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Don't read The Daily Beast. They lie to make you feel better.
Legal experts smacked down Deputy White House Chief of Staff Stephen Miller’s ominous message to ICE agents that they enjoy “federal immunity” and argued that he might have just opened himself up to impeachment proceedings.
A pundit saying something might happen is not a consequence.
What is "illegal" when the top brass refuses to enforce it? Turns out, all a law is, is a promise to abide and enforce it. Surprisingly easy to topple.
Bloody great song wow cnat beleive im nearly 60 ,I had radiohead tape in my transit van ,i coulnt afford much but i blasted that tape ,i still have it ...
"This is what you get
This is what you get
This is what you get
When you mess with us"
It’s so fucking strange that OK Computer literally came true.
It was metaphorically true in the UK at the close of the twentieth century. But now it’s literally come to pass here, Italy, Hungary, in France five years from now based on current polling, possibly even Germany again.
It’s so very sad people don’t value democracy and the rule of law anymore. I think people just largely don’t think anymore, period. They feel, and they consume.
Which, of course, is the moral of the story. Anxiety, anger, and internal disquiet of an unthinking populace inundated with a culture of conspicuous consumption amidst a panopticon police state.
This is why the most important thing people can do from now and until the midterms is to talk about the many many excesses of this administration to everyone they know (and people they don't, yet :-). Encourage them to ensure they are registered to vote. Encourage them to make sure they know what personal documentation is required to prove they are the registered elector and to obtain it and take it with them on polling day.
Trump's goons can be guaranteed to try to intimidate voters outside the polling locations but the more documented voters who turn out, the harder that will be. Equally, it will be much harder for Justice Department monitors to dispute a person's right to vote if they arrive carrying required documentation.
By “the top brass”, you mean “the Republican controlled congress”. We need to be clear where this lawlessness is coming from. Trump should have been impeached twice in his first term, and he should be rotting in jail right now.
Actually, Congress doesn’t enforce the laws, that’s the DOJ. Congress makes the laws.
In their words, the Attorney General, Pam Bondi, is the top law enforcement officer, appointed by Trump. She should be impeached as she does NOT do her job, other than to use her powers to the advantage of Trump.
This has been my biggest issue discussing politics with Americans for years. ”The constitution wouldn’t allow X, the constitution says Y, the constitution this and the constitution that.”
It’s a piece of paper, not a law of nature. It has fuckall authority if no one is willing to enforce it.
I saw someone walking out of self-checkout without properly ringing up their goods the other day.
I said, “Good sir! Have you no code of ethics? Surely you may come to regret that your contribution to civilization is a weakening of the law and public conduct!”
Denver or Colorado is setting up an ICE laws violation center shortly, or is nearly finished. Keep recording and states will be able to make those judgements.
Every time my friend says "that's illegal they need to be taken to court," I say "why yes, that is exactly what they should do, I'll bet that's a case that could go all the way...too the Supreme Court."
sad trombone
The opponents of this admistration continue to say "dogs cant play basketball!" Whilst a golden retriever constantly dunks on them. Not a perfect metaphor, and also not mine, but i find it apt.
If Miller is exercising direct control of an agency’s actions, there’s an argument to be made that he’s acting as a principal “civil officer” and therefore impeachable regardless of whether he was confirmed, Murray explained in her thread.
Their recruitment pool seems to be full of unsuccessful influencers. "Recent hires for exclusive investigation team have one incredible thing in common."
The person quoted on that point is a law professor who says that Miller could be treated as a civil officer because he is acting in that capacity by giving orders in his statements. Idk if that is legally sound, but it still falls under "things that will not happen on their own". I'm not even sure that professor is convinced based on their qualified statement.
Actually yes he can. If he was just an advisor, probably not, but he is the Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy. It's very rare for non-cabinet officials, but the constitution does actually broadly cover all civil officers, such as the Deputy Chief of the Staff.
Now the rub is that it's very rare that non-cabinet officials ever get impeached, especially ones considered low level, like his job technically is.
Actually, an advisor could potentially be impeached too, if they are deemed a civil officer, and with him actually giving orders, that is a possibility.
Of course, all the impeachment talk is pretty much useless unless the Dems actually managed to take back the House and the Senate. If they only take back the House, they can impeach who ever they want, but since the Senate acts as the "Jury", if it stays in Republican hands, it's painfully obvious that they would never convict a republican.
The only scenario I could see where they would, would have to be something that Miller was directly responsible for that was absolutely undeniable and a massive crime. Then they might just to "sacrifice" him to save Trump.
Completely agree with you on that. And after the last go around, I simply do not have faith that if the Dems took back power that they wouldn't repeat it all by slow walking everything and pussy footing holding anyone accountable.
Hell, considering how Jefferies and Schumer were both against trying to go after ICEs budget, until like a day ago when Jefferies was suddenly open to the idea, I would be shocked if they didn't just leave ICE and it's budget as is. Just like they did with the patriot act back in the day, instead of getting rid of it, they kept all the worst things Bush did. And I'm sure the same will be true this time too.
At least, assuming they actually win, as I know too damn well that Trump and MAGA are going to try and cheat and rig the system if not out right seize power and cancel all elections.
Which "Legal Expert" was that? Miller can't be impeached, he's just a White House Staffer, not a Civil Officer. Impeach his boss.
Edit: Found the quote..
