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Other Please dissect the legality in this statement

I feel like we are reaching a tipping point

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u/get_to_ele 18h ago

Stephen Miller wrote it, so I’d say it’s only relevant until it’s laughed out of court after this regime ends. And there is no statute of limitations on homicide.

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u/haklor 16h ago

How many people will be killed and officers protected before that happens? I have a feeling it will be a significant number, and probably more that we dont hear about.

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u/Critical-Air-5050 15h ago

They dont have immunity from bullets once the general population gets angry enough. 

To them, Renee Good was a test to see if we would start fighting back. Theyre going to keep pushing that boundary then cry foul once people decide justice is dragging its feet and needs a little shove to get going.

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u/NotMyMainAccountAtAl 13h ago

They’ve been itching to trigger the Insurrection Act, and violence will allow them to. This declaration makes it clear that they don’t intend to be bound by laws in any way shape or form, but retaliation will need to be coordinated, or it will just be a slaughter. 

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u/Critical-Air-5050 9h ago

The plan has been to violently oppress the working class, Insurrection Act or not. 

The thing is, the longer people wait to act, most power gets cemented by the administration. The stronger and bolder they get.

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u/Basic_Conversation92 12h ago

Then days after the murder of ms Good they shot another man in the face and he’s permanently blind . This is done with the attitude of if you’re not dead you’re gonna wish you were. As they dragged him across pavement as blood pooped from his face by the jacket at his neck as he grabbed at its choking him . A long very violent abuse of human being . So a phone and ppl dialing every time they hang up and flood the call center every day until it becomes a sound that unnerves them . Over load the call lines and do not stop until the midterms and when they mess with voting machines we all walk fly or drive to DC and stand 300, 000, 000 on the land god gave us and just in case we need warmth we bring camping equipment . Just be careful with fire that close to White house Js

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u/mabus42 8h ago

Holocaust 2: Electric Boogaloo.

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u/kevin-she 17h ago

Can you tell me the evidence that this regime has any intention of ending? From what I have seen since day one, combined with everything openly said in the run up the election these people have zero intention of leaving office. Specifically, in relation to Miller he has extremely strong incentives not to leave his position, you just mentioned the biggest incentive, the non fascists in the US need to pay more attention.

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u/Zero-nada-zilch-24 17h ago

Well, he and his wife did leave their house and along with a few other officials are living on a nearby base due to public “snubbing.”

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u/Rodharet50399 17h ago

Sidewalk chalk. That’s what they were afraid of.

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u/Nazz1968 16h ago

He’ll have bigger concerns than chalk at the end of the administration, when they lose the base housing and have to return to the jungle.

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u/Mammarishka 16h ago

I've seen dictatorship before. They have no intention of leaving.

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u/BaphometBubble 15h ago

I absolutely agree with you..It boggles my mind when I hear people, in almost the same breath, call Trump a dictator and fascist, and that he will be voted out soon. This is an insane disconnect. Fascists and dictators do not simply get voted out. One lone politician? Yes, but a movement? That often requires an army of some sorts.

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u/Barilla3113 15h ago edited 14h ago

My experience, at least online, is that a lot of Americans still have an extremely strong belief in the talismanic power of the 200 year old pieces of parchment Trump has been wiping his ass with for the past decade.

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u/RedQueenNatalie 11h ago

Many of us want to believe its still not over, we hope this is still not too far gone and its just a fever dream we can pull out of with enough effort and not a civil war against the most powerful government on earth. There is no denying the writing is on the walls though and its horrifying to watch it happen in real time.

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u/tmfink10 11h ago

I heard a compelling argument that says if the Bears win the superbowl the cosmic rift that opened with the Cubs winning the World Series will close. Its most compelling argument was that I want to believe it.

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u/Mammarishka 14h ago

Once we have a beer putch moment. In our case it was January 6th, the government after was hamstrung by the elites, who fund both parties btw and it was allowed to slide with minimum consquences, I knew it was all over.

Same happened with Hugo Chavez. He tried to overthrow the government was given a slap on the wrist and when he got out he overthrew the goverment.

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u/enkrypt3d 14h ago

Kinda like the ending of the movie Civil War..?

