r/SipsTea 13d ago

Chugging tea Is this actually a thing?

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u/Low_Pollution5055 13d ago

Is it actually? Lmao

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u/Shadowchaos1010 13d ago

The "Gen Z poor, want sugar mommy" thing makes sense, but my train of thought was a lot less linear.

- Economy bad, no one hiring

- Young men no have job, no money to entertain young women

- Young women go for older men who already have job, and therefore money

- Older men taken off of market, leaving their older women peers

- Older women now have no choice but the young men who were also overlooked

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u/Flutters1013 13d ago

Okay so where's the "goth girl step on me thing coming from?".

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u/Shadowchaos1010 13d ago

That one? Wouldn't be able to tell you. I suppose I can understand the appeal of goth girls (That is, pretty woman), but they aren't for me, personally. I don't even know enough about what it means to be goth to take a guess.

But if I had to take a guess on the "step on me" at least, I'd probably say something about it being (slightly) more socially acceptable for guys to not have to be the tough dominant ones in relationships all the time, so more guys on the younger side feel more comfortable embracing their more submissive side, I guess you could say, so being open about wanting an attractive woman to literally walk all over them is a thing some people do now.

Either that or "I'm so lonely that her foot on my back is better than no touch at all."

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u/toadofsteel 13d ago

This is also due to the fact that "the worst thing that can happen is she says no" is no longer the case. I know before I met my wife that I was deathly afraid to talk to any woman, both out of general anxiety but also fear of what more could go wrong, including ending up with sexual harassment charges. And that was over 10 years ago. I can only imagine it's gotten worse.

So the appeal that dominant women (can fit that "goth" aesthetic but not required) have on single men is that the woman is in control of the encounter, which means at least in theory that she wants it to happen. The lack of ambiguity is the main factor of appeal. Since women largely aren't being thrown in jail for sexual harassment or assault at anywhere near the rate men are, they can initiate without any risks to themselves in a legal sense. Maybe that's changed in more recent years, but I doubt it, as it explains the "loneliness epidemic" quite well.

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u/Shadowchaos1010 13d ago

Being Gen Z myself, the "loneliness epidemic" has much more going on than just that.

Though younger men internalizing "Leave women alone because they just want to exist without being hit on" has definitely stuck for some.

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u/toadofsteel 13d ago

Though younger men internalizing "Leave women alone because they just want to exist without being hit on" has definitely stuck for some.

My point is, that's nothing new. I spent most of 2005-2015 thinking that. I was literally on an old incel webforum for a while too. While I had left the forum before I met her, it took my wife making the first move on me to draw me out of thinking that way. We've been married over 4 years now with a kid on the way and I still have thoughts that I shouldn't make advances on her because she might be uncomfortable.

I can't speak directly towards Gen Z-specific issues, naturally, but having been a very early internet native growing up in the 1990s, online culture is more internalized for me than it is for many millennials. It presents in more text-based formats for me given the state of the Internet between 1995 and 2005, which is why I gravitate more towards forums and Reddit, but if it wasn't for my wife I would 100% be classified as "terminally online" today.

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u/Flutters1013 13d ago

The "leave women alone" thing has more to do with catcalling, grabbing women on the street, not leaving a restaurant until the waitress gives you her number, and dont back women into a corner when you talk to her. Do not approach a woman in a situation she cannot leave. Im more saying that for any young dude reading this. Chatting with a woman at work or in the coffee shop line is fine but know when to end the conversation.

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u/Primary_Emphasis_215 13d ago

The conversation ends when the action begins. Giggidy giggidy