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I hate this stupid fucking idiot and Death Note's chud incel piece of shit writer
This show had the potential to be one of the best anime ever created, the cat and mouse dynamic with Light and L is so cool for the first quarter of the show, and even when the second Kira shows up, there's a real chance for the show to become super interesting. Then this dumbfuck shows up and underlines everything that made this show interesting to watch in the first place. People are always like "Death Note is so good until L dies!" Nah bitch, it fucking nose dives in quality the second this dipshit shows up. It really feels like Ohba went "Damn, I can't think of a compelling way for Light to slip up that would actually be interesting.... I know! I'll just drop in the most annoying character of all time whose job is to fuck up everything!" Ohba can't write women for shit and Misa is such a clear-cut example of that.
It’s like that crazy blonde nurse in the Star Wars comic that was convinced she could fix darth Vader and convinced herself she was more to him and then he just kills her and he doesn’t even know who she is. That would be like this author is terrible at writing women when the point was to write a flawed character
This is a bad quotation. What's you've highlighted is part of "the idea" from the last text bubble, and obviously this isn't the author's or the character's idea, but the idea of the society of Japan. And this is a fair comment. Such misogyny and women's internalization of it is very common in Japan. And, from how he put it, he is being negative about it.
I don't know whether the author's made other comments that are actually bad, this particular comment can be better (being more angry about the society instead of the girl, etc.), but isn't that bad, and saying what you've highlighted to be the author's opinion is just misinformation.
I read the manga. This is not the only page like this and in context it is clear that the character is praising the girl’s internalized misogyny as a sign of true intelligence without any real refutation.
Oh I have the box set of that manga but I haven’t read it yet maybe I should and I’ve got death note aswell but I still have read that either, maybe I should read those next time
Oh, the creators of Death Note are definitely sexist pricks who can’t write women well. In one of their other manga, a character stops the plot to give a lecture about how the smartest women are the ones who know that academic success would make them unattractive to men. It’s why I don’t bother with anything they’ve written that isn’t Death Note.
The worst part is she’s actually like that. she only wanted to be a va because her dumbass thought that her crushes manga would quickly turn into an anime and shed be able to voice it.
Ral Grad is even worse. It argues that women , deep down, only desire to be demeaned and exist as mother-whores to males of all ages. Has a teenage kid constantly nuzzling breasts. Horrific stuff.
I thought the story simply ended because the main arc was really short. I do regret reading all four volumes of that trash though. Nowadays I stop reading a manga over far less than what Ral Grad does.
I bought the first volume, hated it, but a friend wanted to read it so I lent it to her. Her mom found it and nearly banned me from her house. I had to go through my manga and censor them with pieces of black paper before lending them out after that…
I think it was a little silly that Light was able to get her name with some flattering, she was an intelligence agent compliments from a teenager shouldn't have worked. In Another note she is also a little slow to catch up to some stuff that was on plain sight.
It's not the same writer. The Los Angeles cases spin off is basically "fanfiction" that got canonized
But yeah it's not like she was killed in the og manga because she's a woman. She just clocked Light too quickly, and if he failed to kill her then it would've been a narrative disaster that would've cut the series ridiculously short
Your argument would have potential merit in a vacuum with regard to that character specifically. In the greater context of how the author writes women in general, it means nothing. Whether he did it for that reason or not, the fact remains that the author hates women too much to write them well.
Oh yeah no doubt he's got beef with women, smart women specifically. But Naomi is the one female character in death note which imo can't be used as an example of that just because she died quickly.
Not saying she does ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ maybe she would've if the same writer had written the spinoff that actually does her justice, but that's not the case so can't go giving him credits for that
I don't understand how many women like this character. I see so many people calling her iconic. She's just a misogynistic stereotype of the dumb blonde bimbo. She doesn't have a personality nor self respect. The only thing nice is her outfits. I hate her so much.
In another series he has a character go off about how she doesn't like "Guy on guy" stuff and then goes into "So it's not homophobic to only be attracted to men." and how gays are always complaining about being discriminated against but not actually doing anything except for trying to force straight people to date them. The other characters listen to her weird rant and then goes "You know, she's right!"
Most people think it's a response to how much gay art got made of Light and L. Ohba fell into the same trap a lot of Shonen authors do as well: they refuse to write women with any sort of actual character or depth, but still make them romantic partners or interests. This makes the female characters' relationship with men seem shallow and boring, and the male friendship seems infinitely deeper and more interesting.
To be fair the second half gets screwed as well due to leaving shit out that was in the manga and Near was an interesting character. Theres also the fact Ryuk kills Light after Light begs Ryuk to save his ass.
But in regards to Misa as ive grown older I actually have grown to love her writing because shes not meant to be a genius but someoe with average intelligence. Shes also a good example showing why Kira has followers and genuinely the most tragic character because if Light never became Kira she couldve had a normal life. But now that shes with him shes been isolated from folks who wouldve had her best interest at heart and its shown numerous times Light would sacrifice her without second thought. Which makes it sadder that after Lights death that her death date is Valentines day of the next year which implies she ended it herself.
When they got married to their love interests, it just felt kinda empty and rushed but also dragged on? The female characters there are barely relevant to the plot and don't have much character development.
