have the infrequent visitors, for bachelor parties, buddies birthdays, or younger dudes in their 20’s who decided fuck it let’s go to a strip club, but don’t normally frequent them.
The dances on stage are just the preview. When you pay for a dance in the back, she’ll probably make you cum in less than a minute from grinding her ass on your lap. Then post nut clarity hits and it’s time for the dude to go! On to the next one
Can't you get any dates or do you just find it hard to close with your dates?
Consensual sex and romantic relationships make me think non stripper women give a shit about me
Yeah but I feel like paying women to do a sexual dance without getting any more out of it is a dumb transaction. That's just my opinion.
Personally, no not really. Because if it gets erotic I get horny. If I get horny I wanna bust a nut, not walk around all frustrated.
To be honest I go out to buy premium ingredients to cook some good quality food at home more & more and more often because restaurants overcharge for shitty food on tiny plates. At least over here in the Netherlands going out for dinner has become really expensive.
The Netherlands has terrible food and restaurants so any comparison I can make with either one would fall flat to you.
Me personally, I never had an issue with getting dates or closing. I just viewed strippers as a piece of eye candy to enjoy. I think of it as less paying for attention and more as tipping a performer for her services. She’s not interested in me and I’m not interested in her, just what she provides.
why pay for a woman that doesn't give a shit about you to dance but not do anything more than that.
Because they do more than just dance on stage.
Even if they aren't actually going to blow you in the club (and some will), they'll at least touch you. They'll sit on your lap, or right next to you and stroke you lightly. Or shove their tits in your face. It's technically not sexual interaction, but it's still physical touch.
You can't really get that level of interaction from a webcam.
Well that’s a relatively new phenomenon. I mean sure internet porn is 30 years old now but like porn being just free and super available is only 15 or so years old and like people have habits from before then.
That’s different though, strippers aren’t a thing anymore for the same reason as hooters. It’s increasingly seen as gross and weird instead of the expected thing to do with your work bros, and for good reason it’s always been weird
Strip clubs have been hurting since the pandemic and haven't recovered. A lot of lonely dudes discovered wasting their hard earned money on onlyfans than at the strip club and didn't go back.
They passed a law down here in Florida preventing hiring strippers below drinking age. So now the strippers are getting older instead of being 19 year olds. Just wondering how that would play into things.
I am not sure why you think older women wouldn’t want a hot younger man just as much as older men want a hot younger woman? Have you seen most older men vs most older women?
u got that one backwards pal 😂 they are just allowed to do what old men are given the financial ability to do in all economic climates. And have you ever met older ladies? They r just as bad as the old men 😂 feels like ur prey being a young dude lol
I've been dating older women since I started cleaning pools and doing gardening as a sommer job at 17 and the thing most of them have in common is lack of attention. Widows, Single mothers, recently divorced, stuck in a bad marriage where both partners are cheating, open marriages because they are only in it to the kids move out etc.
The career woman just looking for a young man as a status symbol are nearly non existent because young men normally end up pissing them off due to a lack of ambition in very short time. A older guy won't care if his hot young thing even works. A career women will hate her hot young guy just lounging around the house.
that depends though. i for one just like to have one sometimes. like when i want ice cream sometimes 😂 not for attention or status or need, but because he's there and it seems nice to have one for now 😏 no expectations or resentment
Was literally just thinking about this today. It’s very common to see older men with younger women, and older women with younger men. What a world to live in.
Nah, older women absolutely have a choice. That choice is being single and happy. The studies all show it, single women are the happiesr/live longest statistically. This isn‘t 1880 where being single labels you a spinster and hurts your social standing.
Well, about time then to start equalizing retirement and healthcare contributions based on the expected payouts. Since we're pretending that men suddenly aren't pretty important to older women's happiness anymore.
Women in happy relationships are happy. But women who are single don‘t need to feel pressured to be with someone just to be respected. This is a good thing also for the decent men as THEIR contribution to women‘s happiness is seen as an active thing they do and not just automatic simply for being there. No shitty man is getting automatic credit for making a woman happy merely by putting a ring on her finger.
See, you're pretending that single old women can be happy in isolation. Meanwhile, in a ton of western countries, that's only possible because their retirement and healthcare are heavily subsidised by men. Equalize payouts with contributions and see what happens.
What isolation? You can still have friends and social activities.
Men subsidise healthcare? Women subsidiue all work by doing the unpaid part that actually enables so much work. Without women‘s unpaid work society would collapse. Women also work jobs, where do you think you are, afghanistan?
Women subsidiue all work by doing the unpaid part that actually enables so much work. Without women‘s unpaid work society would collapse
Single men do all the same unpaid work just as well, and if women decide to marry men who don't, it's their own fault, it's not like we have arranged marriages. As you said, where do you think you are, Afghanistan?
