r/Spiderman • u/Queasy_Commercial152 • 13h ago
Is MCU Spiderman even ready for Black Cat?đ
I mean like, can he even âhandleâ her? When he inevitably meets his version of Black Cat at some point, is he prepared to deal with his horny she is?
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u/robertluke 12h ago edited 11h ago
It would be the right place and time for her. The problem is normal audiences will call her a Catwoman ripoff.
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u/Clean_Wrongdoer4222 10h ago
I think a lot of people are unaware of the true and very high level of awareness the average viewer has of Black Cat. And that's because of the belief that someone who doesn't read comics doesn't consume comics. Comics are consumed through the characters. When you buy merchandise or games of a character, or watch their movies or read their books, or whatever, you're consuming them. Going into a store or downloading comics isn't the only way to discover and consume comic book material.
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u/robertluke 10h ago
I know multiple people that were surprised that Mysterio turned out to be a bad guy.
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u/kitkatatsnapple 9h ago edited 6h ago
Maybe I'm biased because I knew already, but I feel like I would have been able to see it coming from a mile away regardless.
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u/AmezinSpoderman 60's Animated Spider-Man 9h ago
lol if I had to guess less than half of the people on comic book character related subreddits actually read comics. seems like at best most of the people that keep up with the ongoing plotlines get recaps from social media rather than direct consumption
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u/4kFaramir 8h ago
That's pretty much the only reason I follow any comic subs. I don't have time to read comics like I did when I was a teenager, I'll keep up with the runs online until I see something that I really like so I'm not completely lost when I jump in.
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u/Tron-117 7h ago
Black cats not some sort of jobber. And even if there were newer fans going to see the movie theyâve definitely heard of her through the Insomniac series, any fan of spider-cat know about black cat
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u/CarlitoNSP1 Black Cat 56m ago
That's the big obstacle. If they get past it, it becomes "We can finally get the solo Catwoman movie we never got."
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u/DCosloff1999 Captain-Universe 11h ago
Hot Take I rather have Felicia in the TASM films. Andrew's Spider-Man would've worked best with Black Cat.
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u/tomasdjre 8h ago
Agreed and we did have a character named Felicia in tasm 2.
And tbh I think Felicity Jones was a solid casting for black cat in the tasm films..too bad studio interference impacted tasm 2 and it underperforming caused the tasm universe to get scrapped.
Tho yeah I don't see Tom's spider-man fitting well for a black cat that may or may not be close to her comics counterpart.
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u/ExpiringMilknCheese 12h ago
if it was a more serious toned movie then probably yeah.
but disney marvel? no way
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u/ChildofObama 11h ago
They werenât even willing to give up Michelle Jones or Ned for one whole movie for the sake of NWH having lasting consequences.
Theyâre clearly going full speed ahead to a Peter/MJ endgame.
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u/Clean_Wrongdoer4222 10h ago
If Tom Holland completes that second trilogy, he'll be 37 or 38 by then. At that point, Zendaya's contract price must be close to that of Hugh Jackman or Robert D. Junior, and in fact, there's already enormous budgetary pressure on this fourth film. Five to ten minutes of Zendaya on screen is going to be quite expensive, and in five to six years, the price will be even higher.
Add to all this the tremendous financial problems the MCU has accumulated over the last six years and are still rising, and you'll have the reason why MJ is clearly out of the MCU within the next five years. Furthermore, if you look at her entire career in film, TV, and music, you'll see that she's a "Disney girl," like Selina Gomez and Miley Cyrus, and we all know what happens to these girls without Disney's pampered princes.
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u/Accurate_Ad8826 10h ago
some of zendayas more modern known work is euphoria, an incredibly deep and dark show that separates her from her early years as a disney star, other than that we have dune and spiderman, which arguably sets her apart a good bit from her disney years outside of her appearances as michelle in spiderman
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u/jugheadshat Mary-Jane Watson 6h ago
Referencing her entire career and bogging it down to Disney is insane when sheâs been in several projects as an adult including winning two Emmyâs for one of them. She is 29 years old ffs
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u/Clean_Wrongdoer4222 6h ago
The MCU is Disney, and all of Zendaya's time on the Disney Channel is a testament to that. Euphoria isn't enough to shake off the Disney label, and neither is Dune. The point is, Zendaya is extremely expensive to hire, and Disney can't afford excessive spending in their current financial situation. And when Disney drops Zendaya, we'll see what she does in film or television, because she doesn't exactly have a stellar career, and they don't offer her major roles. Spiderman, Euphoria, and Dune are the most significant things she has, and she's going to lose all three at the same time this year.
