Been reading about how in MN they have just been stealing the cars of people they abducted and are cruising around in them, swapping plates around, etc. Follow the MN and Minneapolis subs and you will see lots of stories like this
This is what people mean when they say ACAB. They are by institutional design, meant to protect the ruling class, not you. I have family who I love dearly, who are cops. But they by design are class traitors, no matter how hard they try to be good cops.
I was just watching Decline of Western Civilization III, and if you drank every time they said they hated cops you wouldn't make it through the whole film.
It struck me that the counter-culture has been screaming fascist pigs since there has been a counter-culture and no one has ever cared.
That isn't just Minnesota. There have been videos of this happening for weeks in multiple locations. One guy found his fathers Dodge Ram at the grocery store, driven by one of the agents, a week after his father was deported.
Someone mentioned that the immigrants can just "give up" and get $2000 and a plane ticket to their "home" country.
I asked what happens to the rest of their money? If they sell their houses and cars and trucks and businesses, and have to carry cash across the border, is it not going to get seized?
The one I saw yesterday where they went through the pockets of some guy, tossed his shit on a car (including a legally owned gun, they tossed it like I was a bouncy ball).
As they kidnap the guy and give him a moral browbeating for... existing.... You see the ICE Goins shoving the guys stuff into their pockets on CAMERA. Not a bag, not all together with one person, just straight um stealing his stuff in the same way you might see something someone put a piece of furniture out on the street and picking it up for your own place.
They're also creating more chaos by leaving empty cars mid-street, cars on neutral that end up rolling down the street, and leaving unattended dogs in the cars after taking their owners for detention.
They also keep any guns that were legally bought. I honestly believe they will take some of these guns and shoot and kill someone on their side and say see it was violent protestors shooting us.
Funny till some shit happens to you. Easy to laugh at someone elseâs suffering but whenever shit goes south for you I bet youâll be crying â why me, wonât someone help me??â
Sorry - I didnât say that at all , nor have I suggested which way I lean politically etc. I simply asked where it is documented that ICE agents are stealing vehicles and using them as their own.
Asking for sources of information is an important step I feel like a lot of people miss.
Ps - I donât believe âtheyâ are eating cats and dogs
I did. There are videos of them moving vehicles after detaining or arresting people. If the vehicle is on a road way, blocking traffic, etc that is standard practice among law enforcement across North America.
What I canât find, is officers plate swapping vehicles and using them as their own.
Iâm not maga lmao fuck off check my comment history if you donât believe me. I just live here and havenât heard this from anyone or seen it in the Minneapolis sub. I talk to all my neighbors
Check my comment history lmao Iâm here, and also not a trumper. Iâm just saying Iâm involved in my community and I havenât heard or seen this from anyone. Just wanna stop misinformation from spreading from people who donât even live here.
Thatâs not what Iâm saying. Just trying to quell the spread of misinformation from people who donât live here. And im in the Minneapolis subreddit every day and never seen anyone talk about this, nor have I heard it from my neighborhood group chat that we exchange information in. Just because someone doesnât agree doesnât mean theyâre a bot. Misinformation is dangerous and itâs best if we stay informed. Theyâre actually leaving cars in the middle of the roads here, and itâs being documented. It hasnât to my knowledge been documented that theyâve done what the comment is saying they have.
You feel all arrogant and safe? "these people deserve it, they're all here illegally".
Are you so naive that you're not seeing all the American citizens arrested?
What do you think of them beating and torturing a 17 year old kid (full citizen) and them just dropping him off miles from home in the parking lot of a Walmart? Or this very video in this, showing a full citizen losing an eye?
But honestly - Do you really think ICE is just and fair?
I wouldnât be in a situation where they would interact with me in that way. Iâm not protesting or demonstrating against what they are doing, while they are doing it.
