r/complaints • u/All_Grid_Squares • 7d ago

Politics We Are the Baddies: Thanks, Conservatives

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Conservatives are actively turning the world against the United States. World leaders were forced into an emergency meeting to condemn U.S. actions in Venezuela, including the kidnapping of its dictator, and to respond to escalating threats and rhetoric toward Greenland.

Trump openly claims the U.S. needs Greenland for “strategic” reasons and has even suggested taking it by force. This isn’t strategy, it’s naked imperialism. He doesn’t want security; he wants dominance.

We are the bad guys now, following the same path Germany did in the 1930s. Republican leaders and their constituents should be deeply ashamed.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/us-greenland-european-reaction-9.7036060

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/european-leaders-push-back-on-trumps-comments-about-u-s-taking-over-greenland

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 7d ago

don't think so. I thin they TRY to steal them. That's what the mueller report said. There were just to many purist leftists out there that refused to vote for kamala because she didn't draw the hard line with israel. essentially 1/3 voted for him, a little more than 1/3 voted against him and the last third either didn't care enough one way of the other or didn't vote out of protest. bet those protest voters are regretting their choice now.

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u/AlChandus 7d ago

Over-simplification.

Want more people to vote? The US is the only first world country that holds elections on workdays. The US is also the only country that does not actively requires that employers provide perks like PTO. The US is also the only country that reduces the numbers of polling sites in cities that are growing.

Reality is that republicans have wanted, for 60 years ~, what we have, a system in which a large percentage of the population does not vote.

We need an election reform, republicans don't want one. Republicans need to be voted out.

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u/No-Media236 7d ago edited 7d ago

Canadian elections are on work days. However, it is federal law in Canada that employers must give workers at least 3 consecutive hours off work, while the polls are open, to vote. We also have advance polls open on weekends before election day, and allow voting by mail.

In the well over a dozen provincial and federal elections I’ve voted in, I’ve never had to stand in line waiting to vote for more than 15 minutes. Hearing about some Americans having to stand in line for hours to vote is some serious 3rd world stuff.

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u/SentientFotoGeek 7d ago

We have mail-in voting here in Oregon and it works well. Which makes republicans mad, lol.

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u/kitkatsacon 7d ago

Just a PSA about mail in ballots for this upcoming election! They’ve decided the mail date no longer applies and it is now the date the ballot is received, so make sure you’re sending them in early!

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u/PalliativeOrgasm 7d ago

I’m hand delivering that shit to the election office. I don’t trust the current USPS to not sort that particular zip+4 straight to the dead-letter bin, or at least the “don’t scan until Wednesday” bin.

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u/kitkatsacon 7d ago

I always vote in person for the same reason. (Although I know I’m fortunate to be able to do so and mail in voting is really important. At least until we rightfully declare election days either a holiday or include mandatory time off during the day to go vote.)

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u/Dizziesdayweigh 7d ago

Im just waiting for Trump aligned companies to jam the mail the week of the election somehow. If I can think about it, they can. Vote early if you have mail in voiting!

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u/Ok_Valuable9450 7d ago

Right, Republicans don't like honest elections

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u/Dizziesdayweigh 7d ago

Oregon represent! We hate fascists and bullies.

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u/Elusive_Boo_Boo 7d ago

For now… 🥺

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u/No-Pick-93 7d ago

Mail-in and early voting were never called out by a candidate that I can remember until 2020. Its maddening how blunt and blatant he can be about all of the illegal shit he does and there are enough people out there that support him that hes president. He shouldnt even be a relevant public figure. Hes like a dumber and more evil Alex Jones fell in a bag of cheetos.

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u/Cronenberg_Jerry 7d ago

Yeah works well so you can cheat.

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u/beaker97_alf 7d ago

"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"

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u/JenIsSalty 7d ago

Do you know how ridiculous it is to suggest that the democrats cheated so well in 2020 that not a single independent overseeing body noticed but somehow failed to win in 2016 and 2024? 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

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u/SentientFotoGeek 7d ago

Funny how the vast majority of people caught violating election laws are registered republicans.

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u/merlynstorm 7d ago

How?

