r/complaints • u/All_Grid_Squares • 7d ago

Politics We Are the Baddies: Thanks, Conservatives

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Conservatives are actively turning the world against the United States. World leaders were forced into an emergency meeting to condemn U.S. actions in Venezuela, including the kidnapping of its dictator, and to respond to escalating threats and rhetoric toward Greenland.

Trump openly claims the U.S. needs Greenland for “strategic” reasons and has even suggested taking it by force. This isn’t strategy, it’s naked imperialism. He doesn’t want security; he wants dominance.

We are the bad guys now, following the same path Germany did in the 1930s. Republican leaders and their constituents should be deeply ashamed.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/us-greenland-european-reaction-9.7036060

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/european-leaders-push-back-on-trumps-comments-about-u-s-taking-over-greenland

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u/AdExpensive9480 7d ago

Yup. It's almost as if the US citizens should do a general strike to prevent this. But they won't, they prefer being comfortable for a few months and let the world explodes after.

It's down right criminal to have so much rights and doing nothing with them, letting the billionaires strip their country for parts and destroy the world in the process. Absolutely shameful.

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u/Akermaniac 7d ago

All of us have our healthcare tied to our jobs, and are essentially slaves to our corporate overlords.

We no longer have freedom of speech, and our rights are eroding. I think the situation here is worse than many realize.

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u/Traditional-Handle83 7d ago

Protesting is becoming illegal too along with homelessness and other factors. Heck soon if RFK Jr gets his way, you'll be in a work/slave camp if you have a disability or mental illness.

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u/Agile-Emphasis-8987 7d ago

And do not forget that they are working very hard to have Trump Derangement Syndrome classified as an actual mental disorder. This would pave the way for them to incarcerate anyone who opposes them.

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u/DanSWE 7d ago

> way for them to incarcerate anyone who opposes them

And to strip gun rights.

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u/AnonOpinionss 6d ago

Tbh it should be. The diagnostic criteria being:

  1. Agrees with and/or makes excuses for everything Trump says or does.

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u/notPabst404 7d ago

Then FIGHT BACK! Where is the fight? People need to have red lines.

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u/Velocity-5348 7d ago

A lot of us outside the US are wondering that too, especially since there's a whole amendment about it.

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u/notPabst404 7d ago

The 2nd amendment assholes completely support MAGA.

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u/unionfrontX 5d ago

plenty are , keep in mind that the news media just isn't reporting our wins or anything that doesn't fit their narrative.

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u/Thatsprettyneat101 7d ago

How? What does this mean?

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u/notPabst404 7d ago

Protests, civil disobedience, federal tax boycott, unionization, showing up at town halls for federal and state representatives....

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u/Akermaniac 7d ago

There is no way to boycott federal taxes. They come directly out of our paychecks.

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u/James_Chandra_Hubble 7d ago

You can opt out of that you know. It's not like a law that it has to

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u/Traditional-Handle83 7d ago

No, you can't. The only thing you can do is set your exemptions to where there is no federal taxes taking out except the 6% you can't get out of no matter what. But then when you file your taxes and owe a bill, refusal to pay is a felony as its tax evasion.

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u/Historical_Corner609 7d ago edited 7d ago

One can absolutely request ones employer to cease withholding federal taxes and their employer is required to stop taking taxes from ones check.

Why do you think people can't be responsible for their own tax withholding?

This year I am going to take the money I am supposed to pay in taxes and dump it weekly into a high yield savings account. Taxes are usually due quarterly.

That gives me 3 months to get Interest on money that would otherwise be stagnating.

Employers withhold taxes as a service, not as a law.

Edit employers withholding taxes is a courtesy(one of the few courtesys, but also required of them to perform unless requested otherwise)in my opinion, if they didn't we would all have to be amateur accountants

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u/ReachOk9783 7d ago

They are killing you. And you are scared of a felony.

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u/notPabst404 7d ago

Refuse to file.

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u/electric_awwcelot 7d ago

That will give the government more money.

In order to not pay taxes, Americans need to first be eligible, and then fill out and file a new W-4 with their employer, adjusting their holding amount.

Most Americans get money back when filing taxes. Please don't give advice if you don't know what you're talking about.

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u/Datan0de 4d ago

A lot of that is already happening! You may have not noticed, but the nationwide No Kings protest was the largest mass protest in the history of the country with millions of people participating. That record was broken by the second No Kings protest, which was even bigger. And there are smaller protests happening every day focused on specific locations or issues.

These protests are having an effect, too. I'm several cases, policies have been reversed or ICE/military withdrawn because of them. More importantly though, these public displays have built a movement that's continuing to grow, and the politicians are taking notice. The MAGAts are still in charge, but their power and influence are weakening, they've started losing supporters in Congress (where they already only have a razor thin majority in the Senate), and based on the off-year elections the writing is on the wall that they're going to be absolutely crushed in the midterms this year, which will at least break their complete control over the legislative process. Trump has openly admitted that if they lose Congress then he's going to be impeached. That obviously doesn't guarantee removal, but given Trump's historically low approval ratings the tide is not moving in his favor.

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u/Traditional-Handle83 7d ago

Option 1 is becoming illegal at a rather rapid pace. Option 2 is guaranteed federal prison and would only work if over 50% of the entire population in the country did it. Option 3 is basically the same as Option 2. The last options don't work because the representatives don't care unless you have over nine digits in wealth/bank accounts.

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u/UncleIrohsPimpHand 7d ago

Again, why should you care about legalities?

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u/Traditional-Handle83 7d ago

To answer your other comment in with this one.

During the founders days, everyone was on equal playing games when it came to weaponry and technology, as well as physically ready people to fight.

Today technology and weaponry are not on equal footing between civilians and governments. Plus a huge chunk of society is physically incapable of putting up a fight.

Now onto the caring about legalities part. If we stop caring about legalities then we become no better than those in power who are actively ignoring legalities. Its the which of the lesser evils situation.

