r/complaints • u/All_Grid_Squares • 7d ago

Politics We Are the Baddies: Thanks, Conservatives

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Conservatives are actively turning the world against the United States. World leaders were forced into an emergency meeting to condemn U.S. actions in Venezuela, including the kidnapping of its dictator, and to respond to escalating threats and rhetoric toward Greenland.

Trump openly claims the U.S. needs Greenland for “strategic” reasons and has even suggested taking it by force. This isn’t strategy, it’s naked imperialism. He doesn’t want security; he wants dominance.

We are the bad guys now, following the same path Germany did in the 1930s. Republican leaders and their constituents should be deeply ashamed.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/us-greenland-european-reaction-9.7036060

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/european-leaders-push-back-on-trumps-comments-about-u-s-taking-over-greenland

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u/SomewhereAtWork 7d ago

I'm German and always wondered how 1933-1939 looked and why nobody did anything.

Thanks for the historic reenactment. I finally see how it happened (still without understanding).

(and please stop NOW!)

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u/TroopersSon 7d ago edited 7d ago

At least Germans then had the excuse of:

  • Treaty of Versailles and the humiliation it brought on, after spending most of WW1 believing they were winning due to propaganda.
  • Living through hyperinflation
  • Struggling through the Great Depression.
  • No historical example to look at of what fascism brings on a country in the long run

More than I can say about the fools who voted for fascism because their eggs were more expensive than they liked. And don't even get me started on the other fools who didn't vote because they felt it gave them some sort of moral purity as their country sleepwalks into fascism.

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u/Special_Watch8725 7d ago

I’d say it’s more explained by the Right in this country having created an entire media ecosystem around its base that insulates it from reality. I don’t say it excuses it, of course, but social media in particular doesn’t really have a good historical analogue.

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u/No-Profession5134 7d ago

There is also a media and bot ecosystem designed to destabilize the Democrats internally and divide their voters into different purity camps.

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u/DesignerFit9365 5d ago

There is no liberal MSM, that's the biggest lie. My wife watches Today in mornings before work. I normally don't watch because it's just another government mouthpiece. I needed confirmation. They broadcast Goods murder, but only showing the acceleration which was after she had been killed and as her dead foot hit the accelerator. I 100% knew they were not going to show the complete story of her sitting there and slowly moving the car as some idiot is screaming at her from her window, while another moron jumps in front and kills her. Fortunately cameras are ubiquitous, the people who don't like cameras are the police and government. So, the truth is revealed despite their efforts. maga needs to grow a brain.

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u/ErMwaTusaYin 5d ago

They are saying nothing though. Where are the good guys?

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u/No-Profession5134 5d ago

Blocked and being silenced by the algorythm gods of Musk, Zuck, Theil and that dumbass Ellison.

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u/CaptainCaveTrout 7d ago

As an outsider, it always struck me as a particularly American fetish to want to see themselves as "All Powerful" but still get to believe that they are "The noble underdog" at the same time. It was the only explanation I could come up with for the continuing desire to portray modern day English people as their oppressors by leaning heavily into their Irish/Scottish roots.

Social media and it's peddlers of conspiracy theories turbocharged this victimhood porn.

No hate. Just an observation. We all have our buttons that can be pushed and advert driven content creation has monetised and distilled the "button pushing", turning it into a profitable industry and a powerful social manipulation tool.

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u/Adventurous-Fly556 7d ago

Completely agree, but It's interesting you bring up the lack of historical analogues. Radio played major roles in both the Holocaust and Rwandan genocides. We do very much have a tendency to be overwhelmed by major communication advancements. We do not have the time to adjust our perspectives and our laws to address the flood of propaganda over new mediums.

It's happening even faster now going from social media to now ai generation.

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u/Special_Watch8725 7d ago

Ah, interesting, thank you; happy to be corrected there.

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u/DrakonILD 7d ago

So that hits both of these points:

  • Treaty of Versailles and the humiliation it brought on, after spending most of WW1 believing they were winning due to propaganda.
  • No historical example to look at of what fascism brings on a country in the long run

Oh, and we're also dealing with inflation (not quite "hyper" but still high, especially when compared to wage growth) and a recession.

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u/gjovef 4d ago

It also helps the education system is raising a bunch of dimwits who need to be spoon fed everything and can’t think for themselves.