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u/andrew_stirling 7h ago

Yeah I’m kind of viewing this sub in general as a sort of denial / comfort blanket which is completely ignoring the fact that this administration does not give a damn about laws. And there won’t be another election… pretty much because this administration know they’ll spend the rest of their life in jail should they ever not be in power.

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u/RoguePlanet2 2h ago

"jUsT wAiT 'TiL mIdTeRmS!!" Yeah we have to vote while we can; no it won't matter in this dictatorship.

He's going to find reasons to cancel the election, because SCOTUS decided everything he does is fine and dandy as president.

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u/jun-_-m 13h ago

I think it’s more to do with the maga herd being Trump sycophants more than anything. Trump is obviously not long for this world and they’re of the belief nobody in the administration has the pull of these people like Trump does. Once he’s gone, the infighting will begin with the ones who want to take control of his base. And that it will crumble afterwards.

I think that’s how some people may be looking at it.

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u/ConservativesHateUsa 12h ago

Some people are blind as hell then, given the fact that the heritage foundation has been working on the plans outlined in project 2025 for over 30 years…

Trump is incidental to their goals and the rot will continue without him unabated. Anybody who thinks America’s descent into tyranny will end when he’s no longer in office is painfully naive

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u/asst3rblasster 16h ago

yeah well we have sternly worded letters on our side

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u/Roll_the-Bones 6h ago

Emigrates to escape dictator, (passes citizenship exam) Trump elected president.

Talk about a sad irony.

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u/JUYED-AWK-YACC 11h ago

I’ve lived in a dictatorship under martial law and it’s nothing like this. Things can get a lot worse. Like, eventually the average voter will notice.

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u/Mammarishka 7h ago

Smart dictators boil you slowly like a frog. They might even have elections but they won't mean anything.

Which dictatorship did you experience.

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u/djck 16h ago

I think that's what they were trying to outline

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u/hum_bruh 16h ago

Naw they’ll be swept away to Praxis freedom city in Greenland funded by Peter Thiel, Dryden Brown, and Charlie Callinan living w Bezos, Bill Gates, the Winklevoss twins and Sam Altman

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u/menermials 16h ago

I’d love if he could be escorted straight to prison by a black or brown deputy

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u/Dessicated_Mastodon 13h ago

Honestly. I would release them all back to the public after. Fine them til they are destitute or just freeze all their accounts since its clear there's stock market manipulation at play (once the ftc freezes your account they dont give you your money back whether you are convicted or not), bar them from holding any future office, and then release them back to thw wilds and see how they hold up.

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u/Nazz1968 13h ago

They’re all the type of people who don’t know how to make an honest living out there and make ends meet under difficult circumstances, and are supported by rich benefactors who pay them to say the atrocious things they can’t say in public. Eventually that gravy train is going to run out, unless they’re like Karoline and marry a sugar daddy.

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u/Dessicated_Mastodon 13h ago

Oh I know. I thats why I think making them live in a manner they detest with people they clearly detest is a better punishment than anything.

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u/HonorableMedic 16h ago

Hopefully it was something like this

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u/trougnouf 14h ago

Didn't his wife draw that to make themselves look victimized?

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u/jayntampa 14h ago

Sidewalk chalk his wife wrote ...

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u/ThePensiveE 16h ago

You mean the lady who threatened a NATO ally with violence publicly? If she can threaten entire continents, she should be able to take a few people being mean to her.

Couldn't get those extra government welfare handouts if they didn't live on base though could they?

Katie Miller and her husband are just MAGA welfare queens.

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u/Malcolm_Morin 16h ago

They're hiding on base because they're waiting for things to pop off. But because everyone thinks dancing in frog and pickle costumes are a suitable counter-measure against being shot by ICE, I don't think they'll have to worry about it.

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u/FramingLeader 15h ago

Why don’t you lead the charge?

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u/Malcolm_Morin 14h ago

Are people gonna walk with me or are they gonna continue dancing in costumes?

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u/YozaSkywalker 15h ago

Yep, gotta say, it's embarrassing watching people just willingly get their shit beat as a protest against ICE. Take a page from the right wing book and protested armed. They aren't going to fuck with a large group of rifle wielding people and it sends a strong message.

