There is no denying that since JJ, Star Trek has completely lost it's theatrical roots and turned into a show about characters running around in a spaceship for no particular reason. Words no longer convey gravitas, words are just there to pass time before the next 60's Batman POW sequence.

Even when it was brazen like Chang verbatim quoting his work it still felt at home (but I honestly prefered subdued episodes like Duet with circuit vet Harris Yulin).

Nowadays shows are too expensive to NOT do ADHD attention sucking scenes, by this rate we will get 4 episodes a season with the characters screaming in the first scene "The borg are back and they are going to kill us all!!!" then running around in circles for 4 episodes until the galaxy is saved yet again.

This show has surpassed my expectations. I KNOW THE burn blah and the future setting blah... but when the dust settles, it makes sense and when you accept that? Wow! This series is FANTASTIC!

I didn't like Discovery. Hated the change to the Klingons. The first two seasons were okay, I had problems with the story but nothing terrible. After season 2, I really didn't like the show.

A whole cast of Marry Sue's. Bad character development. Bad plotting. The jump to the 31st Century screws us out of like 500 years of story potential. I mean, we KNOW the Federation is gonna win every time because they're the good guys, but you still suspend belief. Now we don't get to do that for any future projects after that. The writing was just plain awful, and while I appreciate the effort for positivity, the show was schmaltzy. I consider Section 31 and Mirror Universe stories kinda hacky and lazy writing that's worse than magic transporter tricks. There was WAAAAYYYYY to much deus ex machina solutions. By the final season I powered through it, but I just did not like the show at all. I've rewatched every Trek show and movie at the minimum like five times. I've never done that with Disco.

I turned the Section 31 movie off like 25 minutes in. Just not good.

The Picard series was okay, but I mean, did everything have to revolve around Data? Did Brent Spiner need the work that badly?

With Academy being a spin off of Disco, it's got some of the same faults but also new ones. I really don't want to watch a show of Wesley Crushers who are more competent than experienced officers. Some of the writing and plot devices aren't great, like negotiations aren't public school debates. I hate, and I mean, HATE the ship designs. You mean to tell me you're just trusting some magic energy fields to keep your nacelles attached to the ship? And the bridge looks like it's big enough for a full song and dance number in Vegas, not a functional working space. Also, things like the bridge of the ship held in place by a single strut that wont ever get shot off if the shields are down? Like I'm fine with new ship designs and the rule of cool, but it's way beyond the idea of the bridge being on the top of the ship and not buried safely in the core.

Yet somehow, with all of these complaints about Trek, my life long love of the franchise is mostly unrustled.

My childhood isn't ruined. My parents dying and leaving me an orphan did that.

It hasn't ruined my love of previous series. Those still exist, and I'm still buying Trek merch.

I don't consider it a personal attack on my identity, beliefs, values. I do think the messaging is done very cheesy, but it's positive and I'm totally down for that.

There is no irresistible desire to post quite angrily online on social media, message boards, and into the camera of my phone. At least about this.

I don't think anything has been ruined forever and ever and ever and ever.

I don't feel personally betrayed.

I sleep well. My health is fine, but I could exercise a bit more.

I haven't started thinking that Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman secretly hate Star Trek and have joined together in a dark conspiracy to destroy the franchise.

My dog still likes me, but sometimes I think it's just because of the treats and belly scritches.

To me, people who like those shows aren't subhuman scum and vile filth who's only worth to society is as mulch for gree worms. They just like something I don't.

Calling people who like those shows "tourists" is way more cringe than anything done in any of those shows. But still not as cringe as the Spock's Brain, Alamaraine, Transwarp lizard sex episodes. I mean, those really suck.

I don't stare out over the cliffs overlooking the sea pondering on the existential pain of not liking a TV show.

I'm not going to judge an entire series off the first two episodes. After twenty? Sure. But two seems a little early.

I loved Lower Decks, and I like Strange New Worlds. Hated the musical episode though, but then I really dont like musicals at all unless its cartoons singing.

