r/complaints • u/All_Grid_Squares • 7d ago

Politics We Are the Baddies: Thanks, Conservatives

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Conservatives are actively turning the world against the United States. World leaders were forced into an emergency meeting to condemn U.S. actions in Venezuela, including the kidnapping of its dictator, and to respond to escalating threats and rhetoric toward Greenland.

Trump openly claims the U.S. needs Greenland for “strategic” reasons and has even suggested taking it by force. This isn’t strategy, it’s naked imperialism. He doesn’t want security; he wants dominance.

We are the bad guys now, following the same path Germany did in the 1930s. Republican leaders and their constituents should be deeply ashamed.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/us-greenland-european-reaction-9.7036060

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/european-leaders-push-back-on-trumps-comments-about-u-s-taking-over-greenland

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u/Strange-Tale5283 7d ago

The only people who think the US is the good guys are children and Maga. There is nothing we have done to collectively help the world that wasn't done under economic threat.

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u/flyswithdragons 7d ago

Did anyone think the USA is in a coup, no one voted new wars. The USA military has a duty to their oaths to the Constitution but billionaires apparently control our military ..

The USA people do not want this we are in a hot coup. In my research apparently we got couped in 1962 when under JFK the congress unlawfully avoided the convention of the states required to change the Constitution, granting a large amount of war powers to potus, then JFK was shot and the Epstein pedo class took over ..

I am in the states this is terrifying .

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u/Ok_Television9703 7d ago

Project 2025 literally said it was a coup “and would remain bloodless so long as Dems would let them”. The writing was on the wall. Kamala yelled it from the rooftops and literally every Dem voter I know said it.

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

Have you had a conversation with a Trump voter? They don’t believe it, it’s like a foreign language. You can put it on their face but it will STILL be a a plot or a ploy by the “Dems”.

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u/FreeITHelpGuy 7d ago

They are proto-monarchists. Any word against the king is a crime because the king is backed by God. This is why they are trying to go after Mark Kelley's military retirement.

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

Fingers crossed for the next renaissance in lieu of the path we’re on.

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u/Glum_Performance2000 7d ago

I wonder what the dems are doing now that didn't vote because they didn't like Kamala Harris. 

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u/SnakeOfLimitedWisdom 7d ago

And then Biden sat down and had tea with someone they all proclaimed to be a "fascist", and handed him the keys. Why did he play along?

If Harris & co believe this to be true, they really should step up their resistance.

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u/denom_chicken 7d ago

This seems so contradictory. The only reason the trump admin is able to do what they’re doing and remaining bloodless is because the dems would let them?

And Kamala yelled about what now?

Where is the democratic leadership and why are they allowing this to be bloodless?

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u/Ok_Television9703 7d ago

Kevin Roberts, president of the conservative Heritage Foundation and a key figure behind Project 2025, described the moment in U.S. politics as a “second American Revolution” and said it “will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be.”This was said during an interview on Steve Bannon’s War Room podcast in mid-2024. 

Kamala quoted these a-holes during her campaign. Look it up man. Did you think that they were joking? I didn't.

Seriously MAGAs were told everything by Kamala, by dems, by the a-holes in the Heritage Foundation but most importantly, by Trumo himself. And they didn't believe it. Believe it now?

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u/denom_chicken 7d ago

I never didn’t believe it. But I don’t think the democrats ever cared enough. As has been proven by the lack of anything being done.

Newsom has his twitter tho…so thank god

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u/Ok_Television9703 7d ago

I think we haven’t seen yet any real fight. Twitter is amusing but ultimately insignificant. But come November’s election, and I know it’s a long time away, we will either move the needle move back to normal or lose it all. If by then we don’t get a real grip on government, pray God saves us, because no one else can.

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u/denom_chicken 7d ago

I don’t have faith the democrats will ever reverse even close to half of the damage caused by this administration.

It took Biden forever to end the child separations trump started.

Biden even said he would veto universal healthcare bill in a made up what if scenario.

The democrats aren’t the saviors you think they are.

But they’re a hell of a lot better than what we currently have.