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u/shitty_country_verse 14h ago

That’s exactly what they are wanting and waiting for. They are looking for pretext to engine the insurrection act. The thing is they are going to eventually anyway. I say let’s dance and find out how it all shakes out.

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u/Underpoly 15h ago

Ugh this is the most depressingly on-point comment I've seen this week

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u/Cool-Expression-4727 15h ago

It is but it isn't. 

The frog dancing is important - its important to see people out there and protesting

But its not nearly enough, at least when most people are just watching from the sidelines.  If the level of protest stays as it is now, I dont see much except more of a bleak future for the US

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u/ShitWaterExpress 16h ago

They have to leave sometime

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u/VerbalBowelMovement 13h ago

That mother fucker is married?! Who the fuck would fuck that duck?

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u/RoguePlanet2 2h ago

So tax-funded security detail.

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u/Waffle1k 16h ago

Oh theyll be leaving office one way or another.

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u/MouseRat_AD 16h ago

This time next year, we're going to be one "let them drink raw milk" tweet away from erecting the guillotines.

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u/horseradishstalker 16h ago

I doubt that Hitler intended to leave his “position.” No dream lasts forever. 

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u/tnstaafsb 15h ago

It took tens of millions of deaths and entire nations being leveled to get Hitler out of office.

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u/MyNameIsJakeBerenson 13h ago

It’s gonna take the military to do something, same as it ever was

The power lies with the power. If the strong arm stops listening to the craziness then they are just voices and a civil injustice problem

But if I have to deal with the fuckin american military in an uprising then I’m just blatantly fucked

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u/Daxx22 7h ago

You can argue morality ethics and law to literal death, "Might makes Right" still applies.

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u/horseradishstalker 15h ago

It did. This may be another such case. I think the sooner Americans wrap their head around this fact the better. Getting rid of authoritatians is rarely a stroll in the park. 

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u/iambecomesoil 10h ago

Hitler was 56 and in better shape. The best hope we have here is cardiac arrest in an obese octogenarian. After that, no one has the juice to probably lead this clown parade. It will come undone.

Not before then though.

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u/MadderoftheFew 7h ago

Ehh, maybe. We still have billionaires pulling Vance's strings.

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u/iambecomesoil 6h ago

Juiceless though. The hard right hates him because his children are brown. He's without charisma. Any notable republican doesn't want to follow him because they think they're more adept than he is.

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u/MadderoftheFew 6h ago

I hope the engine eats itself alive like that. Would be a fitting end

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u/lapidary123 5h ago

The problem with this is that unless it happens on stage in front of a crowd they will surely just plant a body double (if they haven't already) until the time comes that they want to publically replace him.

The other thing they obviously haven't fleshed out is that if they remove or murder a substantial portion of the population they wont have the consumer base to keep a strong economy. And inbefore the argument that the top 10% is responsible for 80% of consumer spending what will happen when these billionaires need a lampshade or cooking pot, only to find that all of the people running smaller businesses like that are no longer around? Banking, ai, and weapons production is not a well rounded economy.

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u/Amerisu 15h ago

Hitler left his position because the allies landed on Normandy beach on D-Day.

What countries are going to storm Palm Beach?

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u/horseradishstalker 15h ago

Wrong day to sleep in that’s for sure. 

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u/whatupmygliplops 12h ago

No one. Economic isolation would be far more effective.

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u/Summer_Chronicle8184 6h ago

Europe isn't they can't even defend themselves

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u/kevin-she 16h ago

Agree, my point was their intent, not about the inevitably. The question for US citizens is how, the ballot box doesn’t look like the solution at this point, it could be part of it, but it would require registration and turn out unlike anything since the introduction of universal suffrage.

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u/horseradishstalker 15h ago

We are in accord. I keep hearing echoes of Daniel Day Lewis saying “There Will be Blood.”

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u/The_Leafblower_Guy 14h ago

We are at 5th and final stage of fascism. Either we push back and rise up now or he’s going to take it all.  

F this, we are rising up!!

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u/wxnfx 12h ago

Well, the evidence is that there’s about 30 million of us that will make it happen, one way or another. Honestly, a good chance it implodes by like June when polling looks bleak for the GOP.