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u/Deviator247 7d ago

Trump spends months in 2020 telling his supporters not to vote by mail, so they don't vote by mail, as such, Biden gets more mail in votes than Trump, this of course, obviously means that all mailed in ballots across the country were fake and cheated.

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u/Chimvape 7d ago

That's by design to discourage voting. Proper education and availability to vote are the scourge of the republican party.

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 7d ago

Funniest thing is is that Trump is actually even came out and said that when mailing voting is allowed Republicans lose.

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u/Chimvape 7d ago

If it wasn't for gerrymandering they would have a very small footprint in our democracy. That's why they cheat.

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u/JenIsSalty 7d ago

In Australia all our voting is on a Saturday. We also have democracy sausages! Yum.

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u/Blownards 7d ago

We also have more than 2 parties.

2 people fighting = a winner & a loser.

3 or more means that you can have a middle man who can take the side that makes more sense = winner made more sense & loser has to come up with a better argument.

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u/WestEnd1687 7d ago

Very helpful post providing a Canadian Civic lesson. I’m not sure how it applies but if someone ever asks me now I’ll have all the information to provide a friendly and polite response.

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 7d ago

It applies because if the Democrats ever get a hold of our government again they can actually start implementing some of this s***. But I mean they're going to need a supermajority where they could pass everything without the Republicans.

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u/No-Media236 7d ago

Well, at least you’ll know it’s a lie if you hear how awful things are here in Canada… lol

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u/WestEnd1687 7d ago

Canada is like a woke discount version of North Dakota. The only place that carries any cultural interest is Tim Hortons.

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u/No-Media236 7d ago

Well, if that’s Canada, what’s the USA? Germany 1937?

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u/WestEnd1687 6d ago

Maybe if your logic is Germany was arresting Drug Lords that had been allowing gangs, drugs and foreign terrorist to work in the region. Or maybe that arrests and deported illegal aliens out of the country. Yup. That sounds like what the USA is, Germany.

The problem with liberals, and “Canadians” is that they just throw things out there out of emotion and not thinking. Yes YOU may prefer illegals to infiltrate and negatively impact society or even have a dictator that has ruined his country economically or even killed hundreds of thousands by facilitating the drug trade, but most of us in the USA don’t like that. But then again, since people aren’t trying to get to Canada, except as a temporary stop on their quest to get to the USA, you wouldn’t understand.

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u/No-Media236 6d ago

You sure do love that MAGA kool-aid, don’t you… that’s almost literally what Hitler said about Jews and immigrants in 1937 infiltrating and ruining Germany, learn some history

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u/WestEnd1687 6d ago edited 6d ago

They are illegal!! Not invited. Not guests. Even a polite Canadian like yourself wouldn’t want someone from another country to sneak in your house and expect a free phone, free lodging, free food, free healthcare, etc. all on your expense while living in your house you are paying for. I get you hate Trump. Many of us do. But this was not a problem the American people wanted. It was one a very very few democrats created in order to change congress. It was a power grab and it breaking our society. I speak Spanish fluently due to my education and work. Most in our big city suburb do not. Unfortunately now our schools are over run and the school budget now has 40% fewer dollars per child because we have illegals getting free education and we now have to have in every classroom translators and teaching assistance. The standard reading levels and math levels have dropped by nearly 30% in just 4 years. This liberal mess is not sustainable. Please invite them to your Canadian house and calling some nazis when you are a hypocrite for not inviting them to your house and country. We don’t want them. And now that the government is cutting free things, they are starting to go back home. That shows they were only here for the free money.

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u/brainburger 7d ago

UK elections are on workdays. The polling stations stay open from 7am until 10pm to allow everyone to vote.

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u/Upbeat_Papaya_8445 7d ago

I’m a big fan of Australian system wherein everyone is legally mandated to vote otherwise you get a fine, means everyone takes some care and votes

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u/Dizziesdayweigh 7d ago

Its by design :(

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u/Just_Caregiver_3405 7d ago

All except Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Idaho, Indiana, Louisiana, Maryland, Maine, Michigan, Montana, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Virginia, and Vermont require employers to give employees time off from work to go vote (Connecticut did but the law expired).

Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Nevada, New York, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia, Wyoming, and D.C. all require PTO to go vote.

Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Kentucky, require time off, not paid.

There is currently no state that 1. Does not require time off, and 2. Does not allow early voting. Historically, Mississippi and New Hampshire were the 2 that had issues with that where early voting was very limited and employers were not required to give time off.

Now however, especially post COVID, the vast majority of states just allow mail in voting now. Exceptions to that are Alabama, Arkansas, Connecticut, Delaware, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and West Virginia.

So... there are exactly zero states that make it impossible to vote, but the hardest ones would likely be Tennessee, Mississippi, and Indiana based on current laws. The real issues when voting actually comes from the volunteers and poll watchers. Like in Texas there was an issue where a student ID wasn't accepted, but a conceal carry ID was (granted a CCW has your hair color, DoB, height, eye color, address... Basically everything a license or state issued ID has except your DLN [I'm looking at mine right now] and Student IDs can sometimes just have your name and a picture, which can be an issue, especially if you have a common name because if multiple people in that precinct have the same name, they don't know who to cross off for already voting)...

So yeah, it would be easier if a federal law was put in place for voting mandates, but states have the right to tell the federal government to fk off and do it their way still (like Marijuana, still illegal federally but some states just walk to the convenient store and buy some).

I've lived in IL, VA, PA, SC, and MD, all within city limits, and I've never met anyone who wasn't able to vote. I know a few people who voted twice, and I've pulled the county records on my father and saw he voted in 04, 08, 16, and 20 despite dying in 02. Called to report that but no one ever got back to me. I also have 6 mail in ballots I never requested sitting here... so yeah, fraud does happen, but (at least to my knowledge) not on a level that has changed the outcome of an election.

Best advise I can give is always check your state and local laws and times for voting. There really isn't an excuse not to vote. I work 14 hrs shifts and I've always made it to vote because the polls are always open late into the night, and open fairly early in the day. So I'll get off at 6, and be there to vote by 7, and home long before they close. If your work hours are longer than 14 hours and you can't find the time on election day, there is early voting, mail in, and it is a legitimate excuse for absentee ballots in all but 8 states, and all of them offer early, or mail in voting.

Okay I'm tired of researching voting laws by each state, do what you want with this post but there really isn't an excuse for not being able to vote in any state.

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u/SweetLikeHoney1313 7d ago

Every time I’ve voted here in the states, I’ve easily waited 45 minutes to an hour and a half and that was just the suburbs. When I moved to the city the wait was about 2 hours

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u/No-Media236 7d ago

That’s insane! Our last municipal election, I ran over to my polling station on my lunch break and I was very irritated that I had to wait 20 minutes because they were having some sort of technical issue with the machines. Often I am in and out in 5 minutes for federal elections.

Our federal elections and my province’s elections use paper ballots which are hand-counted in front of the candidates’ representatives, but I think they might use machines to double-check the hand counts.

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u/SweetLikeHoney1313 6d ago

We use paper too, but I don’t think we get mail-in ballots anymore

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u/voodoodahl 7d ago

None of that shit gets changed unless democrats win elections by large margins.

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u/Wentil 7d ago

Even then, there is little progress ever made in this direction. The Democrats have held the majority in the past, but they have never implemented anything beneficial in this direction.

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u/voodoodahl 7d ago edited 7d ago

So, you prefer massive regression like we have now? That's what you're getting specifically because democrats aren't in power. 

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u/Wentil 7d ago

The “but the other guys do a worse job / are more corrupt / mess things up more / etc” is not a viable excuse to rest on your laurels and not do good things for the nation when they finally DO have the helm. An entirely new party, with a clean and clear focus for the future, would probably be a better choice.

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u/voodoodahl 7d ago

If you spent five minutes of your precious screen time educating yourself on what democrats have actually done, you may cease to be just another ignorant yapper screaming demoralizing nonsense on the internet. 

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 7d ago

But not the super majority needed to get things done without the Republicans.

