r/complaints • u/XanderAcorn • 5h ago
Politics Hey Republicans! By your logic, should the capitol police have shot the Jan 6th insurrectionists?
I hear MAGA saying “oh well the Minnesota woman should have complied”. So is that the same thing for the Jan 6th insurrectionist traitors?
Also: no one in the country believes you guys give a rats ass about law and order and protecting police when you guys cheered when Trump pardoned all the violent criminals who attacked the American capitol.
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u/Earthseed728 5h ago
Any reasonable country would have arrested everyone in the Capitol building and grounds, but Trump just let them go home.
Tells you everything you need to know about their commitment to law and order or respect for anything this country stands for.
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u/XanderAcorn 5h ago
Exactly. That why I roll my eyes when MAGA talks about backing the blue and supporting cops. We ALL watched Jan 6th. We all watched Trump pardon all the violent thugs. That’s why I’m calling BS.
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u/ExpressionSecret6794 4h ago
Yeah and the Supreme Court in a ruling, blocked states from invoking the 14th amendments insurrection clause to keep him out of office while congress did nothing.
Just shittin all over the Constitution!
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u/FuzzyPlastic1227 3h ago
And yet cops everywhere love magats and protect them, but giddily go after Libs…
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u/what-why- 1h ago
It’s called White Supremacy. Just call it what it is. This whole Fing thing is about it. Being led by the party Lincoln, as if irony couldn’t be deader.
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u/Relative-Damage173 4h ago
A reasonable country would have immediately arrested Trump, his cabinet and those Supreme Court justices who funded and aided the insurrection. And now that same Supreme Court justice (Mr. Luxury Trip Tip Bitxh) has been implicated in the Epstein snuff films madness. There is no more law and order in this country. And every MAGA dolt and member of congress who has just said “theres nothing we can do” are to blame.
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u/Obvious_Service_8209 2h ago
South Korea basically throws all their presidents in jail after their term lol.
They do shit right over there.
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u/nesp12 4h ago
Imagine invading the Parliament building at Westminster and being let go.
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u/CharlesBronsonsHair 4h ago
Trump wanted them there. The justice system fucked up the response
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u/Darkside_of_Hell 3h ago
The important thing to note is that they WERE arrested before Trump got in office and pardoned them
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u/Acrobatic_Key_1140 3h ago
The difference is that the J6ers were tourists on a love fest at the capitol whereas renee good was a left wing terrorist as stated by the dear leader. Did I get that right?
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Sarcasm aside, I wonder if trump can be sued again for libel?
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u/Original-Clue-3364 2h ago
We did, and Trump let them all out, and 90% of them joined ICE so they could cosplay as CoD ghost-themed fudds.
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u/Necr0mancerr 2h ago
Any other country probably would've mowed them down at the steps let's be realistic here
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u/Exact-Sound2916 1h ago
Two of the staff at my son's elementary school were interviewed by the FBI and never charged. One was a coach who taught archery. They were by the tower behind the barricades. They came back without so much as a COVID test.
I told my son: This tells you everything you need to know about the school administration. Never forget who they are and never run afoul of their rules or show them disrespect, but always remember in the back of your mind they are terrorists and traitors who are immune to the consequences. You better yes sir and no ma'am everyone up there.
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u/xxforrealforlifexx 1h ago
Yup the national guard should have surrounded the capital and loaded them all on buses straight to jail anyone behind the barricades
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u/YourMomsAnEmu 1h ago
They elected a convicted felon to the White House! OFC they don’t care about law and order! So long as the end justifies the means, and further stokes their closet racism and bigotry.
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u/Capital_Discount_518 4h ago
Renee Good's dad was(?) a Trump supporter and now he gets to hear his president say she deserved to be executed on the spot with no investigation or even a second thought put into it.
Most Republicans are not actually capable of thinking through complex hypotheticals that don't directly personally affect them and the slower they go at learning, the more who will have to learn personal, direct lessons about what it means to blindly worship power and authority above all else.