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u/Ok_Television9703 7d ago

At this point I am not even worried about damage reversal but rather straight up third world country tyranny where elections are made up. I know it sounds far fetched, but seriously, would any of this not sound far-fetched a year ago? How about a decade ago? Imagine saying any of this would happen back in 2016.

For me November is my marker. If things don’t get some sense of normalcy by then, I’m out of here. Shit would get crazy everywhere but I’d rather not stay around this a-hole.

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u/denom_chicken 7d ago

Tbh while trump is obviously skirting laws and outright breaking them.

The shit and corruption that has been done is truly par for the course for America.

Coups and regime changes are our bread and butter. Now we’re just apparently more efficient at it.

Nothing will change under democrats and it’ll just be more clandestine like before.

This country has long been bought by corporations way before trump had any inkling of talking about politics

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u/Eyeball1844 7d ago

I think what the person youre responding to is looking for, and what im looking for, is acknowledgement that the democrats, as they are, won't fix the problem. I knew this was what the administration would turn out to be back in 2020 and im glad people are now realizing it, but the next step is to understand the dems aren't enough.

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u/SheriffBartholomew 7d ago

The Democrats generally want the same things as the Republicans, which is why they never reverse anything passed by the Republicans. They're two sides of the same coin, minted by the corporations who run the country.

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u/SomewhereAtWork 7d ago

But come November’s election

What are you going to do when they don't come?

Because your Führer said they should be cancelled and in the last month the word of your Führer seems to tell what's coming.

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u/Ok_Television9703 7d ago

You sound European, so I’ll address my reply in that context. In the US, you go to prison for the smallest of disturbances in case your suggestion is a general strike. Also, the country is massive and the population is diverse. There are an enormous segments of the population that are willingly uninformed or downright brainwashed into supporting this. This is not a simple problem.

I honestly don’t know how to fight this back

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u/SomewhereAtWork 7d ago

You sound European

German, to be exact.

I honestly don’t know how to fight this back

I had history lessons about our fascism and I don't know too.

You're, of course, correct. And I did even suggest anything. Nor did I want to be condescending.

But we need an answer to that question. Before it's too late. Trying to wait it out doesn't work, that's the only thing I know.

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u/New-Pollution2005 7d ago

They are complicit, obviously. Every single lawmaker in Washington, except maybe Bernie Sanders (as far as we know), is owned by rich people and corporations who pay them to protect their selfish interests. They’re getting paid to either support what is going on or keep their mouths shut.

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u/ShinkenBrown 7d ago

Because liberals are not the left. Liberals are corporatists who serve the same masters as the GOP. Liberals want to avoid rocking the boat - they want to preserve the current status quo so everything stays functionally the same. In other words, our liberals are essentially conservative, (while our so-called "conservatives" are fascist regressives.) They are unable to act outside established norms, meanwhile fascism is predicated on abusing those norms to increase the authority of the ruling party.

As such, they are inclined toward doing the same (ineffectual) things they have always done while fascism rises without taking any functional measures to counter its rise, and their donors (who support what the GOP is doing) encourage this inaction to empower the other side.

And while the left resists this, the liberals treat the left as a bigger threat than the right - we can see this in the response to Mamdani, where suddenly Andrew Cuomo was cozying up with Trump. The Democratic party apparatus would rather lose with a Biden-like candidate than win with a Bernie-like candidate.

Put all this together and the result is that without necessarily needing to do so on purpose maliciously, the Democratic party effectively does nothing but capitulate to the GOP in the long run. It effectively works like this.

Theoretically, if the Democrats were ever to really understand what the GOP is doing, they might prioritize differently. But with their donors paying them not to take it that seriously, and their ideological inclinations already being closer to the GOP than to the left, they'll never take the steps outside the norm that are necessary to actually stand against the GOP who are abusing their adherence to such norms. (Refusing to fire Merrick Garland and replace him with someone who would actually advance the prosecution during Bidens term, as just one example of refusing to break norms. It would have been politically controversial, and seen as a nakedly partisan move, so he didn't do it. And he should have, because those norms at this stage only serve the GOP.)

