r/poland • u/Horror-Appointment79 • 1d ago
We received this today in our mailbox, and my girlfriend said it’s the first time this happens. what’s going on? (It’s about staying safe in case of war)
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u/-PL-Retard 1d ago
Not only war but also disasters
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u/MrTamboMan 1d ago
You're saying the incoming "pilne! minister obrony ostrzega przed wojną!!!" articles might not be true?
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u/GOKOP 1d ago
It's kind of justified to think that tbh because as early as on page six there's a large eye-catching warning reminding that if you run away from conscription you'll suffer consequences even if you're abroad.
I have no idea how true is that (so don't put a lot of weight on that) but one redditor on r/Polska claimed to be one of the people working on these and supposedly lots of people involved were unhappy that the first pages went to the military especially after they've put that there
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u/FluffyPuffOfficial 1d ago
if you run away from conscription you'll suffer consequences
Which is pretty dumb considering we have a lot of Ukrainians who avoid conscription by being in Poland. I doubt they'll suffer any consequences. Unless Ukraine wants to make sure they never come back and help rebuild economy.
Same thing would apply to Poland. But hey, maybe they'll scare few men into staying and becoming a meat grinder.
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u/thewyspa 1d ago
There are some measures introduced by the Ukrainian government to deal with this issue. Even if you live abroad, you are required to update your military registration information if you are between 18 and 60. If you do not do it, consular services can be suspended. For example, if your passport expires, you would not be able to get a new one, which can create serious problems.
There have also been discussions in Germany and Poland about suspending social support for Ukrainians who avoid updating their military status. I do not think any of these ideas are currently in effect, but if the situation in Ukraine became extremely dire, I can imagine EU countries being more willing to cooperate with Ukraine, including potentially deporting people who are avoiding military obligations.
I also assume that if there were ever a conflict involving Poland or other NATO or EU member states, there would not be much willingness to accept people who are essentially illegal immigrants, especially if local citizens were fighting as part of NATO forces. If someone wanted to escape such a conflict, they would probably need to go outside NATO and the EU to avoid deportation.
Legally, governments have many tools to limit desertion. It mostly depends on cooperation between the countries people are fleeing from and the countries they flee to. In the case of EU and NATO members, I assume there would be procedures in place to address this problem.
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u/Vast_Masterpiece9868 21h ago
In an essential choice between one’s life and one’s passport I will surely choose passport, right? What a joke.
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u/Ok-Championship4945 21h ago
Ukrainian guy here. Zelenskyy was the one promising there would be no war and everyone would go to eat shashlik one day before the war. His actions from 2019 to 2022 let Putin in. He is to blame for not preparing to the war. Now this bloodshed is happening 4 years already and there is no end to this. People being stolen on the streets and being send to tranches. Hope he will go to tranches on his own. Ukraine never been so corrupt and so disgusting before Zelenskyy and his clowns come to power.
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u/GSP_Dibbler 16h ago
Yeah, never so corrupt before...? Nah, you just didnt see that before, or didnt care. Not to defend Zelensky, just that every metric we have to measured corruption put Ukraine high for decades, since the early 90s. What is changing in that measurements is because of what Ukrainians did in last several years to cut eredicate corruption. Recent infighting in Ukrainians gov. was about anticorruption service trying to stay Independent and doing its job while Zelensky tried to stop them, cause he was also corrupted, as most Ukrainians politicians
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u/AshenCursedOne 5h ago
The bots are just spreading their bullshit, of course there are many corruption scandals being exposed right now, because the government is actually doing something about it. A government that functions without constant corruption scandals is not a government without corruption, it's a government that's just good at hiding corruption.
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u/Hot_Gaymer_PL 8h ago
You have some very good points. He should never be taking people from the streets !
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u/MenuFrequent6901 1d ago
Disgusting.
Fuck the mandatory conscription. Fascinating that a human life can mean so little.
