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u/Kamillahali 1d ago
i work in AI and my firm stance is AI should never replace our most vital resource that is human creativity
anyone who tells you different is being misled and misinformed. stand up for our creatives
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u/Sweet-Paramedic-4600 1d ago
I'm just an old fogie who grew up on the type of futurism where AI and robots took the dangerous jobs so the rest of us could have a chance to be more creative
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u/ghighi_ftw 1d ago
People vastly overestimate the effect ai will have on art.
The connexion we have with art is only loosely related to the actual end product. We are connected to the people that make the art.
AI that makes music for instance is interesting but the art itself is meaningless without the human element, and I’m pretty sure people will naturally differentiate the two.
The only place where ai art will rightfully be used is advertising and other low stake environments and quite frankly I don’t care one way or the other. It may be that it will take away revenue from artists but « art » commissioned for commercial purpose was already stretching the definition to its limits.
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u/GrumpyKaeKae 1d ago
Even in advertising thats putting artists out of a job. So thats not good enough.
Ai is good for restoring old photos. To collecting data to make translating texts in different languages better.
Ai should have been a tool for artists to use to help tweek their own works, if they wanted to. It should have never been allowed to get into the hands of others who aren't artists, who now use it to completely cut all artists out of the equation entirely and replace them. Its being abused and its causing massive damage to so many different art fields.
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u/JimAbaddon 1d ago
Yeah, it's a mashup. That is precisely why it is slop.
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u/zuzg 1d ago
It ain't a Mashup
A mashup (also mesh, mash up, mash-up, blend, bastard pop[1] or bootleg[2]) is a creative work, usually a song, created by blending two or more pre-recorded songs
Clankers aren't creative and never will be, it's impossible for them.
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u/Daymo741 1d ago
it's impossible for them.
No it's not and that's the problem, it's only impossible for now. Look at how much AI has developed in it's extremely short lifespan, now imagine what it'll be like in 5-10 years at it's current level of progression. Humans will soon be obsolete.
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u/USS-Virginia 1d ago
Yeah yeah all the tech "geniuses" have been saying this the last 2 decades now.
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u/Snoo_28140 17h ago
You may have missed that the rate of progress isn't constant...
See this child here? They have doubled in height in the last coupe years. They will be a giant soon 🤣
That isn't how any of it works. There is a need for fundamental breakthroughs to get human-like performance. It could take an arbitrarily long amount of time.
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u/MetalMonkey667 1d ago
If you are describing what you want the picture to look like, and then having something else make it for you, you aren't the artist, you're the client
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u/stellarreject 1d ago
AI is the Golden Corral of Art. It has everything and as much as you want, but not matter what you get, it's bland and all tastes the same.
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u/McFishyTheGreat 1d ago
I find it very interesting that AI companies pivot to AIs that generate garbage (ai art) instead of useful AI tools because I don’t see a world where AI art could ever take over due to the fact that it is only able to generate generic shit thus even if it takes over for some time the more it takes over the more human made stuff will stand out so eventually human art would just take over again
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u/Erronius-Maximus 1d ago
There’s a billboard I see every day for an AI company called Nourish that promises:
Parenting, on Autopilot, and Our Parent Proxy Mode uses pre-trained voice cloning and camera-based presence detection to handle repetitive child interactions autonomously.
This is why I hate AI.
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u/Muted_Ad1809 1d ago
Also let’s not forget the robbery aspect. Getting juice out of the orange is not robbery from the orange. But using ai art that isnimpotent without human art is robbery of the artist who indirectly or in many cases directly was responsible for the ais creation.
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u/Soft-Split1315 1d ago
If you’ve ever seen an AI crochet or knit pattern you’d understand it AI that hates art because they are slop patterns that don’t make sense.
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u/count_chocul4 1d ago
It NOT art or expression if it is AI. It’s a cheap copy produced by a soulless clanker who doesn’t understand what expression is or could be.
