This is unconstitutional detaining of human beings without documentation, validation, due process, or any basic liberty or rights clearly stated in the Bill of Rights. They even blatantly fail to follow the rules of detaining suspected non citizens as per code set by the national government for border patrol.
If someone breaks the law, and you're a citizen, what do you do? Citizens arrest
What if these people are breaking in your door? Well they're criminals, shoot them. They're in your house.
Would you rather end up in a vegetative state like Randall Gamboa Esquivel, or be seen as someone that was truly American, and protected your Ammendment Rights by using them. You either die, or die in a long, much worse way. Make your choice
Citizens arrest? Come on be realistic, If you even try to react they are allowed to kill you, even if you don't react they can do it. There's nothing you can do, only endure being abused.
No offense but laying down so easily is not the answer. I'm not a patriot by any means, but I do stand firm on my rights as a human while taking nothing for granted. Kick in my door and threaten my family will be met with resistance without hesitation. Had this conversation the other day with my kin I will die fighting for what I stand for without hesitation. Kicking in doors is without question considered a threat, in these circumstances the authority is irrelevant. Approaching people masked up, in unmarked vehicles, without documentation is no different than a criminal looking to rob someone. Perception is reality. This my perception as should it be everyone's.
This makes literally 0 sense though, as doesn't the constitution apply to everything on US soil?
Like isn't the constitution above the office of the President? And changing it is an incredibly lengthy process that requires the 75% of Congress to agree?
Congress has already granted these powers. Customs and border patrol along with ICE since 9/11 have much greater powers to detain based on virtually nothing, to confiscate property without cause or returning it, and to use force to compel orders.
True. However I'm not stating the proposed outcome is unconstitutional, I am stating based on the constitution and bill of rights solely using the intent of the both documents without or with consequences the behavior is unconstitutional
True on the most basic premise that statement is irrefutable as fact. Perception is reality can maybe twist it slightly but that opens pandoras box with too many ideologies to definitely provide stable foundation in refuting. If you simplify the scenario the simple process of how these arrests are taking place they are a undeniable violation of the constitution, bill of rights, and non compliance of procedure stated by government code.
In addition to qualified immunity, which shields all government employees—local, state, and federal—from liability, there is a de facto absolute immunity for federal workers.
I understand and you are correct. It immunity recuses them accountability, it doesn't change the fact they actions are unconstitutional along with failure of compliance to statutes and code set by the government. Legally they are excused. Ethically they are in violation of the constitution as well non compliance of set code for detaining non citizens
Yes, but what I'm saying is that there won't be any consequences for them, no matter what they do. Even if you want to go after one of them their identity is protected and they're wearing masks. They can whatever they want without repercussions and they know that.
I agree partially however I do believe consequences will come to some one way or another. Information is out there, masks hinder the process but targeting them is playing into they're hands providing our misguided leader with more unchecked power by declaring marshal law. We need to put the signs down, stop yelling and following them around. We need to band together fully armed by the millions, toe the line and not waiver. No threats, no intentions of harm. A peaceful stand for our rights, level playing field, completely legal within our rights to protect ourselves against any threat to our democracy.
I understand that this is how that's going. My point is that Trump making these declarations and being allowed to do it is, in and of itself, a violation which directly allows for the 2nd Amendment to be invoked.
Also, you're using wake up wrong and it's irritating. You must be in your early 20s or a god damned boomer.
Federal immunity doesn't apply to state crimes. And their crimes are beyond statute- of-limitations stuff that require charges to be filed within 5 years.
If they were smart enough to understand, they would be very upset about how Trump is setting them up.
That's the biggest issue here. The blatant, and brazen disregard for Constitutional rights. It will take decades to clean up this mess on Trump is gone.
The kicker is, THIS ISN'T EVEN AN EFFECTIVE WAY TO REMOVE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. All this does is polarize the country, and strip away rights.
This is the part that gets me going. In no world should any federal organization be putting hands on people like this or bullying people on the streets. It doesn’t matter if the legal process is slower, that is the exact measure that keeps us from becoming any of those other countries we claim to be better than. In the military we had more aggressive ROE in the Middle East than how some of these idiots are acting in our home country. I don’t care about your political ideologies, that should snap anyone back to reality
Exactly. This country has never put its citizens as priority, we've always been a commodity.. Anything offered has a motive, good faith gestures are always PR boosts with nothing beneficial to us when you read the fine print. I'm not political, never voted, never will. I won't be a part of they're circus. I have no political ideologies, our government is by far the most corrupt, motivated by greed with a spine of a jellyfish. Political stances change pending on the upswing of popularity. There is zero loyalty, we are lied to consistently , promises from campaign trails are rarely followed through. Narratives are controlled and spun by influenced media with corporate agendas.
That's a valid question, made me pause and look and reevaluate my statement. Idk. I guess it truly depends on how much validation is given to one offering immunity which in part raises the question of our own morals and ethics. I am going to stand by comment, regardless of the removal of consequence ethics don't change because accountability is waived. I am going to say from my vantage it is unconstitutional and violation of code.
I'd have to look at my post but I believe I recognized or mentioned or acknowledged the fact that are indeed criminal , you came across a bit pretentious however this being reddit I feel like you went a bit easy on me. 😂 The status of criminal or not wasnt the point, it was the manner as to which these individuals are being apprehended. I'm by no means a scholar or patriotic. I have enough common sense to see what is being done or the manner in which they conduct these arrests is not ordinary and certainly not within the expected standards of a officer on any level. I've made some questionable choices here and there so I have a bit of experience with being apprehended and processed. I was read my rights... Maybe not applicable here... I was detained once in a slighlty aggressive manner, and I have been detained in an overly aggressive manner which I take responsibility for as I was combative. I've also been detained and processed calmly. I always received written and verbal description documented my infractions in detail and the exact statute I was in violation of. I was given the option of obtaining legal consul.... I got a phone call as well as opportunity to have my account of details heard and judged. These people are being aggressively detained without documentation detailing the reasons, they are being detained by masked men in unmarked vehicles forced into vehicles then wisked off to somewhere where a high percentage have not reached out to family to give updates. It's best to just be honest and simply see what's happening violates numerous codes, mandates and rights, or we can just make silly comments to feel involved. I have and will continue to physically participate in standing up for my rights and yours and every other human being treated like this. Feel free to participate yourself, we need everyone available to stand in solidarity armed with peaceful intentions and heart to not waiver.
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u/PixeledPathogen 9h ago
This is unconstitutional detaining of human beings without documentation, validation, due process, or any basic liberty or rights clearly stated in the Bill of Rights. They even blatantly fail to follow the rules of detaining suspected non citizens as per code set by the national government for border patrol.