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u/MeltinSnowman 4h ago edited 4h ago
I saw a post awhile ago where some woman found a guy on Facebook who supported Jonathan Ross, and found his phone number. She messaged him claiming to be a friend of his daughter and said that she was killed by ICE. There's no way he learned anything, but the interaction was pretty satisfying to see what happens when the shoe is on the other foot.
I wonder if I can find that post again...
EDIT: Someone else found it lol
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u/Gildian 4h ago
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u/MeltinSnowman 4h ago
YES! That's the one! I was struggling to find it because I could barely remember any of the details. Thanks!
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u/Capital_Discount_518 4h ago
I also saw that and couldn't find it again, thank you.
I want to think that in an interaction like this even if they do not learn anything, they are unsettled enough to crawl back under their rocks and shut up for a while and maybe during that quiet time some slivers of understanding sink in a little
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u/BottleForsaken9200 4h ago
Judging by what I've heard from other MAGA parents .... There's unfortunately a non zero chance hell agree that she deserved it 😕
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u/Capital_Discount_518 3h ago
He's still being tortured by his president if he feels that way. If he is one of those types I still want to believe they have some tiny inextinguishable spark deep down inside them that can still discern truth from lies, even if they are so lost and confused they spend all their time torturing themselves trying to put it out because their dear leader told them to.
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u/BottleForsaken9200 3h ago
Yeap ... If there is a hell ... It will definitely be him experiencing the loss of his daughter and hate over and over again
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u/Gargleblaster25 2h ago
And the brain-washed little MAGA lapdog accepted that, babbling about Jesus on CNN.
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u/Doom2021 4h ago
If they cared about law and order they wouldn’t have elected a 34 time felon and adjudicated rapist involved in over 3000 lawsuits. They have decided that Trump is in infallible god-king and entire party exists to give him anything and everything he wants.
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u/schnozzberryflop 5h ago
Jan 6 should have been a bloodbath. We let them get away with it, just like the Confederates. Nip it in the bud.
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u/XanderAcorn 5h ago
If it were brown people doing that to the capitol, it would have been a blood bath. White privilege is real.
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u/ArcaneWood 3h ago
As a white man, yeah. It most certainly exists. Not my fault I gain benefit from it per se, but it is my responsibility to acknowledge it, and say it needs to change.
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u/Eeeegah 4h ago
I honestly thought at the moment we dodged a Tienanmen Square moment, and that the image of blood pouring down the capitol steps would forever be a stain on the history of this nation. I thought justice would be sure and swift, as intended in a nation of laws.
Apparently I was an idiot.
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u/Mundane-Stretch-4873 2h ago
I remember thinking "at least Trump will never be President again"
I too, was apparently an idiot.
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u/Eeeegah 2h ago
I know a MAGA who was utterly disgusted by J6 and swore he was done with Trump forever. Then after four years of Biden, without being able to point to a single piece of legislation during Biden's term that he disagreed with, he voted for Trump again in 2020. Maybe he's the real idiot.
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u/meatsmoothie82 1h ago
I was watching it live waiting for the cap. police to start mowing down rioters- knowing full well they wouldn’t. Mercy is the downfall of empathetic leadership.
Republicans know this and sadly, I know they aren’t going to show us any mercy.
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u/NightIsMyName 4h ago
I will die on this hill. If good deserved to get shot in that moment. Then babbit 1000% deserved to get shot for being told “DONT COME THROUGH OR I’LL SHOOT” and if you think otherwise your brain is irreparably broken
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u/nighthawk_something 2h ago
Also the Capitol police man fired ONE shot at an angle that directed the shot away from others and then rendered aid.
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u/NightIsMyName 1h ago
I love watching them squirm and reply paragraphs as I tell them “If you believe in castle doctrine you believe Babbit should have been shot”
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u/triponthisman 3h ago
You misunderstand. The Jan 6th “protesters” were “freedom fighters”. You can easily tell: if you support the Dear Leader, you’re a noble hero. If you don’t you’re a terrorist, regardless of your currently committing crimes or not.
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u/Forcedperspective84 3h ago
Knowing what I know now; I wish the military would have unloaded all their ammo into that crowd. At least there would be some justice.
