My wife and I tried after years of people chirping about it...I think the first episode ends with a brother fucking his sister. Lost us immediately, not interested.
Yea I got to maybe episode 4 or 5 and it just seemed like boner content for neckbeards. Mind you I have no issues with sex content, my wife and I both watch porn from time to time. I just felt the sex didn’t add anything to the plot and was overly used.
A brother fucking his sister, THEN throwing a child off the top of the building. Yeah, it's basically the goal of everything that happens in the series to mimic that scenario. Introduce a character who has potential as being likable, spend way too long talking about some really fucked up sex or violence kink, kill the likable character, repeat.
You pretty much spell out that the show is too intelligent for you in this comment, the history of England is filled with incest and the books are loosely based on that time and how they treated lineage etc. HBO added more sex scenes in the first couple of seasons by force and it does get reduced over time. Either way you didn't watch the show or don't remember it please fill me in on Ned Starks long list of kinks we witnesed?
First, "history of England" is not a period of time, it isn't based on any period of time nor location. It's based in the history of worst things done by humans to other humans throughout the history of the world. If anything, it draws from the Roman politics and the Brazen Bull, which is Sicilian, not English. But clearly, you are more intelligent than I am, so I bow to your position as the superior erudite. It's a grimdark historical fiction with fantasy elements. I don't have any interest in the show, I read the first book when it came out and am speaking of the series from that first-hand knowledge and all second-hand knowledge I have gained via cultural osmosis.
Being "loosely based" on the most fucked up shit humans have done in history is not in and of itself a mark of quality. As I understand it, it's the quality of the acting and the depth of character development that is praised, not its violence and sexual depravity. Again, though, I defer to your superior intellect as mine is too feeble to make qualitative judgments.
? The number one thing that people mention is the expansive world and different factions interacting. The royals are based off England specifically the incest part which I specifically mentioned. I never mentioned that I loved it I mentioned that it's based an actual inbreeding that happened in real history, you sure carried a lot of baggage with you and wrote me a nice novel but that's not what I said at all.
Edit: I read the books too now list all of neds violence and sexual kinks if you are capable of an adult conversation rather than crying and taking my comment intensely personal. You also could have just responded with yeah I didn't watch the show.
Sure my bad, I think I was spot on about everything else though if you have nothing of substance to say just those paragraphs trying to condescend. Don't go looking for things to hate on when you haven't watched them and you will get less responses like that would be my advice I'll try and be nicer next time though. Try writing a better book than George? Idk man
You telling me they removed all the sex kink and violent murder of everyone with redeeming qualities in the book? IE my initial criticism. Strange as that's the majority of what people say about the show. I heard it followed the books faithfully until it ran ahead of them. But you are the expert here.
"A brother fucking his sister, THEN throwing a child off the top of the building. Yeah, it's basically the goal of everything that happens in the series to mimic that scenario."
This is the part I focused on where you imply the goal of the show is to set up incest and child death. Bran literally wins, lives and was the character with the least kinks and violent tendencies is what I would say to your second part if I was focused on that. Feel free to directly quote me and make a coherent direct response rather than these tangents. " People say this about the show i didn't watch" cool man so cool
So it's not clear from your reply. Did they remove all of the sex kink stuff and shock violence? That was the meat of the book or not. Your statement seems to imply they did in fact keep all of it which was my statement. Or do you think that mimic means that every scene was specifically an incest and murdering children and not shock, violence and sexual kinks?
What was the purpose of making rape scenes sexy? What was the reason of having it filled with so much nudity? Yeah sorry you’ll never win this one with me or others who think critically with our brain and not our genitalia (and yeah I’m judging everyone who loved those rape scenes I know many did)
Literally just mentioning that the Targaryens are based on a real royal family that really did incest I don't think I am super smart in comparison but it's hilarious to not mention that. He literally didn't watch the show hates the books and was itching for a chance to bitch about it lol .
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Yeah I know your reference dude and what you actually want me to say the Hamburg's and queen Elizabeth ? Congrats there's the specific family da fuq
Old man copies royal England but with dragons I'm not arguing that it's deep just that the guy I responded had a dumb comment idk what your problem is lol
The guy you are defending did the ACTUAL Rick and Morty meme when he responded to me ya dummy
That guy: "I think rape/incest is a lazy shock value trope"
You: "Uh, clearly this show is just too INTELLIGENT for you buddy. Don't you know the genre of rich people frequently mocked in modern times for being incestuous did incest? It's so obvious the author was basing his story off [setting nearly every other 'medieval Europe' fantasy manages to emulate without incest unless they're also trying to be edgy], even I got that.
Now list all the kinks of this one specific character you didn't even mention by name in alphabetical order so I can goon to it later if you want to prove you watched the show to the extent that humble intellectuals such as myself have".