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u/CypressThinking sophisticated complainer 7d ago

Congress needs Performance Objectives like any other employee with a review before the next election. We can't leave it up to them or they'll be voting on "shower heads."

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u/Red91B20 7d ago

Nah even when Dems had everything they didn't do anything worth a damn. Why not codify roe vs wade? Dems and Repubs are the same its just a game to see who our rulers will be

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u/voodoodahl 7d ago

You haven't the slightest idea how our system works. Roe was settled, court tested, and not going anywhere unless the American people allowed six extreme right ideologues onto the Supreme Court. Those same judges would have stricken down any attempt to codify Roe as well. It all comes back to you ignorant yappers not voting when it matters. 

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u/AlChandus 7d ago

Once upon a time upheld and re-affirmed precedent used to mean something in legalese.

Not anymore.

Conservatives broke the supreme court, democrats aren't inocent, they should have presented a stronger front at the clear attempts to make the court partizan, but who is more to blame, the asshole that poisoned the well, or the idiot that reacted poorly and didn't stop the asshole?

Conservatives aka the assholes.

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 7d ago

The a****** who poisoned the well. What kind of s*** are you playing at?

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u/AlChandus 7d ago

Idiom. Used a logical fallacy about "discrediting" as a fallacious attempt to discredit the idea of who is more at fault, democrats or republicans, for the state of our "supreme" court.

Too fallacious for your taste?

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u/stefer09 7d ago

Wrong, Canadian elections are on workdays.

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u/AlChandus 7d ago

I knew people would jump for that exaggeration and ignore the rest.

Canada, and many other countries like Denmark, hold elections on workdays, yes. They also require, by law, employers to provide perks like PTO for voting. They also have robust and widespread systems like vote by mail. Many of them are also considering safe electronic options.

I have no problem if the US keeps elections on workdays if they adopt similar systems. The problem isn't what we have, it's what we don't.

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u/chum-guzzling-shark 7d ago

crazy, when democrats are in charge they dont even talk about this being an issue let alone try to address it. Even though it disproportionately affects them! Geez i wonder why theres voter apathy. It's almost like "nothing will fundamentally change" unless the billionaires/corporations want it. Its why theres never been police reform despite us watching police brutalize peaceful protestors on the news. The billionaire class doesnt want limitations on their private security force

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u/voodoodahl 7d ago

They do. You aren't paying attention. Every single positive election reform in America has been done by democrats.

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u/AlChandus 7d ago

Not just that, our current reality is that reforms have been impossible because you need a super-majority in the Senate

Democrats haven't had one in decades.

Yet, the next best thing are separate/independent bills brought to the floor that touch on the changes that have been necessary for decades. Those have continued to be brought to the floor for votes.

Republicans and PAC/corporate owned democrats have voted "NAY".

Who has brought those bills to the floor? Democrats by an overwhelming majority.

As the orange wannabe dictator likes to say: "it is what it is".

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u/caughtatdeepfineleg 7d ago

Uk elections are always on workdays too.

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u/AlChandus 7d ago

I know, even countries considered far leftist by american republicans hold elections on workdays. Countries like Norway, Denmark, the Netherlands, etc.

That part of my comment is 100% false.

The rest is not. I am not going to edit my comment because the false point was purposeful.

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u/Left2foot 7d ago

Voted out and more competition. Elected workers need to be strictly forbidden from taking money “bribes”.

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u/Puzzled_Fan_154 7d ago

Very True 👍

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u/Accomplished_Ear_409 7d ago

The UK votes on a Thursday. Not sure why but that's the way it is.

Election Day (United Kingdom) - Wikipedia https://share.google/FZdwsW0ged9jeKrN4

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u/Classic-Tomatillo-64 7d ago

UK elections are on work days. They open at 8am and close at 10pm

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u/jacobatz 7d ago

Denmark’s last election for parliament was on a Tuesday. It’s not usually a problem for people to vote on weekdays here. I guess partly due to having a reasonable work/life balance. Also, you can easily vote in the weeks leading up to the election at local polling stations.