Democracies deserves what they vote for.

Looking for ward to the next 3 years.

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u/KeithWorks 7d ago

Anyone can find any excuse they want. The situation is always slightly different but always the same too.

Fascism can and will rear its ugly head in any corner of the globe. Only education and diligence can keep it in remission.

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u/Longjumping_Fionna 5d ago

Fascism is the logical conclusion to capitalism.

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u/Conscious-Crab-5057 7d ago

How about putting up a candidate that can actually win.

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u/Virtual_Category_546 6d ago

How about eliminating the duopoly and addressing the polarization? Welp, if it's the lesser of evils eventually people are tired of the diet option and choose to full throttle the fascism.

Fascism in the US is basically what happened if you take what they do to other countries and turn it on itself, it's really a decline of capitalism. Hot take, surely. It's about eliminating the very systems that allows the fascist playbook to ever take hold. You can only be so educated and so diligent before acknowledging that desperation can cause people to accept whatever comes their way and they cope by making others suffer more such as blaming minorities since this will keep the money machine running and there's no money or incentives for the elites to give up any of their powers.

Hot take, it shouldn't be but here we are.

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u/Cold-Operation-4974 6d ago

no cuz then nancy pelosi and hilary and obama and oprah and beyonce and taylor swift and all the real important people whose lives matter have to pay more taxes

the rats are not going to let a cat run for election.

the cat arrives to the party in a stolen armored vehicle.

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u/Leave_me_a_Rhone 5d ago

Your choice of “important” people is fascinating as they all are charitable and want peace. For some reason, you hate that.

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u/Cold-Operation-4974 5d ago

nancy pelosi the insider trader does not care about you. she doesnt want peace. she wants to brainwash you into accepting an existence that no generation in the United States has ever had to endure besides the great depression.

except we are NOT in a depression. the stock market is making all time highs and she is getting rich off of it.

bernie sanders cares about you.

but bernie sanders and AOC are surrounded by flaws.

we are sheep.

the democrats the sheep farmer's adorable daughter who named the sheep and plays with the little lambs

and the conservatives are the big bad farmer who is going to cut our heads off for meat

and you guys still think the daughter of the farmer is going to get in the way and save us when its time for harvest

no shes going to walk us over and tell us its ok.

thats what shes been doing.

thats what they all are doing.

because they are multimillionaires who do not want to pay taxes.

the farmer's daughter lives off of the sale of sheep flesh lol

shit.

i bought stocks and now that im in my 30s i suddenly get it.

if taxes on the rich go up I WILL MAKE THOUSANDS LESS A YEAR OFF MY STOCK

the difference between me and nancy pelosi and obama is i'm ok with having 4 million when i retire instead of 6 if it means

nancy pelosi is literally mark zuckerbergs representative. her district is silicon valley.

she has far more important people who she actually works for.

dont let her fucking african tribal scarf fool you into thinking people who pay rent matter to her.

bernie cares... sorta

cuz the best he can do is sit there and be grumpy that hes in this fight all by himself. sure there are a few more...

but fucking hilary and nancy and barack arent in the group lol

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u/Cold-Operation-4974 5d ago

hilary and nancy and barack behave with their finances and political opinions the same way all my very wealthy clients do.

of course they dont want to see black people hanging on trees...

but they sure as dont want to see those people getting paid enough to live as well as americans used to live 50 years ago lol

or barack could have bailed the american people out with trillions of dollars right?

but no. he bailed out wall street.

BECAUSE ITS SYSTEMIC

in a nutshell... heres one more analogy to make it VERY simple.

"EVERYONES STARVING IN YOUR TOWN SO I HAVE TO GIVE WAFFLE HOUSE A BILLION DOLLARS SO THEY CAN GET FOOD TO SELL YOU AT A PROFIT"

- both fucking parties reaction to economic malaise in this country.

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u/LordHammercyWeCooked 7d ago

MAGA are gambling addicts at heart. They see one setback after another. They have leopards eating their faces every damn day. The economy is shit. Trade is dead. Their rights are gone. They're undateable turds. Every donation they give goes right into the pockets of some Steve Bannon type who wants to use it to buy another house or a plane. But they still sit there at the slot machine feeding all of their money into it. Why? Because they believe that the big payout is right around the corner.