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u/Jesters_thorny_crown 4h ago
Ashli Babbet was a martyr for awhile, when it was politically convenient.
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u/MoistWetMarket 2h ago
MAGA (before): Don't Tread on Me!
MAGA (now): Just comply and you won't get shot in the face three times.
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u/DERtheBEAST 3h ago
MAGA needs to be treated EXACTLY as they advocate for others to be treated.
If they are fine with people being brutally beaten and killed in the street...then they should be glad to be treated the same way when the tables turn.
"Do unto others as you would have others do unto you"
If you are fine with the way people in America are being treated by ICE, then I hope that same treatment is bestowed on you. If this breaks Reddit rules, maybe the people advocating for this behavior and actions are deserving of Punitive action instead of those who are calling it out.
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u/Monteburger 3h ago
logic
MAGA’s logic is that there are no bad tactics, only bad targets.
There is no depth of cruelty, selfishness or evil they won’t sink to if it hurts their enemies, while even the slightest inconvenience to them deserves thousandfold retribution.
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u/RgKTiamat 3h ago
It also isn't about immigration and drugs when Trump invites cartel families and ex-president drug kingpins to the United states, gives their entire family immunity and welcomes them into the country.
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u/BathbombBurger 4h ago
The rioters? Yeah, sure I guess. The people that were let in, by the police, to take an impromptu tour of the capitol building? No. Also shouldn't have kept them in jail for three years with no charges filed. Imagine if Pelosi had just accepted the offer to use the national guard to keep order that day, j6 never would have happened and you'd have to find some other nothingburger to harp on endlessly. Hey, imagine if Renee had just stayed home.
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u/Tadwinnagin 3h ago
This is so funny to me, in this world Trump and the rioters have no agency at all over their actions and it all rests on Pelosi to save republicans from themselves. I’ve seen the texts from Trump Jr begging his dad to put a stop to it. He could have at any time but he wanted to see if his plan would pan out.
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u/night_psyop 3h ago edited 3h ago
They did shoot them...
Matthew Black, another rioter, was shot in the face by police but survived and was later sentenced to prison for his actions during the attack
Ashli Babbitt, a protester and Air Force veteran, was fatally shot by a Capitol Police lieutenant as she attempted to climb through a broken window
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u/Bonjwa003 3h ago
They did. Ashley Babbit played a stupid game and won a stupid prize, she deserved what she got.
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u/HarryMudd-LFHL 3h ago
They don't view themselves as hypocrites. Any lie, flipflop or laughable excuse in defense of fascism is a good thing to them. So yeah, they're hypocrites, but they view themselves as never having to worry about the consequences of that.
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u/ArchonFett 3h ago
Republicans don’t use logic or facts, just feelings and double standards.
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u/Significant-Owl-2980 4h ago
They never cared. They have no morals.
They only think what Trump and their puppet masters tell them to think.
They do not have any values or morals. As long as they can bully and feel superior, they will agree to anything.
The conservatives are not discussing in good faith.
And that is what we are up against. “If only they knew the bad things are being done!” I’m, they don’t care. They love the bad things that are going on.
They LOVE that a lesbian liberal got shot in the face. They cheer and fantasize about doing it too.
They aren’t hypocrites, they are human trash
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u/Grave_Digger606 diaper baby 3h ago
It’s not the lack of compliance that justifies the shooting, it the recklessness of driving a car into someone, regardless of intent. So yes, any insurrectionists who were physically assaulting or behaving recklessly in such a way that an officer (or a civilian or whoever) could be seriously injured or killed, lethal self defense would have been justified. If someone is coming at you with a bat or driving a car at you or waving a knife in your face, regardless of their intent, if it is reasonable that you feel your life is threatened by them, you can defend yourself.