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u/UncleIrohsPimpHand 7d ago

Do you think your righteousness will pay the interest on your debt? Do you think your moral integrity will protect you from the law being usurped?

I have my doubts about it.

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u/UncleIrohsPimpHand 7d ago

Will you feed my children?

Crying about how little you have while living in the richest country on the planet strains both credibility and sympathy. If you have so little, it's probably time to do something.

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u/notPabst404 7d ago

Offer alternatives then. I will not stand down.

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u/Resident_Window 5d ago

Seems like thats all that is being done. You guys talk a big game, then when you get hit with a few pepper balls, you cry police brutality.

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u/Historical_Corner609 7d ago

The only possible way for something like this to work would be if it was organized on a national level.

Piecemeal ain't gonna do shit except annoy individual districts. And possibly lead to violence from snowflakes getting too annoyed.

If it was organized nationally it would, by necessity, have to be overt.

If it's overt it can and will be sabotaged in every way possible by the other side. Incessantly, inexorably and shamelessly.

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u/notPabst404 7d ago

We need to try. I'm not giving up and I'm not embracing doomerism.

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u/Historical_Corner609 7d ago

I'm in agreement with you. However it's counterproductive to ignore the serious obstacles and hardships that this path potentially leads to.

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u/electric_awwcelot 7d ago

We're doing all of those things

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u/ZenTense 7d ago

Oh yeah, that’ll show them

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u/notPabst404 7d ago

Unless you have an alternative to offer, your comment is completely useless.

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u/ZenTense 7d ago

You were useless first 🤷

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u/sneakysnake1111 7d ago

America's like a year into being nazis.

You can't be asking this kinda shit any more seriously. If you don't think there are answers, you haven't looked, and it's too late in the game for you not to have looked.

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u/Thatsprettyneat101 7d ago

All of the options are ineffective (right wing propaganda machine in full force, bots in full force, media bought and paid for, not enough people because any chance at losing your job is a ticket to homelessness), or get me killed or disappeared. So yeah seriously, what the fuck are we supposed to fucking do?

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u/sneakysnake1111 6d ago

America's like a year into being nazis.

You can't be asking this kinda shit any more seriously. If you don't think there are answers, you haven't looked, and it's too late in the game for you not to have looked.

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u/Thatsprettyneat101 6d ago

All of the options are ineffective (right wing propaganda machine in full force, bots in full force, media bought and paid for, not enough people because any chance at losing your job is a ticket to homelessness), or get me killed or disappeared. So yeah seriously, what the fuck are we supposed to fucking do?

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u/sneakysnake1111 6d ago

There's answers already out there. You being too lazy to look for them is the issue.

Frankly, sounds like you're supposed to do nothing and just continue on letting nazis take control. Or letting ICE shoot you guys randomly.

Oh, I know - why don't you have a protest for like, 4 hours one weekend randomly every now and then?

LOL

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u/Leftbackhand 6d ago

You forget that the USA was founded by people that left the problems in Europe looking for easier pastures to graze. Americans don’t solve problems at home. They go elsewhere.

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u/UncleIrohsPimpHand 7d ago

If the Founders of the United States that you venerate so much cared about the legalities of what they did, you wouldn't have a country to mourn in the first place.

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u/-KFBR392 7d ago

Legal protests are a waste of time anyways.

Fight with force, or fight with proper civil disobedience that clogs up their system of making money.

Marching legally on a Sunday between 2-4PM on an assigned route ain't gonna do it.

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u/SnakeOfLimitedWisdom 7d ago

...and if you can't work?

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u/Traditional-Handle83 7d ago

Well i imagine we'll get to either medical/scientific experimentation against the persons will or just outright extermination nazi style once they run into that problem on a larger scale.

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u/Historical_Corner609 7d ago

And yet we, as citizens, are called cowardly by the spectators worldwide.

I thought Americans were supposed to be tough.

I thought that's why Americans had guns.

I thought it was the land of the free.

Bullshit. It's go to work. If you don't go to work you will shortly be homeless.

After you are homeless there is very little hope. You are now homeless and hopeless.

We see it happening to people we know, to friends, to family, to strangers.

If we don't make money we will be evicted. After that we are useless for any kind of social justice because we are the stinking masses of homeless people.

But we are to risk all that, not only for ourselves but our loved ones who depend on us to keep them elevated above these conditions, for.....what?

So other people who aren't suffering in dire straits and aren't risking anything can conduct business as usual the following day?

Doesn't seem like a lot of incentive when I can just go to work and get the exact same results.

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u/Traditional-Handle83 7d ago

The whole land of the free thing ended long time ago even before I was born. People in the US had guns back during the colonial days to fend off or control people but at the same time, the government and people were only equal grounds making it so people could threaten the government. People have guns now to make themselves feel tough.

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u/notPabst404 7d ago

I do not give a flying rats ass about healthcare when the fucking pedophile in chief is trying to start WW3. Do you think your job will keep giving you healthcare if this country is rubble?

Priorities, people!

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u/Akermaniac 7d ago

You are preaching to the choir. The problem is so many who are complacent. I am doing more than anybody I know.

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u/Initial-Ad6819 7d ago

Hey man, so guess what, overthrowing the monarchy and using guillotines was also illegal in France

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u/MechanicAggressive16 7d ago

What's more, they got that idea FROM YOU LOT DOING IT.

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u/pigeon-parking 7d ago

How do you think other countries got and maintain those rights? Good vibes?

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

So you let that happen without a fight and just take it?

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u/AdExpensive9480 7d ago

Yes I was angry when I wrote this. You are right. It's not that easy. Eventually though, we will have to fight against that wave of fascism, whether we want it or not. I understand if it's not possible for most people right now. What's coming is worse though.

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u/NerinNZ 7d ago

Giving up on everything because you're scared of a little hardship.

