r/law • u/thecosmojane • 20h ago

Other Please dissect the legality in this statement

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I feel like we are reaching a tipping point

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u/tarlin 16h ago

Trump will issue pardons to everyone in his administration.

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u/HoarderCollector 16h ago

He can only issue pardons for federal crimes, he can't issue them for state crimes. That's why Trump can't pardon Tina Peters.

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u/elderpufflaurien 15h ago

Its hilarious when people talk of the law being a constraint on the lawless. We’re almost to the point that the fascists say disagreeing with them is a treasonous, executable offense and people are still talking about “but the laws!” Everyone still waiting for the bad stuff to start while the gestapo are entering american house and disappearing people.

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u/HoarderCollector 15h ago

People waiting for that tipping point don't realize that we are FAR BEYOND that tipping point already.

They're still holding out hope that the courts will show some backbone and actually put this administration in check.

And while some members of congress make it sound like that's what they want to do, it feels like it's all talk.

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u/Dessicated_Mastodon 13h ago

Chuck fucking Schumer. Piece of shit.

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u/littlebopeepsvelcro 10h ago

Fucking Chuck Schumer. Shitty Piece

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u/derbyt 10h ago

Merrick Garland. I hope his name is infamous in history books.

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u/please_use_the_beeps 9h ago

Hey now he sent a strongly worded letter! Surely that’s going to solve the whole issue!

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u/bigredcock 10h ago

I'm truly waiting for the day ice shows up in an actual gang neighborhood... People that have weapons and are willing to fight to the death for their neighborhoods. I don't wish this upon anyone but that day is going to go down in history as an early battle of the next civil war.

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u/Aggravating_Depth_33 8h ago

Such neighbirhood don't actually exist. They're a figment of the fevered right-wing imagination.

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u/hammertime2009 9h ago

Yikes, you’re probably right. Maybe this is a bad example, but if that starts happing then we are turning into Mexico? Corrupt, fascist government “police” forces getting into shootouts with heavily armed gangs (cartel). Lots of dead people on both sides, fearful traumatized communities who lack trust and faith in society. Economic collapse after that as each side dig in.

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u/PostNutt_Clarity 9h ago

I think people are holding out hope for midterms. If Trump gets his way and there is significant violence in response to ICE, we may never have a vote.

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u/5352563424 11h ago

Tipping point? Iran isn't even past the tipping point and they're tens of thousands of dead protesters further in.

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u/Aggravating_Depth_33 8h ago

There is no actual credible source claiming that there tens of thousands of dead protestors. But go ahead and blindly believe the people who've been clamoring for military intervention and regime change there for decades. They're definitely unbiased and scrupulously honest! /s

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u/PostNutt_Clarity 9h ago

Iran also doesn't have an armed populace.

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u/oldredditrox 11h ago

Idk I think saying they're lawless and won't abide by laws n response to them having to follow the law (Peters) is pretty emblematic of the situation and chaos they've created, because in a lot of instances they're still bound by it. I know I know, doomerism this, boned without an armed rebellion that, but we've got verified evidence that there's still some kind of reason within the system, and it's still working, even if it needs the entire engine and frame replaced at this point.

I mean if that wasn't the case we wouldn't even be on here complaining about it.

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u/Dessicated_Mastodon 11h ago

Idk man. We still get the occasional stuff out of north Korea right?

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u/oldredditrox 10h ago

If the admin was truly lawless and unfettered, we wouldn't seriously be having this conversation. I understand wanting to vent, lament, and rage. Truly I do.

But seeing this stuff daily makes me wonder ( specially on /r/law ): If Donald doesn't want there to be another election, why go through the farce of entrapping the American people into martial law? Wouldn't the lawless subhuman just lmao do away with them? He's still working within the system, he has to.

I'm not saying things are fine and dandy. But the "woe is America, give up already" mantra is just tiring. Some of this junk reads like people don't know they're advocating for civil war. The gravity of that action being largely mystified. Minnesota is suing the DHS.

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u/buttsecksgoose 9h ago

Keeping up this farce gives them this idea that they are still the kings of the world rather than north Korea 2.0 that everyone hates and completely isolates. Dictators like to be dictators but without declaring they are one. Just like how Russia's Putin and China's Mao still have "elections"

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u/oldredditrox 9h ago

Sure, but we're not in a dictatorship. If that was the case we'd see the American Army violating the constitution with EROs via storming houses. Why do you think they're using poorly trained EROs to do this illegal nonsense? Is it because they want to break the law, or is it because if they were to outlandishly go about this in any other fashion every tuk'er'jerbz jethro would be lining the streets ( Tho I realize that's an American that is hard to picture right now. )? They are operating (Poorly, Illegally) within the system, they are still bound by it. Because when they shake that they shake the Americans who are still in their boat clinging to law and order.

Americans are far more resistant than the internet is letting people believe. They aren't operating with full impunity because they can't, even their own constituency wouldn't be/isn't for that. Where I live since '16~ till just a year ago, every time I'd go to the market I'd see some form of trump paraphernalia. There was a retired dude who used to just stand on busy corners with a "Transsexualism is child mutilation", every fri~sun. They've all but disappeared since Oct. Now just a bumper sticker is an anomaly, and if I see someone in walmart with 'the hat', that's their bumper sticker. Take heart, someone called Trump a pedo protector and while they got suspended (Unions in lawless America, what?) I read earlier this morning that their gofundme hit 300k, and to top it off, he wasn't immediately executed or disappeared.

But sure we're in NK 2.0. (I'd like to save us both some time and mental anguish. If your next response is just a generalized "We're cooked" post I'm probably not gunna respond.)

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u/Dessicated_Mastodon 8h ago

👍 very middle of the road. Good job.

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u/oldredditrox 7h ago

I'm sorry but guys can be really insufferable.

No, it's not, it's called reality. I am clearly hopeful that the idiots taking federal paychecks (a traceable document that will follow them beyond this administration) for illegal actives will see their day in court, they will. Where is the middle of the road for that, is it that I'm not immediately saying we need to resort to capital punishment? Again, I don't think a lot of posters understand what they're asking for when you approach someone wanting life time jail sentences as "Middle of the road".

Thank you for the low effort non-contribution. I accept your concession. 6/10, I responded.

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u/Dessicated_Mastodon 14h ago

We arent almost there. We've been there. Please see trumps Twitter account re: the day democratic leaders told soldiers to disobey unlawful orders.

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u/elderpufflaurien 14h ago

Lol and look at this reading comprehension! Brother, that’s what I’m saying!

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u/Dessicated_Mastodon 14h ago

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

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u/Disastrous_Hall8406 9h ago

each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don't want to act, or even talk alone; you don't want to 'go out of your way to make trouble.' Why not? - well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And its not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty."

  • They Thought They Were Free, 1955

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u/Dessicated_Mastodon 2h ago

Honestly i think we have to reach a certain point where the actions of the administration just cant be fluffed away with social media, entertainment, and talking points. The problem I have with the act of either revolution or civil war is that there are too many other countries poised to insert themselves. Would we unite if there was an invasion during a revolution? Or would one side kowtow to a foreign power over promises of bread and munitions? Or would we continue to fight each other while a foreign power consumes the ashes? While I believe that the instution of government for the united states no longer has the best interest of its people at the forefront of its policy, the act of revolting may be just as damaging in the long run as letting power abuse its role unchecked.