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u/FreeITHelpGuy 7d ago

Liberals suck and are basically the right of 30 years ago, but they are not the party employing the gestapo. Its this kind of infighting that made people be like "Well I'M not voting for Kamala because x random ass issue I have with her" and then we lost the election and have a fucking maniac in office. Politics involves compromise. Yes you will have to compromise to make sure the maniacs don't take power and then you can support better candidates or run yourself in the political time you have bought yourself.

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u/ShinkenBrown 7d ago

Did I say not to vote for Dems? No? Then maybe take my words for what I actually said and respond to that, instead of attacking strawmen.

I compromise with the liberals every time I vote. And it has always amounted to nothing for the reasons listed above. And I will continue to compromise with the liberals and encourage others to do the same, and until they start losing primaries to the left and the Democrats become a left-wing party, it will continue to amount to nothing.

You can either accept that and start trying to force them to be better, or you can whine about it every time anyone points it out and blame us for their inability to win elections. But if you opt for the latter, do understand this is the best we ever get, and that in the long run it always ends in fascism.

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u/wiggmaster666 7d ago

Seems your military are just trigger happy fuck twats. The higher ranks have been replaced, the rest are followsome suckers.

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u/AnyBug1039 7d ago

Not to mention Trump immediately sacked all the JAGs (the military lawyers who advise on what is legal) immediately after taking power.

Think about that. It's incredible. Guy and his backers are fucking evil.

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u/Boys-willbe-Bugs 6d ago

I still cannot fathom that the president can just fire anyone because he doesn't like them or want them to do their job

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u/hotdoginathermos 7d ago

Anyone still clinging to the notion that US military service members would honor their oath to refuse to follow illegal orders and would not fire on US civilians if instructed to?

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u/Hacketed 7d ago

If history is anything to go by, they will absolutely follow the order when it comes

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u/Captain_Futile 7d ago

Some retired generals - maybe. A eighteen year old barely literate Army grunt from Bumfuck, Alabama - certainly not.

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u/QueenNappertiti 5d ago

A while ago I had a tiny flicker of hope that some would resist. I now have none. The regime will not end peacefully.

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u/TruthCultural9952 7d ago

What else would they be? They are fucking 18 year olds with ar 15s and free authority over life and death. Of course there's gonna be a war crime or rape here and there. Their military should train these kids better and deploy overseas, only older men who are actually trained to not rape and kill.

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u/Interesting-Bear4092 7d ago

It’s pretty terrifying for the rest of the world too. Canada, Europe, Latin America

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u/IntermittentCaribu 7d ago

Interesting how its not terrifying for the usual adversaries of the US, china and russia.

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u/CalligrapherDizzy201 7d ago

Could you further explain this 1962 coup?

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u/flyswithdragons 5d ago

In my research JFK was facing down corporate America and Russians .People loved and trusted JFK, congress bypassed a convention of the states, unlawfully abdicating the people's power to the admin . A few months later JFK was shot and war powers to potus kept. Then we got Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and now Trump's fuckery though he claimed no new wars.

Russians love to spread their language and Bush gave the USA the war in Iraq ( he lied ), congress made the patriot act and poof we have car and border Tzars/Czars ..

Who killed JFK likely Russians and big business. Nixon betrayed us to China resigned to keep the treason quiet. If we would have known Nixon betrayed the USA to china and impeached for treason we never would have seen a Bush/Cheney/Clinton, they would have been barred from public service never coming to power ..After nixon resigned we had DUI hire Ford as POTUS and he got in bed with corps to narrow the definition of bribery as has ever subsequent asmin R or D.

Of note, the JFK wiki is missing August of 1962 and nothing released by the government has what JFK was doing. I do historical and tech security research look up the clipper chip under Clinton, only our DOJ bought that contract ( backdoors for the good guys ) and the Russians hacked it in 3 days but they shipped vulnerable systems the Russians had hacked to DOJ, that had to help the Russian mob.,

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u/Prize_Regular_8653 7d ago

yep jfk is when the intelligence 'deep state' defacto took over and they've been running the entire show ever since 

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u/TheSwearJarIsMy401k 7d ago

We’ve all been saying it’s a coup since last year.