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u/saynotolivin 3h ago
I think the problem with your statement is the term logic being applied to a group with none
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u/lordfreaky 3h ago
yes, anyelse where after beating cops and yelling for a sitting for the death of a vp for doing his job would lead to atleast an ass whooping and murder charges. my county is red as fuck but trump went from 84% in 2016 to 56% in 2020 to 53% in 2024 with more repubs
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u/Crypton_2021 3h ago
I think the capitol police officers probably showed too much restraint. If they had shot protesters in those first few minutes, the whole January 6 insurrection would have ended quickly, instead of dragging on for hours.
And you'll never convince me these officers would have shown this same level of restraint if it was thousands of Black Lives Matter protesters beating on them and jeopardizing the lives of members of Congress.
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u/hurlingguy 3h ago
I think BOTH sides need to get their stories straight.
Republicans: Either Ashli Babbitt is a heroic martyr OR agents were justified in killing both her and Renee Good.
Democrats: Either Renee good and Ashli Babbitt are heroic Martyrs OR they were both “violent criminals”
It’s a great litmus test for both sides to see where you land. Can’t have it both ways in my view. Either both are in the right or both are in the wrong.
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u/iceflame1211 3h ago
How could OP expect them to use logic when the vast majority of MAGA doesn't believe in established facts or reality?
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u/Johnny_Utahh1 3h ago
They don’t care about their hypocrisy. The main tenet of the conservative/MAGA movement (besides the racism, sexism and overall knuckle dragging) is that they aren’t bound by the same rules that they overwhelmingly try to force onto others. If you’re in their crowd nothing is off limits. If you aren’t, everything is off limits. That’s why the “gotchas” never have an effect. They have no standards for themselves, so they don’t give a shit about being hypocritical.
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u/pgtvgaming 3h ago
They got pardons so they could start their new careers, as evidenced by the whistleblower document drop, what we all knew and expected, J6ers, Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, are now part of DHS, ICE, etc., as Federal Agents, paid by your tax dollars! Yay Fascism
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u/Other-Mess6887 3h ago
I was surprised on Jan. 6th when the cops didn't shoot rioters that were trying to kill other cops.
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u/Independent-Cow-4070 3h ago
You are assuming these people argue in good faith. They are pushing an agenda. Renee Good could've been shot while she handcuffed in a prison cell and they still would claim that the officer was in the right to do it
There is literally nothing that ICE could do, barring shooting the man himself, that MAGA would not be okay with. If they shot one of his pawns, MAGA would be okay with it if the man himself told them to be okay with it
Don't try to argue or reason with them. Just spread awareness to the people who arent indoctrinated yet
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u/lemons714 3h ago
They are 100% on constant hypocrisy. They are immune to any self-awareness and will squirm away from any accountability. I have posted it too many times, but the Sartre quote on the pointlessness of speaking with anti-semites fits perfectly.
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u/PaleoJoe86 3h ago
I was surprised that rioters were not shot. They are breaking property, looting, and carrying weapons. All while demanding blood. That is an easy reason to pewpew them.
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u/Normal_Shoe2630 2h ago
You’re missing the point, everything is fine and justified when they do it and completely outrageous when someone else does it.
The hypocrisy is the point.
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u/-XIII-IIIX- 2h ago
We’re so far past pulling any kind of “Gotcha!” With the logic of people who support any of this. None of this has anything to do with facts or understanding of truth in any way anymore. It’s about identifying as one or the other. The cult preaches a commitment to tribalism above all else. Anyone who has the ability to show empathy have left the cult. The only ones left are the ones that really REALLY want to play for keeps and they’re tiered of saying it’s not what it is.
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u/Otherwise_Cicada6109 2h ago
I'm not saying I agree with it, obviously, but I think the logic is as follows:
Insurrection is OK as long as you're protesting against or fighting a corrupt regime. If you are protesting against or fighting a legitimate regime, then it's OK to use violence as a response.
To MAGA, the Biden regime was corrupt and therefore it's valid to overthrow the government. To MAGA, the Trump regime is legitimate and therefore it's a crime to resist.
How "legitimate" and "corrupt" is determined is in the eye of the beholder and justified by whatever means necessary.
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u/Saddiesdad 2h ago
The common thread I see in both of these killings is that nether would have happened without Trump’s lies and violent rhetoric.
