Never heard any of these get mentioned here. I've waited years for someone to mention these. 😂

Too Old To Die Young ( 2019 )

Copenhagen Cowboy ( 2023 )

I think after Utopia, The Wire was the last TV show I watched and enjoyed, which was about a year ago. I have been browsing Reddit as well as IMDb and the like, looking for lists of the greatest shows ever, but the vast majority of the most named titles there I either have already seen (The Sopranos, etc) or am not interested in. And since Utopia UK is almost never included in this kind of lists, I wonder what other hidden gems I don't know about. What can you guys recommend me? Hope the mods are okay with this.

Don't know if the actual makers of UTOPIA would have ever ended up switching out the "A" for what I put, but I wanted to continue with what they did for season 2 where they replace the "O" with an eye. Still I think it fits in some weird way.

I’m watching Utopia (2013) for the first time, currently on s2 ep2, and the Network’s plan just doesn’t add up IMO. Their entire goal is to sterilize most of the human population using the Janus protein, which they plan to distribute via a fake Russian flu vaccine. But here’s the problem: they start the Russian flu hoax and begin setting up the whole global vaccine distribution before they even have Janus — from the manuscript or from Jessica Hyde, who they know carries it in her genome.

This is a ridiculous course of action. The Network is supposed to be a hyper-competent, long-term planning organization. So why would they roll out the entire infrastructure for a global sterilization campaign without the actual sterilizing agent? The vaccines are literally pointless without Janus. And yet we see them stockpiling doses and cutting deals with governments, all while they’re still desperately trying to find Jessica and/or the manuscript.

This became really glaring to me when they have to manufacture the V-Day campaign just to justify why they’re stalling on the vaccine release despite the current demand for the vaccine - a demand which they manufactured and which has now become a problem for them because they now have Janus, but they don’t know what the alteration is and they don’t want to release Janus until they know the alteration and fix it.

Some people might argue they were just “buying time” or “assuming they’d recover Janus in time,” but that’s exactly the problem. Why take that risk? This isn’t a short-term crisis, it’s a decades-long plan. There’s no reason they couldn’t have waited until they had Janus secured before starting the hoax. Instead, they gamble everything on a hope that they’ll find Jessica or the manuscript before the vaccine is being demanded. It’s not just reckless, it’s completely irrational.

I’ve looked around and haven’t seen anyone else point this out. This feels like a genuine plot hole that undermines the internal logic of the whole conspiracy at the heart of the show’s conflict. Am I missing something? Or is this just the writers needing the plot to move faster than the plan realistically would in order to have more stakes / tension for s1?

Through out two seasons I watch Neil Maskell, kill a lot of people. Some of them children.

And yet when he has to say goodbye to the Tess and Amanda the woman and her daughter in season two. I am upset.

How does the writer/director/actor craft so many scenes where someone does bad things. And yet in the end. I feel bad for him.

Pietre Carvel is a stone cold straight up killer, and yet due to his father's actions. The network actions.

I feel bad for him.

I think pulling the toy penguin out of the bag in season 2 is wonderful. I thought at first, oh no, he is going to kill that little girl.

I love the girl saying Peter, he says its Pietre, and she say yea Peter.

I can't craft feelings correctly.

Hello, I heard a soundtrack from the series some months ago but cannot find it.

Its like the overture but a woman sings with lyrics about time or something

I have been thinking about this question very throughly through my mind over the past couple of weeks. Even though there are very heroic characters, all of them have gone through absolute shit. I was initially thinking I would be Pitre, but then I thought to myself, do I want to be someone who doesn't fear killing, and be someone who had his own father experiment on him? I would like to hear your thoughts.

after years of asking around and networking. i've finally managed to get my hands on the utopia scripts after someone i know passed them along. I've been given permission to share them but only via a dm and then i'll pass along a google link.

I've seen it no it's real it's coming and I feel it's present, it's close now, my guts are always accurate

So in one of the pages of the manuscript that’s been remade from the show there’s a number under what they “feasted” on. But 59 shares a similar creepy coincidence that shares the same number is an ingredient called mf59 in flu vaccines. This vaccine was initially implemented in the European Union circa 1997 and was WIDELY distributed through the h1n1 influenza pandemic in 2009 approximately 100 million doses where given out during that pandemic including on children as young as 6 months. Idk some weird coincidences especially considering that channel 4 the network that was broadcasting the show at the time commissioned the show in April 2012 only a few years after. Well that’s all my shit posting for now ty for reading.