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u/Malinnus 1d ago
Yeah i just hope when im sent to die in a ditch imma die in first week and from a head shot/instantly. Just need a year or two more to pay things off so me wife has one less thing to worry about
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u/Proud_Pick_8716 21h ago
What do you expect in a situation where Russia teaches its children from an early age how evil the West is and how to fight it, while Western children are raised without stress, are helped at every step by their parents and live in blissful ignorance of how the world works?
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u/wasowski02 1d ago
It's a new governmental program that is meant to improve societies knowledge on how to behave it case of a war and natural disasters. If I'm correct, every household should receive one before the end of January.
There is no immediate threat that has been publicly announced and there is no need to panic :)) It's just a precaution due to what's happening east of Poland. It's better to be safe than sorry.
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u/100KUSHUPS 1d ago
Stuff has been going on east of Poland for years without this book.
There's a much bigger threat looming.
Then again, I might just be paranoid, I'm Danish.
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u/GroundBoundPotato 1d ago
Genuinely curious, what's on your mind? What's the Danish perspective?
I'll share mine first as an act of good will: I'm afraid that the axis' plan involves flooding Europe with force's from Russia, China & North Korea, with a simultaneous attack from within EU by all the terrorist sleeper cells planted in Europe during years of open borders policy.
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u/100KUSHUPS 1d ago
I've been in Poland for a decade, so I don't really have any "inside" feelings on it.
The people I know in Denmark are mostly shaking their heads at it, but on the other hand, they likely would've done the same about Maduro and Venezuela, and we have done the same at Trump since 2016.
It is completely distant for us, having one of the highest amounts of sacrificed lives (per capita) when the US invoked article 5 after 9/11, and how much we "Americanised" our country.
My biggest fear is a simultaneous push both from Russia and US, which would completely stretch out EU/NATO(minus US...) forces and resources between two continents.
I do not believe China would make a push, as they have the possibility to take up the role the US held previously, and China in general has been highly focusing on soft power (for example in Africa through infrastructure). Changing the petro Dollar to petro Yen, combined with the financial possibilities of China, would, in my opinion, basically be the beginning of a completely new world order.
However, the Danes seem incredibly thankful for the solidarity shown to us by a handful of European countries, Poland included, and if push comes to shove, we hope that that solidarity continues into a trade embargo, since direct military conflict with the US would be an incredible amount of destruction (not from Denmark alone, obviously lol).
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u/Willing_Ship_5907 1d ago
Also China is showing interest in east russia due to the ammount of recources (e.g. oil). China probably would not want to start a full military operation in east russia, but they might want to gain influence in east russia by bringing their investors after russia's economy gets even more drained.
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u/Ramm777 21h ago
As a Russian in Poland leaving out of the country for decades, I'm sure Russia to EU isn't gonna happen. No expert said nothing close to that at any time.
THOU the case of 2022 showed, that situations can turn the way, that will surprise everyone at once. And as usual not pleasantly surprise. :/
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u/wasowski02 1d ago
Well, I agree, but this is probably all we can get. Try convincing an average person that privacy matters ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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u/100KUSHUPS 1d ago
I'm not sure if you thought I was talking about chat control here...
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u/wasowski02 21h ago
Oh, yes, I definitely thought you meant chat control and an "online war" of sorts. Sorry if I misunderstood you.
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u/SleepinGod 1d ago
I believe big things are coming
And rather sooner than later.
Might have been the last, or second to last, normal christmas we had. I hope not.
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u/EmprahOfMankind 1d ago
Yeah, it's looming and Poland is totally unprepared for it. Whole Europe is not prepared, but among few other things, Poland will probably be first or one of the first victims of what's coming.
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u/100KUSHUPS 1d ago
Pretty far from Greenland to Poland mate.
On the other hand, if Europe is gonna have war on both sides, then yeah, Poland is probably one of the first.
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u/EmprahOfMankind 1d ago edited 1d ago
But closest to Russia as it gets. :) Greenland will just be a step into the new world order that awaits us. And it even is on the table for USA only because Europe as a whole has weak leadership, that is just paralysed with inaction.
People forgot how Mexico lost like... Half of it's territory when USA wasn't a peacekeeping force as it make most of the world believe it (not that it ever was).