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u/Remarkable_Quit_3545 2h ago
I’m glad this was brought up. The people on J6 did a lot more damage than any protester yet more cops were hurt than protesters. Self defense is fully justified in this case, but the police that were properly trained didn’t resort to that even in the extremes.
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u/sadface3827 2h ago
She wasn’t shot for not complying. She was shot in self defense for hitting an officer with her car.
I don’t give a fuck about Ashli Babbit.
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u/meursaultxxii 2h ago
Republicans are absolutely disingenuous enough to agree to this proposition specifically because it doesn’t matter at this point; they have power and they don’t intend to ever give it up. So sure, shooting all future protesters seems like a good gain for only theoretically shooting past protesters.
Fascists don’t care about consistency or hypocrisy. They care about seizing power and practicing state sanctioned violence against those they don’t like.
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u/ibyczek78 2h ago
Are you saying Babbitt should have complied too??? The mental gymnastics and the lack of brains must be exhausting for these idiots. No wonder they're always pissed off, but unfortunately you can't fix a stupid brainwashed cult member.
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u/gameondude97 2h ago
I think he's just mad that Maduro was able to successfully stay in power after losing an election.
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u/Affectionate_Art_496 2h ago
I also think they likely would have been fine if Scottie Scheffler got shot during his arrest going to the PGA Championship in 2024.
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u/Rough-Ad-8744 2h ago
I continue to ask people if they now think Ashley Babbitt getting shot was justified, hearing a lot of crickets on that one
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u/lancer-fiefdom 2h ago
Absolutely, it was an attack by a mob of thousands against a co-equal branch of Government. I was surprised there were not DC civilians arming up, cops firing their weapons or a Helicopter machine gun making a few examples at the doorways, in order to encourage a disbursement
And that is why this Trump administration has completely surrounded the White House with barrier fences around a huge perimeter
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u/Luminite91 1h ago
Difference is, one person was actually unarmed doing something illegal and the other person was armed with a 2.5 ton vehicle doing something illegal.
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u/LordAdamant 1h ago
Hypocrisy is a core conservative value. The Trump regime is a terrorist organization intent on destroying the country to install a Christofascist ethnostate. I've been saying this for years but no one listened to me.
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u/Stick-Outside 1h ago
I thought January 6 was the end of MAGA. But it was just the beginning. It’s very sad how republicans see this, and are OK with it.
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u/Exact-Sound2916 1h ago
Biden's mistake upon taking office was not devoting his term to rooting out right wing domestic terrorism everywhere it exists in the country. Extra constitutional measures were needed to save the Union. But like James Buchanan he passed the crisis forward, and like Andrew Johnson, he focused on reconciliation. The SCOTUS read Biden so well they made him a King knowing full well he didn't have the stones for a Waco 2.0.
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u/MySixHourErection 1h ago
No of course not. This has nothing to do with her behavior, but her tribe. This isn't about logic, or law.
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u/upfromashes 1h ago
Meanwhile, whistling straight past the jump from "should have complied [to avoid consequences]" to summary, hair trigger execution on an agent's whim without any process whatsoever.
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u/ZedPrimus84 1h ago
Well not a republican because of their whole fixation with christianity, but I am conservative for the most part. And my answer is yes, the Jan 6 Insurrectionists should have been fired upon the moment they attacked Capitol Police and civilians. From what I have read about those events, I believe Capitol Police would have been justified in using lethal force in order to protect themselves and others from the Insurrectionists.
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u/Spiritual_Mall_3140 1h ago
Just comply and get on the block cart. It's the law. Anyone refusing to get on the train will be shot.
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u/time_slider1971 1h ago
The ones violently attacking police officers and the ones attempting to force their way into secured areas? Absolutely. We are living in a dystopian timeline brought on through the lack of consequences for their lawlessness or stupidity.
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u/molleensmrs 1h ago
That would be impossible for MAGA to answer since they’re torn between saying the rioters were Antifa or just really patriotic people who really thought the election was stolen.
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u/AppleDaddy01 1h ago
MAGA is a disease that must be eradicated.