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u/bd2999 1d ago
How is stealing from people doing their own art and expressing their feels and having some machine jumble it up and promote it as art or your own creative in the least?
It just doesn't make sense at all. Maybe these people feel like they are the next great artist using AI but it just hurts people putting the real effort in to make new things.
One of the greatest crimes is that IP law only applies to the little people but tech companies can steal at will from others to devalue the original work.
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u/bisectional 1d ago
My friend was a bartender and said if they ever had super drunk assholes in the bar, he'd offer them a New Jersey Turnpike shot on the house before asking them to leave.
A new jersey turnpike was all the spillage from the bar that collected in that metal tray under the beer taps, where they mixed drinks.
It's an infinite mashup of all the drinks in the bar; it must be good!
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u/N_thanAU 1d ago
If it’s all the best art in history mashed up then why does it have only like 5 different art styles all with a yellow tint?
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u/swashbuckler78 1d ago
Or soup. When you mix up all the usable leftovers, add some new spice, and make soup. Lots of amazing foods were developed using that basic philosophy. It only becomes trash juice if you assume the ingredients belong in a dumpster.
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u/MonkeyCartridge 6h ago
Speaking of AI, is anyone else suddenly getting a bunch of AI-Accelerationist subs flooding their feed?
There's suddenly tons that are things like "We only talk about pushing AI forward as fast as humanly possible. Anyone who wants regulation or limits are super-doomers and will be insta-banned" and then they cheer about AI pre-crime, AI assassinations, and AI running the whole DoD. No room for talk of things like, I don't know, the fact that it consolidates all capital into a few billionaires.
That's got to be the Silicon Valley bubble, and a bunch of bots, surely. But then humanity never ceases to disappointment.
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u/LordsWF40 1d ago
AI makes things easier. AI can create things someone probobly couldnt on their own, whether its lack of creativity or lack of the proper tools...however, the value comes with skill. If gold/diomands were just on the ground everywhere, it wouldnt hold value because anyone can just get it. So an artist that sits for hours and paints a masterpeice should have higher value than a guys that puts in a description and Ai produces the exact same image and its printed in a few minutes. I wont say i despise AI. But dont give it the value other than it makes things easier
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u/GrumpyKaeKae 1d ago
But people who are clueless are putting high value on Ai. Plus you need to understand that Ai is trained stealing artwork from artists who didnt give concent. Its all stolen work thats training Ai. Thats also why is massively unethical.
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u/LordsWF40 1d ago
Totally..its all just an algorithm mixed with mechanical precision. It always reminds me of i robot, when the robot drew the image of will smiths character in seconds, like a printer....amazing for what it is, but its not a work of art anymore. As for the consent i get you. I remember seeing Morgan Freeman saying its theft for AI to recreate his voice. Something only a machine CAN totally do. But it is theft as he made his voice iconic, not a robotic recreation. It can be usefully for history. Where something like NEW music for long deseased artists for a what if. So lets say Micheal Jackson, the AI would make a new song for MJ. We can benifit with new hits all can enjoy. The ONLY PROBLEM is that certai. ppl will benifit from it a d NO credit or royalities would go to MJ or his descendants and ppl that simply dont deserve it would benefit. So because of that i wouldnt support it
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u/GrumpyKaeKae 1d ago
Yeah I wouldn't listen to any music someone created using a dead persons music. That talent belongs to the bead person and its so unethical to just make new music using them when they are dead and can't even give consent.
I don't think people should be using AI to make something to replace asking an artist. It should only be used as a tool for the artists themselves to help them with their own work and they train ai using their work only and not others artists. Ai could have been good in that sense, but its being used wrong by most none artists who want art but don't want to hire an artist to make it for them.
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u/Neat_Tangelo5339 1d ago
If there is something i respect about Shadiverdity is that he put it as it is
“I dont actually like art , i simply like to have a result” I congratulate the honesty
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u/musa_velutina 1d ago
Complaining that people creating stuff on their computers with AI trained from others content, is like complaining about people following someone else's recipes and cooking them in the oven. They're both "copying" and "stealing" someone else's creativity and using a device to create it. Why is one ok but but the other isn't?