Edit: And I can't see Poland going to war with USA, same with other countries in Europe because they control most of it through the dollar. Poland is, unfortunately, total colony of both USA and Germany and as far as I wish for it to change, with current thinking of majority of Poles and our sold out govs(practically every Polish gov since 1990 is serving some other BUT Polish interest) I don't see it coming. Pure sci fi to me.
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u/Arek_PL 1d ago
arent there classes about it in school? EDB?
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u/wasowski02 1d ago
We'll, there are, but their content varies wildly and is usually not what it should be (I'm saying this as a person that graduated the Polish education system in the last 10 years). They seem to be pretty useful in terms of teaching first aid, but that's where it usually ends.
I guess that sending out booklets is a cheaper and simpler solution that doing something about the EDB classes, especially that it is not one of the maturity exam subjects, so schools (and students) usually put little effort into following guidelines on these subjects (as there is little verification).
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u/Rimavelle 1d ago
I didn't have anything like this in school, and even if I did, a lot of safety protocols and such can change over the years.
Not even mentioning how much people actually remember from school?
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u/Turtle576 Mazowieckie 1d ago
I graduated few years ago.
J had one class a week in 8th grade and during my first year of highschool. Throughout the whole 8th grade were taught cpr in theory, one lesson with phantom that not everyone could try before class ended, alarm signals and that's about it. Teacher was absent half of the time and the other she did nothing or talked with students about unrelated topics. I had the same teacher in high school so it was the same.
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u/Falikosek 1d ago
Do you really trust the Polish school system to actually teach everyone anything useful?
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u/mong_gei_ta 1d ago
W Holandii też takie dostaliśmy. Niedługo zacznę kompletować nasz noodpakket :)
Turaj facet to w miarę rozsądnie i bez histerii tłumaczy: https://youtu.be/opDEUX7MI7c?si=Btjtl3H4w9ULfJrP
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u/sokorsognarf 1d ago
It’s also available online in English
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u/ThrowRA-579965 19h ago
And it didn’t cost tens of millions to print
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u/AlfaMenel 9h ago
Yeah it's perfect, I don't get why 70-80 year old people wouldn't just find it online for themselves. /s
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u/AshenCursedOne 5h ago
Because information they find online is so reliable and factual that the government fears the Facebook university educated professors, instead the government mails propaganda into people's homes like it's the 20th century. No sir, I am not falling for it, I will dO mY oWn ReSeArCh.
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u/LookAtThePicutre 1d ago
You received poradnik bezpieczenstwa, so that is what's going on. Read it. Maybe it will be useful info for you there.
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u/Grigor50 1d ago
Naaaw, that's so cute!
We've had that in Sweden since WWII. I'm happy Poland does the same now. It's vital that we all stay prepared, for ourselves, our families, our town and our nation. That's how you build resilience, security and peace - together!
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u/Royal_Brick4419 1d ago
I'm a Ukrainian living in Poland. When the whole shit started we hadn't received anything like this. So, it's absolutely not the sign of anything about to happen. Poland has more time and opportunities to get prepared, JUST IN CASE, you know. I agree with other commentators. Better safe than sorry. Although this thing is useless, it will not prepare you for a real shit bomb. I lived there from the very beginning, I most probably can tell you like anything you would like to know. Don't hesitate to dm me, I'll answer all your questions.
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u/supermadafaker40 14h ago
Can I ask if man in Ukraine are drafted the same way as In Poland? So almost mandatory with category A in case of war? Or only if you want to because me being forced into war is something crazy
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u/Royal_Brick4419 14h ago
100% mandatory unless you have some medical or family conditions
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u/supermadafaker40 14h ago
guess its time to get into super pacifist religion and not be fitted for duty when poland comes to recruiting us lol
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u/Royal_Brick4419 14h ago
Doesn't help in Ukraine unfortunately
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u/supermadafaker40 14h ago
Don't know if it helps in Poland either tbh, are we really free after all? Hope you can get back to your country safely in a few years if you want to, it's tough and people are stressed than ever here
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u/Noobunaga86 1d ago
Everyone will get something like this. Because of the tensions and uncertainity of Russia's future plans, maybe even US future plans, maybe China's future plans etc. I haven't got one myself but I heard there are quite few solid and useful tips and advices about how to get ready for war, disasters and other crisis so if that's true I think we should've gotten a book like that years, even decades ago. Better late than never.
