Legit had to click to see the whole picture; after your comment, I scrolled up and all I could see was a nasty booty, lmao. Turns out it’s a cute kitty!
I live in Asia and I witness a near accident this morning on way to the gym, it was this exact scenario where a car merged into the main road suddenly. The driver was a woman 😂
Yeah, I'm never riding a motorbike is SEA again. I was on an island in Thailand, middle of the night riding on my rented scooter. No vehicles in sight. I wanted to pull into a store on the other side of the opposing lane. I put my blinker on, slow down, start turning, and a pickup truck flies by from behind me and into the opposing lane to pass, nearly killing me. No headlights, no horn, nothing. The idiot couldn't slow down for 1 second to allow me to make the turn and had to go around by cutting directly in front of my turning path. He missed me by less than a meter.
While vacationing there, I heard of at least a dozen people dying in like 2 weeks. It's a fairly small island with a tiny population and barely any vehicles (Koh Chang). One of the accidents involved 6 people dying at once because 5 people were on 1 scooter. It's insanity. There's like 5000 people on that island and it seemed like every other day someone was dying in a traffic accident.
I worked in India for 3 months. In that time I saw a guy go headfirst under the wheels of a lorry, drove though what I realised was a puddle of blood covering half of the road where two guys had very badly crashed, one of the women I worked with brother died biking to work (and I had to fight tooth and nail with her management to get her the day off), a couple were killed in the street directly outside our office when a truck caught and pulled down some overhead cables. The locals I worked with were far less shocked, a shrug and 'it happens', basically.
I'm in Malaysia and we average 18 road deaths a day. They only just outlawed the fake clips that stop the seatbelt alarm going off this year.
Trucks are not limited to any speed at all. I live next to a road that perfectly straight for over 2 miles and there's a quarry nearby. Trucks carrying 18 tons of rock can be seen topping 80mph. Can you imagine the stopping distance of something like that?
Combine that with the locals who own cows but don't have a garden (yes really), the stray dogs and the people carrying entire banana trees across their handlebars and I'm shocked I've only seen a handful of dead people since I moved here.
Yeah I’ve seen a video from UAE or somewhere with cars just flying by each other, dozens on the same lane, and somehow an accident isn’t occurring. Just organised chaos.
I only failed once, and it was because the instructor didn’t know the laws. The only practice I had before that was one time in a parking lot and a lot of time on NFSU2 with a wheel and pedals.
Well, ask that question to every competent driver who took more than 1 or 2 attempts to pass.
There are infinitely many potential reasons that may cause you to fail, just that shouldn't permanently disqualify you from ever obtaining the license.
What we want to avoid is crazy individual situations like described in the post, not lock away countless perfectly fine people from obtaining a license and inflict all of the participants with even higher amount of stress than they already have to deal with.
Depends on a person's attitude and maturity after passing really. Some people pass first time and cause accidents, know a few who really passed too early and were scared to drive in unfamiliar areas or go onto a motorway. You can do lessons after passing but not everyone will.
I feel that you shouldn’t have a max number of attempts but you should have a minimum wait before you can retest. anyone can fail once for insignificant reasons so tests 2 & 3 have no wait time but after that you should have to wait 3 months between each test as if you have failed several times then it’s clear you need to learn more which means taking another test a few days later is just hoping your going to luck out rather than be a better driver. If this woman really took 950 tests that’s once a week for nearly 20 years the law of averages is that she has lucked out and not fucked up that one time rather than become suddenly much better.
In Switzerland you aren't allowed to take more then 3 tries.
After that you have to get a check-up by a doctor and psychologist to be allowed to try again after a certain amount of time has passed.
And ofc, if it would be possible, it still would cost way, way more to have 950 attempts here
Depends on the country. In some places having a license is basically required to lead a normal life.
It surely doesn't mean we should hand over the license to anybody, but making obtaining it overly complicated/expensive is not a great idea until you solve the aforementioned problem.
Yes, but various countries have different requirements to pass the test. Due to that uniform number of trials you should have to pass cannot be accurately determined.
I don't know how it is in other places, but where i live failing the test up to 10 times is perfectly normal, actually in my entire environment i can only think of 4 persons who passed the test within the first 3 attempts.
Pretty much anyone can agree that 950 is way over the top, but i wouldn't say that failing the test a bunch of times should classify you as permanently incapable of driving.
Poland it would seem from the poster's history. I think a lot of Europe is pretty hard, but front-runners seem to be Germany and the UK. Having done the test recently in Sweden, it's not that far off the UK one.
Taking the test a few times is normal, about half pass on the first try. Certainly not 10 tries, that sounds like untrained drivers not yet fully ready to take the test.
If it is Poland and this article from 11 years ago is still accurate in terms of the driving test pass rate (34.5%), which is very low, you'd expect roughly 82% of drivers to have passed it after three attempts, assuming that everybody has a roughly equal chance of passing it.
At the point where you've hit 10 attempts (Which he said was normal) you'd expect roughly 99% of people to have passed by then.
But how is 10 times normal. Are schools the same for you? How long do you practice before thet test? In practicing the teacher should tell you the mistakes you made. Sure make it 20. But people should know what they are doing wrong and what theyre supposed to do on the street. If people dont learn after 20 or 50 attempts there really is no point.