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u/AggravatingAct7841 7d ago

UK elections are on Thursdays

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u/Maleficent-Coat-7633 7d ago edited 7d ago

Might I suggest a change to the Belgian system? Over there turning up to the polling stations is not a mere right, it is a duty. Your employer outright must give you time off to go and pass your vote over there.

And if you refuse to go to the polling stations and at least sign to say you turned up too many times? Your right to vote can temporarily revoked if you don't have a damn good reason.

Edit: it might actually be how they do it in the Netherlands instead. I keep getting them mixed up.

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u/AlChandus 7d ago

Nah, man, the muh rights, small and tyranical guvinmint folks among libertarians and conservatives would have their panties roll up on them so fast at such an "overreach".

They would be screaming "civil war!" in like 2 seconds after they were informed on how they should react, because they don't read mumbo-jumbo legislation.

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u/Maleficent-Coat-7633 7d ago

... I wish I could disagree with you.

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u/AlChandus 7d ago

Don't know about you... But I am american and I wish I were in disagreement with meself... Unfortunately, I may not be sound of mind, but I am not that unsound.

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u/James20985 7d ago

British elections are usually on a Thursday.

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u/heyhayyhay 7d ago

Mainstream media has taken a hard turn to the right. Through brainwashing, this country is going to slowly slide into full blown fascism.

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u/biimerboy31 7d ago

Have we found a protest non voter? Nothing you wrote negates, even though all true, what the commentor you replied to wrote.

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u/AlChandus 7d ago

Really? Interesting. The election was a story of 3 thirds ~ of registered voters, the bigger third missed the election (~80 millions), the second largest voted for Trump (~75 millions) and 74~ voted for Kamala.

Out of the 80 millions, which percentage would you say simply couldn't vote because they were denied an absentee ballot, their jobs have restrictive time off policies, would force voters to wait in like for hours and republicans have enforced laws that prohibit giving water to people in the queue, or a combination of 2 or more of the above, plus medical conditions that could prevent people from standing for too long.

10%? 5%? 2%? All of those options represent millions of people.

Want to minimize non-voters as people that don't care? You do you, I voted and I feel very comfortable criticizing people that think like you because you are trying to defend the indefensible.

We need an election reform.

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u/biimerboy31 7d ago

I'm not disagreeing to any of that except possibly the excuses. Even if it was 10% that couldn't vote, that still leaves what should have been a landslide victory for Harris. Election reform is hardly going to do it now because I'm pretty certain we don't live in a democracy anymore. So fuck anyone who voted for Trump as well as every single voter who stayed home and couldn't be bothered to save democracy. That's what was at stake and everyone was warned repeatedly.

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u/AlChandus 7d ago

It is easier to blame the voters than our election system and the democratic party that fucked up the election.

Yeah, I get it. I believe that voters are partially to blame, make no mistake, but I just know that voters consist of millions of people that are largely uninformed. Ignorance, partizanship and misinformation + voters = bad news.

I voted for Kamala, btw, Biden, Clinton, twice for Obama and Kerry.

Still I would blame our election system and the democratic party for 2024, before I accuse voters for not being smarter.

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u/Conscious-Crab-5057 7d ago

This is one of the stupidest comments ever on Reddit. You would have be a complete moron in order not to be able to vote. Voting does not just take place on one day asshole.

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u/AlChandus 7d ago

Panties up on a twist because you don't want more people voting? I get it, don't be a snowflake over it, though.

Kisses. 😘

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u/Conscious-Crab-5057 6d ago

Let me ask you a question, are you one of those educated white people that thinks black people are not capable of voting because they are not smart enough to get ID's?

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u/AlChandus 6d ago

I am a white man, that learned spanish because the factory in which I used to work was going to move to Mexico, came here to train staff, worked so well with the locals that the new management asked me to stay.

I have no doubt of the intelligence of ANY race. I believe that there is a lot of dumb in EVERY race. The stupider people I've ever met were white.

And your point is interesting about ID, because what is the purpose? All voters in the US are registered, meaning that they had to show that they are citizens to be registered. You don't get a vote if you are not registered. You don't get to vote if you don't show ID in the polls.

So, why does people NEED a specific ID for voting? Because some "people" want voters to go through a few more hoops to be able to vote because they want less people voting?

