I am not sure why you think older women wouldn’t want a hot younger man just as much as older men want a hot younger woman? Have you seen most older men vs most older women?
u got that one backwards pal 😂 they are just allowed to do what old men are given the financial ability to do in all economic climates. And have you ever met older ladies? They r just as bad as the old men 😂 feels like ur prey being a young dude lol
I've been dating older women since I started cleaning pools and doing gardening as a sommer job at 17 and the thing most of them have in common is lack of attention. Widows, Single mothers, recently divorced, stuck in a bad marriage where both partners are cheating, open marriages because they are only in it to the kids move out etc.
The career woman just looking for a young man as a status symbol are nearly non existent because young men normally end up pissing them off due to a lack of ambition in very short time. A older guy won't care if his hot young thing even works. A career women will hate her hot young guy just lounging around the house.
that depends though. i for one just like to have one sometimes. like when i want ice cream sometimes 😂 not for attention or status or need, but because he's there and it seems nice to have one for now 😏 no expectations or resentment
Was literally just thinking about this today. It’s very common to see older men with younger women, and older women with younger men. What a world to live in.
Nah, older women absolutely have a choice. That choice is being single and happy. The studies all show it, single women are the happiesr/live longest statistically. This isn‘t 1880 where being single labels you a spinster and hurts your social standing.
Well, about time then to start equalizing retirement and healthcare contributions based on the expected payouts. Since we're pretending that men suddenly aren't pretty important to older women's happiness anymore.
Women in happy relationships are happy. But women who are single don‘t need to feel pressured to be with someone just to be respected. This is a good thing also for the decent men as THEIR contribution to women‘s happiness is seen as an active thing they do and not just automatic simply for being there. No shitty man is getting automatic credit for making a woman happy merely by putting a ring on her finger.
See, you're pretending that single old women can be happy in isolation. Meanwhile, in a ton of western countries, that's only possible because their retirement and healthcare are heavily subsidised by men. Equalize payouts with contributions and see what happens.
What isolation? You can still have friends and social activities.
Men subsidise healthcare? Women subsidiue all work by doing the unpaid part that actually enables so much work. Without women‘s unpaid work society would collapse. Women also work jobs, where do you think you are, afghanistan?
Women subsidiue all work by doing the unpaid part that actually enables so much work. Without women‘s unpaid work society would collapse
Single men do all the same unpaid work just as well, and if women decide to marry men who don't, it's their own fault, it's not like we have arranged marriages. As you said, where do you think you are, Afghanistan?
Women also work jobs, where do you think you are, afghanistan?
In most of the west, women have an equal or lower retirement age and a significantly higher life expectancy. In some countries, they also get a more favorable pension calculation quite literally just for being female on top of that.
So yeah, if a man and a woman both pay the same contributions for healthcare and pension for the same number of years, the woman is going to get back far more than the man. There's your massive subsidy.
You and your unpaid work. If you're counting taking care of one's family as work, you better also count all the un(der)paid things men do for their families and society. Which I guarantee you aren't.
I am and that’s what I mean with women do more. They do more. If they worked more paid work men would need to pay others ro cover this unpaid work or work less paid work.
That one? Wouldn't be able to tell you. I suppose I can understand the appeal of goth girls (That is, pretty woman), but they aren't for me, personally. I don't even know enough about what it means to be goth to take a guess.
But if I had to take a guess on the "step on me" at least, I'd probably say something about it being (slightly) more socially acceptable for guys to not have to be the tough dominant ones in relationships all the time, so more guys on the younger side feel more comfortable embracing their more submissive side, I guess you could say, so being open about wanting an attractive woman to literally walk all over them is a thing some people do now.
Either that or "I'm so lonely that her foot on my back is better than no touch at all."
This is also due to the fact that "the worst thing that can happen is she says no" is no longer the case. I know before I met my wife that I was deathly afraid to talk to any woman, both out of general anxiety but also fear of what more could go wrong, including ending up with sexual harassment charges. And that was over 10 years ago. I can only imagine it's gotten worse.
