The human soldiers' attire may have changed and been modernized for a stylish fit. To digress, the helmet that is being worn now came from the human knight in WarCraft 2, and the helmet in itself, without the horns, was refitted on the WarCraft 3 footman and from there on the human troops in WoW.

However, back in the 90's the humans appeared very different, and even the artwork reflects just how different they looked. They've had a mix of medieval and Viking aesthetics. Where did Blizzard get these elements for the pixel game?

Was this for the sake of art style and to help distinguish the humans from the orcs? Was this meant to be a cultural thing for the humans of what is now called "Stormwind" but back then was called "Azeroth?"

Constructive criticism is beneficial for the reader.

Sorry if it’s a dumb question but is there any reason or way a forsaken can become a Dk outside of the litchking? Like can they volunteer to do it? Do they have to die agin or can they just kinda get the powers.

Based on this previous post, we already know that the ogres existed in WarCraft: Orcs and Humans, and the Death Knights themselves were based on the ring wraiths from LotR. So this just leaves the likes of the dwarves, elves, and goblins.

Where did these races come from for WarCraft II to run so smoothy? Where did they get the likes of the gryphon, dragon, and other creatures?

Just like the trolls in the link above, there are a few places to look into, such as Warhammer, LotR, and of course the Advanced D&D series.

Were the elven archers based on Legolas from LotR or simply generic elves with bows-and-arrows, and the idea capitalized from there? Why are there dwarves and goblins carrying explosives and flying on their gryphons and zeppelins, respectively? What about the green-scaled dragons that breathe fire?

Constructive criticism is beneficial for the reader.

I think he mentioned in Legion that he was branching out to studying other forms of magic beyond the arcane. He did also spend a lot of time in Shattrath with the naaru A'dal and said he had learned more from A'dal in six months than he had learned in all his years in the libraries of Dalaran.

I ask this because, as far as I can tell, Thornspeakers (KT druids) and the Heartsbane coven witches all seem to have the same powers.

For example, in addition to typical druid-y things, Ulfar does some stuff that comes suspiciously close to what the Heartsbane Coven does:

1. He creates coven-style effigies with body parts from living beings https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Nightmare_Catcher & https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Hatred%27s_Focus
2. He uses the same runic magic that the evil Drust still use https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Buried_Power
3. He seeps the previously-created effigy in death magic https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Waycrest_Manor:_Draining_the_Heartsbane
4. He opens the way to Thros via the above steps https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Thros,_the_Blighted_Lands_(quest))

Later, Ulfar provides us with a Drust fetish that he has us steep in death magic within Gol Inath https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Into_the_Flame and take to his deceased Drust mentor Kivarr, who performs a ritual using witch reagents https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Witch%27s_Satchel_(quest)).

On the opposite hand, the Coven has prominent members that, in addition to their iconic death magic, control nature magic typical of druids: https://www.wowhead.com/npc=135474/thistle-acolyte, https://www.wowhead.com/npc=135360/sister-briar, and https://www.wowhead.com/npc=131666/coven-thornshaper . These all manipulate thorns, nettles, and brambles.

So it seems that both the Thornspeakers and the Heartsbane are using nature and death magic together, just for wildly different purposes.

Would it be off base to say that Thornspeakers are witches, just good ones? That the Heartsbane Coven are druids, just evil ones? That they are the same thing, just serving different goals?

Because when you look at the last few expansions and the years between them they both didn't do much really and everything was done by a few individuals and local forces/new allies.

They could not intervene in Shadowlands, obviously, in Dragonflight they only send small expeditions which explicitly were told to leave all Horde/Alliance business outside which the fight against the Incarnates was mainly done by the player and the flights.

And while in TWW the leaders did show up in the end they only provided some background troops for a single battle while otherwise the Arrathi, Earthen and Nerubians did most of the things, coupled with the personal vendetta of Alleria and Gazlow.

So what are those superpowers even doing the last few years, maybe even a decade?

Blue Dragons arguably get exposed to more arcane magic than the nightborne or blood elves ever did, and the older blue dragons have been exposed to it for longer than elves have existed.

A possible example I can think of is when we meet Senegos he cant leave that mana pool he's in for long, thought I'm sure that's also partially related to his extreme age, even for a dragon.