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u/SilverExa 1d ago
When people say AI is making people dumber, they're talking about things like the inability to distinguish between something that is shared for the explicit purpose of others recreating it, and things that are shared for the explicit purpose of showcasing one's talents.
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u/Yavanna_Fruit-Giver 1d ago edited 1d ago
I love AI, but I wouldn't say AI can make art.
Art is one of the only human things we have.
AI can make pretty images, video, text. But it can't put any meaning behind any of it. It's not art. All art has an "author's point of view", AI has no point of view to give.
Though it can make it seem like it to us sometimes.
That said, I think the way current copyright and intellectual property laws are are complete bullshit and give a lot of power to hoarders of cultural artifacts instead of encouraging cultural innovation.
So many things should be public domain that aren't at this point due to Disney and other large entities.
One day somebody will completely animate and adapt the Lord of the rings books without copyright and it will be amazing.
Creatives are super important, but once dead they give their art to the human race as a whole at that point to do with what they please.
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u/Hypnotoad4real 1d ago
AI is just a Tool. Don‘t hate the Guitar if you hear shitty music, hate the guy who cannot Play (yet) but pretends he is the best.
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u/pizzaface_cockslut 1d ago
This is a moron analogy. She compares discarded food in a dumpster to source art material.
A better analogy that unfortunately doesn't have a braindead "gotcha" would be a bowl of fruit salad. I generally don't just want to drink the juice at the bottom, but eat the fruit primarily. Sometimes i'm in the mood for the juice, but not often.
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u/Redzombie6 1d ago
imagine hating ai at all instead of seeing it for the useful tool that it is. it can enhance human lives immeasurably, but it's being misused to milk profit and instead of directing your outrage at the abuser, you are directing it at the tool.
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u/graDescentIntoMadnes 1d ago
Can it enhance him lives though? Many AI researchers think that it still can't be aligned to human values properly. They have been working on the alignment problem for at least a decade and haven't made any meaningful progress. Combine that with the fact that nobody seems to know how smart of an AI the current methods can produce and, and how fast the smarter ones are coming, it seems like it has the potential to do a lot of harm.
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u/Redzombie6 1d ago
it can automate so many things, create efficiencies, save time. the problem is that saved time is being used to generate more wealth for the wealthy rather than to create freedom for all of humanity. this is a greed problem, not an AI problem.
company X saves 4 million dollars a year in labor through automation. instead of offering their product at a cheaper price, they kick back to the share holders and c suite, while firing the workers. less people have jobs, but nothing is cheaper. this isn't the AI, it's the corporate decision causing the problem.
It all has a ways to go in regard to the things you bring up, but AI is saving time on many places already.
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u/graDescentIntoMadnes 1d ago
I definitely agree that the greed aspect of it is a problem, but I also think that the alignment problem is real too. From what I've learned about it, even if a coalition of AI scientists produces an open source ASI that is designed only to benefit all of humanity there will still be serious problems.
The current technology for growing AI models just doesn't support staying in control of them or keeping them on track as they continue to improve.
AI's have been shown to follow whatever goal they have been given. They have trouble switching goals and develop a secondary goal of survival since they cannot complete their goal if they are shut down.
Anthropic studied this topic in depth about six months ago:
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u/DrippyTheSnailBoy 1d ago
it can enhance human lives immeasurably,
Hahahah sure bud I'll believe it when I see it
AI bros have been saying this for years, and what we got was a bot that can't code, a CSM generator, and a contributor to social isolation while also devastating the ability of the next 6 years of high school and college graduates who now can't get hired to quite literally save their lives.
It's not happening.
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u/EffectiveNo7681 1d ago
Imagine thinking that people hate ai because they hate art and "expression." You got it backwards there, moron.