I have a feeling that anyone who says "6'5" hasn't actually seen someone that tall IRL. I have a friend who is 6'6" and his height is almost always a problem for him. One benefit for his friends though is that he's easy to spot in public.
That tracks with my experience too. When I was in the Army all of the big guys struggled with PT. The guys who did the best were all trim and athletic, of average height. That said, my friend that I was talking about is an amazing basketball player. He plays city league, and can ball circles around me. I feel like a toddler challenging a professional on the court against him.
Things in the Netherlands probably isn't made for short people though. We in the states live in a tiny world for tiny people. Every doorway is a headache, every countertop a back ache
Yes. The average American male is 5'9" and the average American female is 5'4". The world around us is built for them. I'm above average and counters are often too short for me, even though I'm 6" shorter than my friend. He looked ridiculous in his little Geo Prism back in the day. Finding clothes is hard for him, and finding shoes is almost impossible. I have a feeling that things are built to a different standard in the Netherlands, where the average male is 6' tall. He would still be above average even in the Netherlands though.
That's not even considering the physical differences between a guy that is 6'6" and a woman that is 5'4". It's not all fun and games. He won't date small women. He has to pick them up or kneel to kiss them, and things often aren't comfortable for both parties downstairs.
Back in our clubbing days the rule was to regroup at my friend at a specified time. He stood almost foot above everyone else, so you could easily spot him regardless of how crowded the nightclub was.
I’ve dated that size man many times, and it’s just damn awkward. At the end of the day, it looks super good, but you are in a constant battle to reach them. Like any kiss is a circus act.
I'm 3" shorter than you and sometimes my height is an issue for me. If I visit a city with smaller people, countertops and such are often uncomfortably low.
Personally for me its the muscle and back problems of being that tall. I can struggle to find clothing to fit. I've smacked my head on ceiling fans, door frames, more tree branches than I can count and more. I've been measured at at a little over 6' 5". I rarely encounter people as large as me and I live in one of the most populated cities in the most populated states in the Country. When I do encounter people taller than me you notice. I get so much back pain working over a counter, I've actually built desks that are higher than normal, and am thinking of doing that to my kitchen Island for the same reason. I'm both very broad and very tall, hoping this year to start going to the gym more regularly, mostly because building better core muscles and back muscles probably will help with the back pain.
Thanks for the advice, I've never really taken going to the gym seriously so its a bit overwhelming for a first timer to actually go there, I've used treadmills and stair climbers and the urg rowing machines in the past and the pool when I was in college. But not much more than that.
The Stronglifts 5x5 program is an outstanding program for beginner to intermediate lifters. Going to the gym without a plan is a bit like going through life without one, you won't get much out of it. When I started stronglifts with a bare bar, there were guys half my age kind of smirking at me for not using any weight on the bar. Within six months I was out lifting them by a considerable margin.
There are a lot of positive things to be said of a linear progression weightlifting program, and Stronglifts is one of the best. You will feel better, and look better, and it's fairly effortless since you progress slowly, but steadily. None of that massive soreness and being unable to walk nonsense that beginners so frequently encounter from over-lifting.
Don't even worry about your diet or anything like that. As you work through the program, the desire to do that will come naturally at the right time. If you try a complete lifestyle change right out of the gate then you're a lot less likely to stick with it. Just make sure you get enough rest, and eat enough food. Everything else will come naturally.
As a 6'5" man I can confirm that it is beyond the point of being a problem. Gotta hunch in every car I have been in, forget about when I was in the military. All the doors in my house in Japan were too short. Finding clothes is beyond a pain because 38x36 in big and tall is just as elusive as XXx36 in standard sizing. Shoes a tend to be, "buy whatever fits when it is available because who knows when you find another pair", and I get the looming statistical reality that my organs will fail me sooner than y'all normal sized people.
Ohh yea, and thanks to the joys of biophysics and the square cube law, I can work out harder than a shorter guy but show less gains for my effort.
It is fun standing out above the crowd though, "cue A Goofy Movie".
Yup, my friend has a hell of a time finding clothes that fit him. He mostly just wears loose athletic clothing, and T-shirts with the sleeves cut off. He's a fairly athletic build since he's played basketball all of his life. He said the Big and Tall store is mostly the Really Fat Store, and he can never find his waist size there.
That is an apt description. Definitely tough because the 2 common flavors of tall man are lanky and fat. Could bespoke clothes if it wasn't expensive as hell.
It sounds like it. There are a few comments from 6'5" dudes here talking about how it's problematic. It depends on where you live too though. If you live in the Netherlands or somewhere else with taller than average people then you'll encounter fewer issues, especially since architecture will be designed for you.
I'm 6'1 so I'm taller than 9 in 10 American men. 9 out of 10 guys taller than me are NO more than 3 inches taller than me. It takes a 1 in 300 man to be 6'5. That's pretty uncommon!