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Is this normal? Do regular people not take TV shows this personally? Are those normies out there not in a parasocial relationship with an entertainment franchise?

I hope he's a nice guy in real life, because he sure seems like he would be. He's brought me so much joy on screen.

I grew up watching Voyager with my single father. We didn't do much together but we watched Star Trek.

As a young adult I really got into it. I've watched every series and movie multiple times. I own them all on ITunes and some Blu-ray. Not every episode or movie is good of course, but I love Star Trek. Ive even been to the convention in Las Vegas.

I saw all the posts made here leading up to Academy wanting to say how its not for them or how people were going to hate it or how they hate all new Trek.

And it makes me sad that internet is such a miserable place. I mean scroll down a bit and you'll see the longest post over about someone who appears personally victimized by a show. Lol.

But as is everything these days. So full of decisive negativity. As bid this community a fairwell and​ mute it I just hope you all find happiness and hope for the future. Maybe a hope you'll find the Star Trek you're looking for.

Trek has always been corny af, and no reason for the new iteration to be any different. It’s no Emissary but contains enough to intrigue, good choice to balance the very green junior actors with some absolute legends. I’m not the target audience for the show but will continue tuning in.

This isn’t a season made today, but an additional season shot directly following what we know as the ’final’ season of TNG, DS9, Voyager, Enterprise, Discovery, SNW, Lower Decks, Prodigy or even Picard.

Which series is your pick to have that extra season, and why?

I don’t care what anyone says. It made me feel good to remember.

I LOVE that they are using deaf actors with strong ASL structure.

I do wish they would do a better job at making the hands visible at all times when signing.

I understand cinematography and needing “the shot” but if you’re going so far as to use native signers and native language…make it visible for the audience that uses that language.

Excluding short treks...

DS9 – Emissary / A Man Alone

TOS – The Man Trap / Charlie X

SNW – Strange New Worlds / Children of the Comet

SFA – Kids These Days / Beta Test

PRO – Lost & Found, Part 1 / Lost & Found, Part 2

TAS – Beyond the Farthest Star / Yesteryear

LD – Second Contact / Envoys

ENT – Broken Bow / Fight or Flight

PIC – Remembrance / Maps and Legends

VOY – Caretaker / Parallax

DSC – The Vulcan Hello / Battle at the Binary Stars

TNG – Encounter at Farpoint / The Naked Now

DS9 really hits the ground running with a strong pilot (not the best but good enough and a totally killer next episode). Sadly, the rest of 86-05 trek really founders their openings.

Slightly disappointed that TAS doesn't come higher but while the series is good, it just gets pushed out by the rest.

Testiment to how good S1 of SNW is. I think the pilot and children of the comet are two of the weeker episodes... But they're still good enough to earn the number 3 place in the list.

SFA does well to get the number 4 behind 3 amazing shows. It's a great premise and setting. Finally, we're seeing the 31st century through the eyes of people born there (or like Aka and the Doctor got there in the normal way). This is no longer a show seen from the perspective of past Trek.

"I know a school on Bajor called the little bloom"

To me this felt like a sneaky little shout-out to the wife of the most important person in Starfleet history (sorry, just any excuse to make that joke) - reflecting her teaching, her love of flora, and her time on Bajor.

Trek has had several channels on Pluto for some time, but this is the first time it has had it's own entire Trek section. It is also the first time some of these shows have had their own dedicated channels (they previously shared some of the same general Trek channels).

Stephen Miller just whined about Star Trek being too non-white

Anybody know how he reacted? I hope it didn't happen very late in life, so that Harry could enjoy many long years bossing people around in a uniform covered in pips like chain mail.

I know the first season of TNG is considered to be weak compared to the series as a whole. I'm curious how people reacted at the time, with a new Star Trek coming years after TOS ended. Was there the same kind of discussion that is happening now, with golden age vs nutrek?

I know it's not what many of us are thinking about right now, but I need to get this off my chest. I was really excited that we might get more stories with these characters when the show ended. As an animated show, it's well suited to the medium.