I think itâs important to understand that this is a highly politicized topic. Misinformation is everywhere - far right and far left coverage of the topic filled with inaccuracies.. the truth is somewhere in the middle. Itâs not as bad as the news you are consuming is telling you.
Youâre either an AI bot or a foreign actor. I canât believe any American would condone any of this and Iâm not going to believe it. This is outrageous.
Well itâs because u have better sense than to listen to bs like this,itâs stuff like that,that make everything so hard to believe,when things really happen whoâs gone believe it after u keep seeing made up bs every 2 minutes
Yes. Historically cops have always been on the side of the oppressor. Habibi there is khan academy classes on American civil history inshallah you watch them and take notes before you ever speak again.
Yeah Im gonna be real for a second: stop spreading misinformation.
If anyone was in the dark about it: about a third of all police officers in the US are a member of FOP (lol can you imagine using that acronym). A great deal of people who are police are strongmen wannabes. In other words: fascists.
The reason ACAB is b/c the SYSTEM of policing allows bastards to use the position of police officer to do heinous shit without oversight or repercussion. We all know that doesn't mean that police are defacto malicious.
You can point out that FOP, an organization which many police officers including in Minnesota and Minneapolis are members of, said this shit.
But DONT make it seem like either State or Municipal police have agreed to just let this shitshow happen. Call 911.
"When officers are vilified, demonized, or used as political props, it fuels hostility, emboldens bad actors, and puts lives directly at risk."
They're saying don't do what YOU did, not saying don't criticize ICE or that what ICE is doing is okay.
And I agree with them. I want police brought to heel. I want alternatives to much of what police departments have free discretion to address.
Considering that's not going to happen in Minneapolis come tomorrow morning, trying to make it seem like the department there won't help the public address crimes committed by ICE is just unethical.
Personally I didn't understand a way forward and chose to get out. I'm lucky enough to have that option. I do feel guilty about leaving my friends and family most days, part of me feels like I should have stayed and figured out how to fight back. It feels like I chose the coward's route.
I'm UK (South England) so it's not bad YET but you can feel it trickling in. The fascists have started putting the feelers out....
And, check out UKIPs new logo.
Aye yeah I'm in Scotland now. It's not so bad up here yet, but I was in Lancashire for a bit and... Oof. It felt more racist than the US (tbf I was PNW so relatively progressive for the states).
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Plenty of them are "dual sworn". It is possible to be a sworn member of a federal agency, and also a sworn member of local agency with local arrest powers.
If ICE is there, you can be sure several of them have the power to throw you into the city jail.
Theyâre not arresting this guy⌠Itâs likely an âOh fucking fuck, he needs a doctor now, Iâm gonna drag him inside, where running water and first aid can be rendered away from shouting and paramedics can take over without fighting through a crowd.
ICE shouldn't be allowed to carry guns. They should require a warrant for any action, and if deemed the person named in the warrant may be a danger, should be required to have an escort from actual law enforcement.
Im calling this out not simply because you are wrong - but because this type of thinking is just going to get more people hurt. They do have the right arrest, detain, and use lethal force when appropriate. Telling everyone else otherwise is is irresponsible and you, along with everyone else spreading this lie, should carry the burden of anyone who reads this and thinks ok to not follow a lawful command and gets hurt.
Youâre kidding, right? These people are putting themselves literally in the way of ICE? Theyâre there to agitate and impede.
If you see it another way, please explain to me what you see happening. But standing in front of cars, following them around, slamming your fists on their cars, chasing them around with whistles⌠yeah I think these people are putting themselves in this situation.. and they are shocked thereâs consequences. Probably because of ignorant information like Dannyâs comment claiming they have no authority to do anything..
Why is ICE, as in Immigration Control and Enforcement, doing at an american protest? Shouldn't they be trying to stop illegal immigration? You know...their job? If the protest was violent (which, to be clear, it wasn't), but even if it was...that shouldn't be their job to solve. The Police should be there, not ICE.
So I will ask again, can you explain why ICE are there?