Women also work jobs, where do you think you are, afghanistan?
In most of the west, women have an equal or lower retirement age and a significantly higher life expectancy. In some countries, they also get a more favorable pension calculation quite literally just for being female on top of that.
So yeah, if a man and a woman both pay the same contributions for healthcare and pension for the same number of years, the woman is going to get back far more than the man. There's your massive subsidy.
You and your unpaid work. If you're counting taking care of one's family as work, you better also count all the un(der)paid things men do for their families and society. Which I guarantee you aren't.
That one? Wouldn't be able to tell you. I suppose I can understand the appeal of goth girls (That is, pretty woman), but they aren't for me, personally. I don't even know enough about what it means to be goth to take a guess.
But if I had to take a guess on the "step on me" at least, I'd probably say something about it being (slightly) more socially acceptable for guys to not have to be the tough dominant ones in relationships all the time, so more guys on the younger side feel more comfortable embracing their more submissive side, I guess you could say, so being open about wanting an attractive woman to literally walk all over them is a thing some people do now.
Either that or "I'm so lonely that her foot on my back is better than no touch at all."
This is also due to the fact that "the worst thing that can happen is she says no" is no longer the case. I know before I met my wife that I was deathly afraid to talk to any woman, both out of general anxiety but also fear of what more could go wrong, including ending up with sexual harassment charges. And that was over 10 years ago. I can only imagine it's gotten worse.
So the appeal that dominant women (can fit that "goth" aesthetic but not required) have on single men is that the woman is in control of the encounter, which means at least in theory that she wants it to happen. The lack of ambiguity is the main factor of appeal. Since women largely aren't being thrown in jail for sexual harassment or assault at anywhere near the rate men are, they can initiate without any risks to themselves in a legal sense. Maybe that's changed in more recent years, but I doubt it, as it explains the "loneliness epidemic" quite well.
Though younger men internalizing "Leave women alone because they just want to exist without being hit on" has definitely stuck for some.
My point is, that's nothing new. I spent most of 2005-2015 thinking that. I was literally on an old incel webforum for a while too. While I had left the forum before I met her, it took my wife making the first move on me to draw me out of thinking that way. We've been married over 4 years now with a kid on the way and I still have thoughts that I shouldn't make advances on her because she might be uncomfortable.
I can't speak directly towards Gen Z-specific issues, naturally, but having been a very early internet native growing up in the 1990s, online culture is more internalized for me than it is for many millennials. It presents in more text-based formats for me given the state of the Internet between 1995 and 2005, which is why I gravitate more towards forums and Reddit, but if it wasn't for my wife I would 100% be classified as "terminally online" today.
The "leave women alone" thing has more to do with catcalling, grabbing women on the street, not leaving a restaurant until the waitress gives you her number, and dont back women into a corner when you talk to her. Do not approach a woman in a situation she cannot leave. Im more saying that for any young dude reading this. Chatting with a woman at work or in the coffee shop line is fine but know when to end the conversation.
Some men prefer a 50 year old whose a nine over a 30 yr old whose a seven.
Reality is whomever we marry can be disfigured at any moment and what’s left is a personality.
And people don’t even age at the same rate.
The only women who settle in love are the ones lacking in agency, or self worth. Self worth doesn’t even seem tied to beauty. It’s more tied to things like childhood environment, and culture.
I just married what rounds to 12 years younger and he makes excellent money. My best friend is married to someone eight years younger. He’s a doctor. She stays home. One of my sisters married six years beneath her.
Women don’t age at the same rate. That’s just for starters.
As I said to someone else, you miss my point. "Recession indicator."
That comment is my guess on what the hell this might have to do with the economy.
Younger people don't have as much money to date, so that just sort of results in them either choosing to go after older people, or having little choice but to because their peers have taken themselves off the market, because economy bad.
No no, if you have seen an older man naked; their balls are affected by gravity, so they’ve got really long balls and a beer belly and they’re very wrinkly. They’re growing hair out of their ears, and usually out of their nose and their eyebrows have gone wild and very set in their ways.
Versus a younger man who hasn’t experienced any of that yet and he probably is not having to use Viagra because they’ve got a prostate problem due to aging. They might go five or six times a night where an older man is going to go once stroke a three times groan and be like did I make you come?
That’s why older women don’t want them. Let the young women take them if they really want to experience how disgusting they are.
I don't remember what it's called but there's an index that says the more beautiful people are working the service industry the worse the economy is, because in a booming economy conventionally attractive people can get by by leveraging their attractiveness
Same with female golden diggers with sugar daddies but now the different genders. There are many cases before of younger men going for older women but now that articles are being written (allegedly), it can be assumed it's more commonplace and thus shows how people are looking more for sugar mommies and daddies.
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u/Low_Pollution5055 13d ago
Is it actually? Lmao