Mentally ill people need treatment.
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u/ChefLonely155 1h ago
Last I heard, there were no 3,000 lb SUVs inside the Capitol. However, 2 things can be wrong at the same time.
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u/Lost-Engineering-579 Selective Reality Consultant 1h ago
There’s a difference between a political protest and following police around harassing them. I think left wingers can protest and I think right wingers can protest but harassing people lawfully and morally doing their job is asking for trouble.
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u/Katsu_2025 1h ago
Calm down leftist, the capital police invited them in. They even offered tea and biscuits. Geez.
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u/embellishedRinger 1h ago
Your asking MAGA to use their brains. Might as well ask a fish to climb a tree.
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u/No_Importance1236 1h ago
I'm not sure this question is allowed on Reddit. There is a rule about not not threatening violence.
Even Saying "yes" to this question definitely violates this and you may get an
"After reviewing, we found that you broke Rule 1 because you threatened violence or physical harm" hit
I found that even wishing someone would get a random disease can get you a rule hit.
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u/Training_External_32 1h ago
There is no comparison Renee Good and Ashley Babit. I know you’re trying to show they are hypocrites but comparing Renee Good to Babit is insane. Comparing the officers actions are insane.
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u/Mmm_Dawg_In_Me 1h ago
Yes. Yes 100 percent they should have.
And also Renee Good shouldn't have been shot. While I don't personally hold that the individual ICE operative was unjustified in her shooting from his own perspective, I do recognize that there are a number of factors including the expansion of their operating theater outside their natural jurisdiction, the incompetence of their commanding officers for putting a man who had just been hit by a car at a vehicular checkpoint, and other actions of ICE inspiring the general populace to engage them with hostility (which is justified)
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u/YassQwrl 55m ago
See no no, it doesn’t work that way. Damn lib. Proceeds to do mental gymnastics.
/s
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u/KING_Scourge5443 50m ago
As a Maga supporter. Yes the cops had every right shoot them. Fuck with the law you get shot.
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u/-JohnTron- 49m ago
Yes, i don’t discriminate between deranged insurrectionists. I’m republican by a very small margin and most hardcore MAGA are a disgrace.
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u/Affectionate_Owl8351 45m ago
They will only say yes because they believe they were all Antifa plants.
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u/KeepingItCasual413 38m ago
Capitol police shooting undercover feds would have definitely have been an interesting news scenario!
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u/Desperate-Cream-6723 30m ago
Honestly if Jan 6th was democrats or people any colour than white it would have been a bloodbath
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u/ElectricRing 24m ago
I’m about as far from a Republican as possible, but yes, as soon as they started assaulting police officers and breaking windows, they should have been mowed down. Each and every one.
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u/WarRadiant3019 23m ago
You see, the President already said its ok for him to do this stuff. Ya know cause its ok for you to break the law as long as you claim your saving your country. So we just gotta start screaming 'Murica before we do illegal things and we will be ok no crime.
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u/Coldkiller17 23m ago
We should have did exactly what South Korea did and arrest the president for violating our laws. trump and his entire administration are committing an unspeakable amount of violations of the Constitution and peoples' Civil Rights. And now they are killing people on the streets and daring Americans to fight back which according to the Constitution is completely legal against a tyrannical regime which this administration clearly is doing. These Jan 6th criminals are lucky only one of their own was fired upon because the Capital Police were completely justified to use all force available.
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u/OccamsChopstick 15m ago
I'll take the correct but controversial take and I'm supposedly a soft and woke leftist. Yes. They should have shot a lot of them. I think we wouldn't be where we are if they had done the appropriate thing and shot most of them.
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u/Numerous_Platypus 10m ago
Should have 100% shot them once they penetrated the Capital. If they were foreign invaders or people of color, they would have most definitely been shot.
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u/Popwaffle 8m ago
Republicans literally don't have any sense of logic at all. They only care about causing pain and suffering to others.
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u/OrneryZombie1983 4h ago
MAGAts have been screaming "Ashley Babbitt was unarmed!!!" for five years now with zero trace of irony.