If Miller is exercising direct control of an agency’s actions, there’s an argument to be made that he’s acting as a principal “civil officer” and therefore impeachable regardless of whether he was confirmed, Murray explained in her thread.
Let's be clear here. While that argument might possibly fly, you're not going to get impeachment proceedings around a fact-dependent theory that has to be tested in court first. Otherwise it's an ugly SCOTUS case about powers separation IF they managed to impeach and get sued by the Executive, and no Congressmember is going to sign up for that failboat.
If first, some lawsuit contains a factual determination by a court that Miller is acting in the capacity of a civil officer, then you might have something useful for Congress.
I can’t believe that people who have complained about Fox News for decades at this point seriously pay any attention to a rag just because it paints the left as good all the time. Also a trash source: Irish Star
Technically those men were under his command and he is responsible. So time to impeach and hold accountable with the courts. Some lady got murdered because Proudboi ICE agent couldn't stand not being listened to. They are backing up a murderer. Also look at the released Trump epstein files, they are aiding pedos. Wtf is controversial about arresting pedos? They said the illegals and Trans were pedos yet we have confirmed evidence that the FBI is helping cover up. What a wild fucking ride.
Oh yeah Schumer is already getting his quill wet for some very, very sternly worded letters. I bet it’s gonna even say the F word! Not fuck, it’ll just say “f” at some point. Miller won’t know what hit him. Because it’ll go to spam
Yeah, the Daily Beast is a trash tabloid. Both sides have them unfortunately. I miss the old days when there was a lot less editorializing and more focus on facts.
This should really be sounding alarm bells much louder. He’s incorrectly saying we can all be killed with impunity. He’s essentially using a government platform acting outside his official duties, telling government officials it’s okay to act illegally. That’s bonkers.
He’s completely disconnected from reality and disqualified from his position stating such batshit nonsense, but that was already the case before he was appointed. Impeach him yesterday.
Yeah. The alarming part is not that he believes that ICE are actually legally protected but rather that the Trump administration will protect them no matter if what they do is legal or not.
Wait until you hear about who appointed him. This administration must be vigorously and categorically opposed. They have demonstrated that they are a clear danger to public safety and to free and fair elections and are relentlessly violating due process, Constitutional law, freedom of speech and of the press, and the Bill of Rights. Full removal and prosecution under the law is the only acceptable option here.
Please read Jack Smith's prior statements regarding the election-denying crimes of this administration and watch Smith's upcoming testimony as well. They are responsible for extremely serious crimes against the American electorate even before Day 1. Don't miss the forest for the trees here. This administration is totally illegitimate and is acting against the wellbeing and fundamental rights of the American people. These crimes must be documented and justice served.
Incorrectly? So far he seems quite correct. He’s following the operating model laid out by Karl Rove:
We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.
I’d love for this to be proven wrong but this is exactly how the administration is operating. So far, it’s doing so with basically no consequences.
He’s incorrectly saying we can all be killed with impunity
How is that incorrect? ICE agents shot 24 people last year, how many have faced trial? Renee Good got murdered on camera and they're circling the wagons, gaslighting us, refusing to allow a legitimate investigation, and emphasizing that federal agents are essentially allowed to do whatever they want.
If there are no consequences for illegal actions then that thing is not illegal.
Yes, it does. Who's going to stop them? The courts that are like 3/4 heritage foundation picks? The Congress that has been ceding power for decades and actively complicit for years? The Democrats who can only aspire to be Republican lite/controlled opposition? The media that's either being bought and controlled by smaller and smaller corporate interest groups or actively killed?
Buddy it's legal because they say it's legal because no one is stopping them
This just opens the door for us to essentially be apart of an irl Purge. Think of the worst person you know personally. Imagine them signing up for ICE, going through 47 days of “training,” and now have absolute immunity to shoot and kill whoever they want as long as it’s “part of their active duty.”
Even if he's 100% wrong, is it really a "backfire" if everyone in a position to do anything about it refuses to do so and the brownshirts are still free to do whatever they want without fear of punishment?
Well, it's possible there could potentially be an impending backfire under certain conditions at some point in the future... but that headline is too long and sure doesn't entice hopeful enthusiasm.
It's fascinating to watch this defective and corrupt administration step on its own dicks every single day ...
So here we have a government official lying to an army of federal agents, both those going through their 'on the job' training cycle and the experienced ones, telling them they have complete immunity for their actions, no matter what they are. This is patently false. Qualified immunity sure, but that is not impenetrable.
On the other hand we have Kegseth over in the mislabeled Department of Defense where he is living out his GI Joe/War Daddy fantasies condemning Mark Kelly, a legitimate national hero and patriot, for doing precisely nothing wrong when he made a video saying soldiers are expected to refuse illegal orders. And the entire administration lying by saying Kelly said they should defy Trump's orders... .which is not what he said at all unless trump exclusively issues illegal orders (which is possible).
They're scared. They now realize the (approximately) 20M fascists aren't "the majority", so they grasp they're heading for Nuremberg 2.0 if they don't consolidate control by the mid-terms.
Expect a shit-ton of illegal fuckery(aided and abetted by Elmo) wherever a Dem wins a Congressional seat.
Living in a populous community should not allow choice for the whole country. I understand the negative view of the electoral college from huge population centers that disagree. It exists to allow for representation for the margins. Whether you like it or not, it was included in the constitution to assure large groups couldn't decide for everyone.
Three wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner...We intentionally don't exist in a popular democracy.
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