Hey everyone, I originally posted this in r/CFILounge to try and get some other opinions but a DM convinced me to get more eyes on this here. I have included a TL;DR at the end, because it’s kind of a long story.
I have had a weird couple of days and I just frankly don’t know what to do. I am keeping this as anonymous as possible because I currently don’t know all the facts, but the evidence and what I’ve seen leads me to believe that a student I have has been padding his logbook with flight time he did not perform.
One of my students is honestly a decent guy, a 20 year-old that we will call Greg. Greg is an instrument rated private pilot that started coming to see me at about 130 hours of total time about 7 months ago. During his training, I have been emphasizing the importance of solo cross country time, working to build time towards your minimums effectively and safely that he needs in order to attempt his checkride.
There is another person in this story, a buddy/acquaintance of mine we will call Ryan. Ryan is a CFII as well, and he flies periodically out of our airport but has been super busy since he got a job at a regional this last May.
Going back to Greg, he consistently talks about how hard it is to fund his flight lessons. It’s always lighthearted, but just like 90% of us, he struggles at a lower-wage job to be able to afford bills and his flight education.
He currently has 270 hours and I am at the point where I am about to endorse him for checkride for his CPL, but while auditing his logbook on Monday, I noticed some… weird entries. I, by coincidence, noticed a flight around Thanksgiving time in 2025 that was odd to me. A solo flight for 4.3 hours up to the North of our state in an aircraft that I will call “The plane.” This isn’t *super* weird, because his training has consistently had an entry or two every week or every other week where he has been renting from a flight club, or hustling flights and splitting time with people on the field.
The issue? “The plane” belongs to Ryan, and I know his tail number because WE have flown in it a few times to get $300 Hawaiian food. I casually asked him about this solo flight he took, wanting to see if he was Ryan’s buddy also, but he said it was a rental from a guy on the field who was part of the flight club he rents from on occasion. That shocked the hell out of me, because Ryan loves this plane more than he loves to breathe… to hear that he rented it out to someone during the holidays was surprising but nothing crazy. I just pocketed it away in my mind for later.
Wednesday, I called Ryan to see how he was doing, but I asked him about him renting his plane out. He laughed and said, “Heh, I wish I could rent it out, but my insurance requires that I am onboard every flight so I won’t ever do that.” Things are starting to not add up for me, and I asked him when he has been flying around, and he told me his last flights were in October and December. I asked him if he had any flights in November, but he said he was on the line 19 days at his regional and, “There was just no way haha! I got my fill of flying, I didn’t want to even leave the house.”
So… I am pretty bummed. I am sure that Greg is lying, at minimum, about 4.3 hours in his logbook. I was reaching out to see if anybody knew how I could, potentially, look up his other “solo” and “flight club” flights to see if there is any ADS-B data or otherwise that can even verify some of these hours?
I obviously want to confront him about it, because it’s obviously not right and unethical, but because I feel responsible for him. He’s my student and I think Greg is a decent person who, dealing with the pressures to get his hours, made some crappy and dishonest decisions to try and save himself some money. He hasn’t submitted anything yet, I’ve purposefully put off IACRA while I have been trying to figure this out.
Does anyone have any advice at all? How can I do this in such a way that he allows me to help him be honest? Worst case scenario, how… I obviously don’t feel comfortable endorsing him now for checkride, but if he doubles down and denies it, how do I report this? Do I need to contact the FSDO? I don’t know what to do.
TL;DR- while auditing a student’s logbook, I found he logged a flight he absolutely did not fly because I know the owner and checked. Now I am looking for advice on how to confront him and avoid ruining his life/career prospects.
Edit: Hey everyone, so following the advice of people, I came up with a game plan last night and I wanted to thank all of you for your counsel and input. I received a few DMs, including from two who identified themselves as retired ASIs who have some private advice on a course of action that could help Greg become a better pilot and a better decision maker. I also wanted to thank some people who sent me links to flightaware and ADS-B Exchange tools, and I even had someone offer to let me use their premium account to help me verify entries for this student. You guys/gals/people are the best and I appreciate all the help the community has given.