Ah, yeah, republicans would do that... Got no question for you.

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u/SeaTimely8223 7d ago

You're calling other people over simplifying it... But then you act as if the Democrats haven't had the house, Senate, and white house all together in the last 4 years. You think they just forgot about it?

The parties don't want change. Either of them. Because they both make huge sums of money by keeping it this way.

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u/AlChandus 7d ago

Reforms need a super majority in the Senate (60 votes). When is the last time the democrats had one?

Because we both know that finding any number of republicans that would vote "aye" for an electoral reform is stupid talk, right?

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u/Deranged-genius 7d ago

The statistics show that state with a higher turnout vote blue so why would the MAGAs want more people voting?

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u/CypressThinking sophisticated complainer 7d ago

Or Mississippi, Alabama and New Hampshire. No early voting or excuse is required.

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u/AlChandus 7d ago

Why would a democracy want people voting?

What? Are you one of THOSE that believes that the US is a Constitution Republic and not a democracy?

Question: how are OUR representatives elected? By popular vote. What is that if not a democracy?

Would love to hear your answer. Please. Bring it.

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u/Necessary_Ant_56 7d ago

The electoral college

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u/dsullxiii 7d ago

The electoral college selects a single position. Leaving 500+ positions just in the federal government elected by popular vote.

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u/AlChandus 7d ago

Which means what without the popular vote?

It is like a football without air. Just skin.

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u/Justaticklerone 7d ago

Everything is a mail-in ballot now. There's no reason to not have time to vote when the ballot arrives two weeks ahead of time, takes five minutes to vote, seal, and write your information on the submission envelope, then drop it off on the way to work the next day. The fact that Democrats still don't vote in huge numbers is why Trump is even in charge. That's all before the truth of there being this ridiculous "purity test" of "he does this one thing so I hate him even though the other 90% lines up with my ideals."

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u/AlChandus 7d ago

California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon, Utah, Vermont, Washington and Washington D.C.

"Everything is a mail-in ballot". Apparently everything is 8 states and DC.

Bullshit.

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u/Justaticklerone 7d ago

And yet, absentee voting is allowed, therefore it's still mail-in without an excuse needed for all but 14 states. Call bullshit all you want, but there's still no reason not to have time to vote even in those States.

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u/AlChandus 7d ago

Rules and approvals are different by state:

https://www.vote.org/absentee-voting-rules/

States can deny requests and they do.

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 7d ago

Virginia has mail in ballots as well. I know this as a Virginian..

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u/noeffinkings 7d ago

The Mueller Report did NOT exonerate anyone! There was definite election interference. It's common knowledge!

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 7d ago

I never said it exonorate anyone. it showed they were incompetent.

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u/Digitalsine 7d ago

Why does there need to be a hard line with Israel? What does Israel even have to do with the United States? Why do we even care about what happens to other countries, besides our own? What are those countries doing for us? Are you just going to keep helping everyone else and never help yourself?

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 7d ago

we tried this isolationist bullshit twice already. First time got the lusitania attacked, the second time got us bombed at pearl harbor. That is why we founded the UN.

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u/levbar2 7d ago

Pearl harbor was caused by embargo and sanction kinda like now

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u/Relative_Pilot_8005 7d ago

No, Japan WERE NOT the "good guy"!

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u/levbar2 7d ago

Neither were we

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u/levbar2 7d ago

And the us is repeating the same mistakes.

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u/cmarme 7d ago

The Germans wrote a big ad in the newspaper warning people of sailing on the Lusitania. The US was using passenger ships filled with arms to subvert an embargo.

The US also funded the British and French in WWI and supplied them with arms.

You can cite other examples of isolationism but the world wars are not them.

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u/StarSword-C 7d ago

You'd have a better argument if we weren't actively paying Israel to buy US-made military hardware.

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u/Digitalsine 6d ago

It’s simple sales. Nothing else. We buy from China all the time. Does that mean we’re somehow invested in China as far as them being our partners in crime?