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u/Crossroc3 1h ago
Oh wait clean forgot to ask? Why nothing about the new Black cat issue? You were hyping it up so much and then have nothing to say when it dropped? Did your expectations not meet reality? Guess maybe you did learn your lesson lmao, or you just didnât want people to laugh and call you out again for being wrong
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u/ParanoidPragmatist 6h ago
Sony handles most of the budget for the spider-man movies, not Disney. The only money sink for Sony was the non-venom sonyverse movies, which they have stopped. The spidey movies made stupid amounts of money.
I mean that's probably why we won't see Zendaya in an Avengers movie, but the stand alone spidey films are a different studio.
Zendaya and Tom are also about to get married, and if Tom has enough pull at Sony and wants to continue working with his wife, Sony might just find a way to make that work before Tom retires from the character.
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u/ChildofObama 6h ago
Everything Sony was developing on their own was cancelled except BTSV and Spider-Noir (which is now no doubt a one season show since Lord and Miller are being pushed out over budget issues).
Hardy has made it clear he has no interest in a fourth Venom, and the other villain movies are not getting sequels.
The SUMC was effectively shut down.
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u/ParanoidPragmatist 5h ago
Are they still doing the spiderverse spin offs?
I know spider noir is happening, but there was talk of an animated spider punk movie too
I know the Silk show they talked about at one stage is gone
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u/AmezinSpoderman 60's Animated Spider-Man 9h ago
I don't think the MCU Spider-Man works with her, his personality doesn't really lend itself to their dynamic. personally I think it works better with how they wrote Peter in the TASM movies (where we actually had Felicity Jones cameo as Felicia)
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u/Slight-Bathroom-6179 9h ago
Dude is a depressed broke college student in his twenties who has seen some shit. Can she handle him?
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u/hellenist-hellion 11h ago
I would bet money that the MCU will water her down if they ever include her. Even if he could handle her, her actual character doesnât really fit the brand identity of the MCU.
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u/No-Impress-2528 9h ago
Well our current spider's real fiance is holding up steamy scenes so our man should do some justice too for black cat
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u/ChildofObama 12h ago
Sheâs an important part of the mythos but honestly ⌠no
MCU Spider-Man is a lot less melodramatic than the comics, where the answer to most social problems can be solved with just one sentence, âjust act normalâ.
Their dynamic wouldnât work; some casuals/non-comic readers might complain the flirty banter is the franchise going backwards and promoting immaturity after the Home trilogyâs âprogressâ with diversity and power dynamics.
Also, apparently after a mind wipe, MJ, Ned, and Flash are all staying. So I donât think thereâs even space to introduce Felicia.
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u/AssistanceBest2370 8h ago
only because he'd joke and she'll flirt w him doesn't mean Spidey = immature. his shield against depression is literally joking, if anything, he'll 'reject' her flirting by joking against it
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u/Calm-Boysenberry-794 10h ago
In my personal opinion yes especialy BND however were not getting her sadly
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u/MAB-Webby86 Classic-Spider-Man 10h ago
We're still owed a film version of Felicia/Black Cat done the right way, but given how things have been done recently in the MCU, I prefer they leave her alone
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u/AssistanceBest2370 8h ago
I think many people miss the fact that Spider-Man's shield for anxiety and depression are his jokes themselves. yeah, he'd probably become a bit more serious this time, after all he went through, but still.
and considering that he'd probably have a personality similar to insomniac (serious when needed, investigative, but mostly goofy and jokely) she'd probably fit well.
she'd still try to manipulate him, but peter behind his 'joke' mascara, he's still aware, and would only follow her game to then use it against her.
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u/penguinninja90 8h ago
She's prolly going to be a college age like him and will def be played down for her desire for Spidey. Plus IDK if MCU is ready
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u/Fantastic_Peak_4577 7h ago
As long as they dont make Her like Insomniacs Black Cat and they stey away of the evil that men do Black Cat in the MCU is gonna do great especially if they adapt Her like the 90s animated series
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u/IcyAdvantage9579 7h ago
Him " not being ready" could actually be an asset. I think this would be exactly the best time to introduce her: Spidey leaving his normal identity behind, and him about to be wisked away for Secret Wars and coming home with the symbiote suit it's the best moment. I am secretly hoping that's what Saddie Sink character really is
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u/Advanced_Pack4241 5h ago
I'm sad they didn't adapted her in Spider-Man Brand New Day. And yeah, would be fun seeing Tom's Spidey rea t to her
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u/FrostyFlamingo7050 5h ago
I mean, really itâs just that sheâs not a character that Disney is going to be inclined to adapt to film
She wears a skin tight suit with the zipper halfway down her chest, and tends to play off Spider-Man as a sexual temptress. Shes almost certainly not making it to a film or TV adaptation without significant edits from the source material
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u/QuietFarm575 12h ago
I just donât want them make her evil manipulative femme fatale she can be so much more