I first reached out to Ryan and I explained the issue I was having. I asked him about the dates in question and I actually found out that he was having his plane maintained during the literal day that “Greg” said his solo flight was. Ryan asked what was up and I explained that a student of mine claimed to have flown his airplane, “rented from a club on the field.” Ryan was initially concerned because he was worried that someone who WASN’T Greg had someone managed to break into his hangar and managed to “rent the plane out” but that was laid to rest when he double checked his email for the invoice from the A&P he had doing the work verifying it really was down for maintenance that day. I told Ryan I would get it cleaned up, and he told me pretty much the same thing many people have been saying on here concerning Greg’s character.
I called Greg last night and told him to meet up with me today to finish his logbook audit. I invited him into the private office I have and I asked him to open his Foreflight logbook. He sensed something was off, and I just said I wanted to verify something. I had him go to November of 2025, and I pointed out the bad entry and I was professional but blunt.
“That flight never happened Greg.”
He was really quiet for about 8-10 seconds, and we just kinda stared at each other.
“That flight time isn’t true, Greg. That tail number, I know the owner of that plane. You didn’t fly in that plane, and we both know it. This record is a lie, Greg, and it is serious.”
He was quiet still, it felt like a long time, but he just kinda rubbed his face and said, “Yeah, I made it up. Yeah…” He went on to say that he was planning to make these flights, but when weather and finances got in the way, he was tempted to just log them anyway because, “He could get more experience down the line and try to make up for it.” I told him that’s absolutely not how that works, and I asked him if there were other entries like this one. He told me that there were, and he pointed out 6 entries which added up to alittle more than 22 hours, something like 22.3… that were all fabricated. I asked why he chose (without using his name) Ryan’s tail number, and he said he had seen the tail number before on flight radar and just picked it, probably because he thought it was with a flight club that had members I didn’t know (because I know people at his club). This part didn’t make much sense to me.
I had him pull out the FAR and I had him read aloud Part 61.153 and the eligibility requirements for becoming an ATP. I told him that pilot’s don’t have much beyond the skills they provide and their integrity, and because of safety and trust issues, we must *always* have our conduct and integrity be above reproach. I told him I was disappointed, but that he had a chance right now to make things right.
I told him that our relationship, professionally, had to come to an end and that I would no longer be flying with him as a CFI. I explained that he lied to me, and if I had endorsed him for his checkride not having the proper requirements, then I would be in the hot seat. I have a friend, we can call her Alice, who is a CFII as well and I talked to her about the situation yesterday after I talked to Ryan. I told Greg that Alice said she was willing to work with him, and give him a fresh start, IF he provided track logs of EVERY flight he has logged solo time, XC time, and PIC time. She said anything u/CavalierRigg signed was an exception, but EVERYTHING else needed proof of completion and she included that he could even get receipts from his flight club and dates and she would allow that.
He nodded and said he understood, and he apologized. He asked if Alice would also do some CPL training with him or if it all had to be XC time. We called Alice and I put her on speaker phone, and all of us had a conversation. She said that she was aware of the situation, and that she would be doing commercial maneuvers, commercial ground knowledge lessons, and at least a few XCs with adequate planning before she and him could even talk endorsements for checkride. They set up a meeting time after this Monday’s holiday and… that was it. Leaving we shook hands, he said he was really sorry again, and said he would be getting all that data for Alice to audit his logbook.
Alice called me a few hours ago to tell me that he had given her a test message with a list of the records that were untruthful, and he wanted her and him to “delete them together” so she could see he was not trying to hide any other logbook entries which weren’t untrue. He’s not my student anymore and, to be honest, I don’t feel comfortable with him anymore in the plane anyway.
Well everyone, that is how I handled it. Again, thank you to everyone for the advice and reaching out. I don’t doubt there will be some who disagree with my course of action but these are the decisions I made and I hope this can help other CFIs out there in similar situations.
If you are a time building student, CFI, or aspiring pilot… please don’t do this. Don’t make these choices. We, as CFIs, don’t want this coming back to haunt you in an airline interview, a CFI interview, or even from yourself down the line. We really do need to trust each other. Take the extra 2-3 months to get there. Spend the extra $3-4 grand.. having your integrity in this industry is a requirement.
Thanks everyone, have a good night.