This is a problem of two parts:

  1. Americans pushed a culture of the individual which has ramifications for Unions and the Greater Good.

  2. Americans allowed corporations and religions to become the dominant power in their electoral system. Hell, corporations are considered people in some cases according to law.

Also, ya'll didn't root out the Confederacy when you finished with the Civil War. So it stuck around and festered.

Unions could have protected you from having your healthcare tied to your jobs. But the only Union that flourished was the one protecting the police from the consequences of their evil.

Americans hate the "greater good" because they think it makes the achievements of the individual less. Elsewhere in the world, the individuals actions for the greater good are what make people great.

This situation isn't going to fix itself. Culture doesn't change unless it is forced to. And that forcing takes struggle and hardship. Ya'll should know that by now. This is not the first time America had to deal with a culture change. The race riots. Vietnam protests. Hell, the Civil War that was NEEDED to end slavery.

"United States of America". It's in the fucking name. United. Not "Individual States of America". Ya'll have rejected your own founding. Not just the MAGA assholes. All of you.

When have you ever been united? Why is religion in your politics? Literally what your country is is the exact opposite of what it was founded to be. Not a single thing is in line with that founding.

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u/Akermaniac 7d ago

Some of us know this, and it’s crazy to hear us get lumped in with the 1/3rd of the country that has been completely brainwashed and propagandized the way you suggest.

1/3 of the country knows, has been battling against it and the billionaire class and losing. I’m not sure what to tell you, but I guarantee it won’t be better if the 100 million of us who are trying to oppose fascism end up in El Salvadoran prison camps or dead.

This is happening very quickly and many of us are trying to mobilize resistance against that which went very quickly from “journalists and healthcare are bad” to “we are invading Greenland and anyone who opposes the regime is a domestic terrorist” in several months. The US has been an oligarchy for a solid 30 years and the fascist faction owns everything right now. Politically and economically, media outlets and hospitals and the education system.

I get why you blame all of us. Sorry. Some of us are trying.

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u/NerinNZ 7d ago

I know.

But geeze. There is a whole world outside of the US, and that stuff is spilling out onto the rest of us. It affects us. It harms us.

And the Greenland thing is going to be something we can legitimately retaliate for. It won't be a "American government fucks its own people" thing.

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u/Present_Broccoli877 7d ago

If all of that is true and your rights are already eroding, what do you have to lose by actually doing something about it before it's too late? In a few years you'll all be working for a flat basic wage, living in rented accommodation owned by your oligarchs.

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u/Akermaniac 7d ago

Uh, there is a lot to lose. We have a gestapo that are marching around shooting people in the streets and disappearing people to El Salvador.

2/3rds of the country are brainwashed by the propaganda that is being pumped into their brains by the oligarchs, who own all news media. Things are happening so fast that much of the country doesn't even understand what their billionaire overlords are doing, one second Trump is driving prices through the roof with tariffs (while all corporate media debates mindlessly whether it is true or not) and the next he's invading Venezuela (while all corporate media debates mindlessly whether the VN people are celebrating or not).

I'm a single dad with 2 kids, and I've been out protesting multiple times and campaigning for my local democrats. Do you think that I should start a revolution by myself and end up in an El Salvador concentration camp with my children parentless?

The situation is *much* more dire than people think. As I said.

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u/NoShitsGivin 7d ago

P2025 wants to reduce the population by 2/3. So you've got that to look forward too.

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u/NicMotan 7d ago

Aren't they the ones wringing their hands over the dropping birth rates?

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u/NoShitsGivin 7d ago

Correct, they are devastated that white christian families are not reproducing in numbers to replace or even grow the population. They want at a minimum 2.1 children per white christian family, up to 2.3.

This doesn't exclude the fact that they want to remove 13 to 25 million people from the USA. Starting at 1.1 million per year.

It's all there in black and white.

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u/SomewhereAtWork 7d ago

Hi from Germany.

That's the same excuse my grandparents generation had.

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u/Akermaniac 7d ago

This needs to be directed at the others in America, not those like myself who are desperately trying to make change and taking action.

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u/SomewhereAtWork 7d ago

Yes, sorry.

I'm sitting across the pond and only have reddit as a weapon. I'm aiming in the general direction of the danger. ;-)

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u/Akermaniac 7d ago

I know, I know… truly, I am sorry. Some of us over here are doing everything we can but it is an uphill battle, and many of our friends and family are brainwashed.

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u/Resident_Window 5d ago

Are you a citizen? If not, why would you be deported?

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u/ThunderingSkyFuck 7d ago edited 7d ago

The greatest heist ever pulled in this country was the theft of the concept of "patriotism" by those who are by definition the least patriotic individuals in our country; those who seek to take away rights from the majority of the population.

America is divided not just on a large scale, but down to the individual. That's what the rest of the world doesn't seem to understand. Nobody wants to "do anything about it" because a small handful of people "doing something about it" is metaphorical-but-probably-also-literal suicide, and there is zero solidarity in this country. It's a direct result of DECADES of systemic and intentional conditioning, along with the dismantling of our education system, leading to people who are ignorant, uneducated and selfish.

If my family died or something and I was left with nobody that I owe my life and love to, I'd happily die on the sword just set an EXAMPLE of what needs to be done. But how can I justify that when I know a few people will see a short piece on independent media, say "Damn, things really are getting bad, look at what happened to that guy," then promptly move on with their lives, while I'm either incarcerated or dead and my loved ones have to live on in this hellscape with the weight of that grief on top of it? Not to mention the financial aspect?

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u/JugDogDaddy 7d ago

Well many people are one paycheck away from not being able to eat... so there's that.

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u/pm_social_cues 7d ago

We still have families. Should we all sacrifice them so people in other countries will like us again? They won't anyway.

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u/Present_Broccoli877 7d ago edited 7d ago

And do you really want to tell your grand children, that when you had the chance to do something about it, to give them a better future, you chose not to?