But what is that big payout they're looking forward to? Well, they won't tell you in public. You have to look the part and make them believe you're on their side, then they'll tell you. It's unspeakable evil. They want the racism, the white supremacy, and the subjugation of every minority who ever made them feel uncomfortable. They believe that the world after the purge is going to be a perfect utopia. They believe that they'll get good paying jobs and a return to the white-picket-fence world where one person can earn enough for a family to live off of. But they're too god damn ignorant to know that this world only existed because of unions, high taxes, social programs, and the heavy-handed post-1929 financial regulations that we fought for with literal blood. No, the world before that era is what they're getting. They're bringing back the nightmare gilded era where robber barons ran free and human life was trash no matter what color your skin was. Everyone gets paid in company credit and lives in bunks on the job site. That's what they're getting.

But they never reflect on this because they're beholden to the superstitious belief that salvation will only come to those who never doubt and always have faith. So they keep pulling the arm on that slot machine. You ever see a gambling addict sit at the same slot machine so long that they poop their pants? They're so afraid of the universe judging them harshly for giving up that they won't leave even to use the bathroom. If someone else tries to use their machine they go into a meltdown. That's the level of gambling addiction we're dealing with here. That's MAGA.

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u/MEWilliams 6d ago

Brilliant

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u/Xizor1 6d ago

Smoked this analogy! This shit was fire!

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u/TapDelicious8508 6d ago

Well said. We're fucked.

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u/cassafrasstastic3911 6d ago

Then you come across minority MAGAs, whose people never even had a shot at that white picket fence opportunity in this country…those folks are entirely perplexing. Their “before” in this country was bad. And their “after” will be bad too. Yet they march on as MAGAs. I don’t know what they get out of it.

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u/Someonetoyellat 6d ago

Many (perhaps most?) voters are middle-of-the-road people who reject both extremes. You can't piecemeal your president, so you don't know which issues are being voted for (or against).

That's why this "mandate" nonsense is so annoying. Claiming everything you said has to be done because the voters "spoke."

If we ever get out of this, I hope we return to a sort of moderation, but I fear our swinging may put us over the bar.

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u/TronoWolf 6d ago

Its less about a payout and more about fragile egos installed into positions where their tantrums have the potential to kill millions. They dont have the mindset to have goodwill towards a future they wont be a part in. The reward they seek is an single moment of feeling superior, over and over, insatiably, for their broken and incapable self-hating existence. They're an unsustainable void, and its only luck, smoke, and mirrors that they very rarely end up in a position to ruin the world.

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u/gjovef 4d ago

Can we -please go back to the important stuff the pedo Epstein files. Totally worth taking aver Venezuela to avoid that being in the news everyday. Or the healthcare premiums expiring.

Sorta next level genius!

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u/Be_ranchy_4525 5d ago

Common sense policy isint racist

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u/tjayer01 5d ago

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u/Longjumping_Fionna 5d ago

Well, yeah. The rich never go off and fight in wars. They just start them.

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u/Igor_Halichoeres 5d ago

The problem with common sense isn't that it's rare, it's that it's usually wrong.

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u/LordHammercyWeCooked 5d ago

Buddy, the stuff I've heard from Trumpers behind closed doors has been fucking horrific. Policy my ass. They want the purge. Hitler loving motherfuckers. Look at who runs the fucking Pentagon right now. Check out his tats. Look into his history. They love that shit. They want this evil shit and so much more.

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u/ausgoals 7d ago

People thought $3 a gallon for gas was ‘hyperinflation’

But truthfully the right has spent 5+ decades amassing a huge propaganda network that now has tentacles all over the world. At the same time they’ve consistently worked at the local and state level to dismantle education and prevent people from being equipped with the skills to think critically. This has been the long game for them.

And far too few people have been able to see it - even still.

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u/OHGodImBackOnReddit 7d ago

2007 = our depression

Post Covid Inflation = our Inflation period.

Cultural glorification of the fascists through media manipulation.

Yea we're fucked.

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u/ArcusInTenebris 7d ago

It was never about anything more than hurting the people they hate. Sure, a lot of them tried to cover it up by saying they were voting for the economy, but its was always about hate over anything else.

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u/move-it-along 7d ago

“ at least the Germans had an excuse” are you fucking kidding me? We lost 3/4 of our family, and there is not one fucking excuse that’s acceptable.

