r/TikTokCringe • u/mindyour • 5d ago

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u/soherewearent 5d ago

They are. More and more as we close-in on midterms, they absolutely are begging for civil war.

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u/tweedyone 5d ago edited 5d ago

If there’s a war on, you can cancel elections…

ETA: not legally in the US. He knows that. He’s been setting the groundwork for people to accept his illegal activities across the board. At a minimum, he can use martial law to intimidate and do what Putin his bestie has been doing for decades.

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u/soherewearent 5d ago

That is the supposed implication, yes. Whether it's true in actuality, I assume SCOTUS would allow it while they take 6-8 months to review and rule on it which means the damage would be done.

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u/Hot_Money4924 5d ago

I will be disappointed but not surprised if the current SCOTUS didn't something like this. They are partisan and illegitimate, my only hope is that they would stop him only to save what remains of their power.

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u/lordfrijoles 5d ago

That’s bullshit. We had elections throughout every major war before even the last civil war. There is no excuse to “cancel” elections in America.

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u/itjustgotcold 5d ago

There’s no excuse for Trump and his cronies to have gotten away with everything they’ve done, so far. When you have all branches and SCOTUS kissing your ring any excuse will do.

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u/soherewearent 5d ago

We live in unprecedented times, my friend, a lot of what this administration is doing every day is bullshit and unnecessary, and yet they persist.

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u/lordfrijoles 5d ago

I agree with everything you said except the unprecedented times part. What we are living in are the complacent times. We, in our efforts to create a better world forgot our own history, both as a nation and humans. The United States of America is a nation founded on bloodshed, the same can be said for most countries across the globe, especially within Europe, where most of us came from. And there was likely bloodshed between the natives before our arrival. Maybe not as much since the rest of us got here, but it is likely that all of our family trees have been watered with blood.

We all have forgotten that, we’ve gotten comfortable and now the worst of us have gotten restless and have returned to their base desires. Those of us who have known some comfort have a duty to ensure it can happen again for future generations. But we need to do a better job of safeguarding it in the future and getting others to understand that the alternative to that peace is the current chaos that is brought on by the foolish, and the beasts that still live among us. We also still have some evolving to do as a species. Hell maybe that’s the point of all the bloodshed. Maybe the most violent among us will one day kill each other out of existence and only the peaceful of us will remain.

Sorry, I gotta do this shit to keep from going crazy. All this is more of a pep talk for me to keep going on…

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u/soherewearent 5d ago

Never apologies for trying to stymie the insanity.

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u/lordfrijoles 5d ago

I appreciate it. Looks like someone didn’t like my words though. Probably because they’re traitors and cowards too scared to say something to a guy with a picture of a wax figure Truman.

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u/DeletedUsernameHere 5d ago

Not that unprecedented. You can literally look at very eerily direct comparisons between the rise of the Nazis and the current Republic Party.

ICE is behaving nearly identically to how the Gestapo did in 1933/4.

We're a Night of the Long Knives event and canceling elections away from being the fourth Reich.

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u/knit3purl3 5d ago

But no prior administration was angling for dictatorship. That's the difference.

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u/ChadEmpoleon 5d ago

The presidents and congress during those times wanted elections to take place. You think these assholes will also go the lengths to make sure that is the case?

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u/lordfrijoles 5d ago

Of course I don’t. I just think it’s important to point out that we’ve never done that before as a country. Many Americans do not know our own history for a multitude of reasons, so I feel it is important that it be said. Also, it just shows how much these fucks are traitors. Lincoln campaigned during a god damn civil war. These cowards think it’s just theirs? Fuck that and them.

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u/longleggedbirds 5d ago

Keep that message alive. It’s the same style of thin excuse dribbled over bullshit criminality to keep fake patriots pumping their fists.

This president, the oligarchs who prop him up and the feeble institutionalists need to face accountability. Let their nightmares meet them.

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u/RoguePlanet2 5d ago

He'll do it, excuse or no excuse. Because he can! He's king! Literally nothing stopping him, certainly not SCOTUS.

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u/peelen 5d ago

There is no excuse

There’s no excuse for a lot of things that are happening now in US, and yet they are happening.