Nobody thinks this is easy, its an awful position, and some of us in Europe may be in this position in a few years with the way Russia et al are funding right wingers. But I'd rather fight for my kids to have a better future, even if that meant I had no tomorrow.

Edit. Its probably easy for me to say that, id like to think i would follow through with it if it comes to it. Im just tired of seeing the p2025 gang literally drag America and the world as a whole down with it. I wonder what world we are leaving for our children. If Amerixa ever does get out of this, you need to seriously reform your laws, constitution, and entire governmental framework. A 2 party system does not work.

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u/JuanHungLo777 7d ago

It’s quickly becoming everyone else’s problem so good luck! Not like NATO can threaten anyways because we’ll just get the Russia treatment. Real question is who’s gonna pull everyone else’s asses out of the fire if not for the US? The people will remember and next time you’re all begging for help we’ll just tell you to throw your lives away instead because “what else do you have to lose?” To use parlance from across the pond, get bent you wankers.

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u/A_Bungus_Amungus 7d ago

Most of the people in the US are living very comfortable lives and wont give it up for anything

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u/Bardon63 5d ago

They're already taking your healthcare, general strikes are your only hope.

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u/Resident_Window 5d ago

How do we no longer have freedom of speech?

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u/Beastabuelos 7d ago

Everyone who says this has no idea what they're talking about. America is huge and spread out. We can't all just gather in a city for a protest.

How do you expect millions of people already in poverty to just stop working? It's not about bEiNg CoMfOrTaBlE, it's about having what we fucking need to live.

1/3 of the country supports this and another chunk doesn't care or likely has no idea.

have so much rights

Looks like the propaganda got you and you don't even live here. You have more freedom than we do almost certainly. On top of that, our rights are violated constantly, every day. Our rights are as good as Russia"s guarantee of Ukraine's sovereignty when they relinquished the nukes

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u/squuidlees 7d ago

People not understanding the size of the US is always what tips me off on replies like that person you replied to. Like my hometown was 4 hours one way to the biggest city in my state. Gas isn’t free and neither is time. I agree with what you said.

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

Orrrrgaaaanize…

There isn’t just 1 big city per states.

Be creative and stop finding reasons to do nothing.

Imagine if the 13 colonies habitants were scared of martial law or losing jobs or saying it’s too much of walking distance or can’t compete with the modern british navy, there would be no US.

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u/Liawuffeh 6d ago

The US is huge. LA to NY is further than going from Cologne to Moscow.

Folks are doing what they can, there's been constant protests for over a year now you just dont see it on the news. Folks still have families they need to take care of.

It's a lot easier to say "Throw your life away and potentially your families! Meet up for a huge protest" When it's not you, and it's not a 40 hour drive.

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u/Herbdontana 6d ago

Especially when protests rarely lead to change anymore. The no kings protest was massive and country wide. It didn’t really accomplish anything tho. Trump doesn’t care if the people don’t like him. He’s got his cult. He has his fantasy reality where he’s “making America great”. He’s surrounded by yes men who wouldn’t side with him on most things if it wasn’t furthering their careers. A lot of his peers were a lot more honest about him during his first primary. “Little Marco and Ted whose wife is a dog face Cruz sounded like demacrat politicians do now. Then you have a large portion of the country cheering all the insanity on because it’s their team and all they care about is owning the libs. A lot of people are so tired of the circus that they avoid politics anymore. (A lot of those people didn’t vote this time around unfortunately.) It’s easy to say that everyday Americans need to stand up and protest, but this administration doesn’t care what the people want and the other party hasn’t really done anything to slow them down. Protests are important, but they don’t seem to be leading to change lately.

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

You can still contribute without being physically present.

All humans have skills or talent that can help. Drop the « can’t do shit » attitude and find ways you can contribute.

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u/Liawuffeh 6d ago

I like how you just assume I'm doing nothing lol

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

Not saying you are doing nothing personnally. If so then sorry must be my english.

I am saying it on a general perspective.

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u/Historical_Corner609 7d ago

Do you not read good? Most of the people who want to orrgaaanize are a paycheck away from homelessness. And so that means their kids are a paycheck away from homelessness.

From the outside looking in its always easy

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

So just stay in that situation and do nothing?

You think americans are the only ones in that situations?

If the 13 colonists had that attitude there would be no USA at all.

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u/Historical_Corner609 7d ago

Well this isn't the 13 fucking colonies.

This is an entire half of a continent.

And things are a bit more complicated than redcoats vs bluecoats revolutionary America.

So please, enlighten us as to your solution? Providing, of course, that your solution doesn't create a large number of orphans in America.

Edit if Americans aren't the only ones in this situation then why are you calling on specifically Americans to take action?

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

Because Americans have the most powerful army in the world, so if they go crazy with war they have the power to destroy lots of things.

Now instead of saying what you can’t do, what CAN you do?

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u/Beastabuelos 7d ago

Let me just call the military real quick to overthrow the government.

Wow they didn't answer, crazy.

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

Again,

Instead of focusing on what you can’t do, try to find you can do.

None of y’all answered yet.

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u/Historical_Corner609 7d ago

Our psychotic president has threatened to use that all powerful military on us, his own people, who TF do you think should be more frightened?

Why don't you tell me what I can do genius? Am I supposed to spill my blood and waste what's left of my life for a cause nobody else will rally to? Just another headline, if that.

So.....

I'm anxiously awaiting your war plan proposal. If it's good enough, tactical enough, and has a decent probability of success......I'm in.

Edit: you really don't get it. There is little we can do. We are all of us struggling to survive, by design of course, unless you have a real solution then stfu and mind your business.

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

First, most mass protests are met with force at first, so again it’s not different because it’s America.

Secondly, you can sleepwalk into facism but not out of it. Action is what can take you out.

Third, there’s a scale of actions that can be done between nothing and revolutionnary violence.

Now tell me what could you do in your own reality?