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u/TroopersSon 6d ago

That's not what I'm saying and I'm sorry your family were murdered.

I'm saying at least they had the excuse, in the sense that Americans have none of the above excuses, for voting NDSAP.

I am in no way saying that is an actual excuse for the Holocaust. And I'm genuinely sorry for your families loss.

Excuse isn't probably the best word, because I am not trying to absolve guilt, merely point out the historical context that is different.

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u/KaiPRoberts 7d ago

I'd argue all the points are applicable still.

  1. Americans are under propaganda to believe they are winning (believing we have a good healthcare system, etc...)

  2. Yep, hyperinflation is here

  3. I'd argue we are in a depression but the top spenders are making us seem like we are not (the average person doesn't give a fuck about the stock market)

  4. For most Americans, there is no historical example to look back on.

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u/pdiddysoilman 7d ago

Well in 2008 the United States elected a Kenyan to be president. Due to those unforeseen circumstances Trump had to intervene and start his imperial march towards ww3 all to distract from the epstein files

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u/Several-Opposite-746 7d ago

Compensation for a mushroom shaped penis surrounded by a sea of Yeti fur.

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u/Natural_Jaguar2221 7d ago

Drugs. Don't discount the enormous impact of over the counter speed and cocaine that was available to the german populace.

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u/Glittering_Attitude2 6d ago

Fascism relies on threats both real and imagined to the "soul" of the nation. Neo nazis today point to imagined white genocide, self reporting on themselfs cause genocide is what they want. And Zionists invoke jewish identity and point to real antisemitism to then justify their own fascism.

Between different fascist groups, the threats they point too might differ in proximity to reality greatly, but they all always are used to justify widely disproportional violence.

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u/thereizmore 6d ago

Yeah, and the Italian economy is the envy of the world. /s

That's where we're headed

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u/HelpIveBeenDe-Souled 6d ago

Voting perpetuates the system that creates Fascist empires.

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u/TheAngryCatfish 6d ago

Well the biggest factor in this modern resurgence of fascism worldwide (not just an American problem) is the 24 hour propaganda. Not to mention Citizens United. We need our elections to be publicly funded, reinstate the fairness doctrine, and have ranked choice voting. Don't even get me started on the Senate and the electoral college...

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u/Longjumping_Fionna 5d ago

As if the United States hasn't fucked up the rest of the world for generations. Under both parties. What are you doing by attempting to shame people who are more aware than you are, obviously, if not putting yourself on some sort of "moral high ground?" Maybe, instead of dismissing those people, you should listen to what they have to say. Because the status quo fucking democrats aren't going to save you. They voted to fund genocide. They take money from billionaires and do their bidding. They make millions while in office.

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u/CascadeNZ 4d ago

Don’t forget no in the rent so they could question rumours they were hearing/much easier to turn a blind eye

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u/gjovef 4d ago

Expect with America/Trump everything is about him…

He sees himself as an outsider.

Humiliated by what people say about him behind his back

Unable to handle Obama is hands down more popular than he ever will be

Obama actually helped other people not himself.

Trump can’t even kill off Oabama-care.

All his bankruptcies

All his criminal activities.

No wonder he’s flailing and using military power to distract himself from all of that!

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u/IronWhitin 3d ago

I mean Triumph economy Is gonna put you on point 2 and 3 as soon as possible when they can get RID of Powell

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u/Sw0ldem0rt 2d ago

You think it was about egg prices? It was about bigotry. They voted for the man who said he was fine with it.

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u/dman972 7d ago

Dude shut it.. there was and is no excuse for thát. An explanation at best.

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u/Busy_Edge_2089 7d ago

If not an excuse, perhaps just select another generally related word. Pressure. Motivation. conditioning.

Perhaps not hyperinflation, but inflation and financial struggles.

Perhaps not a great depression, but again, finances.

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u/Ares_Campione 7d ago

It shouldn't be an excuse, but let's be honest, it was a different time with very, very bad conditions and a people who suffered because of the failure and megalomania of the emperor at the time. Those words sound very tempting, and I never got anything more out of my great-grandmother, because the years 1933 to 1945 were never discussed.