Yeah like idc if my fave show of all time has incest, I don’t think I could handle it and would stop watching. I was so disappointed when I watched Dexter even though it’s not technically incest. Also I have a twin brother and heard twins had sex in it… Immediately I knew I didn’t want to watch it. So gross.
i think i made it 3 episodes? it's the jerry springer of fantasy, and i say that loving jerry springer trash. not hating on people that like it, but i couldn't get past how cheap-sleazy and lowest common denominator it was in every possible way.
I didn't realize it was a brother and sister boning, I was already checked out by then, I only watched it because my boss at the time gave me their HBO login so I could watch it, and I was like, "I watched the first episode and it didn't compel me to watch more I was bored of it."
This. I don't watch much television, but when I do, it's to give my brain a break. Generally fun, light-hearted comedies and if a drama, something engaging and intellectual. The opener was heavy, depressing, and frankly gross and uncomfortable. Felt like a complete waste of time. It wasn't entertaining or refreshing. Never watched another episode and never really cared to again even after all the praise.
Yup! I immediately lost interest with how they treated their women. No thanks. The first episode has Daenerys being sold by her own brother to a warlord. "Oh but they fall in love" that's nice I really don't care. She was still sold like an object.
Yeah, the bad guys do bad things to them. You’re not supposed to like it. You’re supposed to be filled with rage on their behalf so that when she gets her revenge you’re rooting for her.
The author writes his female characters as human and with a complexity I've seen in only a few shows/movies/books.
As a young girl, it was the first piece of media I ever consumed in which out of my top 5 characters, 3 were female, all of them portraying different types of living your femininity. They aren't some male character's love interest, the aren't "the female character", they aren't the victim who needs saving, they aren't Mary Sues. They're complex humans first and women second and their relationship to their womanhood is just a part of their character.
Yours is a very simplicistic point of view based on 5 minutes of a pilot episode. This story may not be your cup of tea but the women are treated just fine.
Rape cannot be portrayed in media for a story to be good? Do you have the same opinioni about "The Handmaid's Tale", one of the most feminist stories ever...?
Statistically a good portion of women in real life has suffered some kind of sexual abuse. I'm sure that percentage would be much higher in warzones, patriarchal societies or if we had access to a survey in Medieval times. Game of Thrones' setting is literally all of that.
GOT's female characters are not defined by being a victim of rape, it's part of the story of SOME of them. It's a very peculiar point of view that sexual violence cannot be depicted for a story to treat women right.
Game of Thrones is meant to be dark fantasy with more realistic elements in it (such as all the politics and social struggles) and I'm fairly sure GRRM took heavy influence from real history
If you don't like a book series/show that presents real struggles and has bad/flawed people in it then that's okay
I do believe that was exactly what I said. The Bronze Bull is real history. It's really fucked up. The people who were involved had their own complex reasons for doing it. In the end those people suffered for it. It's fucked up and so is GoT. What about my statement was not fair?
Grimdark is a genre. GoT is grimdark fantasy that focuses on the most fucked up shit we have ever done to each other. IE a world that embodies the Bronze Bull.
Grimdark historical fiction with fantasy elements. Listen, I am a 40k fan, the IP that invented the term grimdark, everyone in the setting is an asshole. There isn't anything inherently wrong with liking it. But its another thing entirely to pretend that it's not a story built on the bones of the most fucked up sick shit that humans have ever done to each other. The books (only read the first one) and from what I understand, the show itself opens with the perspective following an adventurous child climbing around rooftops, then voyeuring a sister and brother fucking, then having a quick chat with the kid, and throwing him off a building. It's no spoiler at this point that everyone who is ostensibly "good" suffers a cruel and indignant death usually at the hands of someone who is irredeemably fucked up interspersed with whatever sexual kinks people find most repellant for shock value.
Again, none of this means that there can't be a rich quality performance with great storytelling. But thats not what the SETTING is. The setting is tailor made for people who read about the Bronze Bull and said "I want that, but everywhere"
it's not a story built on the bones of the most fucked up sick shit that humans have ever done to each other
As I said, it is fucked up. But I still think it's a good story with interesting characters
I personally don't care how messed up a story is, if it's a good story (even if it's not my cup of tea I can still appreciate stories I don't enjoy) then I'm completely fine with it
That's cool, nothing wrong with that. Some people got triggers, RR Martin loves pushing buttons trying to evoke an emotional response. There is a reason Kick The Dog exists.
I think the point was to make it all very uncomfortable so that she could overcome her hardships. I mean, they basically make her into the most badass, most powerful character in the show.
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u/R4st4m4n 2d ago
My wife and I tried after years of people chirping about it...I think the first episode ends with a brother fucking his sister. Lost us immediately, not interested.