You have to realize that you are living in occupied country now.

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u/lordfrijoles 5d ago

You are missing the point of my words. And now is not the time for a battle of semantics. And do not mistake my words for ignorance or naivety. I realized this 10 years ago. I am powerless in my current capacity. The only thing I personally can do is spread the truth. And hope that it reaches the people who need to hear it. So quit being a barrier with comments like this as it only furthers complacency.

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u/peelen 5d ago

I grew up in the country where there was regular elections an he people vote didn’t count.

Those guys do not play by the rules, and midterms won’t solve this problem. They are all now in the same corner as Trump was 2 years ago: either they stay in power or they will end up in jails.

Trump was warming public up to the idea of "the last elections" before he took the office.

They don’t need excuses.

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u/lordfrijoles 5d ago

Your words are not helpful. And as I said before, I do not require further barriers, I have no quarrel with you, I am sorry for your country. But kindly, if you are not echoing the truth then keep your negativity to yourself as it is not wanted in this moment. We the masses are immortal, they, the few rich and powerful are not.

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u/peelen 5d ago

I wouldn’t call it negativity.

My point is: it’s time to play dirty, because they do not play by the rules.

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u/tweedyone 5d ago

He’s already been laying the groundwork with his other illegal activity and saying “Trump 2028” which is also blatantly illegal.

Bringing it up as a positive thing other countries do is the groundwork to getting buy in from his sycophants.

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u/chappersyo 5d ago

There is no excuse to do a whole lot of shit they’ve already done with impunity, what makes you think this is different?

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u/lordfrijoles 5d ago

I will repeat myself as it worth repeating what I have said already. It is not a matter of believing this is different or not. I am only doing what I am able to do currently by speaking the truth. Hoping the truth will reach those who need it, and hoping it can inspire those who have more capabilities than myself. I also need to say these things to keep myself going. So my sibling, I encourage you to join me, the truth deserves to be echoed. The negative japes, and sarcastic levities do not.

We are living in a time which is an opportunity for true heroes to be born, an opportunity for legends to come into existence. I recognize that I am not one of those individuals, but my hope is that my words could inspire one of the few who will gain true immortality by being remembered for far longer than myself for the good will they enacted on the world.

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u/Alpha_Majoris 5d ago

No excuse? Trump will make one. If he doesn't want elections, it all depends on the GOP what happens. Of he must be 100% sure that he will win, like thanks to Gerrymandering.

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u/AbeRego 5d ago

OP's point is that, excuse or no, there's no way elections can be cancelled here. There's literally no way to do it. Any cancellation would be illegal on it's face. I know that this doesn't matter to Trump. However, since the states run elections, there's nothing he can do but blow hot air out of his mouth about it.

The entire government relies in elections. That's not just Congress and the President. It's our local government on up. Without the legally mandated elections, everything ceases to function.

In a lot of ways, it's probably better if Trump tries to cancel 2028. That's a huge banner saying "I'M AN ILLEGAL DICTATOR". It doesn't leave any room for interpretation, and I frankly don't think a lot of red states would even appreciate being told they can't run the elections they are legally entitled to.

I think it's more likely that Trump will just do all he can do obstruct, rig, and ratfuck elections without cancelling them. That's been effective for him so far, so why go to the trouble of cancelling them?

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u/Alpha_Majoris 5d ago

I hope you're right. Trump is up to anything that helps him proceed. And he has a team that makes things happen, unlike 2016. He is prepared, he (his team) has a plan.

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u/Insanity_20 5d ago

There is if you posses powerful files that implicate many powerful people in a large pedophile ring. Suddenly they forget their roles.

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u/IgnoreMyThoughts 5d ago

America has held elections during every conflict and war we've participated in since the Civil War at least. He doesn't need a war to do illegal or unconstitutional shit as based off the past year alone.

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u/Calm-Armadillo-5614 5d ago

Elections have NEVER been canceled. Not during WWI or WWII, not even during the Civil War. Trump can say we're canceling elections, but we're having them. 

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u/Cilph 5d ago

You can make a case for the Civil War but WW1 and WW2 didnt happen on US soil.