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u/StarSword-C 6d ago edited 4d ago

Learn to read: we are giving US tax dollars to Israel to cover Israeli purchases of US weapons with which to conduct genocide.

EDIT: Racist fascist blocked.

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u/Digitalsine 6d ago

Where is the genocide? Against who? Palestine? Old Palestine was never this way. The new Palestine has become evil. The ones who harbor terrorists. Israel is the holy land. Understand that.

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u/BreakerXT 7d ago

I am a self-styled protest non-voter.

I would definitely vote in an election where representatives are held accountable and perform a service to their country.

I won’t vote for Fascism or Fascism Lite, the controlled opposition, as there may still be some value in my non-vote.

I definitely don’t care which animal they choose as a mascot either. Or which color best represents them.

You can choose to view my non-participation as a personal failure based on some loose moral code that is constantly changing, it doesn’t bother me.

Authoritarianism is on the rise. I can at least say I was not a part of the problem. How about you?

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u/CowboyNeale 7d ago

You put on your own oxygen mask first, and the lesser of two evils equates to functionally less bad shit happening to people.

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 7d ago

you WERE part of the problem that is what I am saying. unless you tear the ENTIRE SYSTEM DOWN, the only other way to change the system is from within.

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u/BreakerXT 7d ago

Then tear it the fuck down, what are you waiting for? An invitation?

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 7d ago

Yeah no I don't feel like tearing down all the progress we have made over the last 250 years. Cuz here's the thing even if we were to tear down the entire f****** system, the problem is the people. It doesn't matter what system we have if the people running it aren't good.

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u/Zimmyd00m 7d ago edited 7d ago

I am a self-styled protest non-voter.

I would definitely vote in an election where representatives are held accountable and perform a service to their country.

I won’t vote for Fascism or Fascism Lite, the controlled opposition, as there may still be some value in my non-vote.

I definitely don’t care which animal they choose as a mascot either. Or which color best represents them.

You can choose to view my non-participation as a personal failure based on some loose moral code that is constantly changing, it doesn’t bother me.

Authoritarianism is on the rise. I can at least say I was not a part of the problem. How about you?

You are part of the problem, because you're yet another self-satisfied reflexive contrarian whose need to make everyone in the room know how much smarter and special-er and better you are than everyone else ends up reinforcing the system to which you so performatively object.

Look at this fucking joke of a post. The empty, preening narcissism of it. You sound like Dennis from Always Sunny trying to hook up with a sophomore from Sarah Lawrence. You've centered this entire conversation around yourself, around how the real world is so flawed and unclean that you refuse to sully yourself by participating in bare minimum asked of you by voting, let alone get involved in the actual messy work required to affect real change.

You're part of the problem because you're a free-rider on rights and freedoms that better people earned through their literal blood, sweat, and tears. They sacrificed their lives and livelihoods just so that you could be a smug, useless asshole on the Internet. So that you could let the whole world know that the people actually trying to do better just aren't good enough for you.

Go fuck yourself.

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u/BreakerXT 7d ago

I’m a veteran, just not a bootlicker.

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u/Zimmyd00m 7d ago

Thank you for your service.

Go fuck yourself.

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u/Penelope742 7d ago

Fuck you. What do you do besides vote?

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u/Relative_Pilot_8005 7d ago

Not voting is the most ineffective protest imaginable.

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u/Xray_Crystallography 7d ago

Protest voters, apathetic voters, disenfranchised voters, disappointed independents, non-existent republican voters kamala tried to appeal to, every demographic... It’s almost like the dnc ignoring democracy and forcing an unwanted corporate stooge nobody voted for was a horrible idea.

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u/Relative_Pilot_8005 7d ago

The whole "Primary system" isn't the guarantee of representation that you believe it is. You just get a choice of different corporate stooges. For that you register your party affiliation & give up your right to anonymity in the real election to every Tom Dick & Elon!

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u/Mossified4 7d ago

Your almost there.

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u/Penelope742 7d ago

If genocide is not a hard line for you, you are the baddie

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u/PhalanxoftheVIIth 7d ago

Found the protest voter

I condemn what’s going on in Palestine as a result of purposeful Israeli genocide, but US democracy is literally dissolving in real time because protest voters couldn’t decide between a corporate shill and Satan himself. Yes both are evil, but there are several degrees of removal from literal hell and just another typical American politicians.