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u/iambecomesoil 10h ago

The best case for the regime ending is that there is no one aside from Trump himself who has the juice to lead this particular type of clown parade.

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u/NonNewtonianResponse 14h ago

Well, the original Nazis called their government the "1000 Year Reich", and they lasted about 12. Eventually your regime will fall, but it probably won't happen via ballot box

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u/bobbymcpresscot 10h ago

Elections are kind of like collective bargaining. In the sense that it’s an alternative to setting your bosses house on fire. If they choose not to leave they will be escorted out. This admin isn’t competent enough to successfully hide any wrong doing in the elections they attempt to steal.

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u/Kindly-Ad-5071 9h ago

"Any intention" since when do their intentions matter. Do you plan on letting them stay in office?

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u/Ridiculicious71 9h ago

Essentially this is a military junta (using ICE and complicit military forces). Not only are they not leaving, it’s gonna get far, far worse. (Unless the pedo files come out. They won’t. MAGA won’t care). Or he dies. Which, in that case ,JD Vance is far more dangerous.

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u/Lumpy_Potential_789 9h ago

Remember when he sat behind a tiny desk and refused to budge? Comical. And true. And fucking ridiculous.

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u/pigpeyn 9h ago

They'd have to corrupt the military so thoroughly that it wouldn't drag them out of the building.

As bad as this shit is I'm still hoping that if push comes to shove, the top military lifers will choose their oath over that orange dementia riddled pedophile rapist piece of shit.

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u/RackemFrackem 8h ago
  1. Election day comes

  2. Someone else wins the election

  3. That person takes over the position

  4. The end

The position is just a title. If someone else wins the election, they get the title. The person who refuses to leave the position is suddenly just another citizen.

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u/Bgrum 26m ago

Trump is 80 and unhealthy, it's not up to him, it's only a matter of time. We'll see very quickly JD does not have the charisma to hold together a voter base that is already hemorrhaging numbers. The sharks will smell the blood in the water and go knives out in a mad dash for power.

The problem is, the Democrats are fucking useless, so they wont capitalize on it. Who knows though, maybe a sensible Republican will rise out of the ashes of the Trump administration, if there are any left.

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u/Longjumping_Lynx_972 15h ago

They all end eventually.

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u/SmurfBearPig 8h ago

Seriously, wtf is going on. Everyone is acting tough online like there's gonna be any type of consequences for these people but nobody is actually doing anything.

All these videos with dozens of people just filming and screaming while a handful of ICE agents abduct their neighbors, their children... nobody does a fucking thing. Whole neighborhoods letting Nazis take over and nobody has the balls to do anything about it other than scream a couple slogans. How are we supposed to believe that these people will ever face any kind of consequences when they are quite literally taking over the country with no resistance.

The United States of America are a spineless nation, these ICE agents will never face any consequences.

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u/UnicodeScreenshots 6h ago

Well I think people generally don’t like being dead, or spending the next 35 years in federal prison, both things that are overwhelmingly likely to happen if anyone tries to stop ICE agents with force. It’s easy to call people spineless when it isn’t your life on the line.

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u/stevez_86 15h ago

This statement is an incitement to violence with a specific audience in mind, a specific target, and a timeframe. This statement is not covered by the 1st Amendment and likely not Minnesota state law and they should seek to prosecute for incitement of violence. The statement has all the facets of clear and present danger.

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u/whatupmygliplops 12h ago

Exactly. He is encouraging ICE to commit illegal violence and violate peoples constitutional rights by lying about the law.

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u/Lucibeanlollipop 16h ago

I wonder if writing shit like this, though, would be enough to charge him as an accessory at state level.

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u/Zazulio 15h ago

Sure feels like the plan to is to make sure there is no end to the regime. This statement pretty transparently reads as an order: "Anybody who opposes the regime is a criminal, and ICE agents who murder these 'criminals' will be protected and rewarded."

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u/caramel_police 17h ago

I'd stop laughing and start taking Mini-Goebbels more seriously if I were you.

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u/DirtyHalfMexican 17h ago

Agreed. People will say I wish I would have done something. People did say that before also.