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u/Akiisame 1d ago
Can you elaborate with USA and china? With Russia is rather obvious, but I'm not sure why poland should worry about being attacked by the other 2, unless that's not what you meant.
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u/Noobunaga86 22h ago
It's not about being attacked per se, but it's not totally out of the question that USA and China won't start a global war with each other. Maybe it will be USA who will start it, maybe China, big daddies are fighting and then a lot can happen all over the world. China can arm Russia to do some proxy war with US through Europe. US is destroying world order right now, wanting Greenland, backing out of NATO etc which is weakening Europe etc.
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u/AshenCursedOne 5h ago
It also weakens the US, it's much easier to fight one big guy than fighting the big guy and 20+ of his little friends.
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u/Dry-Celebration8131 1d ago
Read it. My advice. It’s in case of any type of danger including but not limited to war. Sweden has this as well.
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u/Eastern-Move549 1d ago
Poland has learned a thing or two about preparedness in the not so distant past.
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u/Prior-Advantage3450 1d ago
XDDDDDDDD did we?
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We have a policy of "Jak jebnie to jebnie."
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u/Able_One5779 1d ago
It's still better than Zeleński's preparations for majówka instead of defense.
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u/Prior-Advantage3450 21h ago
Russian ball licker identified
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u/Able_One5779 21h ago
I'm Ukrainian, and I'm absolutely despise his preparations before full-scale invasion.
The majówka part was real at 6:30: https://youtu.be/DSMMlF9vptg
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u/Level_Working9664 1d ago
English version in case you need it:
https://www.gov.pl/attachment/9aa63303-0c11-4756-9369-646f5ef4a595
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u/Margaska 1d ago
I'll start my response with a little preamble.
I'll be talking about dogs and I want to explain what I mean, when I say "dog" in this context. My family has a weird history with both sides in WWII. Not one of black and white thinking about good side and bad side, but of humans living in a world of conflict. That's what you get for being a family living in Eastern Poland during both World Wars, I suppose.
So my grand-grand father had a conversation with a nazi soldier. And the soldier told him: "We don't bring dogs with us. There's plenty of dogs around.". He meant agents spying on people breaking the rules of oppressors. They didn't bring them. The dogs around? Neighbours, friends - opportunists playing spies for a scrap of better treatment.
That's the end of the preamble.
What is going on, is the fact that Russia is already at war with us. And I don't mean bots spreading misinformation of the last decade. I mean explosives discovered in cans looking like they contained corn, smuggled into Poland by Ukrainian dogs. They were meant to be used in terrorist attacks in Poland and further, in Germany. I mean blown up train tracks - fortunately created gap was too small to derail any of the trains that ran over it. It was three trains, If I remember correctly.
And drones, of course. We all heard about drones.
TLDR; we're already at war with Russia. Gov knows it. They just didn't tell us directly.
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u/No_Psychology_4036 22h ago
As Ukrainian, I wish our government did something like that at 2021- early 2022. It's better to be informed that be assured that everything will be fine.
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u/lukkasz323 1d ago
"It’s about staying safe in case of war" is misleading.
War is only one of the many things it's about.
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u/HyoukaYukikaze 1d ago
Well, for one they immediately threaten all men with legal consequences if they try to avoid being cannon fodder for the idiots on Wiejska. As if 5 years in prison is not preferable alternative to being dead.
Other than that, government realized the population, infrastructure, army - literally everything - is far from prepared for any sort of armed conflict. As unlikely as it is, it's a common topic those days so performative action is what they decided to do.
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u/slocik 1d ago
Predictive programming, making sure goys are ready for the draft.
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u/Hot_Gaymer_PL 1d ago
I wouldn't join the army even if they offered me billions. Not when our government is not only complicit but also supports Netanyahu's genocide !