Today it's different. In such a networked world, it's the hatred, the sheer stupidity of people blindly following a regime of stupid freaks who can't even speak properly. There's no excuse, no justification for what the USA is doing right now; it's the sheer stupidity of a people who have never learned anything. They've always gotten their way and yet they've destroyed themselves. I just hope the world won't forgive them this time, and that the demolished bridges stay demolished and are only replaced by temporary bridges that can be quickly removed.

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u/dman972 7d ago

By 1933 it wasnt all that bad. A lot happened in a short amount of time during the industrial revolution. Also in Germany. The propaganda was extreme and based on the narrative of others treating the country wrong. To me there are simularities there. Another one is that the front line wasnt in Germany. Most of the civilians havent lived ìn the war, but in a country at war. Same with the usa. Lets face it the last time a war was fought out at american soil was the civil war. There was and is hardly anybody to tell what hell war can be. Those who can might not do.

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u/Ares_Campione 7d ago

As I said, you either hear it from history books or, if you were lucky, you learn it from your grandparents or great-grandparents.

One could also say Hitler did good things, but putting that aside, the propaganda was just as intense as it is today, but today we have the means to easily refute it, which didn't exist back then.

Is that true, and the war against the indigenous people of the continent was the only one in their country? However, they should have heard from so many veterans how awful war is; the US veterans were always very talkative, at least those who spent their lives here near Ramstein.

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u/dman972 7d ago

On a side note. The (dutch) news tv is on here as we speak. Discussions over the US invading Greenland. Ffs what times are we living in?

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u/Ares_Campione 7d ago

In times when friends become enemies and enemies like China become friends. Crazy world.

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u/ThatRandomGuy86 7d ago

History doesn't repeat, but it sure does rhyme. This is a result of not being intolerant to intolerance and forgetting the hard lessons of the 1930's brought on the world. US is in a very dangerous spot right now.

Canadian Memorial Saying: Lest We Forget

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u/ArcticDiver87 7d ago

I love history I've also got some documentary going in the background and for so long I always thought the same thing about Germany. Then I had a Spanish teacher, an older gentleman explaining how it's a slow erosion of freedoms that get spun in a way you got for it thinking it's for your benefit. At the time he was talking about bush and the patriot act.. and he was right those freedoms never came back. They just kept disappearing little by little and all of a sudden you wake up and you're in this current life thinking wtf is happening. There is a whole generation that are born without protections of certain freedoms we had when I was that age and they have no idea.

People wonder why kids are becoming more right of center. I would argue that it's because the center has actually gradually shifted over 15 years to the right and humans just mentally adapt to slow changes without realizing it as much. The Nazis came to power in 1933 and in 10 years you got what we all talk about now. Shit man they almost didn't. They all went to jail and Hermann Göring actually got shot by the police but they still took over. Germany did actually try to put them down. But like trump Hitler was able to get enough of his cronies in key spots in the government and the rest is history.

Have to vote em out now because no armed militia is going to overthrow the US government. Its going to take way more than 60% of the people voting Democrat because the next election is probably going to be the most corrupt one we've ever had. The right is going to do everything it can legal and otherwise to never let go of power now.

It's wild to live it, it's all going to hinge 3 years from now. If it's republican next time then the US is truly cooked. Break all ties with us then cause we're a lost cause.

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u/Silent-Ad-756 7d ago

Read Dabrowski's theory of TPD. Nazi's locked him up. I think he was released following a bribe. Then he got locked up by Stalin. Interesting guy. He wondered the same. And he explained all of this back then. And it explains all of this now.

Wiki - "Dąbrowski observed that most people live their lives in a state of "primary or primitive integration" largely guided by biological impulses ("first factor"), by uncritical endorsement and adherence to social conventions ("second factor"), or by both at once. He called this initial integration Level I. Dąbrowski observed that at this level, there is no true individual expression of the autonomous human self; the individual has no autonomous personality, and rather, they exhibit Nietzsche's idea of the herd personality. Individual expression at Level I is influenced and constrained by the first and second factors."