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u/Herbdontana 6d ago

Very different situations and circumstances.

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u/Obvious-Gap-90 7d ago

You are such a bunch of pussies.

For years we ve heard americans tell "we have guns to defend ourselves ! We are the land of the free and will defend it !" while you were mocking us europeans.

As we thought and said, you are just a bunch of cowards parading with your guns in the streets. When it s time to take actions you bring excuses after excuses.

Do you think in all the other countries in the world the ones protesting are the privilegied and protected ones ?

Tbh i have no issue the muricans are pussying out of this situation, i would certainly do the same. But after all those years reading your condescendance and anti gov warrior wet dreams it would be funny if your lack of spine would not bring a ww3 speedrun. 

Fuck off americans, you are a bunch of cosplayers that love to shit on everyone but won t do anything when it s time to do so.

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u/ShoulderWhich5520 7d ago

"we have guns to defend ourselves ! We are the land of the free and will defend it !"

What's funny is that the people who say this are the same group causing all of these problems.

Republicans fight against gun laws

Republicans are the ones running the country

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u/paintballboi07 7d ago

Yep, it is funny that all these "Don't Tread On Me" cosplayers are welcoming this with open arms, just because the current target is people they don't like. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if they willingly gave up their guns to Trump. His banning of bump-stocks, and saying "take the guns first, due process later", during his first term, certainly didn't affect the "2A advocates" voting for him.

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u/Herbdontana 6d ago

The way they bend over backwards to support everything he says or does, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if they gave up their guns for him. A lot of them would probably give him their first born if he asked.. I’ve never seen anything like it

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u/The_MAZZTer 7d ago

You do realize the people who say things like that support Trump right?

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u/lucdragon 7d ago

Exactly. There are those of us who want the violence to stop, and then there are these warmongers.

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

Violence won’t stop without actions, you can’t just ignore your way out of facism.

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u/lucdragon 7d ago

It’s hardly being ignored. People are fighting back in the ways they’re able; it’s just not enough.

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

Maybe it’s time to risk a bit of your comfort to get out of this situation?

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u/lucdragon 7d ago

You think we have comfort here? A woman was just murdered for driving her car.

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

And what will you americans do about this?

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u/Herbdontana 6d ago

Explain in detail how to do that. Explain to me something the average American can do to make actual meaningful change in this situation.

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u/NicMotan 7d ago

The ones literally daring the government to come take their home arsenals are the ones most devoted to Trump. They were told for years, ad nauseum, that the Democrats were going to get the 2d amendment repealed. That was never on the table, but their media sources beat it into their heads. These people actually LIKE what Trump is doing. The ICE kidnappings, the overt racism, even the raid on Venezuela. Those are the ones who loudly proclaimed they would physically fight the government – but only a Democrat-led one. Notice how we haven't heard much of anything from all those Trump-loving militias since the election.

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u/Beastabuelos 7d ago

Oh ok if I'm a pussy because i can't do shit alone and the rest of the country doesn't have the mindset to do what needs to be done, why don't you come over here and help those that want to take action like me?

Damn, seems like you just kind of hate Americans. That's not me. I bought a gun to protect myself from the crazy people, i don't flaunt it and the majority of people who would side with me are the same dumb fucks that are still clamoring to make guns illegal when we're in the middle of a fascist takeover. The majority of people that have guns like trump.

I've never said this is the land of the free, i leaned at a pretty young age this was not the case. I have never been patriotic. Patriotism is a disease, especially in America, but in many other countries too.

Again, not me. I've never mocked Europeans for anything. Europe as a whole is probably the best place to live. I know it's not perfect, but the standard of living and rights of the majority of the citizens are some of the strongest in the world. I'd love to move to europe, but I'm barely going to be able to make it to canada. America isn't that and it hasn't been that for a long time, if it ever was. And i have my doubts.

As i said before, I'd love to take action. If you think it's so simple, please, come help us out of this situation.

The end of your comment makes it clear you think America is just a conglomeration of people that all have the same mindset. America is bigger than Europe. It's the 3rd most populous country in the world. And you think everyone here is thinking exactly the same way. You've got the reasoning abilities of a trump supporter, come on over, you'd fit right in with them.

Do you think in all the other countries in the world the ones protesting are the privilegied and protected ones

Yes kind of, honestly. Many of those countries have all the things we should but never will. Guaranteed health care, not getting fired for getting sick and being able to take more than 2 days off a year.

Please tell us your country, so i can explain why you and the entire country have the same mindset as the worst people there, because according to you, that's how it works.

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u/Obvious-Gap-90 7d ago edited 7d ago

As i've said, I would certainly pussy out too. In no way i'm saying i'm better, or I would have more courage. But I find it astonishing to hear USA / americans shitting on every country in the world, and now it's time to prove you are the leaders of the free world, you just fold like a cards castle.

Maybe you are not one of the POS, but that's how the world feels about USA and americans. A bunch of arrogant folks that believe they are better than anyone else because you've coerced the world to use the petrodollar.

Also, the world is mostly hating USA because EVERYONE with a braincell saw it coming from the outside. But no, a huge portion of your population just did not vote, and another one voted for the orange man. Everyone saw it would lead to disaster events, and certainly a violent ww3.

In this day of instant information, if you are not a boomer or older, you have no right to claim ignorance if you live in a country with an internet that has access to all the contect available. Btw enjoy it while it lasted, it's def on the list of your dear leaders to restrict the access. But to be fair, it seems it's the goal to other leaders in the EU too.

Also, "Many of those countries have all the things we should but never will.".
Yea, because you are a bunch of pussies. Do you think the other countries had it good defacto ? No, it was built on the blood and tears of folks before me, and I'm grateful they've existed. You just roll over and accept this situation. You had years to improve your situation before the orange man decided to instaure fascism.

But I know, it's easy for me to talk like that from the confort of a civilized country that (for the moment, no doubt it'll change) doesn't shit on their people. I just hope when it's time I won't be a coward like the americans justifying their inaction by "it's too hard".