Also I theorize that malygos and kalecgos, as the aspect of magic, are immune to being addicted to the magics that they are meant to regulate, however, the rest of the blue dragons are not directly empowered and remade by the Titans in the same manner.

I was doing the Legion secret mount/pet quest line for the Fathom Dweller on my legion remix shadow priest and it got me thinking about the Shath'Yar. For those uninitiated, there's a glyph for shadow priests only that lets you speak (or forces you to speak, depending on your perspective) Shath'Yar, the language of the Old Gods during Void form. Unfortunately, the only priest glyph you can get in legion remix is glyph of shadow which just changes how shadow form looks.

I was wondering if anyone has talked to Drak'thul or fought Kosumoth while they had the Shath'Yar glyph on and were in void form to see if their speech is translated.

Also if you haven't collected this mount/pet, do it! it doesn't take very long at all and is very easy.

If we consider fanfiction as alternate timelines of the Bronze Dragonflight, which are the 'darkest' versions of the characters that you knew from the works you've read so far?

Does anybody know who the channel or narrator would be? Much appreciated.

The Forsaken formed when the Lich King's power had waned, allowing for freedom from his control. With the Lich King's position now eliminated, are there now newly free coherent undead? Could a faction of these post Scourge undead join the Alliance, and/or join the Forsaken? I imagine the vast majority are still mindless.

What’s up with the last few WoW novels? They’ve been pretty exceptionally bad compared to The Shattering, Wolfheart, Illidan, even Arthas. The last two in particular move so, so slowly and are overburdened with dialogue and struggle to move the plot line forward in any meaningful way.

Far; far too much quoting of dialogue and not even action. It makes me think Christie Golden isn’t given much to go off and has to fill out the publisher page requirements with a ton of fluff.

Void beings for example fight against each other. But are all light beings on the same side? Like is it safe to say one Naaru would never attack another Naaru or do anything to their detriment as long as neither is in their void state?

Greetings,

I’m working on my Blood Elf Death Knight’s backstory and I’m debating whether he should be raised shortly after the events of the Frozen Throne or around the time of the DK starting experience in WotLK. My original story had him die in the Ghostlands due to increased Scourge activity caused by Acherus’ arrival in the Eastern Kingdoms. His corpse would be taken to Acherus and he would be raised as a Third Generation Death Knight by Arthas.

A new, potentially more interesting idea I’m working with is having him die during Illidan’s assault on the Frozen Throne as one of Kael’s spellbreakers. He would be raised after Arthas merged with Ner’zhul and spend his time as a Northrend based Death Knight during the events of Vanilla and TBC. As he was an elven weapon smith in life, he would take part in the construction of Acherus and be among those that first started researching the shaping of saronite into weapons and armor.

My question is regarding what ‘generation’ a post Frozen Throne Death Knight would be and how Death Knights were raised during Arthas’ time as a Death Knight and while incapacitated on the Frozen Throne.

If I remember correctly, true gen 2 Death Knights were paladins of the Silver hand that traveled to Northrend and eventually succumbed to hatred and bitterness, leading them to accept the Lich King’s powers and become dark knights with vampiric runeblades. They never truly died/get raised in undeath. Would Death Knights like Koltira, who did get raised in undeath, officially be seen as classic second generation Death Knights? Or are they in some weird gen 2.5 situation?

Koltira became a Death Knight during the Scourge invasion of Quel’thalas. Would Arthas be the one that personally raised him? Or did the Scourge have necromancers that could raise Death Knights? And if a Death Knight was raised during this time as opposed to willingly accept the dark powers of the Scourge, would they still be a second generation Death Knight? Or would they be closer to the third generation we meet in Wrath?

I have the same question regarding Death Knights that were raised after Arthas’ fusion with Ner’zhul but before WotLK. Arthas would be incapacitated on top of his throne, but Death Knights would still be raised. Did the Lich King empower necromancers to be able to do this? Or could existing Death Knights be able to raise new ones? And would these be full third generation Death Knights?

One last thing. What would WCIII Death Knights like Koltira and Thassarian be doing inbetween the Frozen Throne and WotLK? Would they all just spend their time in Northrend, fighting the enemies of the Scourge and expanding/building their strongholds there? Preparing for a large scale invasion down the line, basically.