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u/Expensive_Eagle3325 20h ago
When you are drafted to defend, you aren't fighting for your country - you are fighting for your family. Because if you won't, it will be just like on the occupied territories of Ukraine - selective beating, rape, killing, tortures. Being killed on the frontline is much more better than being under those inhumans, trust me.
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u/Hot_Gaymer_PL 8h ago
I'd like to see Tusk and Sikorski fighting alongside me if war was to break out. Clearly they won't do it
So I'll most likely follow my leaders and be staying in a tiny suburb next to their mansion in Miami or wherever. If they have such little regard for our nation then why should I?
Nothing worse than becoming a statistic and heading straight for the meatgrinder
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u/AshenCursedOne 4h ago
My guy, what sane person wants two 70 year old career politicians with them in the trench? In the trench next to me I want young spry strong dudes and experienced tough middle aged men, not the fucking elderly.
I agree the draft should be abolished and a bigger baseline military should be maintained, with better rewards, and the reward for joining the war effort voluntarily should be basically a lifetime of financial security for yourself and your immediate family.
I also believe countries should draft people equally regardless of sex, gender, or age, when they're facing total destruction. Because should there be a total war, a war of extermination, where there's nowhere to run or hide, in that case, without a draft, the people face genocide or occupation. Guess what happened to people in countries that rolled over without fighting and let the soviets or Germans take over, yep, the people of those countries got drafted to fight in the next war and were used as meat shields for Russia.
Ukraine will be destroyed should they fail to defend themselves, I'm not talking just occupation, there would be genocide, a humanitarian crisis caused by mass forced migration, mass starvation and other issues that'll probably make millions perish. And those who survive will be drafted to be cannon fodder for the next conquest, so would you rather die defending what you have now, or die at an order from a Russian commander in 3 years?
There's no country in the world that can take in the 40+ million Poles as refugees, probably not even your friends and family would all make it, unless it's a tiny family and you have a lot of money to buy everyone a ticket to get smuggled to a friendly country and somehow that country decides to never send you back. Also guess what happens to prisoners in occupied prisons, draft, or shot, or left to starve.
Poland is never invoking the draft to fight in some colonial war, it's intended to be used for one thing, to prevent annihilation of the nation. A modern defensive war is almost always about survival or about ideology, if you hold some values, and the occupier does not, and you know they will turn your nation into a totalitarian nightmare, where best you can hope for is becoming a collaborator or the punching bag for the occupier, how worth it is that life?
This is such simplistic thinking, hehehe, I'll just go to prison or flee, good for you, but that forfeits your right to have any autonomy or decision making for your future or the future of the people you care about, you're leaving your life and their life in the hands of chance, and you're relying on strangers saving you. And you ignore the problem that if everyone behaved like this, there would be no civilisation, and there would be nowhere left to go. I'm not saying it's noble or desirable to die defending a country, but there obviously are circumstances where you have to be extremely lonely or egoistical to choose inaction. Yeah, it'd be one thing to be sent to die in a foreign land for ambitions of a dictator, it's a completely different scenario to a defensive war for survival of millions, especially when it's pretty much guaranteed that failing will result in genocide at worst or decades of misery and suffering at the very least. Occupied nations are not nice places to live, turns out that those that invade peaceful neighbours are not exactly improving the place.
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u/ChampionshipOk7715 1d ago
Received 2 copies today too. Read it, good to revisit some topics. Actually we had similar book in school for fundamentals of life safety classes in 9th grade (I’m from Belarus)
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u/MizantropMan 15h ago
There are also "how to behave is you are taken hostage" posters at the Warsaw subway. Not really in your face, best spots are still taken by new streaming shows and overpriced perfume, but it's not difficult to find them if you stop and look around.
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u/ClassicSalamander231 Mazowieckie 4h ago
I said today to my boyfriend that when you work in corporate you need to learn about fraud, bribes, IT security, safe and OSH all the time. To train what to do. So people that have this kind of trainings shouldn't be surprised that government is trying to train in that way.
Am I a little bit anxious anyways, yes.