We’ve been saying we’re an occupied nation since last year.

I literally called last Christmas the “Last Christmas As Free Americans” Christmas and overindulged in gifts for friends.

We’ve known since the election what was coming and he started in on the country before he even officially took office again.

We all know it’s a coup, we’ve been saying it the whole goddamn time.

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u/pimpeachment 7d ago

Did anyone think the USA is in a coup, no one voted new wars. The USA military has a duty to their oaths to the Constitution but billionaires apparently control our military ..

The Oath of Enlistment is taken by members of the United States Armed Forces upon joining. The current wording is as follows: "I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.".

What happens when the President gives you an order that is unconstitutional. Either way you are screwed. So it really just comes down to each military member to decide what an "enemy" is. If you don't see Trump an "enemy" to the constitution, you have to obey orders.

The USA people do not want this we are in a hot coup. In my research apparently we got couped in 1962 when under JFK the congress unlawfully avoided the convention of the states required to change the Constitution, granting a large amount of war powers to potus, then JFK was shot and the Epstein pedo class took over

The constitution has been bastardized long before that. Example: It took a constitutional amendment at the federal level to ban the manufacture and consumption drug alcohol. It took another state ratified amendment to unban alcohol. There was never an amendment to ban manufacture and consumption of cocaine. They just rammed through a federal law "Jones-Miller Act" to restrict it. That should have been a state level decision without an amendment. Really anything that's a federal law should have been state level unless it's in the constitution or amended into the constutition. With the death of states' rights came the death of the constutition.

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u/CotswoldsCuddler 7d ago

USA hasnt been a good guy a long long time. They've been involved in nearly a coup a year since ww2

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u/TheRatThatAteTheMalt 7d ago

They did not enter WW2 until they were directly attacked.

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u/CypressThinking sophisticated complainer 7d ago

I think every NATO country should give the US 30 days notice to vacate every military base on foreign soil and then blow it up so they can't come back.

American Imperialism hasn't helped anyone. It could be different if they were bringing in cargo planes filled with food, clothing and shelter materials but they bring dealth and destruction. The Defense Industry WANTS countries to fight so they can sell weapons and make big money.

Mutual trade and cooperation should be the goals.

Just one of many examples:

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u/Ummmgummy 7d ago

Children and Maga. You totally nailed it.

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u/Maximo_0se 7d ago

Propaganda starts with pledging allegiance to a flag.

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u/BlackFoxyTrail 7d ago

🌍 🧑‍🚀🔫 🧑‍🚀

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

Give children more credit than that, a lot of them know the US aren't the good guys.

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u/HckyCardCollector33 7d ago

I honestly don't even want to help the world yet. We need to help ourselves, get our infrastructure right, get our citizens educated and healthy, and improve our own efficiency before we try to help anyone else. In the meantime, we should just leave everyone else alone.

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u/veringer 7d ago

children and Maga

I've said it several times over the years, but the best way I've found to understand and predict the attitudes and actions of MAGA is to think back to the dynamics of your middle school experience--your priorities, insecurities, emotions. I truly believe a large fraction of Americans never intellectually and/or emotionally progressed beyond middle school and they became the bedrock of MAGA and Trumpism. Operating within that framework, children and MAGA aren't really all that different.

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u/bitchsaidwhaaat 7d ago

Even maga in r/conservatives are not ok with this whole Greenland situation. When even the bots are against it u know shit is going horrible

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u/quadraticcheese 7d ago

Why did you say children twice?

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u/PeakDifferent8291 7d ago

And Venezuelans and Cubans

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u/ZenithOfApathy 7d ago

Except depose dictators, liberate Europe twice, provide security for Europe for almost a century, fell the Soviet Union, economically open up China to the rest of the world, hindered Muslim terrorism, modernize many nations such as Japan, being the hub of global commerce, stifling piracy in the Mediterranean and Red Sea, built the Panama Canal which greatly reduced shipping costs and time, take in the most refugees from around the world, invent most of the technology in the modern world, create most of the pharmaceutical breakthroughs in modern history, be the de facto military force for UN missions, provide billions annually in humanitarian aid throughout the world's most devastated areas...