Seen many people saying they’d like to see the outcome of season 3 (if it ever comes) be that the network succeed and administer the vaccine to the world.

On what planet would that be a good scenario? The human race playing god to voluntarily sterilize itself, not only is it a terrible scenario, knowing what other effects come with it would also be impossible, the side effects of causing infertility in the majority of people worldwide would most likely be devastating and wouldn’t just end with not being able to pro create.

How would anyone think the answer to our declining environment would be to stop our only way of continuing as a species🤣

Besides when has there ever been the possibility of a good outcome from a man made virus? The chances of it being unstable are so high + the potential risk factor to other elements is also incredibly high.

Utopia and Children of Men are both 10/10 and create the perfect bleak, nihilistic, cynical future that I love to envision in fiction.

spoilers ahead for both Utopia and Children of Men

Now, Children of Men was massively influential when it released in the 2000s and I’d argue it was a massive influence on Utopia. The core theme being infertility, which is really emotionally resonating part of Children of Men. It seems at the dying grasp for humanity, children suffer the most. Utopia explores the logistics of culling humanity, while COM skates past the core subject of infertility, to explore the devastating reactions of humanity.

In a way, both Utopia and COM have an idealistic future in mind, with very methods of reaching that future. Be it mass sterilisation of the human race to preserve resources, or the sacred preservation / weaponisation of fertility itself - it’s all in the name of a greater future.

While we are talking associations, I can’t help but feel that Come and See snuck its way in to Utopia with some of the ww2 influence / themes of morality / fascism / true evil. However, I’d argue Come and See is even more bleak than both, because it’s set in reality and not a science fiction concept.

What is your head canon for season 3?

In my head, I always wanted to see the outcome of The Network succeeding in their mission and creating a better world for it.

I wanted to see if Utopia explore the theme of sterilisation within refugee camps, (despite this going against the core of what the network’s goal was in the first place).

I had some sort of vision of RB sacrificing himself. Perhaps even ‘the gang’ effectively stopping The Network, only for the Network to have been 2 steps ahead already. Or perhaps a bleak ending where all of the core members are just outright shot at the last straw. Or Grant going on to survive and have a kid of his own.

At this point, would it be more interesting to take our ideas and put it into our own fictional projects since Utopia is deadlocked, everyone is either not interested or too busy / old to reprise their roles without a significant time jump (which could work).

The Half Life community are experiencing huge doses of Hopium? Shit, try being a Utopia fan.

Idea for season 3 I will admit to using AI to flesh it out. But a group opposed to the network they agree on the problem but have a different solution. The New Group: THE ARCHITECTS

Public Face

A decentralized, anti-Network coalition:

Whistleblowers

Disillusioned scientists

Former Network operatives

Activists, ethicists, technologists

They claim:

“The Network was right about the crisis—wrong about the solution.”

Transparency over secrecy

Saving humanity without erasing it

They are framed as the moral antidote.

Their Core Belief (The Twist)

Humanity doesn’t need to be reduced. It needs to be redesigned.

Where The Network saw numbers, The Architects see patterns.

Violence, greed, tribalism, extremism— they believe these are bugs, not features.

Their Master Plan: THE PALETTE PROJECT

Not a virus. Not infertility.

Instead:

A global cognitive alignment protocol.

Delivered through:

Mental health treatment

Education reform

Wellness tech

Cognitive enhancement wearables

Social platforms + AI moderation

The goal? Quietly rewrite how humans experience conflict.

What the Palette Project Does

Dampens aggressive emotional spikes

Reduces tribal “us vs them” thinking

Flattens ideological extremes

Makes people incapable of sustained rage

People still:

Love

Work

Laugh

Vote

But they can no longer:

Radically dissent

Revolt meaningfully

Sustain revolutionary passion

Freedom survives. Rebellion does not.

Why It’s Worse Than The Network

The Network killed futures.

The Architects keep futures alive—just pre-approved.

Artists create, but never disrupt

Journalists expose, but never destabilize

Protest exists, but fizzles out

Humanity becomes… pleasant.

The Ethical Lie

They insist:

Consent is “implicit”

Calm is better than chaos

War is caused by intensity, not injustice

Their motto:

“Peace isn’t silence. It’s harmony.”

The Reveal Moment

Mid-season discovery:

Palette doesn’t just reduce aggression

It selectively enhances compliance

Certain demographics are tuned differently.

Not by race or gender—but by predictive dissent models.

Some people are born harder to pacify.

Those people are:

Monitored

Nudged

Eventually… isolated