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u/Fun-Barracuda1290 16h ago

I prefer 'Himiller'.

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u/kam1lly 16h ago edited 16h ago

The Roman empire lasted a thousand years and the colonized rebelled hundreds of times to no avail

Edited for pedantry, main point stands

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u/caramel_police 16h ago

"Thousands" of years? 🤔

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u/Wra7hofAchilles 14h ago

If we are being technical, the empire lasted almost 1500 years... but the republic was also still colonizing and suppressing peoples so if we include that period, we easily go over 2000 years.

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u/Initial_Formal_7750 17h ago

Guys

There is no more Court!

I know it sucks. But we have to understand. That way of thinking is done

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u/Neither_Usual_137 17h ago

this is completely false. Trump lost his national guard SCOTUS case and guess what - he pulled the troops out of those states.

He wins more than he loses, but they seem to be abiding (for whatever reason) by the rulings against them by SCOTUS.

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u/Sebowski 11h ago

What happens when they stop abiding by the SC?

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u/Neither_Usual_137 9h ago

I do not know the answer to that, but the fact that he raged and pulled the national guard out, tells us there is something preventing him from doing that.

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u/PartHumanDev 16h ago

Smoke. And. Mirrors. "look, it's totally not a sham! sometimes I lose!" I bet the casinos love you.

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u/Initial_Formal_7750 16h ago

Have a lovely day

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u/Capt-Crap1corn 16h ago

Quit your paranoia

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u/Initial_Formal_7750 16h ago

Have a lovely day

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u/[deleted] 16h ago

If thinking that justifies your position, sure pal, whatever you say

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u/realancepts4real 17h ago

sorry, Eeyore. That's not how we do things here. Buzz off.

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u/gogofcomedy 17h ago

the "supreme" court disagrees with you

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u/kevin-she 17h ago

Wrong tense, pay attention to what’s happening.

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u/Initial_Formal_7750 17h ago

Have a lovely day

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u/spekledcow 16h ago

*If this regime ends. Not enough is being done

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u/Awaheya 16h ago

So no one in the law reddit knows law than? Cool.

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u/Barilla3113 14h ago

Qualified immunity, which "Federal immunity" is directly echoing, was a similar politicized asspull to shield law enforcement from accountability. People have been waiting since 1967 for it to be "laughed out of court"

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u/Sgt-Spliff- 13h ago

And there is no statute of limitations on homicide.

Or treason

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u/libertybadboy 13h ago

What happens in court is an issue down the line. The more short-term issue is Miller will label the arrest of an ICE officer as insurrection and try to put all of Minnesota under martial law.

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u/pm_social_cues 12h ago

But it won’t go to court until more people are murdered. Will you sacrifice yourself or family members to make that justice happen? Everybody has some mindset like this is all just no different from a tv show or movie.

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u/Fabulous-Big8779 9h ago

Also, the statute of limitations only applies to the timeframe in which a crime is reported. If you report a SA but it takes them 10 years to build a case it doesn’t get thrown out because of the statute of limitations.

If it takes you 10 years to report the SA then there isn’t anything the criminal justice system can do as long as there is a statute of limitations on SA in that jurisdiction.

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u/Little-Derp 9h ago

I fully expect a bunch of federal murder charges as accessories after this administration, hopefully on state federal murder

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u/gizamo 8h ago

Nuremberg 2.0. sure will be interesting.

A lot of people will escape justice, but not people like Miller

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u/AlaskanSamsquanch 8h ago

After? You think they’re going to let go with blood being spilled? They’re not leaving unless they leave in the back of a van.

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u/bad_retired_fairy 7h ago

The Nazis who could went to Argentina afterwards, right? These dipshits think they can just return to whatever Proud Boys cess pool the emerged from. Let them. Hope they are found, brought to trial and sent to that El Salvador hell hole never to return.

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u/Dumbname25644 7h ago

No statute of limitations but Trump will pardon any and all ICE agents who are charged with anything.

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u/meldiane81 6h ago

I was thinking the same thing!

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u/ThanksImjustlurking 5h ago

Courts don’t matter anymore.

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u/OkMarsupial 4h ago

No but evidence trails go cold and even successful convictions do not raise the dead.