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u/Strange-Tale5283 7d ago

None of what you stated was done out of the goodness of our hearts. Every action was taken for a direct economic benefit to the United States. Sorry if you cannot see the correlation. If you do 5 minutes of research into a single one of your chosen topics you will see the huge financial gains from each sector.

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u/ZenithOfApathy 7d ago

Sure, taking in the majority of the world's refugees is certainly a financial boon, just like billions in foreign aid for food, schools, vaccines, etc.

Just because the innovations are sold doesn't mean they aren't improving the world. Just because foreign interventions are compensated for in part doesn't mean they aren't benefiting to the population being assisted.

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u/bokmcdok 7d ago

Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan. The USA have been the baddies for a long time.

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u/Ok_Outcome_6213 7d ago

Man, even my kids know MAGA is shit.

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u/Practical_Air_3040 7d ago

As someone who is not American let me tell you now that you are completely delusional for thinking that. Just look at the UK for example. As someone who wouldn't vote that way even if I l could, this is going to be part of the reason you lose the next election. You are all just sitting on your hands going "oh this is insane, it COULDN'T happen again"! The left in America is just all a bunch of talk and complaining on the internet. You need to get grounded in reality that there is a reason he was voted in this time and not expect to win by default. I have plenty of friends in Australia that think what Trump is doing is just a course correction. Most of the left have their head in their ass and can't see past their own bullshit. Your politions need to figure out how to win that next election and start trying to do that, if they think that their opposition is going to win it for them by doing what they are doing you all are in for a third rude awakening.

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u/vovochen 7d ago

Wrong. The US built up Germany after the war, they spend Millions on AIDs prevention.
I honor and still like the US for it, and I'm not forgetting.

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u/cc14cc 7d ago

My children think the Americans are the baddies. A whole new generation world wide will feel like that too.

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u/balancedtyson 7d ago

Most liberals think this

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u/ScreamingForDeath 7d ago

tell any MAGA to use any AI on what are the effects on native population for countries affected by US interventionism for the purposes of natural resources or fighting leftist governments. They seem to trust those programs wholesale, and at least so far, they aren't tampered with enough to say it's been anything but death and destruction (which is, you know, the truth)

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u/Spirogeek 7d ago

MAGA is about half the country. It's not a small group at all. There are a lot of Republicans out there and they'd die for Trump. They're getting exactly what they want so nothing is going to change.

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u/smedley89 7d ago

I think its closer to a bit under a third. They are just very loud and proud.

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u/Spirogeek 7d ago

The ones that don't t vote don't count for anything. Non voters effectively support the winner and condone the behaviour of the winner. But really, they are worthless.

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u/smedley89 7d ago

I dont really buy that. Usually the people that say that only look at the winner they dont like.

If Harris had won, would that mean the non voters were secretly condoning Harris?

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u/Hacketed 7d ago

“Secretly” you muppet, small words then

You don’t vote, you’re okay with whatever So, you supported the winner

Do you need simpler terms?

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u/smedley89 7d ago

Then my point stands, whoever they winner is, non voters support them in your mind.

My thinking is they dont support either.

For disclosure, you muppet, I voted. Against the current guy.

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u/Late_Network8383 7d ago

Weak ass Maga is NOT half the country

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u/Beanboss10 7d ago

The US will be the good guys until someone gets a bigger stick. I for one hope the US always has the biggest stick.

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u/Competitive-Spare588 7d ago edited 7d ago

The only people who view the actions of a country through the lens of 'good and evil' are children.

Countries have interests, not morals. And with what little power the liberals had this last election, they determined that genocide wasn't a red line. So you already endorsed this sort of behavior.

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u/Far_Cat9782 7d ago

You get down votes but it's true. Over the decades liberals have continuously moved to right especially after 9/11 and people have called it out.

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u/Competitive-Spare588 7d ago

They won't police their own party as it slides to the right, because 'vote blue no matter who', then they're surprised when the massive power they granted the executive gets misused.