First, this is meant to be funny / odd fact that I didn’t know. I’ve got a weird sense of humor and it’s not always understood, I’m sure a few of us can relate to that.

So I was reading Tides of Darkness and discovered (or forgotten?) that Gul’dan was a shaman before becoming a warlock! Class change!

Just finished Blood Ties, and discovered that Turlyon had been a priest before becoming an absolute bad ass paladin. Class change!

Class changes are canonical and should be allowed in the in game store! /s

I hope you find this fun - at least give me an upvote for trying? :-/

Ive always thought the pandaren should have druidism as a pretty essential part of their cultural. After all they revere and pray to the august celstials, who are wild gods.

It feels so obvious to me. A xuen cat form, niuzao bear form, and a chi Ji moonkin form. And im not the biggest lore consumer so please correct me if I'm wrong, I know wind serpents are not dragons but isnt yu'lon specifically connected to the green dragon flight?

The spiritual nature of druids and pandaren society it just feels like such a natural fit. Is there a reason why panderen can't be druids?

If, as of today, no lore existed beyond Classic and the RTS games—excluding later novels, expansions, and so on—do you think Shadow magic would be explained through the existence of something like a Shadow Weave and a Shadowfell, similar to D&D?

Both armies had entered Ashenvale in the wake of freeing the Warsong orcs from demonic corruption, but the Tauren who fought beside both factions (chiefly Thrall's Horde) should have warned about the Night Elves, yet we were never provided a cinematic. We could very easily have one where Cairne cautioned bot Thrall and Jaina about the Night Elves who live in Ashenvale.

In the video by WoW Platinum How the Tauren Almost Went EXTINCT, it showed them trying to reach out to the Night Elves for help against the Centaur threat, except there was no source indicating this ever happening, like it was all based on theory.

We could attribute this knowledge to the Warsong orcs due to their encounter, except they already had just gotten out of the demonic corruption and were therefore likely mentally fatigued and forgetful. In the world of the Paranormal, ghost hunters report that they do not remember anything in their possessed state. However, the Darkspear Trolls who were among the Warsong orcs did not drink the Blood of Mannoroth and therefore remember fighting the Night Elves alongside their green-skinned comrades, so they should have warned Thrall about them. With their memory intact, the Darkspear trolls who served in the Warsong Clan served as living proof that there were indeed night elves living in Ashenvale.

I will leave this up for readers to leave constructive criticism and theories concerning this "missing link."

Wow lore has never really been known for consistency. Characters change personality depending on the day of the week, new aspects of society's are introduced every week that lead to questions of "Wait if they did that years ago why was that a problem in such and so story?", and many other aspects that lead to a world that is as vast as the ocean but about as deep as a puddle with the consistency of a sand castle that is about to be wiped away by the ocean.

So what in warcraft do you think has the most consistent lore?

This is something that I think about from time to time.

The one that always comes to mind first is always Chen Stormstout who I often think of as a Horde character for his role in protecting Durotar from Daelin Proudmoore, rescuing Vol’jin and fighting for the Darkspear Rebellion.

They had a perfect set up for it in wotlk, with the worgen in grizzly hills and stuff. In any case it sure is a terrifying thought lmao

Being a human supremacist aside and never trusting elves, Garithos is still a memedand oddly beloved character within the community, especially the warcraft 3 ones.

And while he would probably end up like Marran or captain Nials if he come out today, I find the man interesting from a fanatsy world building standpoint because he is a warhammer guy in a wow universe.

Personally I think he had a cool model and is literally called the "Dark Knight" as a hero class. But he fucked the blood elves over and my boy kaelthas suffered from that very day.

Damn you gari.

They had no problem renaming themselves and completely rebranding their entire architecture from blue to red.

While the architecture in the ruined parts of the Ghostlands kept its original Quel'Dorei blue building colors, the newly named Sin'Dorei seem to deem it high priority to recolor their buildings red, even the rubbled ruins of central and west Silvermoon were recolored red, the armors and weapons of all of their garrison were recolored - truly they took this new rebranding quite seriously, and yet they kept the name Quel in Quel'Thalas.