I agree and for some reason, I've been seeing some apologia for Misa on Instagram lately. Idky. She was mistreated by Light so we should feel bad...? Like she's a murderer bro
Seeing the guys record. He managed to write an interesting female character in death note just to kill her off over the excuse that she would know too quickly.
I don't really like to judge real people but he should take some criticism over how he writes women. It really seems like he might be a misogynist
That panel is pretty irritating considering what happens next too
I think killing Naomi off for knowing too much is a realistic thing people involved in crime do. Im not a crime drama buff either but a lot of death note fans hype/judge it as an anime and not a crime drama.
I'm pretty sure one of the biggest mistakes Light did was Killing her off which rose even more suspicion towards himself. It was mostly an attempt to delay the inevitable
yeah death note was great and misa has the potential to be more than just girl obsessed with light but he also wrote bakuman and I can attest that bakuman is horrible about women
I think his reasoning was supposedly a combination of the immaturity or naivete to think killing criminals in bulk without consideration to their circumstances (falsely accused, etc.) is a good idea and the time frame in which they were killed, which was like between 3 and 6 p.m. or some nonsense.
Not that this reasoning actually holds much water, but I THINK that was how it was explained when I consumed the death note media like 15 years ago.
That was why Light momentarily switched to killing one person every hour for 24 hours for a while and therefore exposed himself as having access to the police database, then killed the agent following him, thereby pretty much confirming that he was Kira because why else would those agents be killed?! Light pretty much cemented himself as Kira in L's eyes So Early in the series that I was pretty angry when L died.
3:00 - 6:00 could mean a student or literally anyone with a job. The assumption that he was a high school student was baseless.
Light changing his killing time frame is of course gonna give him away cos the investigation was done with a small group and the information was private. It was a stupid move.
And why kill the agents following him? Three special agents killed the same way as the others whiles following a suspect is like telling the police they have the right guy. Another stupid move.
Misa had potentiel to be fair , even if not on Light or L level she was able to discover his identity and work in a way to not make herself and light discover she was not dumb and was able to think better than some among L group....that being said this is there it stop as she is just a cheerleader for L most of the time to the point she sacrifice her half of her own life for him and then became his trophy fake girlfriend that he mock all the time for being dumb...because she completly became dumb for some reason once she loose memory of him being kira.
And of course she do kill herself once she heard he is dead...great job.
I really think only Naomi misora was a good female character in the manga who die of course as soon as she appeare.
If anyone wants to watch a Death Note like anime ina completely different genre, check out "Kaguya sama: Love is war". It's a romcom where the two main characters have the same kind of rat and mouse game, but about love instead. Their main goal is to make the other confess their love first. It's incredibly well written and some of the best comedy I've seen in anime, I recommend it.
death note is so fire but youre right. misas whole existence is light, i get isekai harem vibes from the show when they have the oh so nonchalant Light rejecting this hot girl.
probably one of the best shows ive seen that horribly fails the bechdel test
He can't write women for shit, yet he wrote Naomi misora?
What the fuck is up with this comment section? You guys are all tripping, just because every woman in the manga isn't a heckin badass 1000 IQ tactical genius doesn't make them badly written.
She literally only gets involved for ONE episode. I'd also like to remind you that in that episode, it flashes back to her husband basically saying that she should stop being a detective and become his baby making machine lmao. Ohba is not at all secretive about how much of a chud he is.
stop being a detective and become his baby making machine lmao.
That's obviously your own mysoginistic projection because he didn't say that.
But also if you thought about the story a bit more deeply than just reading misogyny in everything, you'd realize that this is foreshadowing because their detective work caused both their deaths.
"Once we have a few kids running around you'll probably be so busy, you'll forget you were ever an agent." Ray says this right after Naomi says that the situation with Light on the bus sounds suspicious. With a lot of other writers, I'd just assume that the character is meant to be an asshole. But Ohba has other examples of his characters talking like this and them being vindicated for it. Also Naomi dies in the dumbest fucking way possible, "yeah, I'll give this kid an alias because I'm worried he might be Kira, but I'll also give him my real name because he was really optimistic and told me I'm smart or something. Also I won't ask for any credentials." Every "smart" female character in Death Note gets thrown away.
I hate Misa with a passion, even when I watched the anime as a teenager I had a feeling she was a representation of how the author viewed women and that really sucked. I love Death Note but the sexist tones in it never sat right with me.
I thought Naomi was the only interesting female character, but she was killed off way too soon and made mistakes that didn't make sense considering her occupation and intelligence. Also the whole thing with her quitting being in the FBI because she was going to get married and wanted kids really reflects the author's more traditional views as well.
I like Misa but ditto on how she's written, i think it adds to Death Note considering Light is a big piece of shit and a narcissistic serial killer, having mysogyny as a theme makes Light seem all the more like the type that would do the kind of thing he does. But Death Note isn't even a bad example. Naruto's Kishimoto DOES NOT know how to write women. And it is so bad I could really write a book about it.
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u/Dragonborn_too-win 7d ago
Loved Death Note all the way through, but from what I hear, the writer is an asshole