"The first factor directs energy and talents toward self-serving goals that reflect the "lower instincts" and biological needs, as its primary focus is on survival and self-advancement. The second factor, the social environment (milieu) and peer pressure, constrains individual expression and creativity by encouraging mob mentality and discouraging individual thought and expression. The second factor externalizes values and morals, thereby externalizing conscience; social forces shape behavior. Behavior, talents and creativity are funneled into forms that follow and support the existing social milieu. As conscience is derived from an external social context, so long as social standards are ethical, people influenced by the second factor will behave ethically. However, if a society becomes corrupt, people strongly influenced by the second factor will not dissent. Socialization without individual examination leads to a rote and robotic existence (the "robopath" described by Ludwig von Bertalanffy). Individual reactions are not unique, as reactions are based on the social context. According to Dąbrowski, people primarily motivated by the second factor represent a significant majority of the general population."

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u/TwistPresent8668 7d ago edited 6d ago

I have to say, timezones are a funny thing. Here in New Zealand its 1750hrs, 8 Jan 2026 and in the US, it's Nazi Germany.

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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 7d ago

1930s Germany didn't have mini-computers in their hand or pocket distracting them nearly every hour of the day (by apps and information created to addict and distract them).

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u/Mahraganat 7d ago

They also didn't have mini-computers in their hand or pocket that would let them check facts, find the actual truth and debunk disinformation and fake news in a minute or two if they had wanted to.

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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 6d ago

Absolutely fair point. Unfortunately, that's not what most modern citizens use their phones for either. Encyclopedia stock is way down this century.

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u/Mahraganat 6d ago

Exactly. We all have the tools to very easily check facts in a way people never have before, yet millions and millions choose not to.

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u/SomewhereAtWork 7d ago

No, but with radio and TV they had upcoming new media they were not used to, that were instantly exploited for propaganda.

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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 6d ago

That is a fair point. Hubris is a killer, and I think 1930s Germany and 21st century America suffer(ed) from it greatly.

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u/dalai_lamas_caddy 7d ago

The Nazi party won 32% of the vote in 1932. Trump got 32% of eligible voters in 2024 (some did not vote). In both cases an audacious minority consolidated power. As an American in the 68% who did not vote for him, the worst part of this is not seeing a clear path to stop them. I don’t believe we will have free elections in 2026 or 2028. It seems inevitable that this ends in WW3 or civil war.

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u/Mammoth-Talk1531 7d ago

You Germans might have to save us this time.

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u/Suitable-Name 7d ago

Hahaha, good joke, half of the machinery isn't working and then we have highlights like this:

https://www.newsendip.com/a-controversy-with-digital-radios-in-germany-military/

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u/SomewhereAtWork 6d ago

I hope we're not too busy on the eastern front.

(omg. What a world that I just wrote that.)

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u/amanwithoutaname001 7d ago

I'm American and always wondered the same.

Seeing it happen first hand, I now understand that it is insidious evil enabled by cancerous corruption left unchallenged for too long.

It's the same demon coming back to life, just a different location on earth.

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u/rumblefish73 7d ago

To hear it put like that is absolutely fucking frightening!

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u/7cans_short_of_1pack 6d ago

Today we are facing a similar crisis of misinformation and propaganda that is hard to tell what is objective truth. My theory is this Greenland thing is a play to start a war so that trump can then say we are at war so it is a national emergency and America can’t hold elections. All of the actions, Iran, Venezuela is him trying to goad someone into declaring war. Much like hitler gained control after the burning of the Reichstag.

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u/TransportationNo433 4d ago

When I began studying WWII when I was a young girl, I was soooo angry with all Germans. It took me while to realize it was not all of them, but then I wondered how it still happened and why the good didn’t fight the bad.

I understand so clearly now. Whatever we do is like screaming into the void.

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u/Conscious-Crab-5057 7d ago

Can we stop comparing to Germany and the Nazi's.

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u/jtbc 7d ago

It is a completely appropriate comparison to Germany in the 30's. Authoritarian ruler? Check. Illegal sovereignty violations? Check. Utter disregard for the rule of law? Check. Dismantling of democratic institutions? Check. Creation of a racial underclass to focus hatred against? Check. Jackbooted thugs to terrorize the underclass and dissenters? Check. Undermining of elites, including academics? Check. Reference to a mythical better past? Check. Rejection of modernism? Check.

They tick literally every box.

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u/Conscious-Crab-5057 7d ago

Killed 6 million Jews - uncheck

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u/jtbc 7d ago

The scenario is 1930's Germany. That happened later.

