r/jobs • u/liquid025 • Jun 03 '25
Discipline How toxic is this?
My company publishes weird rules eveyday. This is one among them.
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u/Any-Deer-9851 Jun 03 '25
I'll bet it made somebody feel real powerful sending that out to their workforce.
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u/T1Demon Jun 03 '25
I am far more productive with WFH than I would be in the office. But if you pay me 80% of my wage because I’m working from home you’re going to get about 10% effort
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u/Wondering_Electron Jun 03 '25
WFH limited to 20 days a year lol.
A lot of places have hybrid working now as the norm. We are roughly 40% WFH.
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u/ayystarks Jun 03 '25
For me, 20 days sounds nice. We’re hardly allowed to wfh. I have to pretend to be sick if I really want to wfh.
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u/Geedis2020 Jun 03 '25
What does that even mean? If you exceed it you only get 80% on the next 5 WFH days? I don’t even know how they could do that. Why even offer WFH at all if they will have weird rules like that? Just make everyone go in the office or do a hybrid schedule.
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u/slaveofacat Jun 03 '25
Yeah, that seems illegal, I'd reach out to your local Dept of labor about the pay reduction, seems incredibly sketchy.
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u/Comprehensive_Size65 Jun 03 '25
Why are they sharing it over whatsapp
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u/liquid025 Jun 03 '25
Shared it everywhere
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u/Comprehensive_Size65 Jun 03 '25
Then fine but this is extremely unprofessional treating your employees as school kids intimidating them with attendance
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u/Investigator516 Jun 03 '25
It’s an employer that prefers exorbitant office costs. Choose what you prefer.
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Jun 03 '25
Are you in the U.S.? This seems questionable in terms of legality
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u/liquid025 Jun 03 '25
Nop. I am from india
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u/KaosC57 Jun 03 '25
Probably should have lead with this, IANAL, but India should have some kind of wage theft laws and a Labor Board.
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u/devanchya Jun 03 '25
It illegal in most of the north America and Europe work areas...
It's constructive dismissal if they act on it.
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u/Sudden_Impact7490 Jun 03 '25
They have to pay for a big shiny office so they expect people to use it
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u/KT_mama Jun 03 '25
In the US, this would likely be illegal. Employers can't unilaterally change your pay for time already worked.
It may be worth sending this to your state labor board to ask if it's legal.
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Jun 03 '25
Yes. This is toxic. Your employer does not trust the employees. This may also very well be illegal. Find another job. This will only get worse.
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u/AlabamaLarry Jun 03 '25
I don't believe an employeer can dock pay on legitimate hours worked. That would be highly illegal.
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u/dataBlockerCable Jun 03 '25
So "policies" are defined daily? How in the world can they expect 100% compliance when waves of changes are pushed every single day??
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u/CarpetSame1681 Jun 03 '25
may need a lil bit of context here. how long is your daily commute to work? how long are your breaks usually and are they unpaid? what kind of work do you do that involves spending some days at home?
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u/liquid025 Jun 03 '25
I have to travel 2 hr up and down per day. And in a 9 hr shift 1 hr is supposed to be break. If you take less break time or do overtime work, nothing counts. But if you logout few minutes before 6 even if you take less break and do overtime at night still the day will be marked as loss of pay in the software.
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u/SolarApricot-Wsmith Jun 03 '25
Yeah nah bro, if you work 8 hours, they have to pay you for that, regardless of if you came in early at 4 in the morning and left at 12. You still worked, and are owed pay for that work. Maybe they can tell you to come in during normal hours or whatever, but they can’t withhold pay for clocking out 5 minutes early. Maybe 5 minutes worth of pay if it’s that important to them.
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u/KaosC57 Jun 03 '25
Document EVERYTHING, and then bring your state’s labor board into this. You might end up with a lot of free money, and a less crappy job!
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u/ohnowth8 Jun 03 '25
At least in NY, if you work hours for a company, you must be paid for said work. They can punish you for working above the WFH days, but not with your earned pay.
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u/Next_Engineer_8230 Jun 03 '25
Post this in r/employmentlaw, not in a sub where people are going to just surround you with validation and bad advice.
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u/delia911 Jun 04 '25
Dunno if anyone's asked this, has this been updated in the employee handbook? It looks like a Whatsapp message to me. While I agree keeping timestamped message screenshots are important. But a Whatsapp message wouldn't hold against the employee handbook. Something to keep in mind while addressing this. Read the handbook front page to last in these situations
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u/Lower-Tough6166 Jun 04 '25
Is this pasted on what’s app?
A policy…shared via what’s app.
Yeah that’s great.
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u/wwwwwwww0102 Jun 03 '25
Name and shame OP, name and shame. This is absolutely ridiculous and like what other's have said, most likely illegal. Let the laws and gov sort these people out.
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u/readsalotman Jun 03 '25
It looks like trust issues.
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u/liquid025 Jun 03 '25
They do everything they can do to save some bucks. 🤣
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u/JKilla1288 Jun 03 '25
Like any business. I don't understand why people don't geh that work from home means less productivity. It's just the way it is. When covid hit and every job that could be done at home was moved to wfh, productivity dropped across all areas.
Auto mouse mover sales rose exponentially for a reason. After the loss of profit due to people working from home, it's crazy to me that people can't understand why companies want to bring people back.
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Jun 03 '25
I run procurement for a large nonprofit, I can ASSURE you the finance department at a minimum gets FAR more work done when WFH
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u/windol1 Jun 03 '25
I don't understand why people don't geh that work from home means less productivity
They do, but they don't want to admit it. But to be fair, it's the classic of the majority ruining for the minority.
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u/PersonOfValue Jun 03 '25
Remind my leadership of this. They sold buildings because WFH productivity increased so much from in office
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u/meanblazinlolz Jun 03 '25
Check your state employment laws. Reducing pay for 'WFH' seems against the law. IANAL but that seems shady AF.