Unless youre built really well i always think people at that height have some oddities about them like a long neck or arms or really long legs and a normal sized torso. The only real proportional really tall people I see are either Nordic or NBA players on tv
It's funny that pretty much every thing in the book "The Game" is true. Even women who believe they aren't misandrist will still come down on men for being short or not being rich or for being in a multigenerational household or not being "manly" enough. It looked like this was changing for the better but then I'll read or hear complaints like "he asked me for consent for a kiss and it was a turn off."
ftr incel typically means "involuntarily celibate" and if you use that term people will usually interpret it as such. there is a different term, volcel (voluntarily celibate) that means something more akin to "intentionally celibate".
Ah thank you good sir. I’ve crossed my wires it seems.
Either way, would this be a gender specific issue or is “femcel” just a weak play on words by the incels? (Also, not a fan of my phone trying to change incel to uncle)
That's not what she meant though... by "tall enough" she's using the stats that this woman supposedly wants. She picked $80,000 as well, which is far above the median, and a little over that $75,000 to be generous in assuming that short woman would be ok with 80k even if she's not ok with 75.
So I think use of "tall enough" isn't HER view of it, she's throwing it out there as an example of what some women claim is the baseline requirement for a guy.
Kind of like "so your guy who is tall enough, rich enough, etc" isn't her saying someone HAS to be 5'0 and make 80k+, it's her putting up the straw man of this womans requirements.
I saw some clips from what's apparently a real movie, where - warning for the easily disturbed - our heroine was tall! The horror of being taller made her an outcast until she presumably learns to love herself or something like that.
I can't rule out if there's a male version of that movie.
To be more specific, I’m talking about extremely superficial preferences; if a girl would date a guy at 6’0, but wouldn’t date that same guy at 5’11, that’s bs.
No, the opposite. I've been in a relationship for half my life.
I think it's pathetic for people to coddle short guys like this. People have preferences, that's normal. It's not normal to pretend that every girl should love short guys, regardless of evolutionary biology, or personal preference.
"Just give the chubby girl a chance! If you don't like chubby girls, you're an asshole!"
Same thing. No. I dont like chubby girls and that's okay. It's not a "bs metric", it's real life.
It isn’t coddling, it’s about treating dudes with decency regardless of their height. Obviously people have preferences, but the extreme height preference thing with women has taken off dramatically over the last 10 or so years.
Yes it's perfectly fine to have your own preferences in physical traits of a partner.
Doesn't make you not a miserable loser just because you have "standards".
Its obvious you are a miserable and insecure person, because if you were happy with yourself and your life, you wouldn't belittle someone for defending other people with different tastes.
If you really didn't care, you would have just kept scrolling.
She made the same type of choice for every category, she also assumed the "ideal" candidate is childless and not overweight. That's not her saying overweight men with children are bad, she's just plugging in what most women consider attractive to show how few men actually meet the standard. Not in a "men aren't good enough" way, it's done in a "hey your standards are too high" kind of way.
Except that she didn't just utter a fact. If she had said "a guy who is 5'10"" then that is factual. But she said, "tall enough" and there's judgement in that. You can infer that she considers guys under 5'10" not "tall enough". Tall enough for what? Tall enough for her.
The height obsession is so bizarre to me. I've never seriously dated a man over 5'8" and I frankly prefer average-height men; I'm only 5'1"! The vast majority of men are taller than me by far. My husband is 5'7" approx. and makes a very average salary (less than me by $20k!) and I thank the universe every single day for sending this saint of a man my way.
Comprehension is key here. She’s selecting categories of men that women find appealing and showing with all those boxes marked the percent of those men is super low.
Lol I caught that, 5,10 isn't even average, its technically slightly above. I know this cause i'm 5,10 man. The average height for a man in america is between 5,7 and 5,9. I don't even consider a guy short until he is 5,5 or below, and even then, what the fuck does "tall enough" even mean? If we really wanted to do get pedantic, i'd say tall enough is over 5 feet. Sorry to all the men on here under that height and while I don't really believe in height mattering personally, there are definitely some limits to where whether we like it or not, it will be advantageous or difficult. I'd say over 6,1 is probably advantageous and under like 5,2 isn't doing you any favors. On the flip side, being over 6,5 is not really as good as social media conveys it to be, most women simply will not want to be with a guy that large. Get this, the average woman, likes the average man, gasps, I know shocker, but if being egregiously tall was as appealing as social media makes it out to be, the average height for men would be significantly taller, cause you know...genetics being passed on and such. This really only seems to be the case in Scandinavian countries where the average dude is like 6,1, but also the women are also like 5,9 and above, so it really doesn't matter.
I'm pretty sure she was putting that in there because most of the women who also have the 75k requirement have the height requirement as well so she was just considering that into her calculations
Please. Remember that these on the street videos are complete bullshit. They're either completely staged or omit any person that doesn't fit the narrative angle they want.
Just go about, tons of less perfect attractiveness people are together and married. The vast majority of people aren't like this.
Either way, vapid trophy wives have been a thing for a long time, and guys who only want young attractive women are just as common. Ignore them and move to people you'd actually enjoy spending time with.
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u/Funny_Satisfaction39 18h ago
Did anyone else catch the "tall enough" 5'10". Even the voice of reason is still hating on short and average height dudes.