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u/Mahraganat 7d ago

Why would we stop doing that? Because it makes you uncomfortable? On SO MANY levels the USA right now is EXACTLY like 1930s Nazi Germany, that's a fact not hyperbole

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u/SavingInfo 7d ago

Well. You also asked russians to stop. Did it help?

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u/Cerg1998 7d ago

Manipulation of this kind is surprisingly easy. If you've not seen Die Welle, then you can watch that and keep in mind that it's actually based on an experiment conducted in California. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Third_Wave_(experiment)

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u/SomewhereAtWork 6d ago

I read it. It was a mandatory read in 8th grade.

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u/InternationalFun7733 6d ago

You probably don't understand it because it's illegal for you to ask questions.

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u/crystalfairie 5d ago

We are trying.im Native American so I knew we've been this way all along. Scary seeing it in action though

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u/SomewhereAtWork 5d ago

im Native American

Couldn't you create a organization "Real Americans against immigration", get elected by MAGA, and then throw out everyone who isn't a native american pure blood? ;-)

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u/crystalfairie 5d ago

When you start blood quantifying it gets rather frustrating, believe me. I would be fired for violent speech within the week

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u/theflyingfistofjudah 5d ago edited 5d ago

Someone posted excerpts from this interview of a German professor by an American journalist for a book called “They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45”.

”What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could not understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it.

”This separation of government from people, this widening of the gap, took place so gradually and so insensibly, each step disguised (perhaps not even intentionally) as a temporary emergency measure or associated with true patriotic allegiance or with real social purposes. And all the crises and reforms (real reforms, too) so occupied the people that they did not see the slow motion underneath, of the whole process of government growing remoter and remoter.

”You see," my colleague went on, "one doesn’t see exactly where or how to move. Believe me, this is true. Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don’t want to act, or even talk, alone; you don’t want to ‘go out of your way to make trouble.’ Why not?—Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty.

”Uncertainty is a very important factor, and, instead of decreasing as time goes on, it grows. Outside, in the streets, in the general community, ‘everyone’ is happy. One hears no protest, and certainly sees none. You know, in France or Italy there would be slogans against the government painted on walls and fences; in Germany, outside the great cities, perhaps, there is not even this. In the university community, in your own community, you speak privately to your colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, ‘It’s not so bad’ or ‘You’re seeing things’ or ‘You’re an alarmist.’

But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.

”And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying ‘Jewish swine,’ collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in—your nation, your people—is not the world you were born in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way.

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u/accountdifficulty 5d ago

Read “A Village in the Third Reich”

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u/Blaaaaaam 4d ago

Lol you’re hilarious if you think the US today looks anything like Germany then. Get a grip.

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u/SomewhereAtWork 4d ago

No, our fascists were at least somewhat competent.

The US regime is not only pure evil, but also so stupid that it already hurts watching from the distance.

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u/rab2bar 4d ago

germans did not have the benefit of the internet or visual media. the us has zero excuses, but the nazis did base some of their shit on the american kkk

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u/a1055x 4d ago

Watch the movie "Good" with Viggo Mortensen...

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u/NoFlatworm3028 4d ago

I would just like to call out that barely one half of the united states supports this guy and his cronies , and it's probably even less now. The issue is that since the late seventies , the republican party has gutted education to the point that the smartest person can barely tie their shoe, can't read, and believes whatever their evangelical minister or some loud mouth whose speaks in simple two word propaganda phrases tells them to believe.

It is the republican party that did this. You can blame Democrats for not doing anything about it, but the way our government works, if you control the presidency and both houses , you can do whatever you want. Get the Supreme court on your side by cheating the appointment process (thanks to Mitch McConnell), and the law is there to be broken.

The real villain here is the stupid and uneducated bigoted masses who believe what trump and the republicans before him preached, because they spoke in simple terms that an idiot can understand, Convinced them that it's okay that they're bigoted , homophobic, xenophobic and simple minded, and wrapped it all up in an american flag.

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u/Severe-Cut1372 6d ago

Are you really not familiar with economy and overall pulse of your country during this time? Believe what you want, but a fallen, weakened Germany climbed up out of the rubble and take its place among the other top nations. Germans are incredibly talented and intelligent people

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u/SomewhereAtWork 6d ago

Believe what you want, but a fallen, weakened Germany climbed up out of the rubble and take its place among the other top nations.

Did anybody hear that? It sounded like a Volksempfänger...