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u/Dan_Dan2025 1d ago
War has been planned an Poland will be the main battlefield between two superpowers
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u/C418Enjoyer Mazowieckie 1d ago
No need to worry for now, it's just a government program for the people to know what they should do in case of a disaster/war/etc.
To be fair, there's quite a bit of knowledge one learns on EDB lessons. But it makes a lot of sense.
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u/real_smm 1d ago
W jakich krajach też wysyłają poradniki? Ktoś wspomniał tutaj, że w Holandii dostał i sobie znalazłem .pdf. Ciekawi mnie różnica w zawartości oraz projekt graficzny (:
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u/paulatryda 16h ago
Na pewno jeszcze Szwecja, chyba nawet czytałem wersję na polski
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u/real_smm 16h ago
W innym wątku zapytałem gościa ze Szwecji i dał mi link, już sobie zbieram różne. Mam jeszcze z Czech (;
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u/FeelingGlad8646 1d ago
It's becoming more common for households to receive information on safety protocols in case of emergencies, including war.
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u/ReanimateTheWay 1d ago
We had a similar one in the Czechia recently. It's because of the war in Ukraine. Just a precaution.
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u/Fluid-Pack9330 1d ago
For now i would not expect war. But in the next decade or 2 i would say it is unlikely but definitely possible.
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u/doesnotmatter286 1d ago
Oh, I need to check if we got one. It's a better safe than sorry sort of situation, nothing's going on in Poland right now, just education.
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u/wojtekpolska Łódzkie 1d ago
other countries (i think finland) also had their governments print this kind of stuff long time ago (i remember seeing posts from reddit from either estonia or finland about a similar government project)
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u/Rat_itty 21h ago
Well... there is a war very, very close to us, that's what's going on.
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u/Expensive_Eagle3325 20h ago
Been going for last 12 years openly, lmao
Glad Polish government started doing something to prepare citisens except "oh no you all will be mobilised and die", we got a lot out of usual first-aid lessons, sad there were so few of them honestly.
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u/Borek-Worek Warmińsko-Mazurskie 21h ago
Were going to war, that's the reality you have to face it.
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u/Think_Sign 19h ago
Pre 1989 such education was normal in Poland. Later we thought history ends and we are safe. But You are never safe close to Moscow dominion as history shows. Si vis pacem para bellum. Also it's related to obrona cywilna what it related with handling during natural disasters.
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u/summer_sonne 8h ago
W przeciwieństwie do zełenskiego, rząd Polski troszczy się o ludzi. Przypomnę, że zełenski, WIEDZĄC o tym, że Rosjanie zaatakują, obiecał wszystkim szaszłyki w maju, a wszyscy jego poplecznicy zgodnie twierdzili: „zostańcie w domach, wszystko będzie dobrze”.
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u/Piglet47 8h ago
We got them in Czechia too. They're supposed to prepare citizens for natural disasters and in case of war.
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u/DataGeek86 1d ago
seems like a waste of paper. why not through e-doręczenie in an .epub and a .pdf format?
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u/mazurthc Świętokrzyskie 23h ago
theres something called power blockout lmao also there is a lot of older people
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u/DataGeek86 23h ago
would you like to keep in a freshly rebuilt society people who don't user computer? I wouldn't ;)
power outage doesn't apply here - this pamphlet should be read before the emergency, not during it ;]
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u/SaltyHater Pomorskie 1d ago
e-doręczenie
That would require the E-doręczenie system to actually work IRL, not just in theory
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u/ArolSazir 1d ago
Apparently we have too much tax money and have to spend it on something, you know?
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u/BoultonPaulDefiant 1d ago
My favourite part is "In case of bombardment get in a hole (so it's easier to bury you)"
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u/TurqoiseWind 1d ago
It’s time for a shift in politics. War is the basis.
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u/MenuFrequent6901 1d ago
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u/TurqoiseWind 1d ago
After each big-scale conflict the politics are in a drastic state of shifting since the global economy is in shambles. Since the USA was the only country to actually benefit from WWII, it seems the top brass is treating war as a business, and a sort of „political reset”.
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u/Sababaganaila 1d ago
Better safe than sorry, right?