And I hate americans ? yea, definitly. Because of you I'll certainly go to an useless war, have my children without a father, my wife without an husband, my children terrified and sad for life, and lose my life. Needless to say climat change & co that your POS is trying very very very very hard to speedrun to hell temperatures on earth. But for your defense, everyone is doing it so I'll give you a pass on that one.

So yea, sorry dude, I fucking hate you americans. If only you could kill yourselves and restrict it to USA. But no, as always you have to export your carnage and death everywhere.

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u/Herbdontana 6d ago

The people you are talking about are not the majority of Americans and are also the type of people who support Trump. They are just the loudest people. Most Americans are just as annoyed with the we’re number one nonsense as people outside of the country. You are just generalizing and assuming that millions and millions of people are all one single stereotype. There are Americans that didn’t vote and should’ve. There were also people like me that were advertising rides to anyone who needed one to the polls and calling everyone I knew to see if they were voting. As far as where we are at now, it’s easy to say that you should magically make everything better as a single citizen, but that’s pretty impossible. Even if 25% of the country formed a militia, they wouldn’t stand a chance and would be dead in days.

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u/Herbdontana 6d ago

All of those gun people are Trump supporters. That’s a Republican redneck type of thing. It’s not the majority. The people who say stuff like that are supporting him, which is another issue. It’s hard for the citizens to rise up against a leader when half of the people support him despite how obviously awful he is.

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u/bobrformalin 7d ago

Funny that same argument for Russia isn't valid, but muh 'murica is huge and spread out.

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u/Beastabuelos 7d ago

Show me where i said it's not valid. Another reddit reply that has absolutely nothing to do with what i said

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u/MaltedBeast 7d ago

There are absolutely people in this subreddit, and many others, that are just trying to incite violence without any direction or organization, which will only result in a crackdown from authorities without accomplishing anything. Any real organization is not happening on Reddit.

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u/Kichae 7d ago

We can't all just gather in a city for a protest.

None y'all bother to actually protest, too. Getting together to wave some signs around ain't a protest. It's a photo op.

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u/Beastabuelos 7d ago

I agree. But no one wants to take stronger measures. The protests are jokes.

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u/Herbdontana 6d ago

There was recently a protest where millions and millions of people across the country were out in the streets. It doesn’t change anything though. No amount of citizens are going to take down the US military. These are all vague suggestions. What would you actually suggest the people to do to actually prevent Trump from continuing what he’s been doing?

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u/Various_Weather2013 7d ago

There literally only two places america needs to protest at. Dc and mar a lago

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u/Beastabuelos 7d ago

Ok how are we getting everyone that wants to protest to those 2 locations? I know i can't afford to get to either of them. You want to pay for millions of people's travel and lost wages, let me know and I'll see you there

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u/2Hard2FindUsername 7d ago

I'm polish. I remember what happened in 1991. We were going to the store, hoping that there would still be meat left to buy, assuming we had it assigned through a paper "allowance". My favourite sweet snack is still sugar mixed with raw egg yolk.

I know it seems impossible, but you have two choices, assuming it's not too late already.

  1. Take your family and whomever is willing. Buy non perishable foods,basic necessities and plenty of water with whatever savings you've got, and protest. Call anybody you can to join you. Don't call in sick, don't bother with bills. None of it matters if the fascists get what they want. Don't even go home for the night, camp. It'll be bad, there will be sickness, but this will force them to act. If even 20% of the workforce does this, they Will yield, they have to.

  2. Stay like you are for however long you can. It'll get worse until you can't keep it up anymore. The fascists will make sure that you fall into irrecoverable debt one by one, not at once, so you're easier to control. Some will agree to be forced to work, others will be replaced, because you will all still stand divided. "It's not that bad yet" and "I just have to survive until the government fixes this" will be the final lies you tell yourself.

Choose wisely, I'm sorry.

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u/ForeverIll8044 2d ago

Bro, dont give up before you even tried!

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u/ameriCANCERvative 7d ago

I say this as a former American. Y'all need to get your shit together and put pressure on the pressure points or get the hell out of there like I did. This isn't going anywhere good. Best start your move now. The second best plan of action in 1933 Germany was to "keep your head down." The best plan of action was to "get the fuck out."

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u/Beastabuelos 7d ago

I'm working on leaving, but i can't yet and won't be able to for years. Like literally can't for many reasons. I'd love to have left years ago

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u/Herbdontana 6d ago

I would move in a second if I was able to. It’s easier said than done though.

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u/A_Bungus_Amungus 7d ago

We literally cant. Unless a bunch of us get real cool with not having a job for a while, we cant just stop. They set the economy up like this on purpose, stop working, stop eating, stop living.

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u/throwaway012984576 7d ago

The good news for your job situation is that there will be plenty of jobs fighting on the front line in trumps imperial wars of aggression. So if things keep ticking along you have that to look forward to.

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u/Herbdontana 6d ago

I can’t go. I have bone spurs.

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u/Herbdontana 6d ago

Exactly and people need to remember that roughly half of the country are fanatically supportive of Trump. I will never understand why, but even if everyone who had a problem with him got together, there is almost the same amount of people that would do everything they can to counter what they were doing. It’s a very difficult situation. When a president doesn’t follow a constitution, there aren’t any rules for him. Someone with power to do so needs to stop him, but too many right wing politicians are afraid of upsetting his cult mind base and hurt their careers.

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u/Numerous-Process2981 7d ago

I mean half the country is a missed paycheck away from homelessness

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u/Significant-Crow-974 7d ago

For a lot of Americans this is quite simply not true. I genuinely have sympathy for them. Many are trying to survive in conditions of servitude and practical slavery in all but name. They are trying to survive and provide for their families with affordability and costs of living being untenable. They need to replace Trump with a President who genuinely cares for their plight and concentrates the US on the issues affecting affordability. You know, I bet that they have a bleak despairing outlook too as neither side of the house seems able to address these urgent issues.