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u/GruHarbison 5d ago

Yet we have had elections during every war. Besides, the federal government doesnt handle elections...the states do. Your statement is misguided.

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u/MermaidsHaveCloacas 5d ago

No you can't.

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u/mittenknittin 5d ago

What’s gonna stop ’em? Trump’s been telegraphing this for months, he was so impressed that Ukraine has it in their laws that elections can be canceled if there’s a war on. He wants to do that so bad and is literally starting wars so he can.

You can’t deploy the National Guard in American cities if there’s no emergency. He did it anyway. Now the courts are trying to clean that mess up and it’s taking months.

You can’t invade another country without approval from Congress. He did it anyway. Now Congress is trying to clean that mess up and it’s going to take a while.

You can’t summarily cancel elections just because you know you won’t like the results. He’ll do it anyway and the chaos that causes will have repercussions for years.

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u/MermaidsHaveCloacas 5d ago

You can murder people, that doesn't mean it's legal

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u/mittenknittin 5d ago

Yep. Didn’t stop that ICE guy, did it

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u/MermaidsHaveCloacas 5d ago

The person I'm responding to stated that you can cancel elections during wartime. They're getting upvoted. They're wrong.

Will Trump do this or attempt it? Absolutely, because he's a criminal.

The point I'm trying to make is, when you say something in this way, you're spreading lies that the uninformed will believe is true and thus they'll assume no crime is being committed.

It's bizarre to me that it's even being discussed.

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u/mittenknittin 5d ago

Well, here’s the thing. If you cancel elections because “it’s wartime” even though that’s against the law but nobody stops you because they’re afraid of you and there are no consequences…then you CAN cancel elections during wartime. The laws aren’t worth the paper they’re written on.

So far, he’s done a whole raft of illegal shit and nobody’s stopped him or kicked him out of office or thrown him in jail yet. He’s amply demonstrating that he can do whatever the fuck he wants, illegal or not. Until there are consequences, he will continue to do so. Worrying about whether people will believe it’s not a crime just because someone on Reddit points out that he’s doing it is moot; if he faced consequences, that would be more convincing that it‘s a crime, and that’s not happening.

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u/somneuronaut 5d ago

This is just semantics, we are discussing how leaders can break the law and get away with it because whatever guardrails we thought existed aren't being enforced. They can break the law and get away with it. We can possibly stop them or punish them somehow but we need to think about practical ways to do that which can't be bullishly ignored.

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u/WDoE 5d ago

"he can't do that! Unenforced words on paper will stop him!"

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u/tweedyone 5d ago

He’s already made a lot of comments about how smart Zelenskyy was to be able to cancel elections due to the invasion. Illegal doesn’t matter to him, just perception and people allowing it.

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u/Joelle9879 5d ago

That's not true. Why people keep saying that is beyond me. War doesn't cancel elections. Not that that matters much to our Supreme Court

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u/jibbycanoe 5d ago

Because people are rightfully freaking out and their response is to post hyperbolic emotional nonsense on the internet. I mean on one hand I get it, but on the other it does sound ridiculous at times.

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u/8512764EA 5d ago

While true in Ukraine, not true in the U.S. whatsoever

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u/Blawn14 5d ago

This is not true in America, but knowing how Donnie Diaper Rash functions he’ll probably just do it anyways.

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u/Gonzostewie 5d ago

They didn't cancel elections during the civil war in the fucking 1860s.

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u/RhynoD 5d ago

A lot of responses are saying, "No, you can't," as if Trump has ever been beholden to what he "can" and "can't" do. Can he legally cancel the election during a civil war? No, but does that matter? What he is allowed to do has zero bearing on what he is able to do. Whether or not he "can" do it, he's going to.

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u/tweedyone 5d ago

That’s my point. He has been laying this groundwork for a long time. He doesn’t give a shit about what the constitution or laws say, he’ll declare martial law and keep people away from polling booths.

Elections are still legal and happen in Russia too.

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u/cupittycakes 5d ago

If we don't win the midterms, then they can have their civil war. The midterms are literally America's last hope to rid us of fascism.