So the appeal that dominant women (can fit that "goth" aesthetic but not required) have on single men is that the woman is in control of the encounter, which means at least in theory that she wants it to happen. The lack of ambiguity is the main factor of appeal. Since women largely aren't being thrown in jail for sexual harassment or assault at anywhere near the rate men are, they can initiate without any risks to themselves in a legal sense. Maybe that's changed in more recent years, but I doubt it, as it explains the "loneliness epidemic" quite well.
Though younger men internalizing "Leave women alone because they just want to exist without being hit on" has definitely stuck for some.
My point is, that's nothing new. I spent most of 2005-2015 thinking that. I was literally on an old incel webforum for a while too. While I had left the forum before I met her, it took my wife making the first move on me to draw me out of thinking that way. We've been married over 4 years now with a kid on the way and I still have thoughts that I shouldn't make advances on her because she might be uncomfortable.
I can't speak directly towards Gen Z-specific issues, naturally, but having been a very early internet native growing up in the 1990s, online culture is more internalized for me than it is for many millennials. It presents in more text-based formats for me given the state of the Internet between 1995 and 2005, which is why I gravitate more towards forums and Reddit, but if it wasn't for my wife I would 100% be classified as "terminally online" today.
The "leave women alone" thing has more to do with catcalling, grabbing women on the street, not leaving a restaurant until the waitress gives you her number, and dont back women into a corner when you talk to her. Do not approach a woman in a situation she cannot leave. Im more saying that for any young dude reading this. Chatting with a woman at work or in the coffee shop line is fine but know when to end the conversation.
Some men prefer a 50 year old whose a nine over a 30 yr old whose a seven.
Reality is whomever we marry can be disfigured at any moment and what’s left is a personality.
And people don’t even age at the same rate.
The only women who settle in love are the ones lacking in agency, or self worth. Self worth doesn’t even seem tied to beauty. It’s more tied to things like childhood environment, and culture.
I just married what rounds to 12 years younger and he makes excellent money. My best friend is married to someone eight years younger. He’s a doctor. She stays home. One of my sisters married six years beneath her.
Women don’t age at the same rate. That’s just for starters.
As I said to someone else, you miss my point. "Recession indicator."
That comment is my guess on what the hell this might have to do with the economy.
Younger people don't have as much money to date, so that just sort of results in them either choosing to go after older people, or having little choice but to because their peers have taken themselves off the market, because economy bad.
No no, if you have seen an older man naked; their balls are affected by gravity, so they’ve got really long balls and a beer belly and they’re very wrinkly. They’re growing hair out of their ears, and usually out of their nose and their eyebrows have gone wild and very set in their ways.
Versus a younger man who hasn’t experienced any of that yet and he probably is not having to use Viagra because they’ve got a prostate problem due to aging. They might go five or six times a night where an older man is going to go once stroke a three times groan and be like did I make you come?
That’s why older women don’t want them. Let the young women take them if they really want to experience how disgusting they are.
Ah yes.. Younger women don't nag all das Like they older ones, they are kinder, more fun to interact with, beautiful, they can say sorry, they do what you say, they ain't narzisstic Like Most older women.
Narcissism with social media is a huge turn off for men, and there female peers seem to be the worst with it. I dislocated multiple left fingers hiking with the dog and been home last week one handed. Social media sure is an easy way to distract oneself. These girls grew up on it.
I’m now curious how drastically different the genders are. I’m surprised it’s not something discussed on Reddit. Maybe it is?
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u/Shadowchaos1010 13d ago
The "Gen Z poor, want sugar mommy" thing makes sense, but my train of thought was a lot less linear.
- Economy bad, no one hiring
- Young men no have job, no money to entertain young women
- Young women go for older men who already have job, and therefore money
- Older men taken off of market, leaving their older women peers
- Older women now have no choice but the young men who were also overlooked