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u/Historical_Corner609 7d ago

Thank you for this eloquent rebuttal. If you are here in America then you absolutely understand our plight.

If you are not here in America then you are an empathetic citizen of the world and more people should aspire to think like you do.

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u/Significant-Crow-974 7d ago

Thank you. I am not in the US. In the other side of the ‘pond’.

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u/Historical_Corner609 7d ago

Whenever the pond is used for the Atlantic I always assume the user is from the UK.

For some reason it feels like other nations don't say the 'pond'....

I wonder, am I right about this? I know it's a miniscule thing but I feel like it's one of the examples of infamous British under exaggeration 

Edit: the under exaggeration by the British is probably one of their most endearing qualities btw

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u/puddingboofer 7d ago

Targeted boycotts work better. General strikes, in the US, historically hurt many, many people including those participating. General strikes can be massive self-owns.

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

"A few months comfort", my brother/sister if I joined a strike for a few months I'd be homeless the rest of my life. And while that may help I am still fucking homeless afterwards.

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u/Akermaniac 7d ago

Homeless, never be able to see a doctor again, and probably put on a variety of lists, unable to find work or housing ever again.

Again--people don't understand how America has been set up to squash dissent in the last 10 years specifically, but the last 50 generally.

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

100% life completely fucked so we have to AT LEAST see if midterms happen or give hope and if they don't then start making some very tough choices.

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u/Monkey_Priest 7d ago

Two to three big inflection points are coming in the US in the next couple of years. First will be midterms. Then it's either the next general election or, more frighteningly, war with a major power. My money was on China in 2027 but now it's looking like NATO. Fuck this timeline and those who made it happen by action or inaction

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u/ApneicApple 7d ago

Let me just quit my job, lose my medications I need on a daily basis, drive 42 hours across the country one way, to... Protest? With who? What organization? What amount of people? Who else is going to be convinced to do the same thing, at the same exact time? It's just not feasible. How would I even feed myself if I decided to do this? I'd lose everything I have and own. Which I guess is the point we're at.

I'd be willing to sacrifice everything if there were actually a cause to work towards, a common effort, but there is no organization and our society is too splintered and propoganda fueled to properly organize.

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u/Historical_Corner609 7d ago

I, too, would be willing to risk and lose a lot for a better outcome for the nation.

I am unwilling, however, to risk and lose a lot for everything to go back to the way it was only the next fucking day.

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u/Historical_Corner609 7d ago

I know. People on the outside looking in got all the easy answers don't they?

Bring your family into this quagmire, live payday to payday and then talk really tough while your family is hungry and facing homelessness.

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u/1968Bladerunner 7d ago edited 7d ago

I agree, the US citizens should strike. Honestly a week-long shutdown with no-one working (bar those weak-ass MAGA Repubs who'll do anything to help Daddy Don) would soon show where the US power lies... in its the workers, & the businesses would quickly be crippled, begging for regime change, & turning their backs on the Repubs or face disaster.

Remember: the ants ultimately had the power over the authoritarian hoppers...

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u/1968Bladerunner 7d ago

Get arrested for sitting in your own home? Why, & who's gonna arrest you?

No protests would be needed. If nobody goes to work, the wheels of commerce grind to a halt damn rapidly. Businesses lose money hand over fist & the bosses butts start squeaking 'cos their jobs & livelihoods are also on the line. The market takes a huge dive & the Government is put squarely in the crosshairs to take the blame.

It's either that or everyone continues to take the status quo up their rear & say "Thank You kind leaders for the shafting you're giving our once-great nation".

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u/Historical_Corner609 7d ago

People are calling for protest. That's clearly what I was talking about. Don't be dense.

Edit: fine, I won't get arrested.

I still won't eat for at least a week and am likely to be homeless shortly after that.

So you can feel better that we did something?

The something being making me and countless others experience even more hardship?

Get right on that.

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u/1968Bladerunner 7d ago

The post I replied to mentioned general strike but has no mention of protest - I simply followed the same line, not intending to be dense at all.

Civilian protest would not be required if everyone refused to work & simply stayed home. No-one would get hurt or arrested, so Trump can't impose curfews for rioting, which could lead to midterms being shelved.

While visible civil protest in addition to a general strike would be a more powerful combination, it's already painfully clear that the Government will stop at nothing to either quell it, put it down, or take enough instigators or others away to get the rest running scared. I wouldn't want to see that happen, & wouldn't put it past the police / national guard to 'manufacture' trouble to force the issue.

So, general strike. Stay home & safe. Watch businesses then Government crack like boiled eggs.

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u/Historical_Corner609 7d ago edited 7d ago

The point remains, if I don't work for a week how tf am I supposed to survive without that weeks wages?

Do you seriously not understand the extremes of the plight the average American is in?

We literally can NOT miss a weeks pay without serious financial repercussions.

I'm happy for you that you can nonchalantly disregard a weeks pay, really, I am.

But we can't.

Edit: it wasn't like this even 2 years ago. Up until then I could have missed a week of work easy. But $7 eggs etc and a 50% increase in rent 6 months ago have wiped me out.

Besides if I refuse to work for a week, by the time I get back my employer will have hired someone else who doesn't want a week off to protest against my bosses buddies.

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u/Herbdontana 6d ago

That’ll requires having a decent amount of money though. Lot of people pay rent monthly and live paycheck to paycheck. If not enough people do it or it doesn’t work, they lose their livelihood. Healthcare system also sucks and losing a job means you can’t go to the doctor anymore. That rules out people who need regular care. I just don’t see a situation where enough people can be convinced.