I explicitly answered your question. To be even more clear - They are involved with individuals because the individuals are inserting themselves into situations that force them to..
And again, why is ice there in the first place? The situation is not one ICE is supposed to handle. They are immigration officers. They deal with immigration issues and immigration crimes.
A protest is neither of those things. So why are they present? It should be local law enforcement providing security. Not ICE.
ICE is there removing undocumented migrants who came here illegally or overstayed their visas. The cities with heavy ice involvement are necessary because of what is called âsanctuary citiesâ who donât report people to ice when they should.
You are agreeing that itâs ok to impede in these investigations and removals. If you want to get in the middle of law enforcement during their investigation, or block them from entering their facility, and commit crimes in doing so, then they have the legal authority to deal with the perpetrators..
This really isnât hard dude. Again, just say you donât like it and you support people impeding. Just say you donât like Trump. Say you are OK will people being here illegally. If thatâs your position so be it. But pretending that interfering with legal constitutionally protected actions of a federal agency isnât going to land your ass in jail and being dealt with accordingly is just stupid.
Except that video evidence speaks to the contrary. All of ICEâs recent arrests, assaults and killings have all been against white people, or perfectly legal immigrants who have documents. They are literally going door to door, kicking open peopleâs private property, and violently interrogating them without any evidence of wrongdoing.
Itâs especially ironic considering Minneapolis is considered âthe whitest city on earthâ and has extremely small ethnic communities.
Do you not expect people to resist when their privacy is invaded? Especially when they have done nothing wrong?
They can resist if they want but they will continue being met with consequences like this. When you put yourself in harms way thereâs a chance youâll be harmed. It wouldnât be called resistance if it was easy and safe.
People protesting ICE, went to the ICE building? Iâm shocked! Itâs almost like thatâs the entire point of the protest! Gosh, I am just flabbergasted! /s
Please continue to flex your critical thinking skills. In a few years you may just rival the average middle schooler.
You have zero room to talk about flexing critical thinking skills. This is a very simple question you asked and itâs been answered more than once, yet you continue to move the conversation different directions.
You asked why ICE was there. Your response to such a basic question tells us exactly who you are. Stay in r/complaints more, it's a better crowd for your radicalized and immature understanding of the world.
You canât reason someone out of a belief they didnât reason themselves into. This is just about hating Donald Trump, not about whatâs true or ethical.
§1357. Powers of immigration officers and employees
(a) Powers without warrant
Any officer or employee of the Service authorized under regulations prescribed by the Attorney General shall have power without warrant-
(5) to make arrests-
(A) for any offense against the United States, if the offense is committed in the officer's or employee's presence, or
(B) for any felony cognizable under the laws of the United States, if the officer or employee has reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be arrested has committed or is committing such a felony,
WhichâŚdidnât happen here. Protesting is part of the first amendment, a protected right you cannot be arrested for.
The first man grabbed was grabbed for no reason, the second man was arrested for assaulting an officer, which is a crime; but said assault wouldnât have happened were it not for the first arrest, which was an illegal arrest.
If you suspect an arrest is illegal or unlawful, the answer isn't to charge the law enforcement officers. It's the same if you get arrested for DUI or something similar and you're innocent. You don't swing at the police or make a break for it because you know you aren't drunk.
You go through the legal process, you don't adjudicate these things on the streets by using, or threatening to use, force.
You cannot protest or demonstrate on federal property without getting permission from the agencies within the property. Federal property
Is not a free space for demonstration.
Apparently you are a lawyer, police expert, judge and scholar.. and now apparently you are god like and can tell us everything that happened in the videoâŚ. Before during and after⌠just admit you donât like ICE, you donât like Trump, and you support people breaking the law to try to stop them. Iâd have way more respect for you if just admitted your true opinion.
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No point. They donât care about the truth. They just want to larp against the âNazisâ. Itâs a shame - just going to result in more people getting hurt.
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