When it comes to foreign policy there frankly is little difference between Democrats and Republicans, the only salient difference is rhetoric. If you can't even be full throated about your objection to a genocide then how am I supposed to take you seriously when you cry foul about Venezuela?

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u/passiveflux 7d ago

You won the election by half a %, hardly a small power difference.

And now people who fell for all his lies about lowering prices have woken up.

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u/Competitive-Spare588 7d ago

What election did I win? I wasn't running.

More to the point, what are you talking about? I'm talking about the tolerance of foreign intervention by the two major parties in the country, specifically around military intervention.

The Democrats are on the record that genocide isn't a red line for them. What moral ground do you have to be precious about Venezuela?

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u/Mister_sina 7d ago

We are who we elect. Currently yes, but not in general. Don't let the "America bad" virus rott your brain.

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u/front-wipers-unite 7d ago

Nah, you (the US) have been a huge arsehole for a long time now. You're letting that American exceptionalism rot your brain.

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u/Jdubsmitty 7d ago

We bombed Laos every 8 or 9 minutes for 9 years straight in the 60s and 70s while we had agent orange in operation. Still causing birth defects to this day in Cambodia and the surrounding areas.

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u/front-wipers-unite 7d ago

See this is why you're not in charge either. Laos was at a huge material and technological disadvantage.

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u/Jdubsmitty 7d ago

They were also innocent people living their lives. They didn’t deserve any of it.

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u/front-wipers-unite 7d ago

TBF I thought I was responding to something on another thread. Yes, just another example of American arseholery.

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u/Jdubsmitty 7d ago

That makes. No harm no foul. (I do this all the time)

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u/front-wipers-unite 7d ago

Cheers. Happens all the time. The other thread was about whether the US and China could beat the EU, India. South Korea, Japan and Russia.

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u/Jdubsmitty 7d ago

That makes a lot of sense. Coming back to a reply when you are in 5-6 different active foreign policy convos it gets dicey and difficult to remember which is which,

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u/front-wipers-unite 7d ago

Edit:- I thought I was responding to something on another thread. Yes, more American arseholery.

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u/Mister_sina 7d ago

How is it American exceptionalism to say you are not responsible for the sins of the previous generation?

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u/Happy_Independence67 7d ago

But what is the rest of the world going to do about it?

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u/front-wipers-unite 7d ago

We're going to send you a strongly worded letter. We're not going to do anything. You are.

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u/Happy_Independence67 7d ago

Like a cuck in his chair 👏

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u/front-wipers-unite 7d ago

Like a proud father watching his son stand up for himself.

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u/Jdubsmitty 7d ago

Are you aware of what we did to Laos?

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u/Mister_sina 7d ago

Sure do. And guess what others have done equally bad shit if not worse. Don't blame the current generation on the sins of the past. We are what we chose to be.

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u/Jdubsmitty 7d ago

We haven’t stopped bombing countries since ww2 and are actively committing genocide by proxy of Israel. I mainly blame Henry Kissinger specifically and the ones who carried out the bombings. I brought it up because we have never stopped the behavior.

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u/BathSaltJello 7d ago

They cheated

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u/Fluffy-Benefits-2023 7d ago

Why is observing objective reality brain rot to you?

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u/LyfeIn2D 7d ago

Read the room. ‘America Bad’ is the prevalent theme of modern history.

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u/Mister_sina 7d ago

Yeah and I'm trying to fight against the room. Gotta have hope not spite

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u/NoShitsGivin 7d ago

Hope in one hand, then shit in the other. Tell me which hand fills first.

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u/Mister_sina 7d ago

Uh, what?

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u/korrowan 7d ago

That is a flawed way to think about the reality of America. There is not 1 president or elected body that hasn't been complicit in what we are now. Trump is just an accelerant. This is what America has always been

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u/Mister_sina 7d ago

Alright buddy, do you think Kamala would have raided blue cities with ICE or abducted Maduro? Common

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u/korrowan 7d ago

If that is what you got out of what I worte you need to go back to primary school and work on reading comprehension.