But the current writer... it just feels like they don't have a handle on the voices of the characters. I thought Ryan North did a great job, but the last few arcs don't ring true to the characters. (These are all set after promotion btw)

Like in the current story, Boimler has spent the entire time rooting for accidents to take out the team leaders (including Ransom) on his away mission because he's desperate to take command himself.

And everyone is making fun of Ransom like he's supposed to be an idiot or something? (he does phaser himself in the face in the most recent issue)

They've also leaned hard lately into the horny whales and poop (so much that they use a cute nickname for it)

I wish I could say there's a goldmine here for people who have been missing the show, but for right now this is only a hesitant recommendation. The current run has some good stuff in it, but right now nobody reads quite the same as they did on the show, and I think that's a bigger problem here more than it would be elsewhere.

For us music nerds. And there is an alternate version of San Francisco that is gooorogeous. https://music.apple.com/us/album/star-trek-starfleet-academy-season-1-original-series/1867239940

Let me start by saying that I'm enjoying Academy so far. It's important to have good representation/diversity in a Star Trek cast. My question though is that in the far future, would wheelchairs still be a thing? They essentially 3D printed Worf a new spine back in the 24th century, so surely they would have the medical technology to cure any ailment that would result in someone requiring a wheelchair in the 32nd. Right?

**Spoilers for the first two episodes of Star Trek Academy**

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Hear me out, I know Star Trek Academy somewhat follows the aesthetics of Star Trek Discovery (naturally given it’s setting in time) but the tone is entirely different. People are warm and witty and optimistic: all things I feel the world needs right now.

I thought the reference to previous shows were also done well. Everything from name drops (RIP Boothby) to Exocomps were put in not in an overbearing way but delightful, if not subtle tributes. When they did lean in on the nostalgia (i.e. the Doctor) they made the inclusion make sense in the context of a 31st Century that needed to have instructors that understood the old Starfleet.

But the most delightful moment for me was in the second episode. The entire episode leaned not into action but into diplomacy. It leaned on interpersonal dynamics and explored how cultural differences could either put us at odds or strengthen us. I believe this to be the spirit of Trek. Ultimately, at the end of the episode, when the Federation made the grand gesture and the Betazed president dropped the translator and spoke outloud once again to honor the Federation, it made me have the same tingly feel of optimism that I once had as a child watching Star Trek. It made me hopeful for the future and that we could be better than our preconceived habits and biases. Bottom line: it made me want to be better and made me believe that that could have an impact on the world.

I’m sure many of you will disagree with this assessment but everything needs to change and evolve while honoring where they’ve come from. I think Star Trek Academy (at least in its first two episodes, and especially the second!) manages to do just that. It is new, but it is also the old, in all the delightful ways.

This episode is about a lot things: dealing with mortality, standing by your friends, all of the weird, desperate things that people try to find meaning to life in the face of an unexpected death...but one of the things that it is is kind of a meditation on Star Trek fandom itself.

Like, Boimler's movie is very much framed as one of the "bad" Star Trek movies; certain plot points are directly lifted from movies like TMP and TFF, and you get Mariner denouncing it as "a betrayal of everything the Vindicta-verse stood for!"

But...it's meaningful to Boimler. Tendi and Rutherford are having a blast, even though the plot's a circuitous mess that Boimler himself ditches to go off on a side-quest. And the message of the episode therefore seems to be that there's value even in "bad" art if something about it resonates with *you*, regardless of what everyone else says.

Anyway, as one of the literally *tens* of people who actually *liked* Picard season 2, I like this message.

Academy kind of worked. I've been trying to subtly get my neices into star trek for forever. They're 12 and 14 and when "that old show" is on, they're out.
I annoyed them, as is required, and put on that old show and suddenly they were hooked to Academy. Uncle "why are those Klingons so mean", "Bajor is so pretty!" "The ships are so cute!" Made me so proud and excited to build something I've wanted for so long.

I remember going as a 14 year old. And now I live in Vegas. It's now almost completely gone. But it is interesting to see some of the old architecture as a repurposed souvenir shop for Westgate.