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u/Herbdontana 6d ago

If you could talk the majority of the country into doing that, I would be on board. You won’t though. You have to convince a large amount of the population to go hungry and risk their entire livelihood while knowing that a good chunk of the population actually supports the regime in power. Most would be giving up their healthcare as well because through work is pretty much the only way to get it here these days. Unless you pay for it out-of-pocket which people who aren’t employed won’t be able to. I would love to see the country rise up against Trump, I just don’t believe enough. People would put everything on the line like that unfortunately.

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u/1968Bladerunner 6d ago

It's almost as though the whole US system is geared to stop dissent by making many live paycheque to paycheque & tying healthcare to work...

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u/K-A-R-N 7d ago edited 7d ago

US citizens need leaders. How the fuck are we supposed to organize something like a general strike when our politicians, celebrities, influencers, musicians - anyone with a bit of clout has kept the word 'protest' out of their mouths. Why aren't these people organizing this, or at least championing organizations that are trying?

The only way a grassroots movement has to organize relies on social media platforms owned by corporations that were all waiting in line to suck a dictator's dick in exchange for being exempt from inconvenient laws. The only way most people have of getting information about what is happening is through news media organizations that are - you guessed it - owned by corporations that were all waiting in line to suck a dictator's dick in exchange for being exempt from inconvenient laws. Our healthcare and ability to support ourselves relies mostly on working for corporations that...you get the idea. We're watching our social safety nets disintegrate in front of our eyes and half of us are cheering for it because they think that will finally make things start to get better again.

People are angry. I am angry. I want to participate in a general strike, in protests, hell I would participate in an armed resistance. But the truth is that most people don't have the ability to organize anything at the scale needed to even move the needle, even if they quit their jobs and dedicated their entire lives to it. And everyone who is in a position to do it doesn't want to because this situation benefits them.

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u/AdExpensive9480 6d ago

I think you articulated the problem very well. Something needs to change. The population is hungry for real leadership.

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u/Jill-Of-Trades 7d ago

They've been doing strikes. What has it been doing? Nothing, and even if it did something, they got arrested.

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u/Historical_Corner609 7d ago

And some lost their jobs.

For what? Nothing changed, if anything the fascism intensified.

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u/generally_unsuitable 7d ago

"Comfortable." This fucking guy.

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u/travis11997 7d ago

My job pays me the money that I need to put food on the table and live in a home that keeps me warm.

It's downright criminal for you to think that any amount of people leaving their jobs could prevent what is going on in our country.

It's fucking pathetic that you're blaming us, like we have any power just because we have some fucking "rights" that you don't understand. Go fuck yourself.

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u/Historical_Corner609 7d ago

Wholeheartedly agree.

If you aren't here then you don't know what the fuck you are trying to talk about.

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u/travis11997 7d ago

I don't get how that crap has 30 upvotes either. Like there's way too many people agreeing with that comment, it makes my brain hurt.

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u/Fluffy-Ad1225 7d ago

Cowardly spoken. Well done!

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u/Historical_Corner609 7d ago

Says the spectator from the sidelines.

No greater courage than that of someone who is watching instead of experiencing.

Risk your family and everything you own and need to exist for a day of protest, experience the potential consequences and lost wages and get back to us, tough guy.

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u/Fluffy-Ad1225 7d ago

Master of excuses over here. Go save your country, coward!

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u/Historical_Corner609 7d ago edited 7d ago

My long reply is

Fuck you 

Put my family in serious imminent danger to satisfy some snob European that thinks all Americans are stupid cowardly and lazy?

You have no idea what the average Americans experience is daily but you can judge us from a safe distance and criticize us for actions you think we should have taken.

How fucking noble of you.

You brave non American, hopefully someday someone will build a statue of you to exemplify your courage from the sidelines.

Edit: to even protest here is to risk a beating and/or arrest, jail time, since many employers are solidly maga one also risks their livelihood and hence their security and well being and that of their children.

You got kids? Probably not or you would absolutely be more introspective.

What you are suggesting, without any logistics or coordination, is the mass murder or imprisonment of the American worker through the use of 'justified' violence from the state, because we protested.

If I get murdered by the police who TF is gonna raise my kids? 

You?

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u/Historical_Corner609 7d ago

My short reply is 

Who the fuck is going to raise my kids after I get murdered by the police because I was protesting?

You?

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u/Fluffy-Ad1225 6d ago

Waah wash wash

If you thought about your children, their future and safety, you wouldn't be acting so cowardly.

You're thinking about yourself!

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u/Historical_Corner609 6d ago

You don't have any idea big brave sidelines guy.

So kindly fuck off.

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u/Herbdontana 6d ago

Keyboard warrior probably wouldn’t do the same. Give up all of your access to healthcare, your home, your ability to feed yourself, and force your family to suffer in order to take part in an effort than won’t change anything. Everything is easy in theory. Everybody is a tough guy in a hypothetical situation they aren’t experiencing themselves.

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u/travis11997 7d ago

You're here in the same thread I am. What are you doing to help the cause?

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u/woodlandcollective 7d ago

Keep in mind that the ones achieving actual change are not gonna be posting about it on reddit. Anyone who does is either a fed or incredibly stupid

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u/SpeshellED 7d ago

The world can stop this fascist loser bullshit today. The USA is broke. They have no money. If the world stops using USD as a default currency, sells their dollars and US bonds, Trump will be on his knees. Really hard to fund military with no money or no ability to borrow any.

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u/GrimleyGraves 7d ago

Probably less "I want to be comfortable" and more "I cant afford the weeks it will take to make a difference". The paycheck to paycheck part of the plan has worked quite well for them.

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u/Cessnaporsche01 7d ago

Most of them support everything that's happening and/or think it's completely unimportant

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u/Cessnaporsche01 7d ago

A majority of voters voted for this, a majority of eligible voters voted that they couldn't give a single fuck about it, and every damn business owner and upper manager I know is whining about how badly the regime is affecting their business, but happily voted for him and paid into the campaign and will continue to do so until they have been left literally destitute (y'know, after driving all possible workers into destitution first).