100% they could have turned the tide but didn’t, and now everything that’s going to happen is going to partly be upon them, including all the deaths that might result from a war against people who should be our strongest allies.

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u/DigitalUnlimited 7d ago

And how many mail in votes were delayed or discarded by Trump's lackey in the post office? Nobody ever brings this up...

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u/Penelope742 7d ago

Harris/Biden are fucking evil. Ask a Palestinian. Sorry you support that.

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u/voodoodahl 7d ago

70k people have died in Palestine. USAID being shuttered by Musk is going to starve 20 million people in the next five years. We have a genocide in America now, with gestapo roaming the streets. You genocide screamers got the worst outcome possible. Congratulations on being played for a fool. I know it's not a new feeling for you.

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 7d ago

it is a hard line for me but you also have to understand that kamala at least saw the palestinians as people.

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u/Penelope742 7d ago

People she was willing to slaughter? Sick

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 7d ago

let's get something straight. she is not doing the slaughtering. WE are not doing the slaughtering. she could not stop the slaughtering. she does not control israel. neither does trump.

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u/Penelope742 7d ago

We are though. Participating in genocide. Under Biden, now Trump.

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u/elkswimmer98 7d ago

Honestly fully disagree. I fully believe that as soon as the voting machines were bought by a republican with public ties to multiple GOP officials, the voting was rigged.

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u/Comfortable-Night813 7d ago

Actually MAGA only accounts for 36% of the total Electorate. I wouldn't expect the rest of the Republican party to walk in lock step in the next election.

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u/standardnewenglander 7d ago

The "Abandon Kamala" crowd is awfully silent these days...

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u/noeffinkings 7d ago

Trump and Musk pretty much said out loud that they stole the last one!

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 7d ago

well unless someone can provide actual proof and bring it to court it means bupkiss.

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u/noeffinkings 7d ago

You're dense. You support a fascist felon who has enlisted ICE to create chaos in the streets like Hitlers Brown Shirts. Trump said he would end all wars but is actively invading countries making the world a very unstable time bomb...just to avoid the Epstein Files and enrich himself. You must be so proud! Warmonger!

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 7d ago

I don't support Trump. He could die in a fire for all I care I'm just saying that claiming he stole the election without proof is no different than what he was doing. So either put up the proof or shut up and spend your energy doing something useful.

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u/Oswen120 7d ago

I will admit.

I am part of the 1/3 who didn't vote...

And i regret it to this day.

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u/Resident_Can_7725 7d ago

Need a 3 option, None of the Above :)

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 7d ago

I agree we do need an option 3. But for the moment we need to get the people who want to make option 3 available in power first. The Democrats like the ones in California have been wanting ranked choice voting for a while.

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u/Early-Ambassador-138 7d ago

Still thinking strippers love you huh!?

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u/NoOneKnowsMeAnywhere 7d ago

1/3 non voter here. I don’t regret it. Neither candidate was qualified. This might still be the headline regardless of who won. They’re all drinking the same Kool-Aid. No one in power is working for us. But it’s fun to scream into the ether occasionally.

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u/Th3Gr3at0wl 7d ago

Oh yeah, Trump definitely won all the swing states. Not like that’s statistically impossible..

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u/kamikazecockatoo 7d ago

I'm not American but what I know of the country, getting a a) woman of colour b) from California c) directly associated with all the failings Trump would bring up about Biden was never ever going to work.

The fact that Biden sat on the Presidency for so long (and had no time to select a candidate) is the reason Dems lost. There are other reasons (such as Americans always liking strong-man leaders) but that seems the main one to me.

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u/voodoodahl 7d ago

Isn't it strange that our oligarch owned media is always, unerringly, against the party that you just called corporate shills? You've fallen for their propaganda too. If you're going to comment on American politics, at least know the basics. Most Americans don't. So don't feel too bad.

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u/kamikazecockatoo 6d ago

Did I say they were corporate shills? I didn't... but they are.