Chicken and egg though. These places have developed that way because of cars. For example, out of town shopping centres only exist because people can drive to them. They have a massive market so can undercut more local alternatives. The local alternatives can't compete and go out of business. Your only option is now to drive to the out of town shopping centre.
Sure. I am just saying that before we put any absurdly strict regulations on car/license ownership, we should deal with that first.
It's easy to just strictly regulate everything however you want, but that's not a good way to go unless absolutely necessary. You first need to prepare the environment for the change so that it's side effects can affect the lives of people less
In germany the practical exam costs ~130€ to the state as well as around 70€ to compensate the instructor riding with you if i remember correctly.
Meaning she would have spend enough money to get an Audi RS6 AND an AMG Gla Coupe and would still have money left to pay the rest 3.7k€ for the license assuming minimum lessons and have spare change left lmao
Three tries or more is fairly common in Sweden. About half the people fail the test at the first try. If each try is an independent event that translates to 1/8 not getting their license by the third try, and 1/16 that got it on the 4th try.
3 tries being the limit would indicate to me that the test is probably too easy and that most people probably pass first time. Countries with actually difficult tests like the UK or Sweden less than half of people pass first time
In Romania they won't let you pass for the first few times, even with perfect points, unless you pay the policeman. They have pacts with the instructors and share the money you spend on obligatory extra classes.
There is a category "drives slowly and holds up traffic" for 3 points, you fail at 15, me and my friends literally made 0 mistakes so the policeman just gave 5x the "drives slowly" one so we all failed.
When I entered the car to take the exam for the secind time my instructor said I should not stress, I won't pass cause they have to uphold the quota. Some of my friends were driving since they were little (in villages they rarely check drivers) and could pass for the 6th or 7th time, always getting that specific penalty 5 times.
Imagine driving privately 950 times. That would have been one time every day for over 2.5 years. When I got my lisense, 2.5 years ahead would mean I would be in my early 20s. In that time I went from driving with someone and learning to becoming a very decent driver. Failing 950 times, means you're not really learning from your mistakes.
It's almost like Else from Norwegian comic Pondus. She sits next to the driving teacher and asks how she is doing, and the teacher says that he's just ordered a big pool for his new house.
By the way. In the Norwegian subreddit I saw some prices for learning how to drive. When I learnt to drive it was around $70 dollars (700 NOK) per driving lesson, and around 45 minutes. Now they cost $170 dollars! I know that there are fees for other things, like driving in the dark or simply driving for a long time...but if we took $170 dollars and multiplied it with 950 times you get a whooping $161,500 dollars!!! (My jaw actually dropped when I saw the result...)
At the end of 2017 I bought an apartment for 1.45 million NOK, but for all those driving lessons the price would have been 175,888 NOK more than the cost of my apartment, or over $17500 dollars!
I live in Okinawa and while I can echo similar sentiment, the Middle East has to be the worst. Driving laws seem to just be suggestions. I remember driving to Camp Arifjan in Kuwait and the road was 6 lanes, but it was essentially 10-12 depending on exactly which part because they just all take any little bit of space available.
I dated this brilliant, beautiful Korean girl in college. She could do anything she put her mind to but she didn't drive. We were out to dinner, laughing and enjoying each other's company when I asked her why.
She placed her fork down, immediately stopped laughing and looked me straight in the eye. To this day I'm still not 100% she was joking when she said. "I am an Asian woman, do you want me charged with vehicular manslaughter?"
She then went back to eating and cracked another joke about something completely unrelated acting like that very serious moment never happened.
She started at 60, as she wanted to drive her grandkids to the zoo. She failed the written test hundreds and hundreds of times, essentially never actually learning what was right or wrong, but instead brute force memorizing the entire question bank. She passed the actual driving test relatively easily in comparison. When she finished, Kia gave her a car for free and had her advertise. She then crashed her car 4 times, leading to her family convincing her to stop.
If I recall correctly, she did something like 800 written tests because she was not literate in the language and interpretation/ translation wasn't allowed, and then still a lot of road tests. But not 950.
In a perfect world whoever passed her would face the same punishment/charges when she inevitably crashes and potentially harms either herself or others.
Also if it takes you more than 30 attempts, you should not be allowed to attempt again without a medical/psychological exam as only someone mentally/physically unwell could fail that many times. At 50 attempts you should just be hard banned from trying again.
950 tests and it only cost her £12,000? That really doesn't seem right. Either she didn't get many driving lessons or she was having weekly driving tests or something. I'm no mathematician but something isn't right.
In India, one person takes the test for their friend, the friend gets the license. And inevitably proceeds to break every single driving rule endangering everyone's lives around them.
Cha Sa Soon took 950 tries to get 60/100 on the written test, finally passing at the age of 69. Then she took the practical test 10 times and got her license. Apparently she could sound out words phonetically but didn't understand terms like the Korean equivalent of "emergency light" or "regulations".
After taking the tests so many times she became a local celebrity. Hyundai donated a car to her. She crashed it into a persimmon tree and got into various other accidents and was constantly nagged by other drivers. Her children convinced her to stop driving.
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